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An illusion to large it will escape their perception

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Carole - 07 Oct 2004 16:48 GMT
THE SECRET COVENANT  
http://user.pa.net/~drivera/fwappa.htm 

Below is an interesting piece that I came across during my travels.
Note the paras marked with (*) several lines into the piece which
perfectly describes the poisoning of our society.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
________________________

An illusion it will be, so large, so vast, it will escape their
perception.
Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.
We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the
connection between us.
We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive.
Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring
suspicion upon ourselves. This will also prevent them from seeing the
changes as they occur.
We will always stand above the relative field of their experience for
we know the secrets of the absolute.
We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and
secrecy. Death will come to he who speaks.

We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while
pretending to do the opposite.
We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so
they will never see what is happening.

* We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food
and water, and also in the air.
* They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.
* The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will promise
to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more
poison.
* The poisons will be absorbed through their skin and mouths, and they
will destroy their minds and reproductive systems.
* From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will conceal
this information.
* The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in
what they drink, eat, breathe and wear.
* We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they can see far.
* We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and
musical tones.
* Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our
poisons.

* They will see our products being used in film and will grow
accustomed to them and will never know their true effect.
* When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood of their
children and convince them it’s for their help.
* We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will target
their children with what children love most, sweet things.
* When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals that will kill
their mind and steal their future.

* When their ability to learn has been affected, we will create
medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for which
we will create yet more medicine.

* We will render them docile and weak before us by our power.
* They will grow depressed, slow and obese; and when they come to us
for help, we will give them more poison.

We will focus their attention toward money and material goods so they
may never connect with their inner self. We will distract them with
fornication, external pleasures and games so they may never be one
with the oneness of it all.

Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say. If they
refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology into
their lives. We will use fear as our weapon.

We will establish their governments and establish opposites within. We
will own both sides.

We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan.
They will perform the labor for us and we shall prosper from their
toil.
Our families will never mix with theirs. Our blood must be pure
always, for it is the way.

We will make them kill each other when it suits us.
We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion.
We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think
and how.

We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are
guiding themselves.

We will foment animosity between them through our factions.
When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by
ridicule, or death, whichever suits us best.

We will make them rip each other's hearts apart and kill their own
children.
We will accomplish this by using hate as our ally, and anger as our
friend.

The hate will blind them totally, and never shall they see that from
their conflicts we emerge as their rulers. They will be busy killing
each other.

They will bathe in their own blood and kill their neighbors for as
long as we see fit.
We will benefit greatly from this, for they will not see us, for they
cannot see us.

We will continue to prosper from their wars and their deaths.
We shall repeat this over and over until our ultimate goal is
accomplished.
We will continue to make them live in fear and anger though images and
sounds.
We will use all the tools we have to accomplish this.

The tools will be provided by their labor.
We will make them hate themselves and their neighbors.

We will always hide the divine truth from them, that we are all one.
This they must never know!
They must never know that color is an illusion; they must always think
they are not equal.

Drop by drop, drop by drop we will advance our goal.
We will take over their land, resources and wealth to exercise total
control over them.

We will deceive them into accepting laws that will steal the little
freedom they will have.

We will establish a money system that will imprison them forever,
keeping them and their children in debt.

When they shall band together, we shall accuse them of crimes and
present a different story to the world for we shall own all the media.

We will use our media to control the flow of information and their
sentiment in our favor.

When they shall rise up against us we will crush them like insects,
for they are less than that.

They will be helpless to do anything for they will have no weapons.

We will recruit some of their own to carry out our plans, we will
promise them eternal life, but eternal life they will never have for
they are not of us.

The recruits will be called “initiates” and will be
indoctrinated to believe false rites of passage to higher realms.
Members of these groups will think they are one with us never knowing
the truth. They must never learn this truth for they will turn against
us.

For their work they will be rewarded with earthly things and great
titles, but never will they become immortal and join us, never will
they receive the light and travel the stars.

They will never reach the higher realms, for the killing of their own
kind will prevent passage to the realm of enlightenment. This they
will never know.

The truth will be hidden in their face, so close they will not be able
to focus on it until it’s too late.

Oh yes, so grand the illusion of freedom will be, that they will never
know they are our slaves.

When all is in place, the reality we will have created for them will
own them. This reality will be their prison. They will live in
self-delusion.

When our goal is accomplished a new era of domination will begin.

Their minds will be bound by their beliefs, the beliefs we have
established from time immemorial.

But if they ever find out they are our equal, we shall perish then.
This they must never know.

If they ever find out that together they can vanquish us, they will
take action.

They must never, ever find out what we have done, for if they do, we
shall have no place to run, for it will be easy to see who we are once
the veil has fallen. Our actions will have revealed who we are and
they will hunt us down and no person shall give us shelter.

This is the secret covenant by which we shall live the rest of our
present and future lives, for this reality will transcend many
generations and life spans.   
This covenant must never, ever be known to exist. It must never, ever
be written or spoken of, for if it is, the consciousness it will spawn
will release the fury of the prime creator upon us, and we shall be
cast to the depths from whence we came and remain there until the end
time of infinity itself.

This covenant is sealed by blood, our blood– We, the ones who
from heaven to earth came.
Mark Thorson - 08 Oct 2004 15:54 GMT
> THE SECRET COVENANT
> http://user.pa.net/~drivera/fwappa.htm
>
> Below is an interesting piece that I came across during my travels.
> Note the paras marked with (*) several lines into the piece which
> perfectly describes the poisoning of our society.

First, that link doesn't work.

Second, you omitted a very important part of the essay
that you posted, which can be seen in its complete form
here:

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/control.htm

What you edited out is that it's a REPTILIAN conspiracy.
You know, those scaly green things that disguise themselves
as human beings.  Could be you, me, the person next door,
or even the Queen of England!
Carole - 08 Oct 2004 23:32 GMT
> > THE SECRET COVENANT
> > http://user.pa.net/~drivera/fwappa.htm
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> First, that link doesn't work.

It does sometimes. Sometimes information is suppressed but you can use
what is called a gateway site, where you type in the url and it lets
you access it from there. Try http://www.searchbash.com .  On this
website you can enter the url in the Keyword box at the top of the
page.

> Second, you omitted a very important part of the essay
> that you posted, which can be seen in its complete form
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> as human beings.  Could be you, me, the person next door,
> or even the Queen of England!

I still haven't worked out the reptilian conspiracy. It does sound a
bit far fetched and I can't see the relevance of including it in the
argument. I've read a bit about reptilians but don't know what to
think. Have you got any thoughts on the subject?

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
Mark Thorson - 09 Oct 2004 01:19 GMT
> I still haven't worked out the reptilian conspiracy. It does
> sound a bit far fetched and I can't see the relevance of
> including it in the argument.

You can't see the relevance?  No, of course not.

> I've read a bit about reptilians but don't know what to
> think. Have you got any thoughts on the subject?

It seems unlikely, but if true, the consequences are
of the gravest magnitude.  As a society, we can afford
to have exactly one person on guard against that possibility.
That person should be YOU, Carole!  Unless . . .

We certainly can't have as our guardian someone who
is herself a reptile-human hybrid.  As the reptilians use
GLOBAL WARMING to convert the environment of our planet
to become more like that of their home world, we must
watch out for the infiltrators in our midst.  They are most
comfortable in hot arid conditions, and are dependent on
their CELL SALTS to handle the wetness of our blue planet.

How do we know you're not reptilian, Carole?  Even if
you believe you're not, how do you know your parents
told you the truth?  How do you even know they were
your parents?  Can you survive without cell salts?  What
happens when the weather turns cold?  Do you shiver
and draw the blankets more tightly around you?  Do you
ever have patches of dry, scaly skin?
Carole - 20 Oct 2004 15:08 GMT
> > I still haven't worked out the reptilian conspiracy. It does
> > sound a bit far fetched and I can't see the relevance of
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> and draw the blankets more tightly around you?  Do you
> ever have patches of dry, scaly skin?

Simple Mark, we're talking about shape shifting reptilians and I've
never seen myself shape shift. It'd be fun to be able to but no luck.

Some more info on shape shifting and David Icke's book, the Biggest
Secret which the information is from.
http://www.geocities.com/wakeupworldwakeup/wuw-049.htm

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
Mark Thorson - 20 Oct 2004 15:42 GMT
> > How do we know you're not reptilian, Carole?
>
> Simple Mark, we're talking about shape shifting reptilians
> and I've never seen myself shape shift. It'd be fun to be
> able to but no luck.

But how do you know you can't?  If you don't
believe you can, that could be holding you back.
I don't think you could expect it to occur
spontaneously, any more than you could find
yourself riding a bicycle spontaneously.
Orac - 21 Oct 2004 00:30 GMT
> > > I still haven't worked out the reptilian conspiracy. It does
> > > sound a bit far fetched and I can't see the relevance of
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> Simple Mark, we're talking about shape shifting reptilians and I've
> never seen myself shape shift. It'd be fun to be able to but no luck.

But how do you know you can't?

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Carole - 27 Oct 2004 04:06 GMT
*** repost, because I got an error when I posted last time. It could
show up twice but what the heck. Others repeat more worthless info
than this post.

> > Simple Mark, we're talking about shape shifting reptilians and I've
> > never seen myself shape shift. It'd be fun to be able to but no luck.
>
> But how do you know you can't?

I don't even think shape shifting reptilians exist. See the above link
to David Icke's website.

But you deviate from the original intent of the posting.
Read about the poisons in our society and see if it doesn't sound like
what is happening in the world. It also sounds like it was a
deliberate plot, hatched long ago for some devious hard to fathom
purpose.

But why dismiss it because we can't see why somebody would commit such
a devious plot? If everything in that piece rings true and it would
seem that it could have been written by somebody who knows what is
going on. Instead of dismissing it, it would be more appropriate to
look for other pieces of the jigsaw puzzle.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
Orac - 27 Oct 2004 12:26 GMT
> *** repost, because I got an error when I posted last time. It could
> show up twice but what the heck. Others repeat more worthless info
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> But you deviate from the original intent of the posting.

Not at all. My point was that David Icke's paranoid ideas are only
slightly more ridiculous than much of the conspiracy theory stuff that
gets posted here.

> Read about the poisons in our society and see if it doesn't sound like
> what is happening in the world. It also sounds like it was a
> deliberate plot, hatched long ago for some devious hard to fathom
> purpose.

No.

Personally, when looking for an explanation for bad happenings,
incompetence and the darker aspects of human nature are more than
adequate to explain them at least 99% of the time.

> But why dismiss it because we can't see why somebody would commit such
> a devious plot?

Because there's no good evidence for it.

> If everything in that piece rings true and it would
> seem that it could have been written by somebody who knows what is
> going on.

"Rings true" is not good enough. Almost all conspiracy theories "ring
true." That is how they are constructed, whether intentionally or
subconsciously. They are also almost always constructed in a way that
they can neither be definitively proven (what good is a conspiracy that
can't be definitively proven, eh?) nor definitively debunked.

>Instead of dismissing it, it would be more appropriate to
> look for other pieces of the jigsaw puzzle.

Knock yourself out. You'll always be able find things that seem to be
"other pieces of the jigsaw puzzle" if you want them to be. That doesn't
mean there actually IS a jigsaw puzzle.

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Mark Thorson - 28 Oct 2004 03:25 GMT
> I don't even think shape shifting reptilians exist. See the above
> link to David Icke's website.

Of course they don't exisssssst.

> But you deviate from the original intent of the posting.

Yessss, you don't want to mention what it ssssssays
at the top of the page, above the essssssay.

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/control.htm

> Read about the poisons in our society and see if it doesn't sound
> like what is happening in the world.

And if that part is true, the rest of it must be
true?  So to convince you that something false
is true, all I have to do is surround it with
other stuff that is true?  And like a sandwich,
you'd swallow the whole thing?

> It also sounds like it was a deliberate plot,
> hatched long ago for some devious hard to
> fathom purpose.

So why do you want to only pay attention
to the part about the poisons, but ignore
the part about the REPTILIANS?
If both parts are equally true, I'd find the
second part to be far more deserving
of attention.  For one thing, it could
explain the purpose you find hard to
fathom.  Suddenly, it becomes OBVIOUS
what they're up to.  They want GLOBAL
WARMING until our planet is like their planet.
And, they want to remove the ozone layer
so your scaleless pink body will be cooked
with ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT.  Starting with
Australia!

> But why dismiss it because we can't see why somebody
> would commit such a devious plot?

Who says we can't?  Pink.

> If everything in that piece rings true and it would
> seem that it could have been written by somebody
> who knows what is going on.

Or it is what they want you to think is going on.
Maybe the whole essay was written by one party,
and a second party took it and tacked on the
REPTILIAN CONSPIRACY title above the
essay -- in an attempt to discredit the essay by making it
look as though it came from someone with crazy ideas.

Maybe the essay itself is made of bits and pieces from
three or four authors, modified and edited in various
ways.  How would you know whether the essay
(and title above it) was the product of one person,
or two or three or more?

> Instead of dismissing it, it would be more appropriate
> to look for other pieces of the jigsaw puzzle.

How do you know they aren't feeding you pieces
one-by-one, in a planned sequence?  They know
that you are more likely to believe an idea if you
think it is your own idea.  By feeding you pieces
that obviously fit together, they will cause you to
reach conclusions that you think are your own
conclusions -- but they are actually the conclusions
they had PLANNED for you to discover.

Maybe none of your ideas are original.  Maybe
all of your ideas were implanted by radio, TV, and
the Internet coming from one great big computer.
Sometimes the computer pretends it's me, sometimes
it's somebody else -- all of the personalities in
misc.health.alternative are coming from one source
pretending to be multiple sources.  Every newsgroup
and every website you've ever seen are all created
to convince you of whatever ideas we wish to implant in you.

The reptilians don't exisssst.  Yesssss. . . .  Very good.
Orac - 28 Oct 2004 04:52 GMT
> > Read about the poisons in our society and see if it doesn't sound
> > like what is happening in the world.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> other stuff that is true?  And like a sandwich,
> you'd swallow the whole thing?

But that's exactly how conspiracy theories work, isn't it? They
frequently are filled with "facts." It's just that the facts are often
arranged in a deceptive way and are peppered with things that are false.
To those who are not familiar with the issues involved, it is difficult
to tell what parts of the conspiracy theory involve facts and which
parts are false.

[Snip]
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Carole - 29 Oct 2004 00:44 GMT
>  
> > > Read about the poisons in our society and see if it doesn't sound
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> [Snip]

Not really. The conspiracy theories begin with a piece of information
that doesn't fit the official story. But of course where the people
unreservedly accept what they are told by experts and reliable sources
this won't happen.
The only way a person can become a conspiracy theorist is if they
question official stories and look for inconsistencies.

There is a lot of disinformation and spin. This is designed to confuse
the issue and get people to give up because it is too difficult to
work out.
Personally I don't think reality is half as complicated as they make
it out to be. Why has the US got over 1 billion pieces of legislation
and why do people need lawyers? Why are the tax laws so complicated
that only an accountant has any hope of filling out forms? Because
they want ordinary people to give their powers away to experts. And
then the experts are all threatened with deregulation if they don't do
the right thing by the system.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
Peter Bowditch - 28 Oct 2004 04:56 GMT
>> I don't even think shape shifting reptilians exist. See the above
>> link to David Icke's website.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Yessss, you don't want to mention what it ssssssays
>at the top of the page, above the essssssay.

For as long as I can remember, right back to my childhood, my
favourite word has been "lizard". I was born on an equinox, the day
which marks the mid-point between the times when it is too hot and too
cold for an exothermic creature. Not only that, but it was the equinox
following the first sightings of extra-terrestrial spacecraft. Jan has
pointed out that I am mentioned by name on David Icke's web site in
the context of my relationship with the Illuminati, that great secret
society of reptilian shape-shifters. I have Rh negative blood.

One day I would like to invite Carole to sit on my flat rock with me.
We could drink copious quantities of beer (I love the hissssss when
you take off the bottle cap) and discuss philosophy. Perhaps the drink
will drive away our inhibitions and we might become amorous. I must
stop now, as these thoughts are causing shape changes to my body.

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Ilena Rose - 28 Oct 2004 14:01 GMT
>One day I would like to invite Carole to sit on my flat rock with me.
>We could drink copious quantities of beer (I love the hissssss when
>you take off the bottle cap) and discuss philosophy. Perhaps the drink
>will drive away our inhibitions and we might become amorous.

Watch it Ratz!

You're going to get Vera jealous!
Carole - 29 Oct 2004 00:27 GMT
I had a posting error, so will repost at the risk of repeating myself.

> > I don't even think shape shifting reptilians exist. See the above
> > link to David Icke's website.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> other stuff that is true?  And like a sandwich,
> you'd swallow the whole thing?

Not exactly, but the nature of our existence as given by the
authorities isn't true. So where do you look? ... not religion, not
government authorities, not expert opinion - they're all fitting in
with the same corrupt system.

The only thing a person can do is start working it out for themselves
from scratch. I keep these bits of information in mind as
possibilities and see if there is any other information that support
or refutes it. And in this way I built up a picture of a likely
reality.

Because there are people out there who know what is really going on,
and from time to time there are slip-ups and leaks. I think this
Illuminati covenant might be one of them.

> > It also sounds like it was a deliberate plot,
> > hatched long ago for some devious hard to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> to the part about the poisons, but ignore
> the part about the REPTILIANS?

I don't think the secret covenant actually mentions reptilians.
THE SECRET COVENANT  
http://user.pa.net/~drivera/fwappa.htm

> If both parts are equally true, I'd find the
> second part to be far more deserving
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Who says we can't?  Pink.

Did I say you couldn't dismiss it?

> > If everything in that piece rings true and it would
> > seem that it could have been written by somebody
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> essay -- in an attempt to discredit the essay by making it
> look as though it came from someone with crazy ideas.

This is a good point worth considering. But first of all it is
necessary to examine the secret covenant in its own right. Obviously
you can keep it in mind that it might be a planted piece of
propaganda, but examine it first to see what the points are and then
work out who would be using them for what.

Obviously this all takes time, and is extremely tedious and people
can't be bothered, but why not, its something to do. If all the
information that has been discovered wasn't suppressed, we'd be doing
a lot more than dwelling on what might and might not be suppressed.
But that's what we've come to - trying to figure out what is or isn't
suppressed.

> Maybe the essay itself is made of bits and pieces from
> three or four authors, modified and edited in various
> ways.  How would you know whether the essay
> (and title above it) was the product of one person,
> or two or three or more?

You wouldn't really. It could be totally fabricated from different
sources.
However, bits and pieces of it and I'm thinking more of the health
aspects when I say that, that it leads me to think that whoever wrote
it, or from wherever it was compiled may have truth in it other than
health. Until I can see some falsity in it, I will keep examining it
as possible truth.

> > Instead of dismissing it, it would be more appropriate
> > to look for other pieces of the jigsaw puzzle.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> conclusions -- but they are actually the conclusions
> they had PLANNED for you to discover.

Good point. Would you believe that is what our media does? This is how
society is molded and shaped to go along with being more and more
enslaved without realising it? So we've got nothing to lose. If you
stay with the current system of depending on experts and mass media
sources, you're definitely being fed crap. With the secret covenant
you have a chance of it being truth.

> Maybe none of your ideas are original.  Maybe
> all of your ideas were implanted by radio, TV, and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> and every website you've ever seen are all created
> to convince you of whatever ideas we wish to implant in you.

You put some good points and obviously do some thinking about issues.
I haven't figured out everything, and maybe nobody has but we can
figure out some things and just have to go with them for now.
Gradually we work out more about the nature of reality.

> The reptilians don't exisssst.  Yesssss. . . .  Very good.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/cartels.htm
David Wright - 31 Oct 2004 18:22 GMT
>I had a posting error, so will repost at the risk of repeating myself.
>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>or refutes it. And in this way I built up a picture of a likely
>reality.

No, you don't.  You seize on conspiracy-oriented web sites and simply
assume that they must be correct.

In a sense, it doesn't much matter which side *you* take, because
you're equally ignorant on every axis.  Your support, or your
condemnation, are equally vaporous.

>Because there are people out there who know what is really going on,
>and from time to time there are slip-ups and leaks. I think this
>Illuminati covenant might be one of them.

If the conspiracies were as sweeping and as well-organized as you like
to think, there'd be no such slip-ups.  Any slip-ups would simply
result in the disappearance of whoever made the mistakes.

You're incredibly credulous, Carole.  You'll believe almost anything
if it just has "conspiracy" tattooed on it.  I've seen you be trolled
and take the bait utterly.  The person who did it is a notorious
joker, and I was actually a little surprised that even someone as
thick as you would fall for it, but you did.  

No, I won't tell you who it was.  Go figure it out for yourself, if
you're such a great researcher.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
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      "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
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p.s.  Don't forget to check under your bed for reptilians every
     night.  They're *everywhere*.
 
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