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Feather Forestwalker - 31 Oct 2004 04:57 GMT
Since I started reading here in late August, I have learned a lot.

I managed to find a bunch of books at our local resource library for
Alzheimer's  - and found them to be quite helpful. I especially enjoyed
"The Forgetting," by David Shent. Has anyone else read this one?

I also read an acquaintance's book (she wrote it), called "Death In Slow
Motion" (Eleanor Cooney), and found her to be refreshingly poignant and
wonderful in dealing with her own mother's descent into AD.

It seems my perspective is very different, however. I am not a family
member giving care. I am becoming a licensed elder caregiver, and in
this process am discovering things about how relatives act with one
another with regards to AD.

It's gotta be really hard, living with someone you love who has AD. My
heart goes out to ALL caregivers here who live with their AD loved one.
I cannot imagine the stress.

This week, my client's relative came up to visit. She's a registered
nurse and stayed with her four days, cleaning her apartment and spending
time with her, getting her ready for a move to another apartment (which,
I am assuming will happen next week). This new apartment has two
bedrooms. They are trying to find her a live-in caregiver who can be
there at night to help prevent night wandering. We're telling my client
that it's a room-mate. She's only 57 years old and has EOAD. (It started
about four years ago and she's already close to the last stage - i.e.;
she's now starting to forget how to wipe herself after using the
restroom - and I am gonna make her a funny sign to help her remember.
Does anyone have any clipart of a toilet and someone sitting on it with
toilet paper in their hand? I know this sounds crude, but signs DO help
this woman. Everything's labeled in her house; drawers, cabinets, etc.
and it WORKS. She can READ where everything is, and when she opens the
drawer with the forks, knives and spoons (NO SHARP KNIVES), she's never
disappointed. Her apartment is kept in almost 100% order for her, as
she's forgotten many many things.

I did get her engaged into our local day program with AD and other
patients needing support.

One of my questions is this:

Whenever I try to leave her there at the day program (which is the goal,
to get her to stay without me), she gets agitated and finds me - somehow
she just finds me. It's weird, you know? She finds me and then starts
walking as fast as she can towards me. So, I have to lie and tell her I
am just putting my coat in the vehicle and we'll go back inside.

She gets real agitated then; she doesn't *want* to go back inside.
Diversion time. I start taking her on small errands. She loves to ride
in the vehicle and see things, but what she really wants is to "go
home." For her, home is another town about 25 minutes away and
unfortunately my vehicle won't drive all the way down there without
problems. So, I find myself explaining this to her over and over again.

I have tried to be gentle with her, explaining that she needs to be at
the program volunteering because the people in there need her, but that
never seems to work. HOWEVER, she LOVES to dance and when we have
dancing there, she goes nuts, boogying all over the place! It's
wonderful to watch. :)

I just cannot convince her beforehand that we are dancing; she will say
something like, "Oh, no, I am not a dancer," when in fact she was an
accomplished one.

I saw some of her artwork today for the first time. This woman could
draw so much better than I can! (I draw birds). She put in details in a
softer fashion on her horses and humans, such as muscle definition,
contours and wisps of hair, that I can barely capture in my renditions
of horses and other mammals. (She also did drawings of people, something
I've never been able to accomplish with any accuracy).

I hear she was a lot of fun, loved Hawai'i and other tropical places.....

The point I am trying to make is that I haven't watched her deteriorate
over time; her friends and family have. That's where I feel I am
somewhat left in the dark; she and I knew some of the same people during
our time here in this area (she over 30 years, me almost 20), and we
never met. So, I haven't watched her deteriorate like her friends and
family, who do not live in this area, have.

It's got to be not only frustrating, but heart-breaking as well.

Here I am, helping to take care of a very beautiful woman, who one would
not think is as old as she is, nor would they think she is ill until
they watch her for a while. Most people upon meeting her think she is
mentally ill, when she is not; at least, not in the sense of most mental
illnesses (bio-chemical imbalances of the brain that cause
hallucinations of auditory and sometimes visual natures, highs and lows
in emotional outbursts, etc). No, this woman is ill in a much different
sense, and it's sad to watch - at the same time, I have found a lot of
tools in handling being around her.

It's sort of like making a game out of every thing that might be
unpleasant. That's why she seems to like going to the day program; she
thinks of it as a game. That's why she likes me; we get along on a level
that's mostly fun and games. A shower is a game, shopping is a game;
cleaning is a game. We laugh and joke at mealtimes about her weight (she
used to be real skinny; now she's gaining - maybe too much too fast, in
light of her current weight, because someone else besides me is going
inside feeding her even though I've already written it down in the
journal; they don't read it).

When I walk in to her place at the beginning of a shift and she's there,
I usually make like I am walking on a stage and make a big production
out of it (in a somewhat quiet way), and she loves it. She actually will
start mimicking what I am doing and laugh the whole time.

When it's time to leave and she knows it, I don't just walk away; I tell
her, very carefully and slowly, what it is I have to do and she is
almost always GOOD about it.

I know that this might show hope in the face of deterioration and that
at some point she will start getting more agitated and angry - but
remember, this is the lady who's already thrown a book at me and pounded
on my door, almost breaking it.

This is the woman who just today threw the wooden apple crate on the
floor in her apartment - it contains video tapes for her to watch
whenever she wants to - and she had no problem at all with my picking it
up and fixing it - she even helped me pick everything up because I sang
a song about the lady who threw a fit like a two year old, and she
laughed along with me.

My credo is to try to make everything fun, interesting and even if it's
goofy as heck, just remember how goofy you got when you were a kid;
revisit that time whenever you feel like the person you are caring for
is driving you completely batty, repeating things over and over again,
or doing the same unexplainable action over and over again, or wondering
what they are supposed to be doing next, even though you just told them
five times already.

Think JIM CARREY and act on it, without the crudity, unless, of course,
your charge likes that kind of stuff. . .

:)

And most of all

SMILE and remember to rest.

Making these last years of your loved one's life fun and interesting
will be refreshing for you and fun for your charge, even if they don't
remember it.

My client and I have a new catch-phrase, and she *remembers* it!

It's from the Dr. Scholl's commercial "Are you gellin'?" Whenever she's
upset, I say, "Are you gellin'?" and she always smiles and says, "Like a
felon!" ;)

Hope this brings some smiles through some tired eyes tonight,

God bless,

Feather
Mary Gordon - 31 Oct 2004 18:52 GMT
One thing you should realize is that the ability to read and the
ability to understand what you read are entirely different things. You
can hand many people with AD text materials and they can read it aloud
perfectly, yet have no idea what it means. This phenomena gets used in
certain tests - the person is given the text, asked to read it, and
then do what it says. They often can read it, but that is as far as
they get. Reading and reading comprehension are different skills and
because of that...your idea of putting out signs and notes for this
woman are likely to work in the very, very short term only, if at all.
We certainly saw this with my MIL. My husband left all kinds of notes,
written instructions, prompts, signs, you name it - and it didn't help
at all. Also, the reasoning that goes with a picture of a toilet on a
door indicating that that is the door to an actual bathroom requires
quite abstract reasoning - so don't be surprised if that doesn't work
too well either.

When she moves to the new place, expect her to have major
difficulties, since she will have mostly lost her ability to learn new
things - so no matter how long she is there, she may never retain a
good grasp of which drawer the spoons are in.

Part of her anxiety about you leaving will be because she has lost her
sense of time. So, you are leaving her in a strange place. She has no
idea how long she's going to be there, how she is going to get home,
if you are ever coming back etc. Of course she clings to you! Your
rational explanations are also pointless, since she can't follow
logic. The reassure/divert/distract is probably the best tactic. Get
the staff to whisk  her away and get her immediately involved in
something, if that is possible, and then slip away quickly. Her
wanting to go "home" probably has nothing to do with anyt specific
place. It likely has a great deal to do with her wanting to be in a
place where she feels secure and safe and understands whats going on -
and there is no place on earth that is going to give her that feeling
again.

Regarding the artwork _ I'm not sure if she had a talent before, but
there are many instances where brain injuries result in the flowering
of a talent like art. It might be something as simple as the loss of
inhibitions and self critisism that lets a hidden ability surface.

Just some random thoughts.

Mary G.
Tumbleweed - 31 Oct 2004 19:22 GMT
> One thing you should realize is that the ability to read and the
> ability to understand what you read are entirely different things. You
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> quite abstract reasoning - so don't be surprised if that doesn't work
> too well either.

Saw exactly that with my dad, for example A4 sign on door at eye height in
large thick black letters 'just gone out for 5 minutes' that you "couldnt
miss" :-) if going out, he would still go out and start looking for his
carer when he couldnt find her.
And of course, the root of disease is forgetfulness, so they might even read
the sign, and understand it ....for 5-10 seconds and then forget it. Good
luck but ultimately it will fail becase of the nature of the condition(and
also, I suspect that if everything is covered in signs they will just become
background and not be read anyway)

Signature

Tumbleweed

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tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com

Feather Forestwalker - 01 Nov 2004 08:00 GMT
>>One thing you should realize is that the ability to read and the
>>ability to understand what you read are entirely different things. You
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> also, I suspect that if everything is covered in signs they will just become
> background and not be read anyway)

Some large block lettered words on her erasable board tend to make her
angry enough to erase them. It's weird how angry she is with her niece
right now, but now that she is gone, well, she's calmed down a lot.

I did find her at lunchtime today, with a bag of her remaining cereal;
she had poured milk into the bag and was eating the cereal out of it
with her hands, even though she had placed a bowl on the table with a
spoon, she lost the connection about what to do next. . .and was
laughing about it when I walked in.

At least her sense of humor hasn't deteriorated.

Thank you for your perspective,

Feather
Suzie Q - 01 Nov 2004 18:10 GMT
Feather,

Your comments about the cereal and milk in a bag made me laugh.  Mom
constantly pours drinks onto food....says it's gravy.  If she has
anything in a bowl she'll pour some of her drink into it and mix it
around with her fingers because she's 'cleaning' it.  Or she'll drop
food into her cup or glass and then drink it.  I tried putting a straw
into a can of soda so she wouldn't do it but she still pushes food into
the opening.  When I get exasperated when she makes a real mess she'll
say she didn't do it and blame it on those 'other' people.  LOL, what
are you going to do but try to keep your sense of humor.

SQ
Feather Forestwalker - 01 Nov 2004 07:58 GMT
> One thing you should realize is that the ability to read and the
> ability to understand what you read are entirely different things. You
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> quite abstract reasoning - so don't be surprised if that doesn't work
> too well either.

Duly noted. . .experiment of tonight didn't work very well, but she did
remember to hand out candy to the kids. . .

> When she moves to the new place, expect her to have major
> difficulties, since she will have mostly lost her ability to learn new
> things - so no matter how long she is there, she may never retain a
> good grasp of which drawer the spoons are in.

it's the same layout as the old one with one extra bedroom, but again,
your point is well taken.

> Part of her anxiety about you leaving will be because she has lost her
> sense of time. So, you are leaving her in a strange place. She has no
> idea how long she's going to be there, how she is going to get home,
> if you are ever coming back etc. Of course she clings to you!

She clung to me before I ever started working for her; she would come
over to my apartment several times a day - like she knew me, though we
had never met.

> Your
> rational explanations are also pointless, since she can't follow
> logic. The reassure/divert/distract is probably the best tactic.

I've pretty much given up on rational explanations anyway. Yes, the
reassure/divert/distract tactic is best.

 > Get
> the staff to whisk  her away and get her immediately involved in
> something, if that is possible, and then slip away quickly.

Nope. Didn't work. But just because it didn't work three times doesn't
mean it won't the next. We will keep trying.

> Her
> wanting to go "home" probably has nothing to do with anyt specific
> place.

Oh, she most definitely names the place she wants to be in, then points
at a photo of it in her photo album. She definitely knows she wants to
be back there.

> It likely has a great deal to do with her wanting to be in a
> place where she feels secure and safe and understands whats going on -
> and there is no place on earth that is going to give her that feeling
> again.

yeah, that makes sense, too, however.

> Regarding the artwork _ I'm not sure if she had a talent before,

it was her old artwork. She drew wonderfully. She hates it now.

> but
> there are many instances where brain injuries result in the flowering
> of a talent like art. It might be something as simple as the loss of
> inhibitions and self critisism that lets a hidden ability surface.

I wish AD wasn't so insidious, and that it didn't go so rapidly in
younger people. .

> Just some random thoughts.

for which I thank you. . .

> Mary G.

Feather
Dennis P. Harris - 01 Nov 2004 09:38 GMT
> Oh, she most definitely names the place she wants to be in, then points
> at a photo of it in her photo album. She definitely knows she wants to
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> > and there is no place on earth that is going to give her that feeling
> > again.

even if she went to the place, she might not recognize it!  it
truly is wanting to go back to a *time* when everything was
normal, which it will never be again.

you should go back and read some of the group archives on google
for the past several years, and then you will get a better
understanding of dementia.
Feather Forestwalker - 01 Nov 2004 16:11 GMT
>>Oh, she most definitely names the place she wants to be in, then points
>>at a photo of it in her photo album. She definitely knows she wants to
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> truly is wanting to go back to a *time* when everything was
> normal, which it will never be again.

Oh, yes, it is most definitely a *time*. I do understand that part of
it, for sure. But thank you for making me clarify what I mean. Sometimes
I just go on and on. . . *LOL* I appreciate being reined in. :)

> you should go back and read some of the group archives on google
> for the past several years, and then you will get a better
> understanding of dementia.

I have read some of them, and I have read some personal vignettes from
several different books on the subject, in the last few months. I
appreciate any and all references I get, though, so as time permits, I
will read more of the archives.

Thank you,

Feather
Mary Gordon - 02 Nov 2004 02:59 GMT
My MIL wanted to go to a specific place as well - her girlhood home.
However, despite the fact it was sold back in the 1950's, she really
had it in her head that if we got in the car and took her to the
place, the house would be full of familiar things, her long dead
parents and sisters would be in the sitting room, her girlhood friends
would all be living in THEIR original homes etc.

Just breaks your heart. Around the same time, if you showed her a
picture of her late husband of 35 yearsat time, she'd ask who he was.

Mary G.
Feather Forestwalker - 02 Nov 2004 06:38 GMT
> My MIL wanted to go to a specific place as well - her girlhood home.
> However, despite the fact it was sold back in the 1950's, she really
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Mary G.

Yes, it does, and when I show her photos of certain folks from her own
photo album, she *does* remember *most* of them, just not all.

And over the last couple of days I've witnessed what I can only call a
slipping - like her mind is slipping even faster into the illness.

Though she's on Aricept and Namenda, and though she is wandering less,
(I think it's because it's colder), she's still easily agitated and
still suffers from aphasia (is that the right word? meaning she cannot
find the words to say what she means and mixes things up?)

Like this morning, for instance, when I went over to fix her breakfast
and offered her raisin bran. She said, most emphatically, "NO, I HATE
that stuff." So I made her something else and we joked around a bit
while she ate breakfast.

About a half an hour later, as I was washing the dishes, she came up
behind me in that silent way she has and said, without any prompting,
"Brazen Band."

I couldn't help it: I told her what those words conjured up in my mind:
images of an all girl rock and roll band, dancing on stage in a brazen
manner and she just giggled so hard I thought she'd fall over.

:)

Some days are like that, and the more we joke around, the better she
seems to do. . .

But there are moments.

Like when she talks to the answering machine as if it's a person,
cupping her hands around the speaker as if there's a person inside the box.

or like when she thinks the people on the TV are out to get her, or that
they are talking directly TO her.

Or like when she thinks that the people in the Day Program are all weird
and she's the only normal one.

That kind of thing.

but we still manage to make a joke at these things. One day I told her
we were gonna just point fingers and laugh at all those folks on the TV
and one day I caught her doing just that when I walked into her room.

:)

Some things work and it's all mostly guesswork for me.

Thanks for listening,

Feather, a caregiver, but not a relative, of an AD patient
donnah - 02 Nov 2004 13:25 GMT
Feather, thanks for sharing! It helps me to read what you and others
write...
donnah

>> My MIL wanted to go to a specific place as well - her girlhood
>> home.
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>
> Feather, a caregiver, but not a relative, of an AD patient
Feather Forestwalker - 03 Nov 2004 06:10 GMT
> Feather, thanks for sharing! It helps me to read what you and others
> write...
> donnah

Donnah,

I am glad that it does.

And thank you for your most recent update. . .

Feather
Evelyn Ruut - 02 Nov 2004 14:46 GMT
>> My MIL wanted to go to a specific place as well - her girlhood home.
>> However, despite the fact it was sold back in the 1950's, she really
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>
> Feather, a caregiver, but not a relative, of an AD patient

Dear Feather,

My mother in law also thought the people in the daycare center were all
weird and "crazy" but she herself was not.   In the earlier days she may
have been more "with it" than some who were there, but as time passed and
her illness progressed, she was less inclined to notice those differences,
as it was she instead who needed more assistance at that time.

As you speak of sometimes giggling together over something, I recall the
earlier days when my mother in law would carefully choose her jewelry to
match her outfit and put on a little lipstick, always remembering to rub a
little on her cheekbones too, on her way to daycare.   She was continent
then, and could still carry on something of a conversation.   We had some
wonderful moments, and it was a very healing time for us.

She wasn't quite OK at that time, but nothing like now.    We took her
everywhere with us... to meetings, to parties, to restaurants, shopping....
I think that while she was still able to do these things, she had a better
life than she had for many years prior.

Enjoy the good times, Feather.   I regard those days as a special gift when
my mother in law and I finally grew to appreciate, understand and even to
love each other...... and thank you for sharing the moments here, as it
reminded me of some of those good times too.

Signature

Regards,
Evelyn

(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")

Feather Forestwalker - 03 Nov 2004 06:14 GMT
>>>My MIL wanted to go to a specific place as well - her girlhood home.
>>>However, despite the fact it was sold back in the 1950's, she really
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> love each other...... and thank you for sharing the moments here, as it
> reminded me of some of those good times too.

Evelyn,

Thank you for sharing about that.

Most people, I think, are aware that EOAD folks decline more rapidly. I
believe my client is in a phase just before a major decline, and she's
going to be moving into that new apartment this weekend. I think this is
going to be very difficult for her.

She seems to be very excited about Thanksgiving. Her friends are coming
to take her and she kept pointing at her calendar today with a lot of
excitement, so every time she acted like she wanted to leave the day
program today, I calmly explained that Thanksgiving was three weeks and
two days away. That did it; she calmed right down and we got down to the
business of Feather drawing turkeys and fall leaves for the other
clients to watercolor later that afternoon. (The staff are always asking
me to draw stuff for them. Soon, I won't be able to, as I may have to
have surgery on my right wrist. . .to correct a displaced bone. I was
seen by the orthopedic surgeon today and he confirmed what I knew; a
bone is displaced and pressure from typing, drawing and handwriting
irritates it) *SIGH*

Thank you for letting me know about your MIL. I appreciate all the
perspectives here from family members who are caregivers. I cannot
understand the dichotomy that exists in my clients case because most of
her family members rely on me and one other caregiver to take care of
their relative.. .

Feather
donnah - 03 Nov 2004 14:12 GMT
(((Feather)))
good luck to you about your wrist! as someone with OA/RA, I know the
challenges of unexpected surgeries (and expected ones, too :). Hang in
there...
donnah

>>>>My MIL wanted to go to a specific place as well - her girlhood
>>>>home.
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>
> Feather
Feather Forestwalker - 08 Nov 2004 17:44 GMT
> (((Feather)))
> good luck to you about your wrist! as someone with OA/RA, I know the
> challenges of unexpected surgeries (and expected ones, too :). Hang in
> there...
> donnah

Thanks, Donnah,

The surgeon hasn't even called me back yet. He's overbooked, I suppose.
I will call him shortly.

Feather
Anthony Shipley - 25 Nov 2004 10:22 GMT
>I wish AD wasn't so insidious, and that it didn't go so rapidly in
>younger people. .

I hadn't come across that that, the pace, before. Any details/reference?

tia

-
Mod as a hooter!
Mary Gordon - 25 Nov 2004 20:38 GMT
http://w3.uokhsc.edu/pathology/deptlabs/diagnostic_center_for_alzheimer.htm

If you scroll down to under the coloured graph, you will find mention
of the notion that people with early onset die sooner - the disease
seems to be more severe and progresses faster. Who knows, it might
just be that younger people have more active metabolisms, so AD, like
cancer, seems to move faster in them.

Early onset also has the strongest genetic component - some forms are
like Huntington's - 50-50 chances of inheriting it if one of your
parents got it.

Mary G.
Feather Forestwalker - 26 Nov 2004 17:25 GMT
> http://w3.uokhsc.edu/pathology/deptlabs/diagnostic_center_for_alzheimer.htm
>
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>
> Mary G.

Thanks, Mary. . .as I stated in my response to Anthony, I really
appreciated this link.

Feather
Feather Forestwalker - 26 Nov 2004 17:25 GMT
>>I wish AD wasn't so insidious, and that it didn't go so rapidly in
>>younger people. .
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> -
> Mod as a hooter!

I've read very briefly about it, in certain books on Alzheimer's.

It seems that Early-Onset AD is rare, but that there is a deep familial
connection - if one's parent has had AD, one of the children may develop
it earlier than later, and it also seems that progression of the disease
accelerates more rapidly because of metabolic rates in the younger,
healthier person.

It hasn't been substantiated, this idea of metabolism, because EOAD is
so rare. . .

I read a little bit about it in "Alzheimer's a Guide for Caregivers and
Families" by someone named Lenore something (I really cannot recall at
the moment her last name); one book called "The Forgetting," by Shent
(David Shent?), and in a couple of others I borrowed from our
Alzheimer's Resource Center where I live (a small center, with many
patients as of late, all of them except my client are elderly).

Hope this helps. . .and I really enjoyed reading the site that Mary
Gordon posted. . .thanks, Mary!

Feather
Jo Ann Malina - 05 Nov 2004 12:12 GMT
Feather Forestwalker <feather@nospam.net> is alleged to have said:
> We're telling my client
> that it's a room-mate. She's only 57 years old and has EOAD. (It started
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> toilet paper in their hand? I know this sounds crude, but signs DO help
> this woman.

It may be a bit much for this woman, but you might get a smile out of
R. Crumb's Tommy Toilet poster.  You can see it here:

http://www.deniskitchen.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SP_Tommy

Takes me back to my hippie youth.

Signature

Jo Ann Malina, make spamthis best to find my address
Tommy Toilet sez: Don't forget to wipe your a.s folks!   -- R. Crumb

Feather Forestwalker - 08 Nov 2004 02:04 GMT
> Feather Forestwalker <feather@nospam.net> is alleged to have said:
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Takes me back to my hippie youth.

Hey, thanks, Jo Ann! I am taking a look now - and this is something
she'd just LOOOOVE! ;)

Feather
 
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