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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / December 2004Any link, mutual treatment, or natural cures for gingivitis, acne, and toenail fungus?
Hi, I currently have 4 conditions plaguing me and it dawned on me whether the 3 conditions could be interrelated in any possible way. First I am a 27 year old male, 195 lbs, about 5 pounds overweight on fat, but not much more, I work out a lot and have substantial muscle mass. I have a family history of heart disease and diabetes and I do have a fairly low sugar metabolism which I have slowly increased over the years with cardiovascular exercise and some adkins oriented eating. I do work in a very high stress environment, so I am very regular about getting exercise 5-6 times/week. Here are my conditions: 1) Gingivitis -> I need to see a dentist to get deep cleaning as my gums are sore and puffy. Is there something I can swish in my mouth besides Listerine to kill the bacteria that is potentially lodged in my gums? 2) Repeated Acne -> despite the use of a benzoyl peroxide cream and a salicylic acid wash, I repeatedly get acne in my face. Always start as red inflammations, that with a week of benzoyl peroxide cream, will turn into a white pus filled pore, which I often pop with a small pin to drain the pus. 3) Fungus on my big toenail -> have tried immersing the nail in Listerine and Hydrogen peroxide, and painting the nail with Tea Tree Oil 2-3 times a week. Not seeing a big difference. Anything different I should do? 4) Somewhat completely mysteriously, I noticed one day that I had a lesion/scar on my left arm that resembled a bite, but I couldn't remember ever having been bitten. The scar is a red circle where the skin is almost completely destroyed. The center of the circle is fine, but the donut circle is completely scarred, and slowly new skin has been growing in. I am curious - is there any possibility that any of these conditions are linked? Many of them list the same over the counter cures: Tea Tree, Listerine, Hydrogen Peroxide, Triclosan, etc. Are there any other over the counter or natural/herbal remedies that can help cure any one or more of these conditions? Please note, I don't have any other conditions of not being well i.e. fever, weakness, fatique, I'm a totally healthy human being, just have these 4 strange conditions, and was curious if there were linked in any way. I appreciate any help you have. Thank you. With all due respect, get tested for AIDS. What you describe could well be the symptoms of a weakened immune system. If not AIDS, you could try the natural immunity boosters, get enough sleep, vitamins (esp. C) etc. HTH Frank de Groot > 1) Gingivitis -> I need to see a dentist to get deep cleaning as my > gums are sore and puffy. Is there something I can swish in my mouth [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Oil 2-3 times a week. Not seeing a big difference. Anything different > I should do? > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > was curious if there were linked in any way. I appreciate any help you > have. Thank you. Sounds to me like it could be diabetes. Do you test your blood sugars? Get a HA1c test done, see an endocrinologist, get a fasting glucose intolerance test. There are pre diabetic conditions (such as insulin resistance). But diabetics are vulnerable to dental and periodental problems (also BRUSH YOUR GUMS AND USE FLOSS OR STIM U DENTS!!!). The fungus is something diabetics get too. And Frank is right, get checked for HIV/AIDS. With all due respect, can you please explain to me how gingivitis, acne, and toenail fungus are related to HIV? Don't you think I'd be experiencing far worse symptoms if I had HIV? The diabetic theory is a possibility as I have a family history of diabetes and am very sensitive to high carb meals. But seriously - I'm not a moron here guys - I'm looking for real science - find me an article that says that these conditions are symptions of HIV, I'll buy the hypothesis. Lets make the assumption for a second I'm not going to die of AIDS, what might be other reasons for these symptions - or are there OTC products that might address multiple symptoms? Thank you for your scientific help. > > Hi, > > [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > something diabetics get too. > And Frank is right, get checked for HIV/AIDS. > I'm looking for real science - find me an article that says that >these conditions are symptions of HIV, I'll buy the hypothesis. Well, let us first examine what AIDS stands for. Aquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. Multiple infections in several organ systems suggests that an HIV test is in order. Human Immunotropic Virus -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE > Well, let us first examine what AIDS stands for. > > Aquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. > > Multiple infections in several organ systems suggests > that an HIV test is in order. multiple infections and immuncompromised status can be one of many immune deficiencies, like hypogammaglobulenemia, for example. aquired (or late stage onset inherited) immunodeficencies, with the exclusion of HIV/AIDS, as well as diabetes, are very hard to detect because you are not going to have an easy answer illicited by an antibody test. you need rigorous and thorough blood work, with clinical evaluation, to come to this diagnosis. analystresearch2: if you are worried that the "bite" is from a tick, which is possible, then have a western blot anitibody test done at igenex labs (www.igenex.com). but an AIDS test and a diabetes test is a good start. to rule them out. >> Well, let us first examine what AIDS stands for. >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >but an AIDS test and a diabetes test is a good start. to rule them out. I agree. Good information The 'bite' may also be from a spider. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE > With all due respect, can you please explain to me how gingivitis, > acne, and toenail fungus are related to HIV? HIV involves immune compromise. The hallmarks of HIV are opportunistic diseases. Gingivitis involves inflamation of the gums which can and often is caused by infection. Patients with HIV are prone to terrible fungal infections (toenail fungus included). Acne, well I haven't heard of it. In any event, it won't hurt to be tested and rule this one out. If the test is negative GREAT. If positive, begin treatment and many are now surviving and living with HIV without ever developing AIDS (HIV means positive for the virus; AIDS means that you're actually coming down with the opportunistic infections which are the hallmarks and defining diseases of AIDS along with low t cell counts). >Don't you think I'd be > experiencing far worse symptoms if I had HIV? Not necessarily. HIV positive is one thing. AIDS is another. And at different times AIDS patients get different opportunistic diseases. Typically they get worse and become potentially fatal as the immune system fails (measured by low or non existent t cell counts). >The diabetic theory is a > possibility as I have a family history of diabetes and am very > sensitive to high carb meals. But seriously - I'm not a moron here > guys - I'm looking for real science - find me an article that says that > these conditions are symptions of HIV, I'll buy the hypothesis. Well with due respect, there's this cool thing called GOOGLE and you might consider doing your own research. > Lets make the assumption for a second I'm not going to die of AIDS, > what might be other reasons for these symptions - or are there OTC > products that might address multiple symptoms? Thank you for your > scientific help. Why not seek some medical attention and diagnosis BEFORE trying alt med? Good luck, happy holidays! Sorry if this wasn't what you were looking for > > > Hi, > > > [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > > something diabetics get too. > > And Frank is right, get checked for HIV/AIDS. Oh boy. You sure got slammed with them, eh? Sorry to hear it. The diabetes can cause lots of weird things you wouldn't expect. So, that could be one reason. The HIV possibility is another unless you have no reason to suspect that anyway. You should ask your doctor if your symptoms could be related to diabetes. I do have a solution for some of the symptoms though. I am a customer of a company that has products where the main ingredient, for most of them, is the tea tree oil. Let me know if you'd like me to tell you more about them. A lot of people, including me, have had relief from the same symptoms you're experiencing when nothing else - even Rx - would work. I'm a rep and can get you connected. But as mentioned before, you should ask your doc if it's diabetes related. Maybe your diet could have something to do with some of the symptoms too. Good luck! Hi, I posted this on 'sci.med', but I guess you missed it..... Life Extension has excellent information for just about any ailment. They have their own product line, but that's not my intent for sending you there. If I had to venture a guess, I's say you are deficient in several of the B Vitamins. Especially for the acne and gingivitis. And if you have a family history of heart disease, you should be taking Pantethine [B5], B6, B12 and folic acid. These are excellent vitamins to take to maintain healthy homocysteine levels. The skin lesion you describe sounds like ringworm and since ringworm is a fungus, that could also be causing your nail fungus. Since you workout several days a week, you might have gotten this at the gym, ie: warm/damp environment. I've included links and info below for you. Life Extension: Ance http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-117.shtml#pant Pantothenic Acid Deficiency Pantothenic acid (vitamin B5) is used to form coenzyme A, one of the most important enzymes in the body. Coenzyme A is vital in both fatty acid metabolism and in the formation of sex hormones. Therefore, Leung (1997) suggested that a dietary deficiency of pantothenic acid could be the main cause of acne. Life Extension: Gingivitis http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-052.shtml Folic Acid Protects Gums A number of studies are demonstrating folic acid to be highly effective in preserving gum tissue and reducing the possibility of gingivitis and periodontitis (Stein et al. 1973). Although the benefits of swallowing folic acid supplements to protect against heart disease and birth defects have been well-documented, new evidence suggests that using folic acid topically, as a mouthwash, can strengthen one's oral defenses. Studies have demonstrated folic acid's ability to improve gingivitis symptoms and reduce gum tissue's inflammatory response, as well as making it more resilient to irritants, such as bacteria and plaque (Anon. 1987). Fungal nail infection (ringworm of the nails) http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/ringwormnail.htm What is ringworm of the nails? Ringworm of the nail is due to a fungal infection (dermatophyte) similar to the type that causes athlete's foot. Other scientific terms for ringworm of the nails are: tinea unguium, onychomycosis or dermatophytosis unguium. The fungi that cause ringworm are able to feed on keratin - the main protein in nails, hair and the outer layer of the skin. Ringworm of the body http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?objectid=23309F79-BB03-44C5-8726... Ringworm of the body is one of several forms of ringworm, a fungal infection that develops on the top layer of your skin. It's characterized by an itchy, red circle of rash with healthy looking skin in the middle. Frankie |
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