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hCG Test For Cancer
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su-texas@webtv.net - 05 May 2004 15:15 GMT Anth wrote:
I think the other persons immune system would kill the cancer cells, also blood is screened.
There's the HCG test - that can detect cancer or pregnancy amongst other things.
Biopsy would be the ultiimate.
Anth
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Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) Test
The test for pregnancy is done, by measuring the amount of human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) in blood or urine.
HCG is a hormone produced by the placenta during pregnancy.
HCG may also be produced abnormally by certain tumors, especially those that develop from an egg or sperm (germ cell tumors).
Therefore, hCG levels are usually tested in a woman, who may have cancer of the ovaries or abnormal tissue growing in her uterus (molar pregnancy), instead of a normal fetus.
In a man, hCG levels may be measured to help determine if he has cancer of the testicles.
The test for hCG is done on a sample of blood taken from a vein or on a urine sample. Routine pregnancy testing is usually done on a urine sample.
The test does not measure the exact amount of hCG, but it indicates if hCG is above the normal, nonpregnant level.
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Can this test determine any breast cancers, lung cancers, bone cancers, blood cancers, lymph cancers, etc?
Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
Anth - 04 May 2004 17:29 GMT > Anth wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Can this test determine any breast cancers, lung cancers, bone cancers, > blood cancers, lymph cancers, etc? In theory yes, but sometimes the HCG is confined to the actual cancer cells and is not detectable in the blood. For instance in some cases of prostate cancer it is detectable in the blood and semen and in others it is not. Some people have taken pregnancy tests and this has come up positive when they are not pregnant, it was investigated and they were found to have cancer. I don't think it is a reliable blood test for cancers, an 'expert' should clarify this. This is a common test used by 'alties' to diagnose cancer, when in fact it is potentially dangerous as people have been given all clears when they still have cancer. (Try googling the trophoblast thesis of cancer for more information - theory goes that cancer is a false placenta which is killed by proteolytic enzymes - Gonzalez protocol is based on this) Anth
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1 1156711&dopt=Abstract
Beta-human chorionic gonadotropin in semen: a marker for early detection of prostate cancer?
Daja MM, Aghmesheh M, Ow KT, Rohde PR, Barrow KD, Russell PJ.
Oncology Research Centre, Prince of Wales Hospital, Sydney, NSW, Australia. p.russell@unsw.edu.au
BACKGROUND AND PURPOSE: The beta subunit of human chorionic gonadotropin (beta-hCG) has been detected in prostate cancer by immunologic and reverse transcriptase-polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) techniques. Recently, prostate cells have been detected in human ejaculate. This study aimed to determine if beta-hCG could be detected by RT-PCR from prostatic mRNA isolated from semen, thus providing a noninvasive procedure for prostate cancer detection. RESULTS: Expression of beta-hCG in prostate cancer was confirmed by immunohistochemistry methods. The protein was associated with low-grade disease: Gleason Score 4 through 7 (N = 26; 69%) but not high-grade (Gleason 8 or 9) or metastatic (lymph node) disease (N = 12; 8%). Normal prostate tissue was negative for beta-hCG (N = 14). The beta-hCG RT-PCR was performed on RNA extracted from seven human prostate cancer cell lines, which showed variable expression of beta-hCG mRNA. Semen was collected from patients suspected of having carcinoma of the prostate (N = 94) and from volunteers who were under the age of 30 years and had no family history of prostate cancer (N = 9). mRNA for beta-hCG was detected in the ejaculates of 12% of the patients with confirmed prostate cancer (N = 42) but not in any patients found to be negative for cancer (N = 52). Expression of beta-hCG mRNA was found in 22% of the control samples. CONCLUSIONS: The beta-hCG protein is expressed in low-grade prostate cancer and can be detected by RT-PCR in both prostate cancer cell lines and human ejaculate. However, the low percentage of detection in ejaculate suggests that beta-hCG in semen does not provide a useful marker for early prostate cancer detection.
> Susan, Su_Texas my opinions Tsu Dho Nimh - 06 May 2004 12:36 GMT "HCG may also be produced abnormally by certain tumors, especially those that develop from an egg or sperm (germ cell tumors). "
>Can this test determine any breast cancers, lung cancers, bone cancers, >blood cancers, lymph cancers, etc? No. HCG is not normally present in the body (unless you are a pregnent female) at levels high enough to be detected by the usual lab tests. It's only present if the cancer is producing it, which most often happens when it's a cancer that started with eggs or sperm precursor cells.
If the HCG-producing cancer has spread into othre tissues, it will probably still be producing it, but it's not common for a tumor in the lung, breast or brain to be making it.
Tsu Dho Nimh
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Anth - 05 May 2004 13:51 GMT > "HCG may also be produced abnormally by certain tumors, > especially those that develop from an egg or sperm (germ cell [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > it, which most often happens when it's a cancer that started with > eggs or sperm precursor cells. HCG is present in all cancer cell lines tested, it is a sign of cancer.
> If the HCG-producing cancer has spread into othre tissues, it > will probably still be producing it, but it's not common for a > tumor in the lung, breast or brain to be making it. > > Tsu Dho Nimh Anth
Tsu Dho Nimh - 07 May 2004 13:06 GMT >HCG is present in all cancer cell lines tested, it is a sign of cancer. HCG is present in all normal cell lines tested too, therefore it's also a sign of normalcy.
It's present in tiny amounts in everyone, men and women, if you use ultra-sensitive lab tests. It's produced (normally) in high quantities during pregnancy.
High quantities in a non-pregnant persons indi9cates something wrong - usually a tumor.
Tsu Dho Nimh
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Anth - 08 May 2004 02:39 GMT Cool I didn't know it was present in tiny amounts, have you got any references to this for me to look at? (I think this would make sense as I've read the body deals with cancer cells on a daily basis) Thanks Anth
> >HCG is present in all cancer cell lines tested, it is a sign of cancer. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Tsu Dho Nimh Tsu Dho Nimh - 11 May 2004 22:22 GMT >Cool I didn't know it was present in tiny amounts, have you got any >references to this for me to look at? I remembered that from my lab tech training - it's why ultra-sensitive hormone testing is not widely used, because you reach a point where the test doesn't help diagnose anything. You could search the web.
>(I think this would make sense as I've read the body deals with cancer cells >on a daily basis) ONE MORE TIME: HCG has NOTHING to do with cancer! It can be present in SOME cancers, but unles you have high levels in a non-pregnant female or any male, IT MEANS NOTHING.
>> >HCG is present in all cancer cell lines tested, it is a sign of cancer. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> Tsu Dho Nimh Tsu Dho Nimh
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su-texas@webtv.net - 10 May 2004 21:45 GMT This article about hCG, was recently posted here:
[http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/2020/PRIMETIME_010419_abbott_feature.html]
High hCG Levels, False Positives:
"Rufer is among the 10 percent of the population, whose blood contains natural substances that can interfere with lab tests, and cause results that are false positive."
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"I can't have kids," she says, "and I desperately want to have a family." Compounding the physical and emotional pain that haunts her every day, doctors have discovered Rufer never had cancer at all.
Rufer has brought a lawsuit against Abbott Laboratories, one of the world's largest diagnostic and pharmaceutical companies, ... claiming that flawed results from their Axsym BHCG pregnancy test led to unnecessary cancer treatments, including chemotherapy and a hysterectomy.
High HCG Level
Three years ago, soon after Rufer was married, she went to the doctor because of irregular bleeding. The doctor took a blood sample for the Axsym BHCG routine pregnancy test, one of the most common blood pregnancy tests in the country.
The test results came back positive, showing Rufer was pregnant. But her doctor could find no baby. Additional Axsym pregnancy tests came back positive for Rufer, and still there was no indication of a pregancy.
When a woman is pregnant, she produces high levels of a hormone called beta human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG).
But if there is no baby, the elevated HCG levels can be a sign of a rare form of cancer, called a "gestational trophoblastic tumor".
If untreated, it can spread rapidly and kill. If treated early with chemotherapy, it is highly curable. In fact, early treatment is so important, that doctors sometimes order chemotherapy, even if there is no evidence of a tumor.
Rufer was referred to a cancer specialist, at the University of Washington Medical Center in Seattle, for more extensive tests. Though scans showed no sign of a tumor, her HCG level continued to be alarmingly high. Doctors diagnosed her with cancer, and she began chemotherapy immediately.
Chemotherapy continued for four months, but Rufer's HCG levels on the Abbott test remained between 250 and 350, while a normal level is less than five.
She was told she would have to have a hysterectomy. Tissue samples after her hysterectomy, showed no evidence of cancer.
At first, her HCG levels dropped, but then went back up. Then, doctors saw two suspicious spots on her lung scan, so she had additional surgery. Doctors still found no cancer, and yet her HCG levels remained elevated.
Then came a stunning relevation: "They ended up finding out that I have never had cancer," says Rufer. "That this test was faulty from the beginning, and that I had never had this disease. I had been treated for no reason at all."
False Positives
Rufer is not the first, to have blood pregnancy test results, indicate a false positive.
Laurence Cole, a Yale University researcher who published an article about women who are misdiagnosed with cancer, based on incorrect pregnancy tests, ... found that Rufer is among the 10 percent of the population, whose blood contains natural substances that can interfere with lab tests, and cause results that are false positive. No lab test is 100 percent perfect, and other companies that make pregnancy tests measuring HCG, have also shown false positives. But Cole, who has become an expert witness in cases against Abbott, believes the company has a greater problem. "We are still to this day, hearing about false positive results in the Abbott Axsym test," he says.
Abbott's Response
In numerous statements to ABCNEWS, Abbott insists its test is no more prone to false positives, than any other test on the market.
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Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
Tsu Dho Nimh - 11 May 2004 22:24 GMT >This article about hCG, was recently posted here: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >natural substances that can interfere with lab tests, and cause results >that are false positive." There are also instances where the pregnancy tests were never poritive ... right up to the day the baby was delivered.
>The test results came back positive, showing Rufer was pregnant. But her >doctor could find no baby. Additional Axsym pregnancy tests came back >positive for Rufer, and still there was no indication of a pregancy. That was their mistake: not trying a different brand as a doublecheck. I find it hard to believe that with all those different labs she didn't have other brands used.
Tsu Dho Nimh
 Signature When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or your kid and run for your life.
gapeach70 - 14 Dec 2007 04:22 GMT I had a hysterectomy (uterus and overies) as a result of chronich endometriosi 6 1/2 years ago and recently went to the hospital ER for a GI illness. As is normal, labs were drawn, and HCg was detected. When I visited my GI dr., he sent me to an outside lab for tests, one of which was HCg quant. The level initially (qualitative) was a 7, and in a matter of days jumped to 12. My question is if I don't have any reproductive organs what would cause the hormone to be detected? I started on an HRT six months after surgery to make sure all endometrial tissue was gone. I would really like a response to my question. Thank you.
>This article about hCG, was recently posted here: > [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > >Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
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