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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / August 2004Ronnie Hawkins cured of cancer
'Rompin' Ronnie Hawkins the rockabillie icon and favorite musician of Bill Clinton, has been cured of cancer. Two years ago he was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and given no hope of recovery. When the news was announced that he had only three or four months left to live, a filmaker by the name of Anne Pick started documenting the last days of his life. There was a tearful tribute concert in Toronto last year to bid farewell to "The Hawk". Hawkins went on a regimen of nutritional supplements and pot, and brags he never took a single pain killer. Seventeen months later, a gifted, 17 year old Medical Intuitive Healer, named Adam, heard of Hawkins plight and offered his services. Hawkins accepted. A short time later Hawkins reported for his regular checkup and the doctors were dumbfounded to report that his tumour had completely disappeared. When Hawkins reported this news, it created a technically awkward moment for the documentary filmakers who were charting his demise. Hawkins notes that when his cancer test came back negative, everybody started cryin'. He thought they were crying because he got better, but they were crying because they had to change the title and ending. Hawkins attributes his recovery to young Adam who is an exceptionally gifted healer. This documentary airs across Canada at 9:30 pm tonight. Its new title? Ronnie Hawkins. Still Alive and Kickin'. Instead of documenting his death by cancer, it documents his psychic cure of cancer. As an advocate of permitting cancer patients to die, I'm quite sure Polevoy will be appalled by the saving of this man's life. Terry, wisdom can only enter an open mind. > 'Rompin' Ronnie Hawkins the rockabillie icon and favorite musician of Bill > Clinton, has been cured of cancer. Two years ago he was diagnosed with > pancreatic cancer and given no hope of recovery. When the news was announced > that he had only > three or four months left to live, [....] http://www.thestar.com http://tinyurl.com/5spak One comes from a top surgeon, who says the singer might never have had cancer in the first place. The surgeon is Dr. Bryce Taylor. He is chief of surgery and director of surgical services at the University Health Network in Toronto. He is also a top specialist in pancreatic cancer and a longtime Hawkins fan. "I've known Ronnie for probably 30 years," he said in an interview this week. Until Hawkins was declared cured, all medical evidence pointed to pancreatic cancer, Taylor says. Two years ago on Aug. 13, 2002, he opened Hawkins up and found a hardened lump like a cancerous tumour at the head of the pancreas, between the bowel and the liver. Taylor tried to remove it but couldn't because it was wrapped around major veins and arteries. He performed a bypass and sewed his patient up again. Hawkins declined chemotherapy and was expected to be dead by Christmas. Sometimes, Taylor says, pancreatic cancer is impossible to distinguish from pancreatitis, an inflammation of the pancreas. But, he says, Hawkins had "a localized lump it didn't look like pancreatitis throughout the gland." The lump also kept growing, behaviour consistent with a malignant tumour. "About four months later," Taylor says, "the MRI showed that the mass was bigger, which is almost unheard of with any inflammatory disease." With the growth that we are seeing, there really isn't much doubt that this is a cancerous growth, right?" says oncologist R.F. Wierzbicki. "What we don't have, we don't have 100 per cent proof of it by biopsy." "It's growing on a spot where it's inoperable," Hawkins says. "What's the difference whether it's cancerous or not cancerous?" "There isn't really, as far as you're concerned," the oncologist says. Not long afterward, Hawkins suffered a potentially lethal blood clot in the leg, a common ailment for people with abdominal cancers, Taylor says. "Everything pointed to cancer," the surgeon says. On the other hand, cancer was never proven. Three biopsies turned up no cancer cells, which didn't prove an absence of cancer, either. "One of two things has happened," Taylor says in the film to explain the singer's survival. "Either Ronnie did have a small cancer with a lot of inflammation around it and for some reason it has resolved, and I guess that would have to be categorized as a miracle. "Or he had an absolutely one-of-a-kind presentation of a localized chronic pancreatitis that then subsequently resolved. "Both those situations are equally rare." Two years ago, he had quadruple heart bypass surgery. He has diabetes. He still smokes heavily. At nearly 70, he says he can't explain why he's alive at all. "I take more pills than Ozzy Osbourne," he says.[...} Actually, when I reseaarched it throughly by dates (quite a while ago), he had 3 surgeries, first the tumour bypass, then the heart bypass, then a third (which has not been explained as to where it was done or what part of the body). He may well have headed south for specialized pancreas surgery. "spin" is a good money-maker..only his medical file has the truth. It must be frustrating for the medics not to be able to divulge others' personal health information to debunk these claims. J > On the other hand, cancer was never proven. Three biopsies turned up > no cancer cells, which didn't prove an absence of cancer, either. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > "Both those situations are equally rare." Actually locallised pancreatitis being misdiagnosed as cancer is a well-known surgical error. Surgeons are extremely reluctant to cut chunks out of a mass in the pancreas as a biopsy, as this can cause fatal pancreatitis, fistulae etc. The fact that three needle biopsies failed to show cancer, while not conclusive, does tend to swing the scales back towards this being a benign lesion. Inflammatory masses often feel like cancer, and can be a source of error in the salivary glands, breast, and elsewhere. It is tellingly rare to find an alt.med testimonial where observable cancer was present, there was an unequivocal diagnosis of cancer, an obvious treatment effect, and no other treatment that could have accounted for it. You would think that if any of the methods worked as well as the testimonials and hype suggest there should be hundreds or thousands of such cases by now, just as we have innumerable cases of cancers disappearing, even if temporarily, with radiotherapy or chemotherapy, hormonal antagonists, and occasionally with immunotherapy. No. With testimonial we seem to nearly always have to be giving the benefit of the doubt in some way. Why should that be so? This is revealed also in Dr Gerson's famous "fifty cases of cancer cure", that I am currently going through. While two or three are quite suggestive of treatment effect, if the scanty information given is complete and correct, there is a notable dearth of well-documented unequivocal cases of cancer remission/cure. Only one (so far) is identified as one of the renowned five cases he submitted to the NIH. I will tell you about that another time, but it is no wonder they did not take him very seriously. Peter Moran In article <41266ee6$0$18333$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.c om.au>, > > On the other hand, cancer was never proven. Three biopsies turned up > > no cancer cells, which didn't prove an absence of cancer, either. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Actually locallised pancreatitis being misdiagnosed as cancer is a > well-known surgical error. In many cases, I wouldn't even call it an "error," necessarily. Sometimes a mass at the head of the pancreas will look all the world like a cancer. Sometimes several needle biopsies will fail to show it. Sometimes even an intraoperative biopsy during an exploration for possible resection will fail to show it. In such cases, the correct course of action is still usually pancreaticoduodenectomy (Whipple procedure), would you not agree? >Surgeons are extremely reluctant to cut chunks > out of a mass in the pancreas as a biopsy, as this can cause fatal > pancreatitis, fistulae etc. Indeed. The pancreas is a notoriously treacherous organ to operate on. In fact, it's immortalized in the three rules of surgery: 1. Eat when you can 2. Sleep when you must 3. Don't f.ck with the pancreas. >The fact that three needle biopsies failed to > show cancer, while not conclusive, does tend to swing the scales back > towards this being a benign lesion. Inflammatory masses often feel like > cancer, and can be a source of error in the salivary glands, breast, and > elsewhere. Indeed. > It is tellingly rare to find an alt.med testimonial where observable cancer > was present, there was an unequivocal diagnosis of cancer, an obvious [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > even if temporarily, with radiotherapy or chemotherapy, hormonal > antagonists, and occasionally with immunotherapy. Indeed. > No. With testimonial we seem to nearly always have to be giving the benefit > of the doubt in some way. Why should that be so? Because they want to believe. > This is revealed also in Dr Gerson's famous "fifty cases of cancer cure", > that I am currently going through. While two or three are quite suggestive [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > renowned five cases he submitted to the NIH. I will tell you about that > another time, but it is no wonder they did not take him very seriously. Where did you get a hold of this?  SignatureOrac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent." | |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you | inconvenience me with questions?" > In article > <41266ee6$0$18333$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.c [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > course of action is still usually pancreaticoduodenectomy (Whipple > procedure), would you not agree? Yes, that is orthodox surgical teaching in these parts , too. It accepts the risk that an occasional benign lesion will be resected. <snip> > > This is revealed also in Dr Gerson's famous "fifty cases of cancer cure", > > that I am currently going through. While two or three are quite suggestive [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Where did you get a hold of this? I have bought Gerson' book "A Cancer Therapy" that includes the case histories. You get sick of alt.med mythology that all these cancers are being cured but that "so-called "organised medicine" (a very inappropriate description of a profession that includes such a variety of characters and is always engaged in one controversy or other) purposely ignores them. You and I know that while there may certainly be some bias against methods that are unlikely to work (and many of the components that Gerson emphasised in his therapy do look quite nonsensical even by the scientific standards of the 1950s and 60s) it is beyond comprehension that our medical colleagues would deliberately ignore treatments that were obviously curing cancer. I can tell you from my analysis so far that many of the patients had benign lesions, others had no definite evidence of cancer at the time he undertook the patient's treatment, and in others the presence of cancer was purely dependent on the clinical opinion of Gerson and others. Peter Moran. > > In article > > <41266ee6$0$18333$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.c [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Peter Moran. Lets say your opinion has some merit (?) and Hawkins simply had a growth that was benign, then this boy cured a benign growth that the doctors said was going to kill him in 3 to 4 months. The doctors still had no answer. Your ramblings about this are quite silly, and pointless. > "Peter Moran" <moringa@gil.com.au> wrote in message news:4126fdbf$0$18354$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au... > > > In article <41266ee6$0$18333$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.c > > > om.au>, > > > [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > that was benign, then this boy cured a benign growth that the doctors said > was going to kill him in 3 to 4 months. He cured nothing if it was scarring from a locallised pancreatitis. The mass will probably still be there. Has he had another scan? And doctors frequently make wrong prognostications. You and others like to make much of supposed hundreds of thousands of medical mistakes, but when it is to your advantage you are prepared to claim that doctors could not be wrong. Make up your mind. It has been explained to you by surgeons who KNOW why this is a not uncommon problem with pancreatic masses. >The doctors still had no answer. > Your ramblings about > this are quite silly, and pointless. Why is it silly and pointless to point out an explanation for the events that is infinitely more likely than remote healing? What could be more silly and pointless than claims of remote healing, when the claimants won't allow their claimed diagnostic and healing skills to be tested out? . Peter Moran > > "Peter Moran" <moringa@gil.com.au> wrote in message news:4126fdbf$0$18354$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au... > > > > In article > > > > [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] > > Peter Moran > > "Peter Moran" <moringa@gil.com.au> wrote in message news:4126fdbf$0$18354$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au... > > > > In article > > > > [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > He cured nothing if it was scarring from a locallised pancreatitis. The > mass will probably still be there. Has he had another scan? Knowing the facts doesn't seem to be of any concern to you. Yes, they did a cat scan and an MRI to confirm there was no tumor remaining. > And doctors frequently make wrong prognostications. You and others like to > make much of supposed hundreds of thousands of medical mistakes, but when it [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Peter Moran >Subject: Re: Ronnie Hawkins cured of cancer >From: "Peter Moran" moringa@gil.com.au [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > >He cured nothing if it was scarring from a locallised pancreatitis. Now we have a clear diagnosis over the net. A miracle, Peter!!!!!!! They will be flocking in to ask for a free diagnoses. Jan > >Subject: Re: Ronnie Hawkins cured of cancer > >From: "Peter Moran" moringa@gil.com.au [quoted text clipped - 100 lines] > > A miracle, Peter!!!!!!! It only counts as a miracle if I do it from a photograph. Peter Moran > They will be flocking in to ask for a free diagnoses. > > Jan >Subject: Re: Ronnie Hawkins cured of cancer >From: "Peter Moran" moringa@gil.com.au [quoted text clipped - 128 lines] > >Peter Moran What is counts for is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you are full of crap as usual. As in guessing, and pure arrogance. Jan > They will be flocking in to ask for a free diagnoses. >> >> Jan In article <4127b831$0$19411$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.c om.au>, > > "Peter Moran" <moringa@gil.com.au> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > is to your advantage you are prepared to claim that doctors could not be > wrong. Make up your mind. Indeed. First Glowlife Dave wants us to believe this doctor that Hawkins had cancer (although he admits the possibility that Hawkins may not have had cancer), then he castigates him for being wrong and telling Hawkins he didn't have long to live! SignatureOrac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent." | |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you | inconvenience me with questions?" In article <4126fdbf$0$18354$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.c om.au>, > > In article > > <41266ee6$0$18333$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.c [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Yes, that is orthodox surgical teaching in these parts , too. It accepts > the risk that an occasional benign lesion will be resected. Indeed. It does happen occasionally. However, the cost of not resecting is to leave a possible pancreatic cancer behind. > > > This is revealed also in Dr Gerson's famous "fifty cases of cancer > cure", [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > the patient's treatment, and in others the presence of cancer was purely > dependent on the clinical opinion of Gerson and others. Interesting. I hate to give Gerson any money by buying his book, but if I can find a second-hand copy of it I may well purchase it. SignatureOrac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent." | |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you | inconvenience me with questions?" >Subject: Re: Ronnie Hawkins cured of cancer >From: Orac orac@wabcmail.com >Date: 8/21/2004 8:11 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <orac-516C35.00115622082004@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <snip> >Interesting. I hate to give Gerson any money by buying his book, but if >I can find a second-hand copy of it I may well purchase it. Oh go all out and also get Racketeering in Medicine. If you are hard up, I'll pay for it if you will read it. Jan > > > On the other hand, cancer was never proven. Three biopsies turned up [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > "Both those situations are equally rare." > Actually locallised pancreatitis being misdiagnosed as cancer is a > well-known surgical error. Surgeons are extremely reluctant to cut chunks [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Peter Moran Regardless of any dispute,what a great story! Let's also not forget that The Hawk helped in giving us "The Band"! I have no doubt whatsoever that between the diet,healing forces and cannabis that he turned the disease away. I've had great luck and health miracles with all three of these entities. > > 'Rompin' Ronnie Hawkins the rockabillie icon and favorite musician of Bill > > Clinton, has been cured of cancer. Two years ago he was diagnosed with [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > "Both those situations are equally rare." He exaggerates a bit here. Sometimes it's devilishly hard to distinguish a localized case of pancreatitis from pancreatic cancer. Indeed, because of this difficulty, many cases of pancreatic cancer are operated on without a preoperative tissue diagnosis. Occasionally a mass that looks for all the world like pancreatic cancer is resected by a Whipple operation (which, BTW, is a huge operation), and the pathologist finds no cancer, only chronic pancreatitis or some other benign pathology. The fact that there were three biopsies, none of which showed cancer, tends to argue for this, although biopsies have enough uncertainty and possibly sampling error that it doesn't completely rule out cancer either. The most likely explanation is that Hawkins never had cancer. SignatureOrac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent." | |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you | inconvenience me with questions?" > > > 'Rompin' Ronnie Hawkins the rockabillie icon and favorite musician of Bill > > > Clinton, has been cured of cancer. Two years ago he was diagnosed with [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > possibly sampling error that it doesn't completely rule out cancer > either. The most likely explanation is that Hawkins never had cancer. But told him he only had three to four months to live. This is why medical practitioners are seen as not very credible by most people. "Dave Wickware" <dwickware@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > But told him he only had three to four months to live. This is why medical > practitioners are seen as not very credible by most people. Because they make mistakes? At least they're willing to have their methods independently verified. Show me a supernatural healer that can claim that. m > > > > 'Rompin' Ronnie Hawkins the rockabillie icon and favorite musician of > Bill [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > practitioners are seen as > not very credible by most people. Make up your mind. Is Dr. Taylor a brilliant surgeon who has seen the light about alternative healing or is he an idiot for having misdiagnosed pancreatic cancer? I can't tell which it is you believe. You seem to want to have it both ways. SignatureOrac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent." | |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you | inconvenience me with questions?" Hey Dave, I saw the show and here are my comments. Complaint about CTV's broadcast about Ronnie Hawkins and Adam the remote healer from British Columbia Date: Aug. 20, 2004 Time: 9:30-11:00 p.m. Title: Ronnie Hawkins - Still Alive and Kickin' Producer: Reel to Reel - Anne Pick One of the most ridiculous so-called documentaries that I have ever seen aired on television anywhere was just broadcast on CTV. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/show/CTVShows/1091559672806_86968652/ This is the Toronto Star column about the show where the medical history was seriously questioned. http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_T ype1&c=Article&cid=1092910029956&call_pageid=970599119419 Legendary rocker Ronnie Hawkins was broke, apparently he was convinced by doctors that he was indeed dying of a pancreatic cancer. There was no mention at all how this alleged cancer was first suspected, but they did mention the fact that at least two of the doctors who were involved with him were personal friends. The problem is that according to recent news reports, his alleged cancer was NEVER confirmed after a numbr of biopsy attempts. So, how did this "mass" in the head of his pancreas present? I watched the entire show looking for any sign that he looked sick in any way. He smoked throughout the entire show. I don't know how the film crew ever survived the experience. Then suddenly along comes what I would expect is a delusional teenager named Adam from Vancouver who healed his unconfirmed cancer over the telephone. Wow, that's truely remarkable. He heals an unconfirmed cancer from thousands of mile away, and doesn't want his true identity revealed. Fiction is sometimes stranger than truth! Adam said that it was difficult, but once he created a hologram of his father, and "The Hawk" side by side it was no problem. He could see his cancer clearly. The boy didn't want his face to be shown, probably because someone would recognize him and blow his cover. As far as I am concerned, this is total and complete quackery. As a matter of fact, all one has to do to find out who Adam really is, is to go to wacko radio hosts like Jeff Rense, who usually welcomes alien abductees, alternative healers and cancer quacks on his show. He has placed this article from the Globe and Mail written by Alexandra Gill on May 3, 2003 on his own web site. I assume that he has also interviewed Adam, too. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030503/FCHEAL// ?query=Adam By the way, The Globe and Mail conglomerate also owns CTV in case you are interested. Here are some of the more absurd statements made by Gill: - "If you met Adam in a mall, you would never in a million years guess that this is the kid who claims to possess an extrasensory X-ray vision that helped him to cure rock 'n' roll legend Ronnie Hawkins of terminal pancreatic cancer." [Again this uninformed writer assumes that Hawkins actually had terminal pancreatic cancer.] - "The most important thing for us is to protect his anonymity so he can enjoy life as a normal teenager," Adam's mom says when I meet him and his parents this week at a secret location in the suburbs of Vancouver." [ Yes, his parents want to protect him. Why is that?] - "He says he has healed more than 300 people from ailments that range from breast cancer to genital herpes during the past two years. He charges $75 per treatment, but he says he has never turned anyone away because of an inability to pay." [I wonder if the tax people in Ottawa have any idea of how much money he has earned over the telephone, or if his parents declared this income?] Maclean's magazine article on Adam the Healer by Catharine Tamas on April 12, 2004: http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/life/article.jsp?content=20040412_78682_78682 - "To his friends he's just Adam. But in the world of alternative healing, he's the 17-year-old "energy healer" who cured rock 'n' roll legend Ronnie Hawkins of terminal pancreatic cancer. Hundreds of sick people now flock to the Vancouver teen's group healings. Many others contact him through his Web site (www. dreamhealer.com), seeking treatment from afar -- all he needs is their picture. A U.S. production company is negotiating with his parents to do a TV series about him. And Adam? When freelance writer Catharine Tamas recently sat down with him, she found a regular kid eager to learn more about his gift." Adam's web site is: http://www.distanthealing.com It is registered to this entity: Registrant: Dreamhealer.com Dream Healer Box 64121 Coquitlam, BC V3J 7V6 CA +1.6042056010 17897@whois.gkg.net It was registered on Registrar..: gkg.net (http://register.gkg.net/) Domain Name: DISTANTHEALING.COM Created on..............: 08-JUN-2000 Expires on..............: 08-JUN-2005 Record last updated on..: 11-APR-2004 Status..................: ACTIVE So, how old was Adam, if that is his real name, on June 8, 2000? Was he really 13 years old? How much of any of this is true? Who is running the show people? How in the world can a 13 yr. old teenager be in control of all of this. Just check out his testimonial page: http://www.dreamhealer.com/ws_testimonials5.html Why his endorsements include former astronaut Edgar Mitchell and of course Ronnie Hawkins. Plus you can order his book, too: http://www.dreamhealer.com/endorsements.html He has links to Elizabeth Targ and others of equally questionable reputation. Check out a wonderful article about Targ here: http://www.csicop.org/si/2001-03/fringe-watcher.html Cameos and interviews in the film included Paul Anka, Robbie Robertson, Kris Kristofferson, President Bill Clinton, and a whole bunch of other personalities. The 18 month journey was documented by a film producer named Anne Pick. A few of her other film are profiled on this CBC site: http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeyesunday/helenswar/filmmakers.html A full description of Reel to Reel, her production company is here: http://www.r2r.ca/annepick-fullbio.html I saw her film about Helen Caldicott a few weeks ago and was impressed at the breath and scope of the film. Anyway, back to the show tonight. I never saw so much smoking and profanity ever broadcast on any TV network. This is not CABLE TV folks. CTV broadcasts over the airwaves. If the intent of Anne Pick was to present the raw side of Ronnie Hawkins and his friends and family, she certainly didn't censor this in any way. What she didn't do was to allow any criticism at all of the remote healer from Vancouver and how he healed Hawkins through Quantum Physics through "distant healing". Because "The Hawk" was given a clean bill of health by his doctors he can now miraculously resume his recording and concert career and recover from his present rather poor econonic position. An official complaint to the CRTC and the CBSC will be filed, and I really feel that Adam's family and their activities border on something that could be considered illegal. Telling people what their condition is over the telephone and then telling them that you are going to treat it is nothing more than consumer health fraud. At $300 a pop for a few minutes of your time, that can add up to quite a pile of money. A few years ago the Feds in the U.S. shut down one of the most notorious telephone scams of modern times because people got ripped off by the fake mediums or psychics. Why is this any different? Adam's web site and the income being earned would really be in that same category as far as I am concerned. It's really nothing more than a publicity stunt to increase their exposure so he can advance his career. But, how likely is it that the government, either here or in the U.S. will step in to stop this scheme? The warnings before each segment was inadequate. There is no such thing as remote healing, with or without quantum mechanics. In my opinion, there was no miracle here. It was strictly a way of promoting the film and his career. The fact that Hawkins appeared on a number of news shows over the last few days is just about par for the course. So, if you want to contact CTV to complain you can reach them at: CTV Television Network P.O. Box 9, Station 'O,' Scarborough Ontario, Canada M4A2M9 Courier Address: 9 Channel Nine Court, Scarborough, Ontario, Canada M1S4B5 Telephone: (416) 332-5000 entertain@ctv.ca - Entertainment department health@ctv.ca - Medical reporter To complain about Canadian broadcasting here are some links: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/RapidsCCM/Register.asp?lang=E - CRTC To complain to the producer's company: Real to Reel Productions Incoporated 3023 Dundas St. West Toronto, Ontario, CANADA M6P 1Z4 TEL 416.763.0001 FAX 416.763.1496 Email Inquiries: info@R2R.ca ------------------------------------------------- THE BOTTOM LINE FROM HEALTHWATCHER.NET 1. DISTANCE HEALING IS CLEARLY A CONSUMER HEALTH SCAM AT BEST, AND MAY ALSO BE CRIMINAL. IN OTHER WORDS, SINCE THERE IS NO SUBSTANCE TO REMOTE HEALING, ANYONE WHO TAKES MONEY FROM PEOPLE CAN BE CONSIDERED TO BE COMMITTING FRAUD. 2. WHEN YOU SEND MONEY TO ADAM;S WEB SITE WHO CASHES THE CHECKS AND WHO PAYS TAXES? 3. WHY WERE A NUMBER OF DOCTORS UNABLE TO DIAGNOSE RONNIE HAWKINS ALLEGED CANCER? 4. WHY DID THESE DOCTORS AGREE TO BE PART OF THIS DOCUMENTARY N THE FIRST PLACE? IT SEEMED THAT SOME OF HIS DOCTORS WERE EITHER FANS, OR GOOD FRIENDS OF MR. HAWKINS. COULD THIS CAUSE BIAS ON THEIR PART? WHY WASN'T HE SENT TO ANOTHER FACILITY FOR A SECOND OPINION? 4. WHY DID THE HOSPITALS ALLOW DOCUMENTARY CAMERAS INTO THE HOSPITAL? 5. WHY DID CTV ALLOW THE UNCENSORED VULGARITY AND PROFANITY AND ALL OF THE SMOKING TO BE BROADCAST OVER THE AIRWAVES? 6. WHY WERE NO CHALLENGES INCLUDED IN THE FILM ITSELF INTO THE REMOTE HEALING CAPABILITIES OF THE TEENAGER KNOWN AS ADAM? 7. WHY WERE NO OTHER PEOPLE INTERVIEWED BY THE PRODUCER WHO WERE TREATED BY ADAM? 8. WHAT EVIDENCE DOES THE PRODUCER HAVE THAT THE STORY IS FACTUAL? DID SHE SEE THE MEDICAL RECORDS? IF SO, WHO PROVIDED THOSE RECORDS TO HER? !# Terry Polevoy, MD !# 938 King St. West !# Kitchener, Ontario, N2G 1G4 Canada !# 519-725-2263 -- 725-4953 fax !# http://www.healthwatcher.net - Consumer Health Watchdog !# http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/about.html - About Dr. Terry Polevoy's Canadian Quackerywatch > 'Rompin' Ronnie Hawkins the rockabillie icon and favorite musician of Bill > Clinton, has been cured of cancer. Two years ago he was diagnosed with [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > will be appalled by the saving of this man's life. > Terry, wisdom can only enter an open mind. I>Subject: Re: Ronnie Hawkins cured of cancer >From: info@healthwatcher.net (Terry Polevoy)>Date: 8/20/2004 9:32 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <d0acb77d.0408202132.3952f0dc@posting.google.com> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >remote >healer from British Columbia ZZzz. Complaint, ZZzz. >One of the most ridiculous so-called documentaries that I have ever >seen >aired on television anywhere was just broadcast on CTV. Yeah Yeah, ZZzz. >This is the Toronto Star column about the show where the medical >history was >seriously questioned. And this is where it as confirmed. "With the growth that we are seeing, there really isn't much doubt that this is a cancerous growth, right?" says oncologist R.F. Wierzbicki. "What we don't have, we don't have 100 per cent proof of it by biopsy." "When I look at cancer, it has a very distinct glow to it," Adam says in the film. "There was no doubt it was cancer." Adam studied a colour photograph of Hawkins and visually entered the singer's body. "I could see a tumour about the size of a tennis ball — approximately 10 centimetres >total and complete quackery. ZZzz. >An official complaint to the CRTC and the CBSC will be filed ZZzz. >There is no such >thing as >remote healing, with or without quantum mechanics. ZZzz. >In my opinion Quack Quack. >To complain Squawk Squawk. >THE BOTTOM LINE FROM HEALTHWATCHER.NET Doesn't watch he fraud within conventional medicine. I don't see the Jesse Gelsinger (volunteering loving and caring teenager) story on your website, why is that? The doctor who killed him committed fraud cover ups, deliberate and repeated violations, yet he remains on staff. BTW Terry the Terror, you don't have to shout. It is noted you were silent when the fact that a murderer can run loose in a hospital, and no one reports it except one HONEST nurse. If you have a list of whys, ask them here. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/02/60minutes/main610047.shtml Then stop shouting, you are 10 times worse than Tim Bolen. Get over you control problem. Jan >> 'Rompin' Ronnie Hawkins the rockabillie icon and favorite musician of Bill >> Clinton, has been cured of cancer. Two years ago he was diagnosed with [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> will be appalled by the saving of this man's life. >> Terry, wisdom can only enter an open mind. I am sure that Jan and Dave (not the vocal group) will have a hard time criticizing this review of Adam's book. http://www.enotalone.com/books/0973274808.html Another Fake... With a New Twist Adam, if that's his real name is supposed to be around 17 years old and wants privacy, but conducts interviews and has workshops. He now no longer meets people in person, but has the client send a color photo and "money" along with a signed iron clad disclaimer which is good for life! The "healing" is done from a distance (nonlocal), and sounds like a retake of Edgar Cayce except with a scientific (theory) explaination of what is taking place and how it is done. A paper was done on Quantum Hologram by Edgar Mitchell and Adam and his parents (if they are his parents) use this word to expain how Adam heals through perception, telepathy, and intuition. The Quantum Theory talk reminds me of Transendental Meditation and of Deepak Chopra's theories on healing through quantum physics. At the end of Mitchell's paper he states, "The existence of quantum holography provides an adequate informational structure to permit a theory for the observed results. The case is a classic case in phenomenology, where results are repeatedly observed over time that fall outside the prevailing paradigm, and must await new developments in science before an explanation is forthcoming." He goes on to say, "These results apply directly to healing prayer as well." He concludes, "The case for mind/mind and mind/matter interactions is impressively well documented over many decades as studies in phenomenology, with staggering probabilities against chance having produced the results." However, with all of this being said we still don't know if "Adam" fits into these finding since there is no proof that he has actually healed anyone. His disclaimer gives him the credit if there is a healing at anytime, but also gives Adam an out if there is no healing. But, there is no refund as well! I find it interesting that Adam and his parents also sought out Ronnie Hawkins (an older Rock musican) for a healing. Hawkins went through the WHIPPLE Operation for his pancreatic tumor, and used shaman remedies, "pot" and many other methods in addition to Adam's healing. Adam takes credit for Hawkin's recovery, but Hawkin's doesn't give Adam that honor. Many other interventions could have done the job for Ronnie. Hawkin's gives credit to his doctors as well, but especially gives credit to the "Big Rocker up there." My conclusion is that much of what Adam has to share in his book is recycled info with a scientific, quantum hologram, perception, telepathy, nonlocal, intuition type spin. I think that Adam and his parents could be "Irish Travelers" (crooks) who simply have a new twist in scamming people. There is no history, no information, and a guise to remain private in order to lead a "normal" life for the kid... if he is even a kid of seventeen! Why did they have an interview, do workshops, and seek out Hawkins if they want privacy, unless, it is to build a large client base and are establishing non-interference and a no questions asked air of legitimacy. Another question that comes to mind is how does KARMA fit into this energy healing or whatever term we call it? Isn't Adam taking on karma? To what degree should we interfer with the Divine Plan? Or, is learning how to heal ourselves part of our journey towards Self-Mastery? Jesus, it is said, did healings (of course these people eventually died... right?), and was reported to say that all of us could do this and more! Perhaps Adam is a fake because people fear death, but even if he is a fraud maybe it is also a spiritual wake-up call for us to become our own Masters and our own Healers. I am very wary of those whose vainly share with the world that they are great souls. If you have to announce it... then you aren't. I suggest that people use discrimination and check these people (Adam) out more. In looking at all sides of this "Adam" with limited infomation on his part and the disclaimer he has people sign and the non-contact aspect it sounds like an ingenious scam! Also, isn't this book listed as Science Fiction? ------------------------------------------- Again, what 13 year-old boy would have the intelligence to register a web site in 2000 without their parents help? I doubt anything will be done by the police or attorney general in B.C. to shut this scam down. It has nothing to do with Ronnie Hawkins alleged cancer, this has everything to do with the lack of proper police investigation. What in the world are the law enforcement people afraid of? It Adam and his family going to send them evil thoughts through Quantum Mechanics. Oh the thought is very very scary. Terry Polevoy, MD HealthWatcher.net > I am sure that Jan and Dave (not the vocal group) will have a hard > time criticizing this review of Adam's book. > > http://www.enotalone.com/books/0973274808.html Yes I agree with it... Adam's book is the real thing based on spiritual principles Adam's book is written for the healer. It is written on a level of maturity and a basic understanding of spiritual principles of healing. He has confirmed in his abilities, what it has taken me many years to understand about my own ability to heal and the images I have seen. I have read two extremely negative criticisms of the book and found them to be filled with such hate and jealousy that I have completely invalidated their critique value. Anyone who claims to be a healer and then spews such ugly anger towards a young talented author cannot possibly be a healer because true healers understand the karmic effects of such negative energy and that all healing and the ability to heal comes from God, or "the Universe" as some say. It is true that Adam may not have been able to heal his own mother completely, yet in the scriptures we read that Paul was able to heal thousands, but not able to heal himself completely. In response to his pleas, the Lord said, "My grace is sufficient for thee,". Sometimes we are given challenges close to the heart to strengthen our resolve. Adam doesn't make fantastic claims in his book as a healer. In fact, his book is fresh, clear, and has a balanced perspective. He takes the successes he's had and reveals that a positive attitude, an ability to be receptive and a desire for deep personal change are what those being healed must have in order to heal. As a Master in martial arts, a certified metaphysical healing practitioner, a reiki healer, and a healer educated in Dhanur Veda under an Indian Master for nine years, and a student of oriental medicine and herbology, I do validate the principles and content of this wonderful book. As healers, we are in a continual evolution to grow and learn. I have healed others and have been seeing astral images (which Adam calls holograms) for years in my healing. The fact that Adam uses high-tech and scientific terms is a matter of symantics. What I call the astral body and physical substrait, Adam refers to as holograms. What I call the Divine power of God and Jesus, he calls Energetic field. He avoids any religious or cultural terms in order for us to understand from his scientific and modern perspective. His book is filled with his love for his craft and his growth and evolution unfolds as he takes us through the challenges he's endured as a healer. I highly recommend this book to any serious healer with an open mind and a willingness to learn and grow. Thanks for your endorsement Terry. > I am sure that Jan and Dave (not the vocal group) will have a hard > time criticizing this review of Adam's book. [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > Terry Polevoy, MD > HealthWatcher.net Your criteria for scams is obviously anything YOU don't understand. Given your diminished capacity, that severly limits your area of credibility. >Subject: Re: Ronnie Hawkins cured of cancer >From: "Dave Wickware" dwickware@sympatico.ca >Date: 8/21/2004 3:19 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <TdGVc.31862$ZI1.1201755@news20.bellglobal.com> >Your criteria for scams is obviously anything YOU don't understand. Given >your diminished capacity, that >severly limits your area of credibility. VERY well said Dave!!! Jan Oh >the thought is very very scary. Sure is ... having an MD prance around Usenet bashing his critics and advertising his own Quack site ... while lying that his name is "Vera" ... Scary indeed! This is just too comical to not bring up again ... This is Quack Polevoy giving "veracity" lessons while pretending to be a woman named "Vera" ... donning disguises is just one of the ways he embarasses the Quack Regime for his deceitful tirades. Here is his repetoire as "Vera" ... http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=author%3A verat2@yahoo.com&btnG=Search Here are links to the Supreme Court case of "Vera" Polevoy vs. me: www.humanticsfoundation.com/quacklibelsuit.htm >Terry Polevoy, MD >HealthWatcher.net >Subject: Re: Ronnie Hawkins cured of cancer >From: info@healthwatcher.net (Terry Polevoy) >Date: 8/21/2004 2:36 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <d0acb77d.0408210236.63dd2c3d@posting.google.com> > >I am sure that Jan and Dave (not the vocal group) You can't even type one line without telling a lie. Speaking of vocal, you were shouting in your last post. It would seem you were angry and have no self discipline. >will have a hard >time criticizing this review of Adam's book. *Read book before you comment* >Another Fake... With a New Twist ZZzz. *Read book before you comment* <snip negative coments, sounds like Terry wrote it> >Again, what 13 year-old boy would have the intelligence One that is iinspired and helped by God. >I doubt anything will be >done by the police or attorney general in B.C. to shut this scam down. Perhaps they have seen YOUR name to often??????? Whine, complaint, rant and shout. >It has nothing to do with Ronnie Hawkins alleged cancer, this has >everything to do with the lack of proper police investigation It has mostly to do with your control problem. <snip more organized medicine speak heard over and over and over> How in the world would you ever believe in a miracle?? After all you don't believe in Jesus and his miracles! Jan A truth’s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed…When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic. -Dresden James > This is the Toronto Star column about the show where the medical history was seriously questioned. > <http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_T ype1&c=Article&cid=1092910029956&call_pageid=970599119419> http://tinyurl.com/5spak copy and paste and save the whole thing to your hard drive (before it disappears) > Adam from Vancouver > As a matter of fact, all one has to do to find out who Adam really is, > is to go to wacko radio hosts like Jeff Rense, well, who is Adam? If you think Jeff Rense knows, tell the Fifth Estate that. > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030503/FCHEAL// ?query=Adam Can't read it - no subsciption. > By the way, The Globe and Mail conglomerate also owns CTV in case you are > interested. Here are some of the more absurd statements made by Gill: > > <snipped> - If you find a place on his web page where he claims to have healed Ronnie, copy and save it. > Maclean's magazine article on Adam the Healer by Catharine Tamas on > Adam's web site is: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Who is running the show people? How in the world can a 13 yr. old > teenager Probably his parents if he is a minor and Adam may not be his first name at all. The trick would be to have contacts at various schools in Vancouver...because the teens have a "buzz" going on where they know who is doing what and who isn't. (ie they may know) > An official complaint to the CRTC I don't think CRTC are about "scams". I think they're mostly about "porn" and making sure there's a correct ratio of Canadian content. Check them out first before wasting time, if applicable. Here's how it works for radio. (or so I'm told by someone in "radio" Each station, tapes all their programming, keeps the tapes for a certain predesignated (by the CRTC) time and if there's a complaint, the CRTC requests a copy of the tape from the station and reviews it with regard to their particular mandate. If the complaint doesn't happen soon enough, the tapes are overwritten by new programming and the proof is lost. > and the CBSC will be filed, and I really > feel that Adam's family and their activities border on something that could > be considered illegal. They may have someone legally counselling them http://www.dreamhealer.com./disclaimer.html Copy and save that (now) before someone edits it. There's a hole in their disclaimer. " I, the undersigned, for myself, my heirs, successors, executors, administrators and assignees, hereby release and forever discharge Adam, his associates, their heirs, and his heirs, successors, executors, administrators and assignees, from any and all actions, causes of action, claims and demands for or by reason of any damage, loss or injury, to person and property which heretofore has been or hereafter maybe sustained in consequence of any medication, substance or treatment which I may use or consume in any respect of and for any attempts by myself or anyone on my behalf to cause temporary or permanent relief from the symptoms of any injury, ailment or disease with which I have been or will be diagnosed. " should read.... I, the undersigned, for myself, my heirs, successors, executors, administrators and assignees, hereby release and forever discharge Adam, his associates, their heirs, and his heirs, successors, executors, administrators and assignees, from any and all actions, causes of action, claims and demands for or by reason of any damage, loss or injury, to person and property which heretofore has been or hereafter may be sustained in consequence of any medication, substance, claim made by me or my representatives/parents or anyone else (on my behalf) in/on any format whatsoever, including print and webpages, or treatment which I may use or consume in any respect of and for any attempts by myself or anyone on my behalf to cause temporary or permanent relief from the symptoms of any injury, ailment or disease with which I have been or will be diagnosed. > Telling people what their condition is over the telephone and then telling > them that you are going to treat it is nothing more than consumer health > fraud. At $300 a pop for a few minutes of your time, that can add up to > quite a pile of money. If you have proof or claims of the $300, copy and save it. Copy and save this one (including dates) http://www.musicplayer.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=1;t=012845 "Adam, who offers his services at $75 a session, says his gift manifested itself two years ago. The healing kid, who wants to be a naturopathic doctor, says he has "done" hundreds of people." That's $7500 of possibly undeclared income to Revenue Canada. > A few years ago the Feds in the U.S. shut down one of the most > notorious telephone scams of modern times because people got ripped off by the > fake mediums or psychics. Why is this any different? Try Fifth Estate (once you've gathered up all the information and saved it) > Adam's web site and the income being earned would really be in that > same category as far as I am concerned. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > FAX 416.763.1496 > Email Inquiries: info@R2R.ca <perhaps your website would be taken a bit more seriously, if it wasn't in CAPS ? > > !# Terry Polevoy, MD > !# 938 King St. West [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Terry > Polevoy's Canadian Quackerywatch Now, as to the name of the doctor, the links you and I posted said Bryce Taylor (another thread says "Bruce Taylor") I ran searches on both for Toronto. Only this one came up http://www.surg.med.utoronto.ca/faculty/taylor_b.html Copy and save that information http://www.legalline.ca/tax/192.html 192 When does Revenue Canada investigate? Revenue Canada may choose to audit an individual or business even if there is no apparent reason to do so. Generally, Revenue Canada can only audit someone up to three years after a tax return has been filed, unless there is misrepresentation or fraud involved." Find out the Revenue Canada address for the West Coast. It might be here (on Pender) <http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/burolis/CPresults-PCresultats_e.asp?Province_Code=59&In stitution_Code=142&Obligation_Code=1> Canada Post Corporation Address 1031 Brunette Avenue Coquitlam, British Columbia V3K 1E0 Office Code P092134 http://library.coquitlam.bc.ca/Programs+and+Services/Teens/Fantasy.htm Coquitlam Public Library 575 Poirier Street, Coquitlam, BC V3J 6A9 T: (604) 937-4144 F: (604) 937-4145 Coquitlam Public Library 1) Buy the book and if there's no mention that the biopsies showed no sign of cancer ( "ed by the name of the doctor)" 2) have a contact hand deliver a professionally written letter to the post office in Coquitlam, which will read that you are collecting information and forwarding it to the RCMP and Revenue Canada about this situation and that you expect them (the Post office) to be part of the investigation unless/if they immediately close the mail box and return to sender any incoming mail to that address. (send a copy to the Main Branch - Post Office in Vancouver c/o Investigations). 3) contact the library with same letter and ask them not to carry that or any other book by same, under said investigation is finished 4) contact "chain" bookstores (head office - Canada) with same letter and request that they put a hold on all purchases and sales of same books "until the results of the investigations are known". 5) contact UBC with same letter (the head of whichever department oversees where doctors are trained). in case that's where he's heading for his education. Ask them to carefully monitor and "document" his activities while on campus "because the RCMP and/or Rev Canada may require it later". There may be other "altie" universities out there, but I wouldn't bother with them. If he wants to become a doctor, first he has to become a doctor. Get serious, Terry. Once they (most of them) hear that there might be an investigation involving Canada Revenue and/or the RCMP and/or Fifth Estate, many of them will cower in fear of getting caught up in investigations and will pull whichever plugs they can pull so as not to have their own resources wasted and sucked into the "potential investigation". First see if Fifth Estate will investigate. They might be able to find out who they are or go there under the auspices of an interview and get statements on tape or audio. Collect as much information first and save it . Do make sure that the letter is professionally composed. J If I find out more (their names), the university or anything that would help you, I'll let you know here. > Find out the Revenue Canada address for the West Coast. > It might be here (on Pender) I think I forgot this for Rev Canada http://www.rev.gov.bc.ca/itb/general/writeus.htm J - About Dr. >Terry >Polevoy's Canadian Quackerywatch This is just too comical to not bring up again ... This is Quack Polevoy giving "veracity" lessons while pretending to be a woman named "Vera" ... donning disguises is just one of the ways he embarasses the Quack Regime for his deceitful tirades. Here is his repetoire as "Vera" ... http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=author%3A verat2@yahoo.com&btnG=Search Here are links to the Supreme Court case of "Vera" Polevoy vs. me: www.humanticsfoundation.com/quacklibelsuit.htm Supporting this idiocy now, Ilena? This will surely enhance your credibility in other arenas. Peter Moran >Subject: Re: Ronnie Hawkins cured of cancer >From: "Peter Moran" moringa@gil.com.au [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Peter Moran Ummm, YOU are speaking of credibility?!?! YOU who can see no cover ups, no fraud and no wrong doing from a doc who killed a teenager and REPEATEDLY violated regulations and remains on staff. You have some nerve Peter! Jan In article <4127b8d5$0$19432$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.c om.au>, > Supporting this idiocy now, Ilena? This will surely enhance your > credibility in other arenas. That concerns Ilena not in the least, I'm sure. If it's "alternative," she almost always support it. I can't recall ever seeing her denounce even obvious quacks like Hulda Clark. SignatureOrac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent." | |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you | inconvenience me with questions?" >Subject: Re: Ronnie Hawkins cured of cancer >From: Orac orac@wabcmail.com [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >That concerns Ilena not in the least, You seemed to skip right over the fact that Peter Moran blew his own credibility when he could see no fraud and no cover ups in the Jesse Gelsinger death. Do tell us what you think Orac?? Do YOU see any fraud, any cover ups?? WHY could Peter not see them?? Don't come back with a lame excuse that you don't remember, I'll be happy to post it again. Fest up time!!! Yacking about IIena and overlooking Peter's attempt tp cover up the cover up, just *ain't* right. Now do show us the big man you are and do the right thing. Jan > >Subject: Re: Ronnie Hawkins cured of cancer > >From: Orac orac@wabcmail.com [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Do YOU see any fraud, any cover ups?? I don't know enough about the case to comment. > WHY could Peter not see them?? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Yacking about IIena and overlooking Peter's attempt tp cover up the cover up, > just *ain't* right. Now do show us the big man you are and do the right thing. I just did. I told you I don't know enough about the case to comment responsibly. SignatureOrac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent." | |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you | inconvenience me with questions?" |
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