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encoderX - 18 Sep 2004 16:26 GMT

Hi

I'm from the UK. I have been to the docs and he said I have a blocked
salivary gland and was put on amoxicillin for the week.

While I'm waiting to goto hospital to have it sorted as apparently stones
can form inside and block it so sometimes have to be manually removed if it
doesn't remove itself after sucking on citrus fruits (as I have and
continue to do).

I'm looking for a natural/herbal antibiotic (if required) to be on while I
get this sorted or any other recommended similar.

Can anyone please give some advice on what I should be aiming at or looking
for and or doing until I get to the herbalist on Monday.

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makinit man - 20 Sep 2004 02:40 GMT

> Hi
>
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> Can anyone please give some advice on what I should be aiming at or looking
> for and or doing until I get to the herbalist on Monday.

I passed one many years ago from under my tongue and I can tell you it
felt weird.
I'm thinking antibiotics may not be needed. In fact, they may prevent
some help from certain bacteria used to help eject it. I would increase
my intake of oils (olive etc.) and fluids, do tongue exercises and
manual rubbing under your chin, and the citrus thing before bed.

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petergabreil - 27 Sep 2004 13:09 GMT

> Hi
>
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> Can anyone please give some advice on what I should be aiming at or looking
> for and or doing until I get to the herbalist on Monday.

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TaskForce 626 - 27 Sep 2004 16:36 GMT

Dear Sirs,

This person, Peter Gabreil, is abusing a non-commercial newsgroup,
Misc.Health.Alternatives, by advertising. Please see the end of this quoted
post for the advertisement and the full headers.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

>> Hi
>>
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>From: petergabreil@hotmail.com (petergabreil)
>Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
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>X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
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petergabreil - 29 Sep 2004 05:39 GMT

> Dear Sirs,
>
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> >X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
> >NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:09:56 +0000 (UTC)

Dear All,
i did not exactely mean to abuse this group or to any person
individually i was just trying to provide as much information as i can
regarding health. if my effort hurts anyone in this group or abuses
i extremly sorry i did 't mean that.best regards

Peter Gabreil

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TaskForce 626 - 29 Sep 2004 21:32 GMT

>Dear All,
>i did not exactely mean to abuse this group or to any person
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>
> Peter Gabreil

Peter,

I'm willing to accept that you may have been unaware that it is highly illegal
to spam a non-commercial newsgroup. You may not have realized just how
important & tightly regulated Misc.Health.Alternative is.

However, you have posted so many obvious lies, assumed different names to
provide false testimonials, and are promoting worthless products. In other
words, you are a deceitful, lying, a.shole.

If you persist in spamming this newsgroup, you risk severe penalties including
stiff fines, imprisonment, and involuntary surgery.

Do not anger the MHA faithful!

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Jan - 30 Sep 2004 02:06 GMT

>Subject: Re: Anti-biotics
>From: jkingoff@aol.com

>Do not anger the MHA faithful!

>deceitful, lying, a.shole.

====
Hey, a.shole, what is your f.cking problem? When has Aribert said anything
that would portray him as a Nazi? You sit there with your head in the sand &
up your a.s, in silence, when Jan Drew demonizes Jews, Catholics, and the
medical profession as a whole. Yet, you choose to call Aribert a Nazi because
he doesn't fancy homeopathy.

> Anth, you are a f.cking jack-a.s. You can take that as constructive

criticism or you can take it as a sharp-edged suppository.
==
Why don't you take this opportunity to cease & desist playing with yourself?
==

From: Ilsa Nein (ilsa9w@aol.com5554)
Subject: Re: As dense as, well, mercury
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Date: 2002-12-20 10:06:46 PST

JBain, sodomizing logic, wrote:

>That is the point. CM does not learn by it's mistakes, only individual
>practitioners do.

John, it appears that recent attack on the nativity scene has left you with a
nasty spirochete infection that is attacking what is left of your sanity.

Now, go back to writing up your spurious Randi Challenge application. You know
you have no intent on following through and you know that you can't demonstrate
your claims.

Merry Christmas, Sodomus Maximus.

From: Ilsa9 (ilsa9w@aol.comEOM)
Subject: Re: Peter Moran Shows His Anger (again)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2003-12-29 15:17:03 PST

>"Happy Dog" <happydog@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
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>from him for a couple of weeks at least. I hope nothing serious has
>happened to him.

****He & John Bain are spending the holidays together.
It is a troubled time for live nativity scenes.****

From: Ilsa Nein (ilsa9w@aol.com5554)
Subject: Re: change eye color
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Date: 2003-03-14 10:27:16 PST

<snip>

>People who violate nativity scenes shouldn't do anything but rot in jail.

From: Ilsa Nein (ilsa9w@aol.com5554)
Subject: Re: Other questions for Michele
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Date: 2003-01-25 08:16:19 PST

I hope it wasn't abused the way JBain abuses nativity scenes....

From: Ilsa Nein (ilsa9w@aol.com5554)
Subject: Re: Quack Barrett and Quack Sampson are NOT qualified
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Date: 2003-01-15 05:59:21 PST

<snip>

JBain????? I'd be surprised, but I wouldn't put it past him considering his
actions vis-a-vis nativity scenes.....

From: Ilsa Nein (ilsa9w@aol.com5554)
Subject: Re: It's Hulda Clark Bashing time AGAIN
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Date: 2003-01-03 12:41:18 PST

<snip>

Not a single, f.cking thing. JBain is too busy violating nativity scenes and
sodomizing logic.
===

John,

>I hope that you develop many serious disabilities.
>
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>
>Why, because you are a VILE, SPAMMING, PIECE OF sh.t.

From: Ilsa Nein (ilsa9w@aol.com5554)
Subject: Re: Deconstructing Atlas, Part I
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2001-09-12 11:45:04 PST

From: Ilsa Nein (ilsa9w@aol.com5554)
Subject: Re: Un- Deconstructing Atlas and the Rest
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2001-09-21 18:45:53 PST

From: Ilsa Nein (ilsa9w@aol.com5554)
Subject: Re: Zapper Hucksters Get Zapped
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2001-12-31 16:22:51 PST

>People who make, sell, or use Hulda's products or follow her advice should go

straight to hell and burn for seven eternities.

From: Ilsa Nein (ilsa9w@aol.com5554)
Subject: Re: In My Humble Opinion Only
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2002-01-17 09:11:22 PST

>That is such a self-serving piece of spam that I hope it sticks in your

throat,
forcing Todd Gastaldo to perform an emergency epesiotomy on you.

>Leave MHA. Stop spamming. Rot in Hell.

From: Ilsa Nein (ilsa9w@aol.com5554)
Subject: Re: In My Humble Opinion Only
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2002-01-18 12:06:51 PST

>F*** you and the horse you rode off on....

>>> Uh, dumbass,
>Deconstructing Atlas
>a.s clown.
>I apologize for not calling you an ignorant f.ck-face as often as you deserve

it.

>Cher,
>I apologize for not calling a vile, f.cking spammer as often as you deserve

it.

Andrew Kingoff <akingoff@cfl.rr.com> writes:
> jbainsi@aol.com (John Bain) wrote:
>>In this case, Andrew stated that the Florida statutes defined
'disharmonies'.
>>It is obvious from the statutes, which are on-line, that they do not.
>There is no need to bother anyone else.

>Wrong again, John. I gave the number for the Acupuncture Board. Do
>you think they won't know the scope of practice or that disharmonies
>(acupuncture diagnoses) are valid diagnoses in Florida?

That is not what you said, Andrew.
You insisted that 'disharmonies' were defined in the Florida statutes. They
are not.

>Do you think
>that my school's academic dean wouldn't know our licensing and
>accreditation?

Quite irrelevant, the legal definition of disharmonies is the issue..

>This is sad, John. You hate sarcasm so badly that
>you are willing to lie in order to call me a liar.

You are the one who said 'disharmonies' was defined in the Florida statutes.
Do you deny this? kaalga has posted and reposted your exact words.

>You know that licensing board & my school's academic dean
>are VALID sources on this topic. You are lying in order to further
>Kaalga's lie and demonstrate that beautifully in your Evasion
>of confirmation. Bad Boy, Johnny!

They have nothing to do with the Florida Statutes, which are available on-line
for anyone to read.
Unfortunately you eiither cannot understand them, or you are a liar.

>>He hopes we will give up and go on to another topic and let him get away
>>with deliberately trying to deceive.

>Yes, that is my motive for posting the phone# of the licensing board.
>I'm hoping to obscure the topic by insisting that you confirm my
>claims.

Exactly, the licensing board is not responsible for the Florida Statutes.
They license.

>I have contacted Habib who has agreed to call my school on behalf
>of the NG. He will ask the academic dean the pertinate questions
>and any others have may have and will post the results. He will be
>back from vacation around the 14th, so it will posted sometime after
>that.

What questions, Andrew. The only answer we wish from you is the number of the
Florida statute which defines 'disharmonies' or an apology for stating it did.
That is the issue and you will not be allowed to evade it.

>I understand your weakness in not being able to separate the messenger
>from the facts. You represent this constantly and not just on this
>topic.

Only messengers who deliberately lie to try and win points.

> You are blinded by your aversion to my prior sarcasm that
>you simply must label me a liar.

No, your words make the case. You said 'disharmonies' was defined in the
Florida statutes. It is not. You lied to make a point.

>You have gone so far as to
>speculate that my school wouldn't have anyone who could handle the
>call without even anecdotal evidence. Ditto for the State Board.

Please tell us why you think there is an expert in the Florida Statutes at your
school and which statute they would refer us to. Ditto the licensing board.

All we need is the statute number for 'disharmonies' and they can not supply
that because it does not exist.

>So, if Habib told you he called my school, spoke with the Dean, and
>confirmed what I said, would you accept Habib's word?

Not without the statute number. We are only interested in the number of the
statute which defines 'disharmonies'.

>Even if you
>don't believe the information itself, would you not accept his account
>of the incident as far as what he asked & heard?

Irrelevant, Statute number is all we need. But we have already examined the
statutes and there is no reference to 'disharmonies' there.

>If you won't take my word nor that of the institutions involved nor
>that of a neutral 3rd party, then you have clearly labeled your
>position.

Statute number or apology. Our position is perfectly clear. You stated
several times that 'disharmonies' was defined in the Florida statutes. Either
give us the statute number or aplologise for making the mistake.

Perfectly simple Andrew. Stop dodging the issue. Admit you made a mistake.
Or be branded a liar.
==============================
(this is what I received from my query)

Disharmonies" is not defined in 457 or 64B1 which is the Acupuncture statute
and rules. He must have found a definition in a statute that I am unfamiliar
with. If you would like to file a complaint, you may contact our complaint
section at: 850-414-7209. "Disharmonies" is not listed in the scope of practice
of an acupuncturist.

That's barely a start.

>Loser!

Andrew/Ilsa is just one of life's failures.His sole purpose in life is to serve
to remind decent folk what decent really means.I guess you could say that his
role creates comfort for many people so thatthey can read what comes up from
the bottom of the cesspool.It is a tough job Andrew has taken on but he
certainly is imminently qualified to wade up to his neck in the wastage of his
own life.

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