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Does speed of light vary, from fast to slower???

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rb - 29 Jun 2003 21:36 GMT
On Dr. Carl Baugh's television program; "Creation in the 21st Century" he
stated that as light from the furthest edges of the universe reached the
earth, it has slowed to about a mere crawl of the speed it started out as.
Food for thought!--rb

http://www.truthandscience.com/dr_carl_baugh.html

Here's miore info on the speed of light.--rb

Perhaps the light constant C is not constant.

The Doppler effect could be caused by the degradation of the speed of light
as well.

Australian physicist Barry Setterfield, and mathematician Trevor Norman,
examined all of the experimental measurements since 1657 and concluded that
light has been slowing down. Canadian mathematician Alan Montgomery also
analyzed the data statistically and concluded that the decay in the velocity
of light has followed a cosecant-squared curve with a correlation
coefficient of better than 99%.

With this curve the speed of light may have been:

10-30% faster in the time of Christ.

Twice as fast in the days of Solomon

Four times faster in Abraham's time and,

As much as 10 million times faster 6000 years ago at creation

This has enormous implications in Physics as many of the fundamental
theories rely on the C constant. The universe may be 10 million times
smaller than we think.

We are at the flat part of the cosecant-squared curve now and the light is
slowing down but not very fast, for all purposes the 186,000 mi./sec. is
relatively constant now.

Recent studies of red shift data also support the light slowing theory.

William Tift, astronomer at U. of Arizona. Collected 20 years of data on red
shifts. Noted several interesting things.

1. Red shift was dependent on type of galaxy. I.e. spiral and dim had higher
RS that elliptical and bright.

2. Some clusters exhibited only RS data of certain discrete values, not
smooth. If c was decaying then specific values of c govern the quantization
of emitted wavelengths.

3. Some galaxies i.e. Andromeda had a shift to the blue which means they are
rushing towards us.

This could radically alter the Big Bang theories.

Radiometric dating also is affected as c affects the rate of nucleon
exchange and alpha particle escape rate in all forms of dating. I.e. C14,
potassium-argon, chlorine isotope etc.

  The speed of light may not be a constant. It does vary in different media
(hence the rainbow effect of light going through a prism) and may vary in
different places in space. The entire idea behind the black hole theory is
that light can be attracted by gravity and be unable to escape the great
pull of these imaginary black holes. No one knows what light is let alone
that its velocity has been the same all through time and space. Since atomic
clocks use the wavelength of the Cesium 133 atom as a standard of time, if
the speed of light is decaying, the clock would be changing at the same rate
and therefore not be noticed.

On February 18, 1999, Houston Chronicle ran an article on page 10A about a
Danish Physicist, Dr. Hau working at Harvard, being able to slow down light
by cooling it. They cool it to fifty-billionths of a degree above absolute
zero -459.67. The light was slowed down to 38 MPH!

In Dallas Morning News on 2-28-2000 the article says they have now slowed it
to 1 MPH! See also New Scientist, July 24, 1999 pp. 28-32 and Science News,
June 9, 1984, p.359 for more on gravity effecting light.

"Eureka! Scientists break speed of light", Jonathan Leake, Science Editor,
Sunday Times [UK] June 4, 2000.
UNITED STATES SCIENTISTS claim they have broken the ultimate speed barrier:
the speed of light. In research carried out in the United States, particle
physicists have shown that light pulses can be accelerated to up to 300
times their normal velocity of 186,000 miles per second.
The work was carried out by Dr Lijun Wang, of the NEC research institute in
Princeton, who transmitted a pulse of light towards a chamber filled with
specially treated cesium gas. See also: New York Times May, 30, 2000
[URL=http://www.nytimes.com]www.nytimes.com[/URL]

Scientists Bring Light To Full Stop, Hold It, Then Send It On Its Way
By James Glanz
[URL=http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/18/science/18LIGH]www.nytimes.com/2001/0
1/18/science/18LIGH[/URL]
1-18-01

Researchers say they have slowed light to a dead stop, stored it and then
released it as if it were an ordinary material particle.
The achievement is a landmark feat that, by reining in nature's swiftest and
most ethereal form of energy for the first time, could help realize what are
now theoretical concepts for vastly increasing the speed of computers and
the security of communications.
Two independent teams of physicists have achieved the result, one led by Dr.
Lene Vestergaard Hau of Harvard University and the Rowland Institute for
Science in Cambridge, Mass., and the other by Dr. Ronald L. Walsworth and
Dr. Mikhail D. Lukin of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics,
also in Cambridge.

During the last 300 years, at least 164 separate measurements of the speed
of light have been published. Sixteen different measurement techniques were
used.
"THE SPEED OF LIGHT HAS APPARENTLY DECREASED SO RAPIDLY THAT EXPERMENTAL
ERROR CANNOT EXPLAIN IT!" Astronomer Barry Setterfield
The Atomic Constants, Light, and Time 1987

"NO PHYSICAL LAW PREVENTS ANYTHING FROM EXCEEDING THE SPEED OF LIGHT. IN TWO
PUBLISHED EXPERIMENTS, THE SPEED OF LIGHT WAS APPARENTLY EXCEEDED BY AS MUCH
AS A FACTOR OF 100!"

"Thirty Six Nanoseconds Faster Than Light"
Electronics and Wireless World 1988 pp 1162-1165
"Faster Than Light?" Radio-Electronics pp 55-58.
Also - "New Scientist" April 1, 1995; pp 26-29 "Faster Than What" Newsweek
June 19, 1995 p 67-69
"The speed of light was ten billion times faster at time zero!"
Dr. V.S. Troitskii, Cosmologist at the Radio-physical Research Institute in
Gorky. "Physical Constants and the Evolution of the Universe" Astrophysics
and Space Science , Vol. 139, No. 2, December 1987 pp 389-411.

"A shocking possibility is that the speed of light might change in time
during the life of the universe."
Dr. Joao Magueijo of Imperial College London
[URL=http://www.Sunday-times.co.uk]www.Sunday-times.co.uk[/URL]  12-24-2000
rb - 29 Jun 2003 21:56 GMT
 I guess this would do something to the laws of Physics as we now know
them! Somatoscope anyone?--rb

> On Dr. Carl Baugh's television program; "Creation in the 21st Century" he
> stated that as light from the furthest edges of the universe reached the
[quoted text clipped - 88 lines]
> Scientists Bring Light To Full Stop, Hold It, Then Send It On Its Way
> By James Glanz

[URL=http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/18/science/18LIGH]www.nytimes.com/2001/0
> 1/18/science/18LIGH[/URL]
> 1-18-01
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> Dr. Joao Magueijo of Imperial College London
> [URL=http://www.Sunday-times.co.uk]www.Sunday-times.co.uk[/URL]  12-24-2000
Ilsa Nein - 29 Jun 2003 22:11 GMT
>  I guess this would do something to the laws of Physics as we now know
>them! Somatoscope anyone?--rb

Rb, you can have the somatoscope, along with a hydro-sulfuric enema.
Ilsa Nein - 29 Jun 2003 22:11 GMT
>On Dr. Carl Baugh's television program; "Creation in the 21st Century" he
>stated that as light from the furthest edges of the universe reached the
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
>As much as 10 million times faster 6000 years ago at creation

That is Kraaaazy talk.

Rb, your cheese has had an irreversible dislocation from your cracker.
Cancel your Internet access, call a licensed mental health counselor, take
hardcopy of your usenet postings with you, and get some freakin' help.
rb - 29 Jun 2003 22:35 GMT
> >On Dr. Carl Baugh's television program; "Creation in the 21st Century" he
> >stated that as light from the furthest edges of the universe reached the
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
>   I don't mind you Kingoffer, this is all you can do. You'd look good
though, telling Copernicius to recant or die by some means to do with
sh.t.--rb
Rich Andrews - 04 Jul 2003 15:52 GMT
>> >On Dr. Carl Baugh's television program; "Creation in the 21st Century" he
>> >stated that as light from the furthest edges of the universe reached the
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> though, telling Copernicius to recant or die by some means to do with
> sh.t.--rb

Copernicius could prove his allegations.  You can't.  

r

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rb - 04 Jul 2003 23:07 GMT
> >> >On Dr. Carl Baugh's television program; "Creation in the 21st Century" he
> >> >stated that as light from the furthest edges of the universe reached the
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
> I bet you can't prove Copernicius allegations either.--rb
> r
WubbaBubba - 30 Jun 2003 00:09 GMT
>On Dr. Carl Baugh's television program; "Creation in the 21st Century" he
>stated that as light from the furthest edges of the universe reached the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>The Doppler effect could be caused by the degradation of the speed of light
>as well.

The speed of light (C) is constant as are the wavelengths of
visible light. Very basic physical laws there.

Read any high school physics text to learn what the
Doppler Effect actually is.
Train sounds are a good way to start. Go play on the tracks.
Another good experimentation site is the nearest Interstate.
You can play "dodge car" there.

Hint: The effect is also used as a basis for weather radar.
rb - 30 Jun 2003 00:21 GMT
> >On Dr. Carl Baugh's television program; "Creation in the 21st Century" he
> >stated that as light from the furthest edges of the universe reached the
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Hint: The effect is also used as a basis for weather radar.

  Sir;
     Way greater brains than your's have proposed these theories! You go
tell them to play on the train tracks seeings you think they're such mental
midgets. BTW, do you think Einstein knew it all? What, do you confuse him
with god?--rb
Bronsing - 30 Jun 2003 07:54 GMT
> >On Dr. Carl Baugh's television program; "Creation in the 21st Century" he
> >stated that as light from the furthest edges of the universe reached the
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Hint: The effect is also used as a basis for weather radar.

Blood-flow measurement!!

--

Robert Bronsing

Can't you see?
It all makes perfect sense,
expressed in dollars and cents, pounds, shillings and pence

(R. Waters)
Peter Bowditch - 30 Jun 2003 03:23 GMT
>On Dr. Carl Baugh's television program; "Creation in the 21st Century" he
>stated that as light from the furthest edges of the universe reached the
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>of light has followed a cosecant-squared curve with a correlation
>coefficient of better than 99%.

Even Answers in Genesis is backing away from the "speed of light
slowing" story.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp

Listed among "Which arguments should definitely not be used?"

Many of Carl Baugh’s creation ‘evidences’. Sorry to say, AiG thinks
that he’s well meaning but that he unfortunately uses a lot of
material that is not sound scientifically. So we advise against
relying on any ‘evidence’ he provides, unless supported by creationist
organisations with reputations for Biblical and scientific rigour.
Unfortunately, there are talented creationist speakers with reasonably
orthodox understandings of Genesis (e.g. Kent Hovind) who continue to
promote some of the Wyatt and Baugh ‘evidences’ despite being
approached on the matter

Listed among "What arguments are doubtful, hence inadvisable to use?"

‘The speed of light has decreased over time’ (c decay). Although most
of the evolutionary counter-arguments have been proven to be
fallacious, there are still a number of problems, many of which were
raised by creationists, which we believe have not been satisfactorily
answered. AiG currently prefers Dr Russell Humphreys’ explanation for
distant starlight, although neither AiG nor Dr Humphreys claims that
his model is infallible.

--
Peter Bowditch peterb@ratbags.com
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greatscottskincream.com - 30 Jun 2003 16:41 GMT
In a given parameter...all things being equal. It has been discovered that
light, may in fact, have more than one speed. A group of young students at
MIT in the mid 60's, discovered this but were squelched by the US gestapo.
It wasn't until many years later, that two of the young men students meet in
a bible study class and were intrigued by a bible text from Habakkuk 3:4.
This is parapharased here: "God had two rays issuing out of his hand, and
there the hinding of his strength was."
This inspired these men to pursue the idea that this 'ray / laser' in God's
hand was likely similar to a laser gun...  with the second laser controlling
the distructive laser beam, like an on/off switch. It may also control it's
intensity.
Today, I have heard, that these men are pursuing the application of two or
more light speeds or two or more laser speeds in computer design.  It is
thought and heard by them, that a new computer design using this 'laser
concept' to control the on/off switching that silicon now uses is being
developed.  Many of the needed patents are already acquired, with only a few
left to acquired.

The application are staggering. Can you imagine a computer operating at a
speed of ten thousand or even thirty thousand times faster than anything
today?
WOW!
So, I feel that the answer to your question is, YES.

Thank You
Glenn Mouser
Boise, Idaho
1-208-863-9648

> >On Dr. Carl Baugh's television program; "Creation in the 21st Century" he
> >stated that as light from the furthest edges of the universe reached the
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
> The Millenium Project    http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
> The Green Light          http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
David Wright - 01 Jul 2003 04:26 GMT
>In a given parameter...all things being equal. It has been discovered that
>light, may in fact, have more than one speed.

It has a vast number of speeds, depending upon the medium through
which it is propagating.  The usual "speed of light" value refers
to the speed of light in a vacuum.  In any other medium, the speed
of light is less than in a vacuum.  As far as I know, the slowest
speed of light that anyone has managed thus far is a few hundred miles
per hour.

>Today, I have heard, that these men are pursuing the application of two or
>more light speeds or two or more laser speeds in computer design.  It is
>thought and heard by them, that a new computer design using this 'laser
>concept' to control the on/off switching that silicon now uses is being
>developed.  Many of the needed patents are already acquired, with only a few
>left to acquired.

You may have heard this, but that doesn't mean it's true.  And
patenting something doesn't mean it works.  Certainly there is a
lot of interest in optical computing (and at least as much in
optical switching), but I don't think it's quite there yet as a
usable technology.  If anyone manages it, though, they'll have
to go out and buy some railroad cars to hold all their money.

>The application are staggering. Can you imagine a computer operating at a
>speed of ten thousand or even thirty thousand times faster than anything
>today?

Could this be some weird misinterpretation of quantum computing?
Also, improved switching speeds don't mean anyone has exceeded c.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
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      "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
          were standing on my shoulders."  (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Rich Andrews - 04 Jul 2003 16:20 GMT
>>In a given parameter...all things being equal. It has been discovered
>>that light, may in fact, have more than one speed.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> speed of light that anyone has managed thus far is a few hundred miles
> per hour.

Actually they have slowed light down more than that because of the medium
through which it was travelling.

>>Today, I have heard, that these men are pursuing the application of two
>>or more light speeds or two or more laser speeds in computer design.  It
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> usable technology.  If anyone manages it, though, they'll have
> to go out and buy some railroad cars to hold all their money.

Light or photon computing is old stuff and compared to quantum computing is
like comparing a pentium to a pile of rocks.


>>The application are staggering. Can you imagine a computer operating at
>>a speed of ten thousand or even thirty thousand times faster than
>>anything today?
>
> Could this be some weird misinterpretation of quantum computing?
> Also, improved switching speeds don't mean anyone has exceeded c.

To date no one has exceeded 'c' and no one can.  Even the warp drive/worm
hole theory holds that c is a constant.

Relativistic math can be fun.  It is the only place where intuition says
1+1=2 but reality says  w = (u + v)/(1 + uv/c2).

r

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