Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Alzheimer's / January 2005
Clearing of Artery blockages etc
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bibble babble - 23 Jan 2005 19:46 GMT Hi, my Father has alzheimers as well as frontal and peripheral lobe damage and while researching this and things to stop the blockage of the arteries that have caused the lobe damage I came across a site that I hope someone else may have heard off.
I didn't bookmark it as my mother came in and said since the lobe damage can't be reversed there is no point looking at that.
The site was about a doctor that was doing studies (on twins I think) and found that neither of them had much furring on any of their arteries that should be present in patients that age. On investigation he found a gene that caused the body to produce some hormone??? (or some chemical) that actually stripped the stuff off of the arteries, and when giving to mice that had blocked arteries it cleared them in a couple of weeks.
It did mention alzheimers on the site but can't remember in which context, but since then I have been thinking that for someone like me with a very sedentry life, unhelathy diet and nothing you could call exercise(I know, I know, I know) I thought that this would be somthing to remember for later if I need to have arteries cleared if I don't change my diet and lifestyle.
Does anyone have any idea of what I am talking about
Cheers
Tumbleweed - 23 Jan 2005 21:41 GMT > It did mention alzheimers on the site but can't remember in which context, > but since then I have been thinking that for someone like me with a very [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Cheers Yes, you are a lazy git hoping that science will fix you up when you are 240lbs and your brain is shrivelled up. It wont.
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bibble babble - 24 Jan 2005 09:16 GMT Well obviously from your reply science hasn't helped you and your brain continues to be restricted, this also appears to have effected your ability to respond in an intelligent manner, and only able to answer with abusive language (I personally don't like being referred to as a bastard). Your username of tumbleweed must refer to and describe your excessive weight and nature of the way to move around. Either that or it describes that there is nothing between your ears and this is all that people would see if looked in your ears.
My father used to like reminding me of the old adage: "It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and confirm it". Well Tumble weed has proved which camp they are in. (also to suggest that the brain shrivel up in an Alzheimers group is abit on the offensive side)
> Yes, you are a lazy git hoping that science will fix you up when you are > 240lbs and your brain is shrivelled up. > It wont. > email replies not necessary but to contact use; tumbleweednews@hotmail.com
But for those of us that are still not in that condition yet there is a serious point to this.
My father has this, my grandmother had a similar condition and we have found out my great Grandmother had some sort of dementia as well, so that is why I am looking for this information as there is "small chance" that there may be something in the gene line, it may be all coincidence, but I would rather check out other items first. It looks like that asking questions using a bit of humour is frowned upon and we must give our full family history and motives when asking a question.
Either that or some people are getting above there station and condemning and criticising people for asking questions, the reason for asking is the person asking not the responder.
So if anyone has any useful info it would be greatly apprecited Tumble weed FO
Anthony Shipley - 24 Jan 2005 10:03 GMT >So if anyone has any useful info it would be greatly apprecited Tumble weed >FO While not necessarily disagreeing with BB, a more preferable option is to use your news client's ability to blacklist those participants here whose message(s) you don't want to hear for whatever reason.
- Mod as a hooter!
bibble babble - 24 Jan 2005 23:21 GMT Anthony, yes, I could but I don't kill file people insult me I just write back and then move on, you never know when they may have something interesting and useful to say
>>So if anyone has any useful info it would be greatly apprecited Tumble >>weed [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > - > Mod as a hooter! Anthony Shipley - 24 Jan 2005 23:43 GMT >Anthony, yes, I could but I don't kill file people insult me I just write >back and then move on, you never know when they may have something >interesting and useful to say sh.t! I've got A.D. - don't think I'll be around that long :-)
- Mod as a hooter!
bibble babble - 25 Jan 2005 00:56 GMT :>)
>>Anthony, yes, I could but I don't kill file people insult me I just write >>back and then move on, you never know when they may have something [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > - > Mod as a hooter! Tumbleweed - 24 Jan 2005 12:09 GMT FWIW nowhere did I use the word 'bastard' and neither did I suggest that science would cure me, It was you who that suggested lying around on a sofa, not exercising, eating the wrong diet, and then looking for a chemical (aka scientific miracle cure) to make it all better.
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bibble babble - 24 Jan 2005 23:01 GMT From before 1300 a 'get' was what had been begotten, a child or offspring. By about 1500 it had started to be used in Scotland and northern England in the sense of misbegotten, a *******; from there it became a general term of abuse for a fool or idiot. By about 1700 'get' seems to have lapsed into slang or dialect, only to reappear in the wider language in the 1940's. James Joyce uses the older spelling (and meaning) in Ulysses in 1922: ?The bloody thicklugged sons of whores? gets!?
And not looking for a miracle cure, but details of a study done, I have this lovely possibility of a hereditry steam train coming at me and to that end was asking for information, how I ask is up to me I don't need to give my full family history and don't expect to be insulted in return.
> FWIW nowhere did I use the word 'bastard' and neither did I suggest that > science would cure me, It was you who that suggested lying around on a > sofa, not exercising, eating the wrong diet, and then looking for a > chemical (aka scientific miracle cure) to make it all better. Evelyn Ruut - 24 Jan 2005 12:28 GMT hold your horses, bibble babble. Tumbleweed assumed immediately as probably did all the other posters here, that you were some kind of scammer trying to sell some product here. We get a lot of that. Tumbleweed is a longtime poster here and a decent person, I assure you. We just get sick of miracle cures and the people who peddle them, trying to take advantage of sick people and those who care for them.
Let's start all over again. You might be better off mentioning your relative and concerns for her first before you talk about miracle cures, which there aren't any, by the way, but there are some meds that can help.
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(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")
> Well obviously from your reply science hasn't helped you and your brain > continues to be restricted, this also appears to have effected your [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > So if anyone has any useful info it would be greatly apprecited Tumble > weed FO bibble babble - 24 Jan 2005 23:16 GMT Sorry but someone insults me they get it right back
Original post Father has altzheimers Searching for info on peripheral lobe damage (caused by blockage of arteries) Mentioned a study, and as my post says it was also mentions alzheimers but can't remember in which context Yes I mentioned my sedentary life style, that still doesn't give anyone the right to insult me.
Where in my post did I try to sell something, try to declare a "miracle cure". I mentioned a real study even backed it up with some of the details of it hoping that anyone else had seen it.
I know I have a sedentary life style, and unhealthy diet. For the justification that appears to be needed to post and ask a question here it is
Ex Smoker, ceased 3 years ago but still using the gum up to last month, While beating the smoking habit, put all concentration onto that, including stuffing face, 2 stone to loose Now that the worst is past and have given the gum up now looking at making other changes Starting with shifting my diet to a healthier one, eating 2 portion of veg with each meal, and 3 pieces of fruit a day Next step is to exercise properly, once my knee has healed from ripping the tendons, popping the cartilage and dislocating the patella
Meanwhile arteries still have the damage done by the past 20 odd years of abuse so not looking for a miracle cure but information on a real study with real people and to look more into it because there is a good chance I will need it later.
I for one don't care if it classed as a scientific miracle at the end of the day, so was penacillan, smallpox and other drugs and treatments. There may be a genetic predisposition to dementia in the family with 3 direct descendants (which may just a blip and totally unrelated), but the thought of this while having to be sedated all the time to stop me beating the crap out of people because I don't have the frontal lobe to control my behaviour, walking around like a zombie because of the sedation required and is one more thing I would rather go without. So of course I am interested in any study that can help clear these arteries in the future. So suggest that others hold their horses and don't start arguments or insult people. If they don't like it, hangfire and don't reply.
If spam is a problem do what I do and almost everyone else I know - and they as well as myself being in IT (as a few posters here will also be so will know what I am on about) have tried all the tricks of the trade to beat spam on - ignore it, there is nothing you can do about it, don't reply, the original posters don't follow up so won't see any witty repartee or stinging comments, remember they send to thousands if not tens of thousands of addresses at once also using false sending details, take the cash and move on so won't come running back to see what people are saying, they don't care, they don't even know where they sent it to or if it got through spam filters or not on the way.
I'm sorry but if you look at this in the context of other areas of social interaction, the pub, club, round friends houses, if one insulted the other. Would you sit on the fence and let them insult you or would you tell the one insulting that they had overstepped the bounds of common courtesy.
I accept that you vouch that Tumbleweed is decent person, but I don't know her, just as she doesn't know me. I wrote what I thought was a polite post and only expect that back in return. If not then................
> hold your horses, bibble babble. Tumbleweed assumed immediately as > probably did all the other posters here, that you were some kind of [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >> So if anyone has any useful info it would be greatly apprecited Tumble >> weed FO
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