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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Alzheimer's / January 2005

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Clearing of Artery blockages etc

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bibble babble - 23 Jan 2005 19:46 GMT
Hi, my Father has alzheimers as well as frontal and peripheral lobe damage
and while researching this and things to stop the blockage of the arteries
that have caused the lobe damage I came across a site that I hope someone
else may have heard off.

I didn't bookmark it as my mother came in and said since the lobe damage
can't be reversed there is no point looking at that.

The site was about a doctor that was doing studies (on twins I think) and
found that neither of them had much furring on any of their arteries that
should be present in patients that age. On investigation he found a gene
that caused the body to produce some hormone??? (or some chemical) that
actually stripped the stuff off of the arteries, and when giving to mice
that had blocked arteries it cleared them in a couple of weeks.

It did mention alzheimers on the site but can't remember in which context,
but since then I have been thinking that for someone like me with a very
sedentry life, unhelathy diet and nothing you could call exercise(I know, I
know, I know) I thought that this would be somthing to remember for later if
I need to have arteries cleared if I don't change my diet and lifestyle.

Does anyone have any idea of what I am talking about

Cheers
Tumbleweed - 23 Jan 2005 21:41 GMT
> It did mention alzheimers on the site but can't remember in which context,
> but since then I have been thinking that for someone like me with a very
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> Cheers

Yes, you are a lazy git hoping that science will fix you up when you are
240lbs and your brain is shrivelled up.
It wont.

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tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com

bibble babble - 24 Jan 2005 09:16 GMT
Well obviously from your reply science hasn't helped you and your brain
continues to be restricted, this also appears to have effected your ability
to respond in an intelligent manner, and only able to answer with abusive
language (I personally don't like being referred to as a bastard). Your
username of tumbleweed must refer to and describe your excessive weight and
nature of the way to move around. Either that or it describes that there is
nothing between your ears and this is all that people would see if looked in
your ears.

My father used to like reminding me of the old adage: "It is better to keep
your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and confirm it". Well
Tumble weed has proved which camp they are in. (also to suggest that the
brain shrivel up in an Alzheimers group is abit on the offensive side)

> Yes, you are a lazy git hoping that science will fix you up when you are
> 240lbs and your brain is shrivelled up.
> It wont.
> email replies not necessary but to contact use;
tumbleweednews@hotmail.com

But for those of us that are still not in that condition yet there is a
serious point to this.

My father has this, my grandmother had a similar condition and we have found
out my great Grandmother had some sort of dementia as well, so that is why I
am looking for this information as there is "small chance" that there may be
something in the gene line, it may be all coincidence, but I would rather
check out other items first. It looks like that asking questions  using a
bit of humour is frowned upon and we must give our full family history and
motives when asking a question.

Either that or some people are getting above there station and condemning
and criticising people for asking questions, the reason for asking is the
person asking not the responder.

So if anyone has any useful info it would be greatly apprecited Tumble weed
FO
Anthony Shipley - 24 Jan 2005 10:03 GMT
>So if anyone has any useful info it would be greatly apprecited Tumble weed
>FO

While not necessarily disagreeing with BB, a more preferable option is to use
your news client's ability to blacklist those participants here whose message(s)
you don't want to hear for whatever reason.

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Mod as a hooter!
bibble babble - 24 Jan 2005 23:21 GMT
Anthony, yes, I could but I don't kill file people insult me I just write
back and then move on, you never know when they may have something
interesting and useful to say

>>So if anyone has any useful info it would be greatly apprecited Tumble
>>weed
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> Mod as a hooter!
Anthony Shipley - 24 Jan 2005 23:43 GMT
>Anthony, yes, I could but I don't kill file people insult me I just write
>back and then move on, you never know when they may have something
>interesting and useful to say

sh.t! I've got A.D. - don't think I'll be around that long :-)

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Mod as a hooter!
bibble babble - 25 Jan 2005 00:56 GMT
:>)

>>Anthony, yes, I could but I don't kill file people insult me I just write
>>back and then move on, you never know when they may have something
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> Mod as a hooter!
Tumbleweed - 24 Jan 2005 12:09 GMT
FWIW nowhere did I use the word  'bastard' and neither did I suggest that
science would cure me, It was you who that suggested lying around on a sofa,
not exercising, eating the wrong diet, and then looking for a chemical (aka
scientific miracle cure) to make it all better.

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bibble babble - 24 Jan 2005 23:01 GMT
From before 1300 a 'get' was what had been begotten, a child or offspring.
By about 1500 it had started to be used in Scotland and northern England in
the sense of misbegotten, a *******; from there it became a general term of
abuse for a fool or idiot. By about 1700 'get' seems to have lapsed into
slang or dialect, only to reappear in the wider language in the 1940's.
James Joyce uses the older spelling (and meaning) in Ulysses in 1922: ?The
bloody thicklugged sons of whores? gets!?

And not looking for a miracle cure, but details of a study done, I have this
lovely possibility of a hereditry steam train coming at me and to that end
was asking for information, how I ask is up to me I don't need to give my
full family history and don't expect to be insulted in return.

> FWIW nowhere did I use the word  'bastard' and neither did I suggest that
> science would cure me, It was you who that suggested lying around on a
> sofa, not exercising, eating the wrong diet, and then looking for a
> chemical (aka scientific miracle cure) to make it all better.
Evelyn Ruut - 24 Jan 2005 12:28 GMT
hold your horses, bibble babble.  Tumbleweed assumed immediately as probably
did all the other posters here, that you were some kind of scammer trying to
sell some product here.   We get a lot of that.   Tumbleweed is a longtime
poster here and a decent person, I assure you.   We just get sick of miracle
cures and the people who peddle them, trying to take advantage of sick
people and those who care for them.

Let's start all over again.   You might be better off mentioning your
relative and concerns for her first before you talk about miracle cures,
which there aren't any, by the way, but there are some meds that can help.

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Regards,
Evelyn

(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")

> Well obviously from your reply science hasn't helped you and your brain
> continues to be restricted, this also appears to have effected your
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> So if anyone has any useful info it would be greatly apprecited Tumble
> weed FO
bibble babble - 24 Jan 2005 23:16 GMT
Sorry but someone insults me they get it right back

Original post
Father has altzheimers
Searching for info on peripheral lobe damage (caused by blockage of
arteries)
Mentioned a study, and as my post says it was also mentions alzheimers but
can't remember in which context
Yes I mentioned my sedentary life style, that still doesn't give anyone the
right to insult me.

Where in my post did I try to sell something, try to declare a "miracle
cure". I mentioned a real study even backed it up with some of the details
of it hoping that anyone else had seen it.

I know I have a sedentary life style, and unhealthy diet. For the
justification that appears to be needed to post and ask a question here it
is

Ex Smoker, ceased 3 years ago but still using the gum up to last month,
While beating the smoking habit, put all concentration onto that, including
stuffing face, 2 stone to loose
Now that the worst is past and have given the gum up now looking at making
other changes
Starting with shifting my diet to a healthier one, eating 2 portion of veg
with each meal, and 3 pieces of fruit a day
Next step is to exercise properly, once my knee has healed from ripping the
tendons, popping the cartilage and dislocating the patella

Meanwhile arteries still have the damage done by the past 20 odd years of
abuse so not looking for a miracle cure but information on a real study with
real people and to look more into it because there is a good chance I will
need it later.

I for one don't care if it classed as a scientific miracle at the end of the
day, so was penacillan, smallpox and other drugs and treatments. There may
be a genetic predisposition to dementia in the family with 3 direct
descendants (which may just a blip and totally unrelated), but the thought
of this while having to be sedated all the time to stop me beating the crap
out of people because I don't have the frontal lobe to control my behaviour,
walking around like a zombie because of the sedation required and is one
more thing I would rather go without. So of course I am interested in any
study that can help clear these arteries in the future. So suggest that
others hold their horses and don't start arguments or insult people. If they
don't like it, hangfire and don't reply.

If spam is a problem do what I do and almost everyone else I know - and they
as well as myself being in IT (as a few posters here will also be so will
know what I am on about) have tried all the tricks of the trade to beat spam
on - ignore it, there is nothing you can do about it, don't reply, the
original posters don't follow up so won't see any witty repartee or stinging
comments, remember they send to thousands if not tens of thousands of
addresses at once also using false sending details, take the cash and move
on so won't come running back to see what people are saying, they don't
care, they don't even know where they sent it to or if it got through spam
filters or not on the way.

I'm sorry but if you look at this in the context of other areas of social
interaction, the pub, club, round friends houses, if one insulted the other.
Would you sit on the fence and let them insult you or would you tell the one
insulting that they had overstepped the bounds of common courtesy.

I accept that you vouch that Tumbleweed is decent person, but I don't know
her, just as she doesn't know me. I wrote what I thought was a polite post
and only expect that back in return. If not then................

> hold your horses, bibble babble.  Tumbleweed assumed immediately as
> probably did all the other posters here, that you were some kind of
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>> So if anyone has any useful info it would be greatly apprecited Tumble
>> weed FO
 
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