Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Alzheimer's / February 2005
home care
|
|
Thread rating:  |
A.J. - 15 Feb 2005 15:19 GMT I want with all my heart to bring Mother to my home from a nursing home where my sibling has admitted her too. They are totally against my doing this!! I am a retired 62 yr old LPN and I have a very supportive husband & children. How often do family members care for family members with dementia in their own homes? A.J.
augustwestern - 15 Feb 2005 20:01 GMT How often do family members care for family members
> with dementia in their own homes? A.J. 5 yrs + here
Gwen Love - 15 Feb 2005 21:28 GMT A.J., is the care in the nursing home good? Is the NH clean and are the attendants concerned for the patients? If all that is the case, I would not advise bringing her to your house. Being a full time caregiver is very, very hard, and it is also hard on families. Also, changes are hard on a person with dementia. It has been done, but many times the caregiver dies before the patient does because of the fatigue, the constant care of a confused person, and the mental and emotional problems not only of the patient but also of the caregiver. You didn't say what caused the dementia. Is there a diagnosis? Gwen
> I want with all my heart to bring Mother to my home from a nursing home > where my sibling has admitted her too. They are totally against my > doing this!! I am a retired 62 yr old LPN and I have a very supportive > husband & children. How often do family members care for family members > with dementia in their own homes? A.J. Evelyn Ruut - 15 Feb 2005 21:52 GMT > A.J., is the care in the nursing home good? Is the NH clean and are the > attendants concerned for the patients? If all that is the case, I would [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Is there a diagnosis? > Gwen Dear AJ,
I would tend to endorse what Gwen said.
People with alzheimers absolutely hate changes and find them very unsettling. If she is comfortable in the nursing home it could be harder on her to move than to stay put. You might try taking your mother for an overnight once in a while, to see if you can handle it, but even that could be unsettling to her. They seem to thrive on routine and sameness.
I cared for my mother in law here at our home for three and a half years. There were two of us, my husband and myself, we were retired and we had no other responsibilities, just her. It was grueling after a while, and we were both exhausted from the 24 hour constant vigilance. We agonized about putting her in a nursing home even after all that time, because we really thought we could stay the course till the end.
I never realized how exhausting and grueling it could be. I also never realized how it would get dealing with incontinence issues with a person who had no understanding anymore, and who fell down all the time. She got up a few times every night to find the toilet, often falling down, not knowing what time it was or where she was, getting lost getting back into her own room, even.
Do your mother, your family and yourself a big favor and just go to see her lots, take her to dinner lots, love her and participate in the nursing homes support group, but let her stay where she is because she is safe there.
I applaud your intent, but I honestly think you don't know what it is like. I do.
 Signature Regards, Evelyn
(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")
>> I want with all my heart to bring Mother to my home from a nursing home >> where my sibling has admitted her too. They are totally against my >> doing this!! I am a retired 62 yr old LPN and I have a very supportive >> husband & children. How often do family members care for family members >> with dementia in their own homes? A.J. Adelle - 15 Feb 2005 23:09 GMT >> A.J., is the care in the nursing home good? Is the NH clean and are the >> attendants concerned for the patients? If all that is the case, I would [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > I applaud your intent, but I honestly think you don't know what it is > like. I do. Dear A.J.,
Your heart is in the right place. We can tell that you love your mom and think she should have home care so that she will feel loved. Perhaps you feel it's a family duty and shameful to be having her in a nursing home.
How is your health? Your husband's? Your children's? Anyone else with chronic illness? Anyone working full time? Anyone in school who couldn't devote their full attention to care?
Taking care of a dementia patient 24/7 can best be done by a staff of people, once the dementia has advanced. It takes shifts of people so teams can lift or carry if need be. It takes rested staffers, not people who are so exhausted by outside work plus physical care that they have little energy left to just be loving family members. There are perhaps 4 to 6 of you? Is everyone willing to pair up in daily shifts? No days off for one's own illnesses. No vacations. Who will come over when someone grocery shops? Will that person be willing to deal with incontinence issues (and not just cleaning the loved one, but changing bedding. Perhaps dealing with wet or soiled rugs or upholstered furniture because our Loved Ones with dementia can't be guaranteed to stay on the blue pads.)?
How does your Mom deal with change? Not usually, but in her current stage of dementia. Is she already at a stage where change in her schedule throws her into behavioral issues? What medication is your mom on? Is she prone to sundowning (not sleeping, just pacing and pacing)? Is she delusional at all? If yes, how well are her delusions controlled or managed? How is her balance? Has she hit the falling stage, yet? How is your home set up? Is it crowded with furniture or very open with room for walker and wheelchair? Any throw rugs?How about the bathing/toileting area - could it be set up for a handicapped person? Is your house a ranch style, or would stairs need to be negotiated to get from bed to bathroom/shower? Have you really thought this through? All the issues?
My FIL passed away almost 4 years ago, now. He wound up in a NH because in his dementia, when his meds weren't balanced right he became violent and was a danger to my MIL. Are you prepared to deal with physical or chemical restraints in your home if she develops behavioral issues? Do you live in an area with quick 911 response should she become injured or ill?
We don't mean to putting down your good intentions and big heart. We just want you to think about how perhaps your sibling made a decision based on your mom's safety, and not out of any selfish desire to avoid the work of care.
Go Google Evelyn Ruut's messages here on the group. The care she gave her MIL was exceptional. She speaks from the trenches in a way many of us could not, and with more compassion for her MIL than I could muster for my FIL (truth be told). Go read some of her past posts where she chronicled the state in which Ida lived until Evelyn and her husband scurried her off to live with them. Read about the health and emotional issues - Evelyn was quite clear and cogent. Knowing how hard it is, we don't jump to the notion that someone is acting selfishly if a caretaker puts a demented LO in a nursing home. Unless sudden illness acts mercifully, a NH becomes the best and safest place for someone with dementia, eventually.
Adelle
Lee - 15 Feb 2005 23:17 GMT yikes.... now THERE'S something I've never once considered.... the whole issue of access to 911....
thanks - I think
> >> A.J., is the care in the nursing home good? Is the NH clean and are the > >> attendants concerned for the patients? If all that is the case, I would [quoted text clipped - 98 lines] > > Adelle Evelyn Ruut - 16 Feb 2005 01:18 GMT >>> A.J., is the care in the nursing home good? Is the NH clean and are the >>> attendants concerned for the patients? If all that is the case, I would [quoted text clipped - 100 lines] > > Adelle Adelle thank you, you are too kind.
But you definitely told it like it is about the needs and pressures of home care.
 Signature Regards, Evelyn
(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")
Dennis P. Harris - 16 Feb 2005 04:23 GMT > Do your mother, your family and yourself a big favor and just go to see her > lots, take her to dinner lots, love her and participate in the nursing homes > support group, but let her stay where she is because she is safe there. > > I applaud your intent, but I honestly think you don't know what it is like. > I do. i echo what the others have said. if you haven't had to care for her 24/7 already, you have absolutely NO idea of what you'll be getting into.
WHY do you want to do this? is is because you believe that family care is better than what she'll get in a facility? believe me, unless you have a very large family who are totally dedicated to caring for grandma, it won't be. the staff at the facility works 8 hours and then can leave the problems at work and come back fresh. at home, you just just get more and more exhausted as time goes on.
i only did it for a couple of weeks at a time, and that was more than enough to convince me i couldn't do it and retain my sanity.
Glenfiddich - 16 Feb 2005 03:18 GMT >I want with all my heart to bring Mother to my home from a nursing home >where my sibling has admitted her too. They are totally against my >doing this!! I am a retired 62 yr old LPN and I have a very supportive >husband & children. How often do family members care for family members >with dementia in their own homes? A.J. Very often - but also often at a significant cost to the family. There will have to be someone on duty every minute your mother is awake - and sleeping with one eye open all night.
One thing is definite - there _will_ come a time when even the most committed family will be unable to provide the 24/7 care that your mother will need. Professional, multi-person help will become essential at some stage.
Another factor is that she will become less and less aware that you are family, so your relationship will mean nothing extra to her.
Please consider your mother's future very carefully. Perhaps a different nursing home would be best for her.
However, if you decide to look after her yourselves, good luck and my best wishes. It can and has been done - I've been there (until the loss of sleep got too much for me to cope with).
I just want to ask you all to enter this with your eyes wide open. For instance, have you shown your family their duty rosters yet ?
Lesanne - 16 Feb 2005 13:14 GMT I am an R.N., mostly lurk here but occasionally gather information. I care for my Mom at home. From my heart, I will say that if you feel strongly research indicates that you are not going to feel comfortable with your Mom in the nursing home. The other side of the fence is, that you have no real idea what it is like, until Mom is in your house. It is much more difficult that I could have ever imagined, despite knowing a whole lot about the situation. If I had a sibling who was against Mom being here there would be no way in the world that she would be. Each and every decision that I make would be ammunition for the dissatisfied sibling. You can do a whole lot to make your Mom more comfortable in the nursing home by advocating for her there, and visiting.
 Signature Lesanne
>I want with all my heart to bring Mother to my home from a nursing home > where my sibling has admitted her too. They are totally against my > doing this!! I am a retired 62 yr old LPN and I have a very supportive > husband & children. How often do family members care for family members > with dementia in their own homes? A.J. Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 16 Feb 2005 13:43 GMT The way we looked at was that no one one could love my MIL like we could, but loving her didn't mean we had to be the one changing her, or feeding her - a lot of that comes down to exhausting and thankless "scut" work, the custodial care that can lead to resentment.
Our job was to make sure she was well looked after by compassionate caregivers (whatever combination of hired help, us, institutional care worked as time went on), that we were there to hold her hand, to sit by her, to bring whatever enrichment we could to her life, and to keep our beady eyes on everything that was going on and trouble shoot.
We also had to carefully consider the needs of other people in our lives, including our three young children. I could no more have looked after them, worked full time, stayed married and taken my MIL into our home all at the same time than flown to the moon. It's a romantic notion that we can do everything for those we love, but not always a practical or healthy one. We had to be flinty eyed realists about what we could handle.
Incidentally, she lived for six years after diagnosis, with two of those in the end stages unable to walk or do anything for herself. This just isn't like cancer or other terminal illness where a family can provide the equivalent of hospice care for a few months and the person remains themselves. This can go on for years and years, increasingly gruelling and thankless (i.e. the person doesn't know you, let alone recognize the loving sacrifices involved). Very few of us would want our children to take this kind of thing on beyond the middle stages of AD.
Mary G.
Tumbleweed - 16 Feb 2005 18:27 GMT >I want with all my heart to bring Mother to my home from a nursing home > where my sibling has admitted her too. They are totally against my > doing this!! I am a retired 62 yr old LPN and I have a very supportive > husband & children. How often do family members care for family members > with dementia in their own homes? A.J. Too often and for too long, often to the point of exhaustion and causing medical problems to themselves, and family breakups.
I would ask yourself why did you retire? Job too hard? Too tiring and physically demanding? If so, would you go back to your job 24 x 365 with no time off? Ever? A 24-hour shift?
If not I would urge you try care for a couple of weeks on a temporary basis so she doesnt lose the place in the home. Good homes are like gold dust. In another 6 months or year, when maybe you cannot cope any more, imagine if she cant get back in and the alternative is a crappy place or your exhaustion. And dont expect respite from your sibling either. And say goodbye to holidays, time with the kids, time for yourself, sleep, in short, "a life".
 Signature Tumbleweed
email replies not necessary but to contact use; tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com
|
|
|