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Finding a Lost Cell Phone
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Robert E. Lewis - 23 Nov 2004 18:22 GMT This has been driving me crazy since yesterday; I know AD patients often misplace things in odd places, so I'm hoping against hope someone will have some ideas for finding it and helping keep Dad from losing it again.
I was out yesterday and when I phoned home my father started telling me he'd lost his cell phone. The cell phone is how he contacts me if I'm out -- he cannot remember my cell number to dial it from the phone, can't remember to use the speed-dial on his regular telephone or to luck up my number on the Rolodex on his desk (he can remember to use the regular phone speed-dialer to call his lady-friend, and the Rolodex to call the Old Geezer buddies he has lunch with twice a months, but he's got it in his head to call my cell phone he must call from his cell phone and there ain't no getting this out of his head).
At some point he must have been thinking of phoning me and he carried the phone off his desk and... gone. I tried the obvious approach of phoning the number, hoping to follow the ring back to the phone, but one of his recurring confusions is that instead of hanging up at the end of a phone call, he turns it off (when I bought him this cell phone more than a year ago, I especially picked almost identical to his old phone but with a not-so-obvious off button, but he's managed to find it and cement in his mind that pushing that button is the way to disconnect. So, it won't ring.
He can't tell me anything he was doing during this period where he might have had the phone in his hand. It was raining and he's having trouble walking anyway, so I believe him when he says he didn't go outside; I've checked all the usual suspects -- under sofa cushions, under his bed, on the floor around his desk, in the bathroom, etc. The last time he lost the cell phone, he had decided to move the little speaker for his computer system, put the phone on the shelf where the speaker had been -- then decided he wanted the speaker back in its old location and put it in front on the phone, so it's possible it's hidden behind something I'm unaware has been moved in months.
So... practical questions (assuming the damn' thing ever turns up): any tips on breaking him of the habit of turning the phone off instead of hanging it up? The location of the power button makes taping it over impractical, there's not much room for a label on it (everything in his room is labeled -- his computer, the TV, the place where he plugs in the stereo headphones, etc.)
And how to help him keep track of it? He has a nice holder for the phone, bought especially because it was always falling out of his shirt pocket, where he'd stuff it along with one or more pairs of eyeglasses (usually just before bending over to tie his shoe, whereupon they'd all fall out) -- but he doesn't use the holder except to hold the phone clipped on his desk -- he takes it out to carry it around.
My just taking over care of the phone isn't the answer, since the major purpose of the phone is to provide him with a way he remembers to reach me if I'm away from the house. When he was in the hospital I brought him his cell phone so he could call me -- he just wasn't able to manage it from the hospital phone (then when he checked out, he wanted to take the hospital's phone with him, thinking I'd brought it from home).
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Tumbleweed - 23 Nov 2004 19:22 GMT > This has been driving me crazy since yesterday; I know AD patients often > misplace things in odd places, so I'm hoping against hope someone will > have > some ideas for finding it and helping keep Dad from losing it again. > <snip> Robert
I think you are on a loser here. from reading here, nd IME, breaking a habit of an Az patient is impossible.
have you looked in the non obvious places..fridge, freezer, where the dirty linen goes, whatever?
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Gwen Love - 23 Nov 2004 20:04 GMT Robert, I can only sympathize. Sorry. Gwen
> > This has been driving me crazy since yesterday; I know AD patients often > > misplace things in odd places, so I'm hoping against hope someone will [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > have you looked in the non obvious places..fridge, freezer, where the dirty > linen goes, whatever? Stephen B - 24 Nov 2004 00:49 GMT >> This has been driving me crazy since yesterday; I know AD patients often >> misplace things in odd places, so I'm hoping against hope someone will [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >have you looked in the non obvious places..fridge, freezer, where the dirty >linen goes, whatever? I wish I could remember where I saw it, perhaps it was in the Sharper Image catalog recently, but it was a set of little transmitter/receivers for 5 devices that chirped when the base unit was pressed to locate one of the 5 "tagged" items. The ad mentioned using it on remotes, keys, and phones, among other things. I know I've seen similar cheap ones for "tracking" your car keys that attached to the keyring. Good luck to you. -steve
Tumbleweed - 24 Nov 2004 01:44 GMT >>> This has been driving me crazy since yesterday; I know AD patients often >>> misplace things in odd places, so I'm hoping against hope someone will [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Good luck to you. > -steve I need one of those :-)
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Robert E. Lewis - 24 Nov 2004 16:42 GMT > > This has been driving me crazy since yesterday; I know AD patients often > > misplace things in odd places, so I'm hoping against hope someone will [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > have you looked in the non obvious places..fridge, freezer, where the dirty > linen goes, whatever? Yep. Fridge and freezer were among the first places I looked -- because I think he was planning to phone me (the main reason he'd have the phone in his hand) I thought it was to tell me to do some grocery shopping, and he might have looked in the refrigerator to see if we needed anything. I went through his dirty laundry, checked all the places he frequently misplaces his cane and eyeglasses. There's always the possibility he put it in the trash -- is so, it's lost, 'cause I'm not sifting through it for that.
Thanks to all for the suggestions of the tracking devices I might attach to the phone.
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Dennis P. Harris - 25 Nov 2004 03:55 GMT > There's always the possibility he put it in the > trash -- is so, it's lost, 'cause I'm not sifting through it for that. be sure to call the cellphone company and tell them that he lost the phone. they will deactivate it and make sure that calls can't be billed to it.
Nancy Young - 25 Nov 2004 20:02 GMT > > There's always the possibility he put it in the > > trash -- is so, it's lost, 'cause I'm not sifting through it for that. > > be sure to call the cellphone company and tell them that he lost > the phone. they will deactivate it and make sure that calls > can't be billed to it. Did anyone mention calling the phone and following the ring?
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Robert E. Lewis - 26 Nov 2004 19:41 GMT > Did anyone mention calling the phone and following the ring? That was the first thing I did when I got home and learned the phone was missing. Unfortunately, my father has developed a habit of turning the phone completely off whenever he hangs up, and apparently he's done that this time, because it didn't ring.
Now Dad has unplugged the regular telephone in his bedroom.
Several months ago he was transfixed by ads on TV for a touch-screen telephone, and he ordered one -- he told me he'd ordered a gift for me, but by the time it arrived he'd forgotten what it was. But we have two phone lines -- I have a separate line I use for work and Internet, etc., so the phone wasn't useful for me. A couple of weeks later Dad started talking about buying one of these phones again -- he forgot we had one. So I gave the unused touch-screen phone to him, he put it in his room and immediately decided he didn't like it and switched back. A couple of weeks later he ordered *another* touch-screen phone -- and again, didn't like it, didn't use it.
Fast forward several months: He came across the phone and wants to use it. But it finally dawned on him that it's only a single-line phone (really fine, virtually no one calls on my line that he'd need to answer it)... so after a couple of days of *thinking*, this morning he showed me what passes for a wiring diagram and said he wants me to wire in a switch and split off the two lines so he can plug in his old two-line phone, the new touch-screen phone... and possibly a THIRD telephone, so he will have choice of phones to use (I'm not sure about the third phone because every time he tried to explain it to me, he'd lose his place when he started explaining about the third line, and go back to phone number two). The *last* thing he needs in that room is more clutter and a confusing array of telephones to answer, but he's going to be angry when I tell him so.
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Dennis P. Harris - 27 Nov 2004 07:25 GMT > so > after a couple of days of *thinking*, this morning he showed me what passes [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that room is more clutter and a confusing array of telephones to answer, but > he's going to be angry when I tell him so. then don't! just divert his thinking. provide him with some other more harmless technical "project". and if he starts obsessing about something, remove it when he's not around, because he will soon forget it.
fooling around with the phones is one thing. if he starts fooling with the electric wiring, that could get dangerous.
if you have power of attorney for financial matters, you might want to limit the amount he can charge on his card(s) in a month.
Florence A - 26 Nov 2004 03:55 GMT I read somewhere that a 911 response team looks in the fridge/freezer for drug lists & info that might apply to patient if no one is available to answer questions---- Seems reasonable if everyone is on the same page.. Anyone ever heard of this? Florence
Glenfiddich - 26 Nov 2004 05:57 GMT >I read somewhere that a 911 response team looks in the fridge/freezer >for drug lists & info that might apply to patient if no one is available >to answer questions---- >Seems reasonable if everyone is on the same page.. >Anyone ever heard of this? When someone is quite confused, they might still remember that the freezer is where to put things that have to keep...
In many homes the fridge is the family bulletin board, so looking there could give a clue to who's been around. And looking inside could also show important medicines that have to be kept cool. It could also tell if the person has enough to eat.
Gwen Love - 28 Nov 2004 18:37 GMT In Florida where we lived and in Montgomery, AL some organizations sponsor a "Vial of Life" Program where a large medicine container is provided with a sheet to complete with all your health info, doctor's names and phone numbers, etc. so that emergency personnel will know to look in the frig to find it. Then you get a sticker to put in your window advising that you have it. Gwen
> >I read somewhere that a 911 response team looks in the fridge/freezer > >for drug lists & info that might apply to patient if no one is available [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > to be kept cool. > It could also tell if the person has enough to eat. Robert E. Lewis - 26 Nov 2004 19:26 GMT > I read somewhere that a 911 response team looks in the fridge/freezer > for drug lists & info that might apply to patient if no one is available > to answer questions---- > Seems reasonable if everyone is on the same page.. > Anyone ever heard of this? Yes, a lot of fire departments and EMS organizations promote something called the "Vial of Life" -- usually a bright red plastic cylinder with a printed form with important medical information -- medications, allergies, important health problems, etc. The vial is stored in the refrigerator, the logic being that virtually every home in the US today has a refrigerator and it's easy for EMS personnel to locate in a hurry.
A Google search on "vial of life" should provide some details (and you could add your locale into the search to see if the local emergency services participate in the program).
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donnah - 28 Nov 2004 15:02 GMT Florence, we have it for both my parents for years, updating pertinent information as needed. donnah
>I read somewhere that a 911 response team looks in the fridge/freezer > for drug lists & info that might apply to patient if no one is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Anyone ever heard of this? > Florence Ruth - 24 Nov 2004 01:25 GMT Oh, boy, oh, joy! Doesn't this drive you crazy! I have ignored my husband's occasional interest in a cell phone for the very reasons you mention. He regularly loses glasses and hearing aids (3 so far this year and another one gone walking just tonight) so I don't want to add to the list of things to misplace and lose. Besides which, he doesn't really get the hang of new things. I have given myself permission not to drive myself nuts trying to find the latest lost item. I try to stall long enough to allow the item to turn up and if it doesn't then we replace it. Costly but I wonder to myself just how long before the hearing aids will be abandoned altogether. Ruth
> This has been driving me crazy since yesterday; I know AD patients often > misplace things in odd places, so I'm hoping against hope someone will [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > hospital phone (then when he checked out, he wanted to take the hospital's > phone with him, thinking I'd brought it from home). Dennis P. Harris - 24 Nov 2004 03:21 GMT > So... practical questions (assuming the damn' thing ever turns up): any > tips on breaking him of the habit of turning the phone off instead of > hanging it up? superglue the on switch so it stays on, or take it to a service tech and have him bypass the switch. of course, then your dad will never hang up and his airtime will go through the roof. ;^)
did you look in the freezer? that was where my great aunt "banked" several years of social security checks...
Sparky - 24 Nov 2004 03:38 GMT I can't help you find the cell phone, but I had the same problem with Mom's keys. I found something on the internet called KeyFinder. It is two remotes the size of the device for new cars that allow you to lock the car remotely. Instructions say to put one remote on your key ring and the other on the TV remote (another device that gets misplaced). When one goes missing, you get the other remote and double click the button on it. If you are within earshot distance of the missing remote, it begins chirping. Continue double clicking until you find the missing remote. Best $30 I ever spent. Maybe you could attach one to the cell phone if and when you find it?
-- Sparky
Ruth - 25 Nov 2004 21:12 GMT ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth To: Ruth Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Finding a Lost Cell Phone
And what to my wondering eyes should appear... the missing hearing aid skittered across the floor as I was stripping the bed this morning! Yippee! Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Newsgroups: alt.support.alzheimers Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:25 PM Subject: Re: Finding a Lost Cell Phone
Oh, boy, oh, joy! Doesn't this drive you crazy! I have ignored my husband's occasional interest in a cell phone for the very reasons you mention. He regularly loses glasses and hearing aids (3 so far this year and another one gone walking just tonight) so I don't want to add to the list of things to misplace and lose. Besides which, he doesn't really get the hang of new things. I have given myself permission not to drive myself nuts trying to find the latest lost item. I try to stall long enough to allow the item to turn up and if it doesn't then we replace it. Costly but I wonder to myself just how long before the hearing aids will be abandoned altogether. Ruth
> > This has been driving me crazy since yesterday; I know AD patients often > misplace things in odd places, so I'm hoping against hope someone will > have > some ideas for finding it and helping keep Dad from losing it again. > > I was out yesterday and when I phoned home my father started telling me > he'd > lost his cell phone. The cell phone is how he contacts me if I'm out -- > he > cannot remember my cell number to dial it from the phone, can't remember > to > use the speed-dial on his regular telephone or to luck up my number on the > Rolodex on his desk (he can remember to use the regular phone speed-dialer > to call his lady-friend, and the Rolodex to call the Old Geezer buddies he > has lunch with twice a months, but he's got it in his head to call my cell > phone he must call from his cell phone and there ain't no getting this out > of his head). > > At some point he must have been thinking of phoning me and he carried the > phone off his desk and... gone. I tried the obvious approach of phoning > the > number, hoping to follow the ring back to the phone, but one of his > recurring confusions is that instead of hanging up at the end of a phone > call, he turns it off (when I bought him this cell phone more than a year > ago, I especially picked almost identical to his old phone but with a > not-so-obvious off button, but he's managed to find it and cement in his > mind that pushing that button is the way to disconnect. So, it won't > ring. > > He can't tell me anything he was doing during this period where he might > have had the phone in his hand. It was raining and he's having trouble > walking anyway, so I believe him when he says he didn't go outside; I've > checked all the usual suspects -- under sofa cushions, under his bed, on > the > floor around his desk, in the bathroom, etc. The last time he lost the > cell > phone, he had decided to move the little speaker for his computer system, > put the phone on the shelf where the speaker had been -- then decided he > wanted the speaker back in its old location and put it in front on the > phone, so it's possible it's hidden behind something I'm unaware has been > moved in months. > > So... practical questions (assuming the damn' thing ever turns up): any > tips on breaking him of the habit of turning the phone off instead of > hanging it up? The location of the power button makes taping it over > impractical, there's not much room for a label on it (everything in his > room > is labeled -- his computer, the TV, the place where he plugs in the stereo > headphones, etc.) > > And how to help him keep track of it? He has a nice holder for the phone, > bought especially because it was always falling out of his shirt pocket, > where he'd stuff it along with one or more pairs of eyeglasses (usually > just > before bending over to tie his shoe, whereupon they'd all fall out) -- but > he doesn't use the holder except to hold the phone clipped on his desk -- > he > takes it out to carry it around. > > My just taking over care of the phone isn't the answer, since the major > purpose of the phone is to provide him with a way he remembers to reach me > if I'm away from the house. When he was in the hospital I brought him his > cell phone so he could call me -- he just wasn't able to manage it from > the > hospital phone (then when he checked out, he wanted to take the hospital's > phone with him, thinking I'd brought it from home). > > -- > > Robert > > >
Beate Schroeder - 30 Nov 2004 18:53 GMT Hello Robert,
excuse my english, it is long ago since I learned it at school and I`m from Germany. Everywhere the same problems wiht Alzheimer.
My farther used to throw all things into the trash can which overtaxed him. My shoes because they don`t fit to him, Handys ( you call it cell phone?), lamps with defekt light bulbs. When I came my first view was into the trash....
If you found the phone in the meantime, what about fixing the important button with superglue- we use UHU PLUS in such cases. Better a half working phone than a lost one.
Grüße von Beate aus Hamburg
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