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Ginko biloba combined with Aricept and Namenda

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Feather Forestwalker - 10 Jan 2005 07:18 GMT
My client is on Aricept and Namenda (the latter twice a day). In
addition to this, she's been drinking a cup of "Think O2" tea, that has
ginko biloba in it.

I've been giving it to her with her meds twice a day consistently for a
little over a month now.

For the last two weeks, she's started to do some new things:

She's washing the dishes now, something she couldn't do before.

She's been making her bed every day.

She comes to me to show me that she has brushed her teeth or taken a
shower by herself; again, things she hasn't been doing on her own.

She even got the blow dryer out and dried her hair by herself, and then
unplugged it and tried to put it away again; though she was unsuccessful
in that, it's still amazing to me that she even thought to get it out
and blow dry her own hair.

There are still other areas where she has extreme problems, such as with
remembering dates, days of the week and cooking, but she is really
trying hard to improve; it's noticeable by not only myself and the other
caregiver, but also by ADS and MSSP, and when her family comes up I am
sure they will notice too.

She was so upset at the idea that we were going to the daycare program
on Thursday, she said, "Oh, it's not YOU, it's that PLACE. It's STUPID."

Hello, where did this sudden burst of clarity come from?

The MSSP (or is it MMSP? I forget) lady told me it was the ginko
combined with the meds and that there was some German study that proved
that regular, consistent use of ginko can actually reverse some cases of
Alzheimers.

Because I am exhausted as well as sore (I have a wrist problem), I am
not able at the moment to surf for the research.

Does anyone know if this study from Germany holds any water?

Thanks in advance,

Feather
Tumbleweed - 10 Jan 2005 07:37 GMT
> My client is on Aricept and Namenda (the latter twice a day). In addition
> to this, she's been drinking a cup of "Think O2" tea, that has ginko
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> Feather

Az patients can have also flashes of clarity for no known reason. My father
had one or two, he wasnt taking GB at that time, though he did take it at
others. Unfortunately anecdotal accounts are worthless, you need double
blind studies. And as far as I know, there have been very few if any of
those. A quick web search shows one trial (in germany) that lasted for only
a few months on just 20 people. Before memantine/namenda was approved there
were maybe 10-20 studies over several years on thousands of people.
Unfortunately its hard to see how such a study would be financed for GB
since its a generic medecine so no one compamny would benefit from such a
study. maybe an Az research charity?

On the other hand, AFAIK, its harmless so may as well give it a go.
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Evelyn Ruut - 10 Jan 2005 11:23 GMT
gingko biloba is a blood thinner.  it helps because it increases
circulation.

but, if a patient is on prescription blood thinners they should not take it
as it can conflict.   herbs are real medicines, not benign vegetable
material.    always find out before taking any herbs if they conflict with
existing meds.

if one is not on blood thinners, it might be a help.

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Evelyn

(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")

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>> My client is on Aricept and Namenda (the latter twice a day). In addition
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> On the other hand, AFAIK, its harmless so may as well give it a go.
Feather Forestwalker - 10 Jan 2005 20:41 GMT
> gingko biloba is a blood thinner.  it helps because it increases
> circulation.
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>
> if one is not on blood thinners, it might be a help.

No, she's not on any blood thinners. Just the Aricept, Namenda and
Doxepin, Vitamin E and Cod Liver Oil, as well as Fibercon.

The doctor she has is very abreast of what she's taking and has stated
that the Ginko won't hurt her.

Thanks for the info,

Feather
donnah - 10 Jan 2005 23:00 GMT
Feather, speaking from my own experience only...Vitamin E also acts as
a mild blood thinner. Under my physician's supervision, I take Gingko
and Vit E. For me, the combination works as my blood thinner instead
of regular meds. I had too many side effects from the prescription
drugs.
Of course, the amounts are probably different. But I would still be
cautious in combining the two...
JMO
donnah

>> gingko biloba is a blood thinner.  it helps because it increases
>> circulation.
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>
> Feather
Feather Forestwalker - 11 Jan 2005 03:30 GMT
> Feather, speaking from my own experience only...Vitamin E also acts as
> a mild blood thinner. Under my physician's supervision, I take Gingko
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> JMO
> donnah

Hey, thanks, Donnah! I appreciate that info MUCH. Her doctor, however,
says that since she, too, is not taking medication for thinning the
blood, that the amount of Vit E she is getting combined with the tea,
won't hurt her.

Thanks again,

Feather
donnah - 11 Jan 2005 13:04 GMT
Thanks, Feather...
So many physicians are not aware of herbs and supplements being
powerful things with their own side effects. As Evelyn pointed out,
they are not "candy" to be swallowed with abandon...they are
substances that can have many effects.
donnah

>> Feather, speaking from my own experience only...Vitamin E also acts
>> as a mild blood thinner. Under my physician's supervision, I take
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>
> Feather
Baird Stafford - 10 Jan 2005 18:17 GMT
> My client is on Aricept and Namenda (the latter twice a day). In
> addition to this, she's been drinking a cup of "Think O2" tea, that has
> ginko biloba in it.

<snip>

> The MSSP (or is it MMSP? I forget) lady told me it was the ginko
> combined with the meds and that there was some German study that proved
> that regular, consistent use of ginko can actually reverse some cases of
> Alzheimers.

To the best of my knowledge, Ginkgo biloba provides its benefit by
acting as a blood thinner - and one of the few drugs that will actually
get past the blood brain barrier.   The blood then carries extra oxygen
to the brain cells, thereby enabling them to function more efficiently.
It would seem possible, therefore, that the Aricept and Namenda might be
similarly effected - more reaches the brain and therefore the compounds
can work more efficiently.

As someone pointed out later in the thread, however, this is strictly
theorizing.  Double-blind studies (more than one!) would be required to
determine whether the combination of Ginkgo biloba with the two other
drugs actually improves the efficency of the latter.

Blessed be,
Baird
Dennis P. Harris - 11 Jan 2005 03:27 GMT
> The MSSP (or is it MMSP? I forget) lady told me it was the ginko
> combined with the meds and that there was some German study that proved
> that regular, consistent use of ginko can actually reverse some cases of
> Alzheimers.

you should ask her for proof, since many, many studies have shown
that gingko biloba does *nothing* for cognitive skills.  it does,
however, thin the blood.  if your client is already taking
aspirin or any kind of blood thinner, it would not be wise to
give her g.biloba.

as for the "study", who paid for it?  which peer reviewed medical
journal was it published in?  or was it a "study" paid for by
some supplement company?
Feather Forestwalker - 11 Jan 2005 03:32 GMT
>>The MSSP (or is it MMSP? I forget) lady told me it was the ginko
>>combined with the meds and that there was some German study that proved
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> journal was it published in?  or was it a "study" paid for by
> some supplement company?

As I said, I have no info and am not surfing because of a wrist problem;
it hurts even to type. So if someone else has this information, I would
be happy to simply have a clickable link.

If the woman from MSSP gives it to me, of course, I will post what I can
of it.

Thanks again,

Feather

PS. My client takes aspirin once in a while, not regularly. She's only
57 and has early-onset AZ.
 
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