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A.J. - 15 Feb 2005 15:19 GMT
I want with all my heart to bring Mother to my home from a nursing home
where my sibling has admitted her too. They are totally against my
doing this!! I am a retired 62 yr old LPN and I have a very supportive
husband & children. How often do family members care for family members
with dementia in their own homes?  A.J.
augustwestern - 15 Feb 2005 20:01 GMT
How often do family members care for family members
> with dementia in their own homes?  A.J.

5 yrs + here
Gwen Love - 15 Feb 2005 21:28 GMT
A.J., is the care in the nursing home good?  Is the NH clean and are the
attendants concerned for the patients?  If all that is the case, I would not
advise bringing her to your house.  Being a full time caregiver is very,
very hard, and it is also hard on families. Also, changes are hard on a
person with dementia. It has been done, but many times the caregiver dies
before the patient does because of the fatigue, the constant care of a
confused person, and the mental and emotional problems not only of the
patient but also of the caregiver.  You didn't say what caused the dementia.
Is there a diagnosis?
Gwen

> I want with all my heart to bring Mother to my home from a nursing home
> where my sibling has admitted her too. They are totally against my
> doing this!! I am a retired 62 yr old LPN and I have a very supportive
> husband & children. How often do family members care for family members
> with dementia in their own homes?  A.J.
Evelyn Ruut - 15 Feb 2005 21:52 GMT
> A.J., is the care in the nursing home good?  Is the NH clean and are the
> attendants concerned for the patients?  If all that is the case, I would
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> Is there a diagnosis?
> Gwen

Dear AJ,

I would tend to endorse what Gwen said.

People with alzheimers absolutely hate changes and find them very
unsettling.   If she is comfortable in the nursing home it could be harder
on her to move than to stay put.    You might try taking your mother for an
overnight once in a while, to see if you can handle it, but even that could
be unsettling to her.   They seem to thrive on routine and sameness.

I cared for my mother in law here at our home for three and a half years.
There were two of us, my husband and myself, we were retired and we had no
other responsibilities, just her.   It was grueling after a while, and we
were both exhausted from the 24 hour constant vigilance.   We agonized about
putting her in a nursing home even after all that time, because we really
thought we could stay the course till the end.

I never realized how exhausting and grueling it could be.   I also never
realized how it would get dealing with incontinence issues with a person who
had no understanding anymore, and who fell down all the time.  She got up a
few times every night to find the toilet, often falling down, not knowing
what time it was or where she was, getting lost getting back into her own
room, even.

Do your mother, your family and yourself a big favor and just go to see her
lots, take her to dinner lots, love her and participate in the nursing homes
support group, but let her stay where she is because she is safe there.

I applaud your intent, but I honestly think you don't know what it is like.
I do.
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Regards,
Evelyn

(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")

>> I want with all my heart to bring Mother to my home from a nursing home
>> where my sibling has admitted her too. They are totally against my
>> doing this!! I am a retired 62 yr old LPN and I have a very supportive
>> husband & children. How often do family members care for family members
>> with dementia in their own homes?  A.J.
Adelle - 15 Feb 2005 23:09 GMT
>> A.J., is the care in the nursing home good?  Is the NH clean and are the
>> attendants concerned for the patients?  If all that is the case, I would
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> I applaud your intent, but I honestly think you don't know what it is
> like. I do.

Dear A.J.,

Your heart is in the right place. We can tell that you love your mom and
think she should have home care so that she will feel loved. Perhaps you
feel it's a family duty and shameful to be having her in a nursing home.

How is your health? Your husband's? Your children's? Anyone else with
chronic illness? Anyone working full time? Anyone in school who couldn't
devote their full attention to care?

Taking care of a dementia patient 24/7 can best be done by a staff of
people, once the dementia has advanced. It takes shifts of people so teams
can lift or carry if need be. It takes rested staffers, not people who are
so exhausted by outside work plus physical care that they have little energy
left to just be loving family members. There are perhaps 4 to 6 of you? Is
everyone willing to pair up in daily shifts? No days off for one's own
illnesses. No vacations. Who will come over when someone grocery shops? Will
that person be willing to deal with incontinence issues (and not just
cleaning the loved one, but changing bedding. Perhaps dealing with wet or
soiled rugs or upholstered furniture because our Loved Ones with dementia
can't be guaranteed to stay on the blue pads.)?

How does your Mom deal with change? Not usually, but in her current stage of
dementia. Is she already at a stage where change in her schedule throws her
into behavioral issues? What medication is your mom on? Is she prone to
sundowning (not sleeping, just pacing and pacing)? Is she delusional at all?
If yes, how well are her delusions controlled or managed? How is her
balance? Has she hit the falling stage, yet? How is your home set up? Is it
crowded with furniture or very open with room for walker and wheelchair? Any
throw rugs?How about the bathing/toileting area - could it be set up for a
handicapped person? Is your house a ranch style, or would stairs need to be
negotiated to get from bed to bathroom/shower? Have you really thought this
through? All the issues?

My FIL passed away almost 4 years ago, now. He wound up in a NH because in
his dementia, when his meds weren't balanced right he became violent and was
a danger to my MIL. Are you prepared to deal with physical or chemical
restraints in your home if she develops behavioral issues? Do you live in an
area with quick 911 response should she become injured or ill?

We don't mean to putting down your good intentions and big heart. We just
want you to think about how perhaps your sibling made a decision based on
your mom's safety, and not out of any selfish desire to avoid the work of
care.

Go Google Evelyn Ruut's messages here on the group. The care she gave her
MIL was exceptional. She speaks from the trenches in a way many of us could
not, and with more compassion for her MIL than I could muster for my FIL
(truth be told). Go read some of her past posts where she chronicled the
state in which Ida lived until Evelyn and her husband scurried her off to
live with them. Read about the health and emotional issues - Evelyn was
quite clear and cogent.  Knowing how hard it is, we don't jump to the notion
that someone is acting selfishly if a caretaker puts a demented LO in a
nursing home. Unless sudden illness acts mercifully, a NH becomes the best
and safest place for someone with dementia, eventually.

Adelle
Lee - 15 Feb 2005 23:17 GMT
yikes.... now THERE'S something I've never once considered....  the whole
issue of access to 911....

thanks - I think

> >> A.J., is the care in the nursing home good?  Is the NH clean and are the
> >> attendants concerned for the patients?  If all that is the case, I would
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>
> Adelle
Evelyn Ruut - 16 Feb 2005 01:18 GMT
>>> A.J., is the care in the nursing home good?  Is the NH clean and are the
>>> attendants concerned for the patients?  If all that is the case, I would
[quoted text clipped - 100 lines]
>
> Adelle

Adelle thank you, you are too kind.

But you definitely told it like it is about the needs and pressures of home
care.

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Regards,
Evelyn

(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")

Dennis P. Harris - 16 Feb 2005 04:23 GMT
> Do your mother, your family and yourself a big favor and just go to see her
> lots, take her to dinner lots, love her and participate in the nursing homes
> support group, but let her stay where she is because she is safe there.
>
> I applaud your intent, but I honestly think you don't know what it is like.
> I do.

i echo what the others have said.  if you haven't had to care for
her 24/7 already, you have absolutely NO idea of what you'll be
getting into.  

WHY do you want to do this?  is is because you believe that
family care is better than what she'll get in a facility?
believe me, unless you have a very large family who are totally
dedicated to caring for grandma, it won't be.  the staff at the
facility works 8 hours and then can leave the problems at work
and come back fresh.  at home, you just just get more and more
exhausted as time goes on.

i only did it for a couple of weeks at a time, and that was more
than enough to convince me i couldn't do it and retain my sanity.
Glenfiddich - 16 Feb 2005 03:18 GMT
>I want with all my heart to bring Mother to my home from a nursing home
>where my sibling has admitted her too. They are totally against my
>doing this!! I am a retired 62 yr old LPN and I have a very supportive
>husband & children. How often do family members care for family members
>with dementia in their own homes?  A.J.

Very often - but also often at a significant cost to the family.
There will have to be someone on duty every minute your mother is
awake - and sleeping with one eye open all night.

One thing is definite - there _will_ come a time when even the most
committed family will be unable to provide the 24/7 care that your
mother will need.  
Professional, multi-person help will become essential at some stage.

Another factor is that she will become less and less aware that you
are family, so your relationship will mean nothing extra to her.

Please consider your mother's future very carefully.
Perhaps a different nursing home would be best for her.

However, if you decide to look after her yourselves, good luck and my
best wishes.   It can and has been done - I've been there (until the
loss of sleep got too much for me to cope with).

I just want to ask you all to enter this with your eyes wide open.
For instance, have you shown your family their duty rosters yet ?
Lesanne - 16 Feb 2005 13:14 GMT
I am an R.N., mostly lurk here but occasionally gather information. I care
for my Mom at home. From my heart, I will say that if you feel strongly
research indicates that you are not going to feel comfortable with your
Mom in the nursing home. The other side of the fence is, that you have
no real idea what it is like, until Mom is in your house. It is much more
difficult that I could have ever imagined, despite knowing a whole lot
about the situation. If I had a sibling who was against Mom being here
there would be no way in the world that she would be. Each and every
decision that I make would be ammunition for the dissatisfied sibling.
You can do a whole lot to make your Mom more comfortable in the
nursing home by advocating for her there, and visiting.

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Lesanne

>I want with all my heart to bring Mother to my home from a nursing home
> where my sibling has admitted her too. They are totally against my
> doing this!! I am a retired 62 yr old LPN and I have a very supportive
> husband & children. How often do family members care for family members
> with dementia in their own homes?  A.J.
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 16 Feb 2005 13:43 GMT
The way we looked at was that no one one could love my MIL like we
could, but loving her didn't mean we had to be the one changing her, or
feeding her - a lot of that comes down to exhausting and thankless
"scut" work, the custodial care that can lead to resentment.

Our job was to make sure she was well looked after by compassionate
caregivers (whatever combination of hired help, us, institutional care
worked as time went on), that we were there to hold her hand, to sit by
her, to bring whatever enrichment we could to her life, and to keep our
beady eyes on everything that was going on and trouble shoot.

We also had to carefully consider the needs of other people in our
lives, including our three young children. I could no more have looked
after them, worked full time, stayed married and taken my MIL into our
home all at the same time than flown to the moon. It's a romantic
notion that we can do everything for those we love, but not always a
practical or healthy one. We had to be flinty eyed realists about what
we could handle.

Incidentally, she lived for six years after diagnosis, with two of
those in the end stages unable to walk or do anything for herself. This
just isn't like cancer or other terminal illness where a family can
provide the equivalent of hospice care for a few months and the person
remains themselves. This can go on for years and years, increasingly
gruelling and thankless (i.e. the person doesn't know you, let alone
recognize the loving sacrifices involved). Very few of us would want
our children to take this kind of thing on beyond the middle stages of
AD.

Mary G.
Tumbleweed - 16 Feb 2005 18:27 GMT
>I want with all my heart to bring Mother to my home from a nursing home
> where my sibling has admitted her too. They are totally against my
> doing this!! I am a retired 62 yr old LPN and I have a very supportive
> husband & children. How often do family members care for family members
> with dementia in their own homes?  A.J.

Too often and for too long, often to the point of exhaustion and causing
medical problems to themselves, and family breakups.

I would ask yourself why did you retire? Job too hard? Too tiring and
physically demanding?
If so, would you go back to your job 24 x 365 with no time off? Ever? A
24-hour shift?

If not I would urge you try care for a couple of weeks on a temporary basis
so she doesnt lose the place in the home. Good homes are like gold dust. In
another 6 months or  year, when maybe you cannot cope any more, imagine if
she cant get back in and the alternative is a crappy place or your
exhaustion.  And dont expect respite from your sibling either. And say
goodbye to holidays, time with the kids, time for yourself, sleep, in short,
"a life".

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