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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Alzheimer's / February 2005Tsunami Computers
I came across this from some other n.g. and thought it worthwhile posting here in case it triggers some action/ideas from anybody else here. Seems to be a good idea (despite my initial fears about shipping costs). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TSUNAMI DISASTER EDUCATION APPEAL. I am organizing sending as many recycled PC's to the affected areas to replace the ones destroyed in the schools etc. This will help the long term goal of getting the villages and towns back to some sort of normality. At the time of writing i am hoping to ship in around 4 months, so around early April 2005. As well as PC's, software and I.T related equipment is needed, as well as funds to cover fuel & shipping costs to get the items to one location ready to have the software pre installed prior to surface shipping, i have local computer clubs ready to help do that, but i need help moving items that have been donated so far and for the many more i hope to get over the next 2 months. I am getting local media coverage which is a start, and i hope this will help further but here's what i need at the moment. Working PC's. Anything above 350-400 mhz would do, Monitors and spare parts, cables etc. Networking equipment and other I.T related hardware. Any around Sheffield / Yorkshire would make it easier to start off with which is where i am and the offers of help with hands on computer setup is at the moment. Cash. So far i have had offers of help from a local van hire firm, but i need to cover fuel costs. Some people have offered good items, but i need to cover postage. If a large amount of computers can be sourced further away then hopefully i can get cheap or discounted shipping, again which is why cash donations would be needed, A 40 foot container looks like costing around £1800. That can hold a lot of items, but other small costs are involved in setting up the items and getting them shipped. I have had firm offers of people willing to take time off work to help set up the computers on arrival, but i need to cover airfare, food and accommodation for a couple of people to oversee the arrival and setting up on arrival with the help of locals. Any amount of financial help is appreciated . This is a natural disaster that has affected the whole world, and this is about the only way i can give some positive help back for a change. These local towns and schools need to get back to a normal life as soon as possible. At the moment i am getting locations and the local language spoken information for where the items are to be sent, but i need to get the ball rolling NOW. I know this time of year many people do not have a lot of spare cash, or have given already, i know thats the same for me, so anything at all you can donate is taken with many thanks. I can be contacted on. (Sheffield) 0114 - 261 8314 Mobile -.07887973224 email - julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk Donations can be sent to Julian Hales 11 Lilac Road Wincobank Sheffield S5 6FU Please inc a email or Tel No. so i can confirm receipt of payment. What ever you can afford to give, no matter how small, or any other help is received with much thanks. - Mod as a hooter! I hope you all will forgive me for posting this to the wrong newsgroup. While I'm here, I wish you all the best for this new year. >I came across this from some other n.g. and thought it worthwhile posting here >in case it triggers some action/ideas from anybody else here. Seems to be a good >idea (despite my initial fears about shipping costs). - Mod as a hooter! And you expect the electricity to be on in all the places you think the computers will be used? Better to follow the advice of the professionals and send money to organizations such as the Red Cross. They can decide what's needed. Don't send your money to individuals, well intentioned as they may seem to be. > And you expect the electricity to be on in all the places you think the > computers will be used? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Don't send your money to individuals, well intentioned as they may seem > to be. Agreed. > > And you expect the electricity to be on in all the places you think the > > computers will be used? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Agreed. So what did you donate then? "Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:LJ4Dd.53179$48.19438@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk... > > > And you expect the electricity to be on in all the places you think the > > > computers will be used? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > So what did you donate then? The amount that I donated is none of your business Julian, and I'm curious as to why you feel it's relevant. What the previous poster and I are saying is that you need to be accountable when soliciting money. I think you will find you should have set up a bank account ("Tsunami Computer Fund" or similar) into which people's donations are deposited. To invite people to send money to you as an individual is leaving yourself wide open to possible fraud allegations. I take it you have obtained advice from Consumer Affairs ...? > "Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in > message news:LJ4Dd.53179$48.19438@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > The amount that I donated is none of your business Julian, and I'm curious > as to why you feel it's relevant. Did i say amount? did i say cash? no i didnt, im donating my time and effort in a field im good at to help the kids long term. > What the previous poster and I are saying is that you need to be accountable > when soliciting money. I think you will find you should have set up a bank > account ("Tsunami Computer Fund" or similar) into which people's donations > are deposited. To invite people to send money to you as an individual is > leaving yourself wide open to possible fraud allegations. Possible, but im honest enough and smart enought to keep records of what comes in gainst van hire fuel etc and anything left over will still goto them. > I take it you have obtained advice from Consumer Affairs ...? No, as its not my website, check the IP and reg if you dont belive me. > And you expect the electricity to be on in all the places you think the > computers will be used? no but i was thinking long term, you think they all live in wooden huts and drink from streams? > Better to follow the advice of the professionals and send money to > organizations such as the Red Cross. They can decide what's needed. I gave all i had > Don't send your money to individuals, well intentioned as they may seem > to be. So you calling me a thief? On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 06:16:14 GMT in alt.support.alzheimers, "Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > And you expect the electricity to be on in all the places you think the > > computers will be used? > no but i was thinking long term, you think they all live in wooden huts and > drink from streams? julian, i think that most folks here are better informed than that, but many news reports have said that it will take months and months to rebuild utilities, roads, and other infrastructure, which means that the somewhat reliable electricity that used to exist won't be restored in the near future. in addition, i don't think that we do 3rd world countries very many favors when we send them old 486 and sub-Ghx pentium computers, along with old out of date software. they don't need computers now to clog up their shipping; they need donations to charities already on the ground there so that they can make local decisions about what is needed, whether it's computers or to rebuild a school building or to purchase vanloads of bottled water. i'm sure your heart is in the right place, but you really need to ensure that there is someone at the other end *asking* for those computers before you put all the effort into collecting them that could be used for helping to obtain what they really need. and really, we've spent far too much bandwidth in the group on this OFF TOPIC subject. there's enough clutter here already. let's move this discussion to a newsgroup where it is on topic. >julian, i think that most folks here are better informed than >that, To be fair to Julian, it was I who [accidentally] started this thread. On the other hand, even a 286 can be used for email. I don't believe that sending old pcs is necessarily unwise albeit the shipping costs might rule it out anyway. - Mod as a hooter! > >julian, i think that most folks here are better informed than > >that, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > sending old pcs is necessarily unwise albeit the shipping costs might rule it > out anyway. the cost for a crate of 400 machines to be shipped works out at ?4 a machine, if i can get 400 and cover shipping, im hoping the tv, radio and local rags do there bit. I know a few more costs are involved, but its all i can do to help them, even long term > - > Mod as a hooter! > On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 06:16:14 GMT in alt.support.alzheimers, > "Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > many favors when we send them old 486 and sub-Ghx pentium > computers, along with old out of date software. All the PC's are quite high spec, for 2nd hand machines. and will easily run linux. worst machine is a 400mhz. I have within the last hour had a huge pallet of networking gear dropped off. > they don't need computers now to clog up their shipping; I didnt say now, im talking months down the road. they > need donations to charities already on the ground there so that > they can make local decisions about what is needed, whether it's > computers or to rebuild a school building or to purchase vanloads > of bottled water. I have no cash left, so helping how i can > i'm sure your heart is in the right place, but you really need to > ensure that there is someone at the other end *asking* for those > computers before you put all the effort into collecting them that > could be used for helping to obtain what they really need. Yes they want them, i checked out first. > and really, we've spent far too much bandwidth in the group on > this OFF TOPIC subject. there's enough clutter here already. > let's move this discussion to a newsgroup where it is on topic. Im done now, i always have to get the last word in, im stubborn and take after my granddad for that Julian, no one thinks the people involved are primitives; however, it must be taken into consideration that it could be months and months before those areas are capable of handling computer set-ups. Right now, it appears that other things are more important, such as clean water, food and medicine. Just about everyone is recommending that donations be made to organizations like the Red Cross, which have had experience with disasters. > Julian, no one thinks the people involved are primitives; however, it > must be taken into consideration that it could be months and months > before those areas are capable of handling computer set-ups. Yes, which is why i said i would be shipping in around 5 months. to arrive a month or 2 later, even delaying a month or 2 is possible but i have seen schools getting back up running already, my contacts out there say is most parts its about 6 months, some longer and some places never............... Right now, > it appears that other things are more important, such as clean water, > food and medicine. yes > Just about everyone is recommending that donations be made to > organizations like the Red Cross, which have had experience with > disasters. I approached a contact at my RC, i used to be a member years ago, he gave me another contacts and the RC guy said it was a great idea. Trying to help long term, i cant help further short term. I just want to do my bit. Had quite a few items deliverd so far! >And you expect the electricity to be on in all the places you think the >computers will be used? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Don't send your money to individuals, well intentioned as they may seem >to be. That's why I've got A.D. :-( - Mod as a hooter! I may be able to help, I work for a large media firm as a It consultant. Please contact me on pclarke@admagic.co.uk |
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