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Canada's stand on ginseng
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Dave - 28 Sep 2003 03:18 GMT http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/speccrop/ginseng/ginseng-why.pdf
Dave - 28 Sep 2003 05:04 GMT > http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/speccrop/ginseng/ginseng-why.pdf GINSENG ? WHY AND HOW IT IS USED Note: This document is not intended as an endorsement for ginseng. Rather, it is a review of literature for clarification as to how ginseng is used and why.
Introduction
This document will discuss both American and Asian ginseng together as they are used as similar yet complementary medicinal/herbal products. Ginseng is often consumed simply as a herbal tea, it is also a good tonic and is used in many traditional Chinese medicinal formulas.
Ginseng is a very versatile plant and is consumed by more people and in greater quantities than any other single herb. To understand the botanical aspects of ginseng, refer to a companion document of this one called ?Ginseng?What it is and Isn?t.? It discusses the commercial ginseng (Panax ) group, (three species), plus other ginseng species, plants related to ginseng and many of the impostors known to this author. Impostors are plants using ?ginseng? in their common name that don?t have Panax as the genus portion of the Latin name, i.e. American Ginseng is Panax quinquefolius, Asian ginseng is Panax ginseng while poor man?s ginseng is Codonopsis pilosula, an impostor.
Chemical Differences
The differences between Asian and American ginseng is chemical rather than physical. They look very similar when growing, but produce slightly different chemistry which is stored in their roots. The chemicals specific to ginseng are called ginsenocides, a group of closely related saponins. Some basic differences between Asian and American are: for example; the ginsenocide Rb1 is greater in American ginseng, Rg1 is greater in Asian, Rf is basically non-existent in American ginseng and American ginseng has approximately twice the amount of total ginsenocides. There are over 25 ginsenocides identified but only six or seven are of any significance. Along with these special chemicals, ginseng contains protein, carbohydrate, sugar, vitamins and minerals in varying amounts, as they do in all vegetables.
Ministry of Agriculture and Food 162 Oriole Road Kamloops, BC V2C 4N7 Phone: (250) 371-6059 Fax: (250) 828-4631
Revised October 1999 Ginseng Note 97-02
2 BCMAF An Information Guide. Part 2/Revised October 1999
Choosing the Product (species)
When deciding which type of ginseng (American or Asian) you should take, there are some minor differences you need to understand. Asian ginseng is considered a yang product or one that is heat producing or stimulating, especially the ?red? ginseng products (described later). It is taken by the elderly, the ill, and in cooler seasons.
American ginseng is considered a Yin product or one that is cooling or non- stimulating. It would be used by the young and middle aged, for stress and in warmer seasons.
Note: These above are only guidelines, as some find the Asian product stimulating in any season, and American ginseng can be taken all year.
In available literature, ginseng is said to treat many conditions or to influence many body functions to keep you healthy. One statement was that ginseng caused the person to feel better, have more energy, be more alert and to sleep less. In this sense, ginseng is seen as a tonic, where you would take a little bit every day for the cumulative effects. One of the new buzzwords used in the last few years and being attached to ginseng is "adaptogen". This word means the product helps the whole body adapt to the stresses of life, which may be external, internal, physical or mental. The word adaptogen can only be applied to a herbal product if it is:
? non-toxic ? non-specific and ? producing a normalizing effect
Daily Consumption
The amounts prescribed for daily consumption vary considerably according to age, body size, temperament and health. As a tonic or adaptogen, the general amount recommended varies from .5 ? 1 gms per day. This would be for example, one to four 500 mg capsules/day, or when consuming tea and using a 2 gm tea bag, one to two times/day. Combination of ginseng products is quite acceptable.
For medicinal use for short periods, from 2 ? 4 gms/ day might be used. This amount is not recommended over the long term and would also be quite expensive.
Note: If you are taking other medications, have any extreme health conditions, or are pregnant, don?t take ginseng or any other herbal products without the full knowledge and consent of your regular doctor.
Ginseng comes with few warnings about possible negative effects. These include:
? May alter menstral cycles if taken in large amounts ? May increase menstral flow if taken in large amounts ? May not be of any benefit if the user is obese
Note: Ginseng, like any substance, may cause adverse reactions in some people, but this is quite rare. If this happens, do not continue. Make sure you are taking a true ginseng product. (See Ginseng?What It Is and Isn't.)
Purchasing Information
When you purchase ginseng, the following points may be helpful.
1. Older ginseng roots have more potency but are also more expensive.
2. Wild roots or woods grown will be more expensive and generally more potent as they usually are harvested as older roots.
3. Whole root products have more benefit over ones made only from hair roots and larger fibre roots. The whole root according to many, has a synergistic effect, i.e. where the whole works better than any one part, as it includes all the ginsenocides, and all other constituents.
4. Ginseng, like many other products, can be adulterated or mixed with fillers to stretch the ginseng. Look for 100 percent ginseng products.
5. The word ?ginseng? on the label does not assure you are getting American or Asian ginseng. It could be, and often is, Siberian ginseng, a related but different plant and can also be any one of a number of plants (see ?Ginseng?What it Is and Isn?t?, Ginseng Factsheet 97-01). 3 BCMAF An Information Guide. Part 2/ Revised October 1999
6. You should know your source, quality and age of the product you use. Ginseng has a good shelf life if handled and stored well but root over three years from harvest is questionable.
7. There are ?guaranteed potency? products on the market, which are chemically enhanced and guaranteed to be a certain percent ginsenocide. These are good products if you are buying ginsenocides but may have less than 100 percent ginseng in them, i.e., not a whole root product as you can extract, then add ginsenocides to many things.
8. In the Asian market, the shape of the root is important and is one of the subjective criterion for purchase. The common name ?Man Root? implies that if a root has a particular shape it is better. Asians typically purchase identifiable root products.
9. ?Red? ginseng is a processed product, made by steaming ginseng roots for eight ? ten hours. It is not a separate species of ginseng. Red ginseng products are usually made from Asian ginseng.
Nana Weedkiller - 28 Sep 2003 06:21 GMT Check out what they say about adaptogen... Buzzword! lol
> > http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/speccrop/ginseng/ginseng-why.pdf [...] One of the new buzzwords used in the
> last > few years and being attached to ginseng is "adaptogen". This word means the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ? non-specific and > ? producing a normalizing effect [...]
Dave - 28 Sep 2003 13:39 GMT > Check out what they say about adaptogen... > Buzzword! lol I guess ignorance is bliss.
Actually an adaptogen is nature's solution to sickness.
To be considered an adaptogen, a plant must conform to the following criteria:
The plant must be nontoxic and totally harmless to the body. It must allow the continuing normal physiological functioning of the individual. The action it exerts must be nonspecific and should maintain normal body functions despite a wide range of onslaughts to the body (i.e., stress). It should normalize body functions irrespective of existing pathological condition. This is a tall order for one substance. Unlike drugs which carry with them the possibility of side effects, adaptogens must benefit the body without disturbing it or doing any harm. Not many plants possess adaptogenic properties.
Serious research on adaptogens began in 1947 under the auspices of Dr. Nicole Laserev from Russia. He reported on several indigenous plants that helped increase the body's natural resistance to environmental stresses and later coined the term "adaptogens."
Now perhaps you won't have to appear so foolish next time.
> > > http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/speccrop/ginseng/ginseng-why.pdf > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > [...] Hawki63 - 28 Sep 2003 17:33 GMT >Subject: Re: Canada's stand on ginseng >From: "Dave" info@glowlife.com >Date: 9/28/2003 5:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <lDAdb.28$Tu2.10715@news20.bellglobal.com>
>I guess ignorance is bliss. yours apparently is
>Actually an adaptogen is nature's solution to sickness. a totally made up word
>To be considered an adaptogen, a plant must conform to the following >criteria: > >The plant must be nontoxic and totally
>harmless to the body. hmmmm...so you are saying that the great ginseng is "totally harmless"....unless of course one has a clotting problem and on Coumadin??
hmmmm....how about St Johns wort?? side effects and interactions fill a page..
hmmmm...heroin is a plant...does that make it an adaptogen??
what a laugh...you are loony enuf to take ANY printed word..and if it agrees with YOUR looniness,,,then you believe it without question..
and without knowledge of human physiology
yikes
>It should normalize body functions irrespective of existing pathological >condition. that is about the stupidest statement you have copied in weeks...."normalize body functions irrespectibe of existing pathological conditions"
hmmmm....one cure fits all..
>Unlike drugs which carry with them >the possibility of side effects, adaptogens must benefit the body without >disturbing it or doing any harm. Not see above....ginseng has more than "possibilities" of side effects.... hawki
Orac - 28 Sep 2003 17:38 GMT > > Check out what they say about adaptogen... > > Buzzword! lol [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > The plant must be nontoxic and totally harmless to the body. Then ginseng is not an adaptogen, by your own criteria.
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David Wright - 28 Sep 2003 23:27 GMT >> Check out what they say about adaptogen... >> Buzzword! lol > >I guess ignorance is bliss. So you've said before. We explained it's the reason you're such a happy (though venal and clueless) person.
>Actually an adaptogen is nature's solution to sickness. > >To be considered an adaptogen, a plant must conform to the following >criteria: > >The plant must be nontoxic and totally harmless to the body. There is no substance on earth that meets this definition.
>It must allow the continuing normal physiological functioning of the >individual. As has already been pointed out to your dimwitted self, some people are allergic to ginseng. It's in the medical literature. You could check that yourself, except that you're probably too stupid to use PubMed.
>The action it exerts must be nonspecific and should maintain normal body >functions despite a wide range of onslaughts to the body (i.e., stress). "Nonspecific?" How dopey can you get? I want something that *is* specific and will address whatever is wrong with me.
>It should normalize body functions irrespective of existing pathological >condition. Should be easy to find such a thing, if you have a magic wand.
>This is a tall order for one substance. You can say that again. And ginseng doesn't qualify.
>Unlike drugs which carry with them the possibility of side effects, >adaptogens must benefit the body without disturbing it or doing any >harm. Not many plants possess adaptogenic properties. Zero == "not many".
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Dave - 29 Sep 2003 00:56 GMT > >> Check out what they say about adaptogen... > >> Buzzword! lol [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > There is no substance on earth that meets this definition. There are many. It is only in the confines world of your world that no such thing exists.
> >It must allow the continuing normal physiological functioning of the > >individual. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > check that yourself, except that you're probably too stupid to use > PubMed. That would be like searching mothernature.com for Coumadin.
> >The action it exerts must be nonspecific and should maintain normal body > >functions despite a wide range of onslaughts to the body (i.e., stress). > > "Nonspecific?" How dopey can you get? I want something that *is* > specific and will address whatever is wrong with me. I know you've had this explained to you by every informed individual that has passed through here, but it is ONLY physicians in North America who aren't trained to be able to treat on any broader basis than one disease, one drug. Your mind set is the product of drug company brainwashing of a shrinking mindless herd.
> >It should normalize body functions irrespective of existing pathological > >condition. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants > were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) Hawki63 - 29 Sep 2003 02:56 GMT >Subject: Re: Canada's stand on ginseng >From: "Dave" info@glowlife.com >Date: 9/28/2003 4:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <TxKdb.1142$op2.154111@news20.bellglobal.com>
>That would be like searching mothernature.com for Coumadin. perhaps a simple PDR would be easier for you
> but it is ONLY physicians in North America who aren't trained >to be able >to treat on any broader basis than one disease, one drug. Your mind set is >the product "one disease,,one drug"??????? surely you have not a clue...if you think there is only ONE one drug per disease...
what he meant was....you are saying "one herb ,,,ALL diseases" as if it were logical to think that ONE herb with NON specific action" would be effective...
keep with the topic Davey..
hawki
Dave - 29 Sep 2003 03:17 GMT > >Subject: Re: Canada's stand on ginseng > >From: "Dave" info@glowlife.com [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > "one disease,,one drug"??????? surely you have not a clue...if you think there > is only ONE one drug per disease... Silly me, of course one drug won't ever be enough, 3 or 7 drugs per disease. Thanks for correcting me.
David Wright - 29 Sep 2003 05:21 GMT <snip>
>> >To be considered an adaptogen, a plant must conform to the following >> >criteria: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >There are many. It is only in the confines world of your world that no such >thing exists. Anything in sufficient quantity will kill you -- including water. That you don't know this is merely another demonstration of your astounding level of ignorance.
>> >It must allow the continuing normal physiological functioning of the >> >individual. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >That would be like searching mothernature.com for Coumadin. No, but I can understand your being unwilling to do it; if you did, you'd have to back off your nonsensical claims for your ginseng, since you wouldn't be able to claim ignorance any longer.
>I know you've had this explained to you by every informed individual >that has passed through here, You erroneously place yourself amongst the "informed."
>but it is ONLY physicians in North America who aren't trained to be >able to treat on any broader basis than one disease, one drug. Your >mind set is the product of drug company brainwashing of a shrinking >mindless herd. Wrong; but your mindset is that of the irresponsible spammer, who wants to sell his garbage to *everyone*, even if it could kill them to take it. You are truly loathesome.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Dave - 29 Sep 2003 13:58 GMT > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > wants to sell his garbage to *everyone*, even if it could kill them to > take it. You are truly loathesome. In your eyes only. I have noticed that your highly touted scientific genius seems to require rudeness and insults in order to work. Ginseng is way gentler. You should try some and see if it will relax your annus.
Ilsa9 - 29 Sep 2003 15:08 GMT >> Wrong; but your mindset is that of the irresponsible spammer, who >> wants to sell his garbage to *everyone*, even if it could kill them to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >gentler. >You should try some and see if it will relax your annus. So, that's why you like Ginseng roots!
David Wright - 29 Sep 2003 15:57 GMT >> Wrong; but your mindset is that of the irresponsible spammer, who >> wants to sell his garbage to *everyone*, even if it could kill them to >> take it. You are truly loathesome. > >In your eyes only. No, I think I could find quite a few people who'd agree with me.
>I have noticed that your highly touted scientific genius >seems to require rudeness and insults in order to work. When I'm trying to get through to low-forehead types like yourself, I use whatever works best.
>Ginseng is way gentler. >You should try some and see if it will relax your annus. It will relax my year?
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
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