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Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know
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PCisneros - 22 Apr 2004 06:34 GMT Independen Distributor and Herbal Consultant for Nature's Sunshine Ph testing: Is your body alkaline or acidic. Urine and Saliva can say a lot about your body's chemistry and what is currently happening...And a simple test can tell you what your levels are and what do they represent: Are your different body systems been affected by your bodily fluids being out of control. Has any body read anything about it? Would you like to know more Pcisneros at www.mynsp.com/web/cisneros
Peter Moran - 22 Apr 2004 10:02 GMT > Independen Distributor and Herbal Consultant for Nature's Sunshine > Ph testing: Is your body alkaline or acidic. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Pcisneros at > www.mynsp.com/web/cisneros You cannot change the level at which your body's pH is set, and it is unwise to try. I have also never seen any alternative source produce evidence that saliva or urinary pH gives meaningful information about blood pH. The buffering system of the blood and the rapid control of pH via CO2 loss or retention via the lungs means that the pH remains stable despite many influences that would change it.
Look it up in any physiology textbook before buying into this.
Peter Moran
Jan - 22 Apr 2004 22:37 GMT >Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know >From: "Peter Moran" moringa@gil.com.au [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >You cannot change the level at which your body's pH is set, No it is not. This is just one more thing organized medicine has not excepted. The fact that alternative medicine are getting reslults with balancing the ph level is *why* it is being fought.
Do your own research and you will find Peter Moran is wrong.
Ignore the screams from the *gang* when any information is taken from anyone who sells products to balance the ph. Below are just a very few websites that explain the ph level, there are many more.
Jan
http://www.rawhealth.net/bodyph.htm
The imbalance can cuase all kinds of problems. If conventional medicine won't admit to it, it is no wonder we have so many *unansered *health problems. == Have you ever changed your dietary habits to more fruits and vegetables, or experimented with non-animal flesh dishes. Improving a lifetime of eating habits is not an easy task. Regardless of the reasons, most are not aware of the physiological necessity of a plant-based diet. The pH scale ranges from 1-14. The highest acid level possible is a 1pH. The most alkaline level possible is a 14pH. The proportion of acid minerals relative to alkaline minerals is the major factor I use often to understand what is happening internally. Body chemistry has a delicate range between 6.8-7.4 pH for proper maintenance of health. This pH range is necessary for the whole body to function well physically, emotionally, and mentally. That is not a philosophy; it is a physiological fact for cellular integrity.
The environment of the stomach is acidic, while the intestine environment "ideally" is alkaline. I use the word a "ideally" with intention. Due to the poor diet of our modern culture, the intestines are generally more acidic than nature intended it to be. As the landscape of dis-ease is created, it turns into an environment of parasitic and bacterial infestation, opposed to an alkaline symbiotic homeostases. Would you prefer creating a toxic, acidic, anaerobic, parasite-laden, and systemically dis-eased body, or an alkaline, oxygen rich cellular system, which is vitally strong, and capable of defending itself against common illnesses associated with an average lifestyle? The decision is yours. Every action you take is a choice toward health or death. Which will you choose?
Characteristic of Alkalinity
There are five alkaline-forming minerals, also known as acid-binding minerals. These minerals are: calcium, potassium, sodium, magnesium, and iron. Each of these are important for creating a healthy alkaline environment. These minerals bind with acid minerals and evacuate those acidic and toxic substances. Consuming more alkaline foods allows for a mucousless body. A vision of a mucous-free body is no sinus congestion, chronic lymphatic congestion or swelling, fluid accumulation in the lungs, joint calcification, calcium deficiency, etc. A person who has properly balanced pH will be happy, content, free of body aches, and muscle cramps. They will enjoy being emotionally stable and mentally clear. The result are extraordinary because the tissues will exist in their natural and optimal alkaline environment, conducive for health. Thoughts and emotions are powerful forces that can alter our internal chemistry. Happy people can life longer and healthier because a positive attitude will help create an alkaline environment. As you may have already guessed, negative thoughts and emotions create acidic waste. I have observed many people who have average to fair diets live a healthier life because their outlook or disposition is joyous. Conversely, a person with dark thoughts and aggressive emotions will not find greater health on a better diet until they deal with the greater underlying issues of negativity. The graph on frequency illustrated how the emotional and mental energies have a greater influence on the body than the lower frequencies of fresh produce or herbs. The same holds true with their effects on body pH. Sunlight effects the levels of acid within the body as well. An alkaline chemistry is enhanced by the presence of full spectrum sunlight. The opposite is true in the absence of sunlight. Darkness creates acid build-up within bodily tissues. The effects compromise the immune system, skin vitality, vitamin D production, and more. Realize to the marrow of your bones that intention with integrity produces the best health possible. There are no quick fixes for the long-term health and well-being.
Alkalinity creates. . . Acidity creates. . . Sense of oneness & harmony Allows for friendly bacteria Healthy organs & glands Decreased body aches Diminished illness Relaxed behavior Mucousless body Cellular health Well-being Happiness Irritability Depression Mucous build-up Auto intoxication Anxious behavior Increased illness Cellular degradation Increases body aches Allows for bad bacteria Sense of separation & pain
In 1911, Dr. Alexis Carrel began what is now called "The chicken heart study." While working in his laboratory he discovered that it was possible to keep a chicken heart alive as long as it remained in a colloidal nutrient solution and replenished it faithfully every 48 hours. By following this simple procedure he was able to sustain the life of that tissue for 25 years! A second study which used different cellular tissue had similar results. These are remarkable findings. Imagine this possibility; all creatures upon this planet have the opportunity for immortality. By supplying a cell with its required nutrition and removing any metabolic or toxic waste, it can live indefinitely. There is documentation in Chinese medical writings were a doctor would remove toxic or damaged organs from a person and submerge this organ in a water or herbal bath. Once the tissues were properly washed and allowed to soak-up nutritive fluids, it was reattached to the person. This procedure was a successful and common practice that gave a patient marked improvement in their health. This is why fluid exchange is vitally necessary for cellular integrity. Next time you choose your thoughts, actions, reactions and foods, be aware of this mortality-factor.
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Characteristics of Acidity
Acidity, by its nature, breaks down bodily tissue. It is created by metabolic, dietary and environmental waste. The minerals which are acid-forming also known as alkaline-binding minerals are: phosphorous, chlorine, sulfur, silicon, iodine, and bromine. Acids are highly irritating to delicate internal tissue. An acidic chemistry will promote tissue dis-ease and symptomatic side-effects. Cells can adapt to their unnaturally acidic environment. That abnormal cell-growth is often diagnosed as tumorous or cancerous. My research and experience has shown that most dis-ease is a result of acidic build-up and an anaerobic environment. This may sound over simplified, yet it is the initial "root cause." In addition, when acidic accumulation is not eliminated properly, body alkalinity decreases and acidity increases. An acidic pH will greatly disrupt the body's mineral balance of the three dominant alkaline minerals: sodium, calcium, magnesium. The body will take calcium from the bones to neutralize the acid environment. Eventually it will use up or transmute its own reserve of alkaline minerals to balance its chemistry. When toxins remain: calcium deposits, tissue inflammation, joints and bones deterioration, swollen joints, body aches, tumors, lymph congestion, excess mucus production, skin problems, allergies, colds, flu, swollen tonsils, loss of eyesight. In addition to this, a host of severe aggravation will occur from yeast and parasitic infections. As a natural metabolic process, acids are created and ideally released out of the 5 eliminative organs: bowels, kidney, lungs, skin and lymph. All dis-ease, from viral infection to organ dysfunction, will develop acidic waste. When the proper proportions of quality nutrition and water are consumed, then optimum health is achievable. The body works in various ways to remove the poisonous waste. Eventually it must be removed. Suppressing a healing opportunity or toxins with synthetic drugs will inhibit body's janitorial service from serving you properly. When symptoms are suppressed acidic waste does not it to leave the body. These waste products dry-up and become dormant pockets of condensed waste without an adequate outlet. This causes the surrounding tissues to mutate. If the acid environment is left unregulated it will eventually result in abnormal cell-growth. If health tissue is able it will encapsulate the toxic and abnormal cells to keep it from further harming local tissue.
http://www.discoverhealthandwealth.com/articles/ph-factor.html
http://biomedx.com/microscopes/rrintro/rr4.html
http://www.souzaoenterprises.com/pH.html http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/phbalancearticle.html
Hawki63 - 23 Apr 2004 02:24 GMT >Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know >From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) >Date: 4/22/2004 2:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <20040422173732.07460.00000226@mb-m02.aol.com> Jan says
>No it is not. This is just one more thing organized medicine has not >excepted. again..Janster...try and use a spell check...plus a dictionary would help..
not EXCEPT but ACCEPT
you are making your lack of formal education more and more apparent
>The fact that alternative medicine are getting reslults with balancing the ph >level is *why* it is being fought. a/ it is pH not ph or PH...as your Gang contines to misspell if one cannot spell the word..it is unlikely they have a clue as to its physiology
b/ it is truly laughable..if not pathetic that so many alties continue to accept this bullshit...the BODY has several systems to "balance" the pH...it cannot be done in ways in which you don't even have a clue about
>Do your own research and you will find Peter Moran is wrong. I believe our "research" is called..education in the physical sciences...your idea of "research" comes close to resembling reading the National Enquirer..
saying it is so...doesn't make it so
>*gang* when any information is taken from anyone >who sells products to balance to balance the pH...one does not need "products"...one needs functioning lungs and kidneys...and perhaps a stint in the ICU
hawki.....
Hawki63 - 23 Apr 2004 02:28 GMT >Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know >From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) >Date: 4/22/2004 2:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <20040422173732.07460.00000226@mb-m02.aol.com>
>The imbalance can cuase all kinds of problems. If conventional medicine won't >admit to it, it is no wonder we have so many *unansered *health problems. actually an imbalance can cause death..Janster...so no need to worry your head about such....
>cuase CAUSE
>unansered unanswered
Janster... I continue to be amazed how your have the gall to blather on and on about subjects you surely cannot fathom...
when you obviously have a real problem with elementary school grammar
hawki.....
M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 23, 2004 - 23 Apr 2004 14:56 GMT > >Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know > >From: "Peter Moran" moringa@gil.com.au [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Do your own research and you will find Peter Moran is wrong. If one does their own research in the area of human physiology, one finds that Peter is right on. If one looks at non-factual information, or sales hype (is there a difference in AltWorld???) one agrees with Jan.
> Ignore the screams from the *gang* when any information is taken from anyone > who sells products to balance the ph. Below are just a very few websites that > explain the ph level, there are many more. Jan incorrectly refers to those people who post factual information as "the gang" when she knows full well that their proper name is The Truth Squad.
Drceephd1 - 23 Apr 2004 00:07 GMT >Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know >From: "Peter Moran" moringa@gil.com.au >Date: 4/22/04 5:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time >Message-id: ><40878a1f$0$620$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>
>You cannot change the level at which your body's pH is set, and it is unwise >to try. That is not true, but you are wise to leave it to the body to control. The blood has many buffers. Protein buffers, phosphate buffers, carbonate-bicarbonate with the CO2, etc. The blood must be kept in a very narrow pH range and only the body intellect can do this.
> I have also never seen any alternative source produce evidence >that saliva or urinary pH gives meaningful information about blood pH. You are poorly read then. Saliva and urinary pH does not give info about the blood since the blood is so well buffered. It does give info about the tissues , your mineral balance, and your bodily acidosis level.
>Look it up in any physiology textbook before buying into this. Guyton is a good textbook.
But even Guyton, as you, does not comprehend nor understand what I am talking about.
DrC PhD
Rich.@. - 23 Apr 2004 01:32 GMT
>But even Guyton, as you, does not comprehend nor understand what I am talking >about. > >DrC PhD There are very few people who can comprehend what you are talking about.
Aloha,
Rich
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God Bless Ilsa Nine - 23 Apr 2004 14:17 GMT >>But even Guyton, as you, does not comprehend nor understand what I am >talking [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >There are very few people who can comprehend what you are talking >about. Actually, the order takers at Taco Bell hear him loud and clear.
>Aloha, > >Rich Gymmy Bob - 23 Apr 2004 03:12 GMT I find L-Gaba helps immensely to maintain pH balance for me.
> >Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know > >From: "Peter Moran" moringa@gil.com.au [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > DrC PhD Kim - 23 Apr 2004 03:54 GMT > I find L-Gaba helps immensely to maintain pH balance for me. ======================= And just how do you check your pH balance at home? What test are you using?
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Hawki63 - 23 Apr 2004 04:59 GMT >Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know >From: "Gymmy Bob" NoThanx@spammie.com >Date: 4/22/2004 7:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <aK2dne4gwcOB5hXdRVn-tA@golden.net>
>I find L-Gaba helps immensely to maintain pH balance for me. why....don't you have normal kidneys and lungs??
is all ya need
hawki.....
Carole - 23 Apr 2004 12:57 GMT > >Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know > >From: "Gymmy Bob" NoThanx@spammie.com [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > why....don't you have normal kidneys and lungs?? And you call yourself a thinking person. Using the same argument you could say that diabetes have a pancreas and don't need insulin injections. Or asthmatics have lungs and don't need puffers.
Getting back to the argument of pH is it obvious the conventional mob have been badly let down once more in yet another area of basic health. But what is new? This is an ongoing saga with the conventional mob failing to admit to any natural process within the body.
From my experience the only most effective method for improving the pH of the blood is with cellsalts - primarily sodium phosphate and sulphate, and silica to a lesser extent.
From the Biochemic Handbook by JB Chapman MD and Edward L Perry MD
"NAT.PHOS. (Sodium Phosphate) Nat.Phos. is an acid neutraliser. It is the principal remedy for the wide group of ailments arising from an acid condition of the blood. This tissue-salt is also of importance for the proper functioning of the digestive organs. The assimilation of fats and other nutrients is dependent on the action of this remedy. A deficiency of Nat.Phos. allows uric acid to form salts which become deposited around the joints and tissues giving rise to stiffness and swelling, and other painful rheumatic symptoms. Nat.Phos. is indicated whenever symptoms of acidity are present, such as acid dyspepsia, pain and eating and similar digestive disorders. Other indications are highly coloured urine, golden-yellow or creamy coating at the root of the tongue (the whole tongue may sometimes present the appearance of a piece of washleather), worms, nervous irritability. Sleeplessness caused by indigestion can sometimes be remedied with a dose of Nat.Phos. kept handy by the bedside. This remedy is of importance in the treatment of rheumatism, lumbago, fibrositis and associated ailments. An aid state of the blood occurs when there is a deficiency of the soothing, acid-neutralising tissue-salt, Nat.Phos.
NAT.SULPH. (Sodium Sulphate) Nat.Sulph. regulates the density of the intercellular fluids (fluids which bathe the tissue-cells) by eliminating excess water. This tissue-salt largely controls the healthy functioning of the liver; it ensures an adequate supply of free-flowing, healthy bile, so necessary for the later stages of digestion. The removal of poison-charged fluids, which are the normal result of the chemical changes constantly taking place in the tissue-cells, is brought about by the action of Nat.Sulph. If conditions arise which allow these waste fluids to accumulate in the blood and tissues, auto-intoxication (self-poisoning) is the result. Nat.Sulph. ensures the disposal of these poison-charged fluids and its importance in the treatment of rheumatic ailments is therefore self-evident. Nat.Sulph. is indicated in the treatment of ailments affecting the liver, e.g, biliousness. Sandy deposits in the urine, watery infiltrations, a brownish-green coating of the tongue and a bitter taste in the mouth are some of the symptoms. It is the principal remedy in the treatment of influenza. Humid asthma, malaria and other conditions associated with humidity need this remedy. A few doses of Nat.Sulph. will help to dispel that languid feeling so often experienced during a spell of humid, oppressive weather.
SILICA (Silicic Oxide) Silica is a cleanser and eliminator. It is a deep-acting remedy which helps the body to throw off non-functional organic matter that may have arrived at a given point during Nature's effort to eliminate it from the system. It can often initiate the healing process by promoting suppuration and breaking up pathological accumulations e.g., abscesses. Silica is a constituent of the hair, skin, nails and surfaces of the bones. It also acts in the manner of an insulator for the nerves. In cases of checked perspiration, Silica restores the activity of the skin, thereby aiding this important cleansing process. It is the biochemic remedy for offensive perspiration of the feet and arm-pits. Silica is indicted where-ever there is pus formation or threatened suppuration e.g., abscesses, boils, gumboils, styes, etc. It is useful in the treatment of tonsillitis when pus has begun to form. Brittle or crippled nails and diseases affecting the surfaces of the bones need this remedy. Silica is helpful as a supplementary remedy in cases of dyspepsia and pains in the region of the stomach. The symptoms are usually worse at night and in the morning and are relieved by the application of heat."
Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/acidity.htm
Hawki63 - 23 Apr 2004 17:31 GMT >Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know >From: hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au (Carole) >Date: 4/23/2004 4:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <77ed1283.0404230357.35d04839@posting.google.com>
>> why....don't you have normal kidneys and lungs?? hmmm...yep I said the above..
then Carole countered:
>And you call yourself a thinking person. Using the same argument you >could say that diabetes have a pancreas and don't need insulin uhhhh...not an analogy...I asked if he had NORMAL kidneys and lungs to keep his pH in line...
obviously....a diabetic does not have a "normal pancreas"....or if type II...they MAY have a normal pancreas,,produce insulin..but the CELLS are resistant to the insulin....
not a valid comparision
>Or asthmatics have lungs and don't need puffers. again...asthmatics do not have "normal" lungs.....they suffer from inflammation..and bronchoconstriction..ie why they need puffers....having an organ obviously does not mean they function correctly..
funny..in my 18 years working in dialysis...probably most of the patients HAD kidneys....however said kidneys did not work..hence need for dialysis..
>From my experience the only most effective method for improving the pH >of the blood is with cellsalts - "your experience?"..what you need is some "experience" in an ICU...then perhaps you would have a clue..
but maybe not...
hawki.....
Carole - 26 Apr 2004 06:27 GMT > >> why....don't you have normal kidneys and lungs?? If you read the article http://www.euroamericanhealth.com/how.html you will find out how a person gets base deficient in alkalising minerals.
> hmmm...yep I said the above.. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > uhhhh...not an analogy...I asked if he had NORMAL kidneys and lungs to keep his > pH in line... Its a bit more complicated than having lungs and kidneys.
> obviously....a diabetic does not have a "normal pancreas"....or if type > II...they MAY have a normal pancreas,,produce insulin..but the CELLS are > resistant to the insulin.... There are two types of acids in the body, weak and strong acids. The strong acids are only eliminated by combining them with minerals out of the body to neutralise them.
> not a valid comparision Wrong. You say the lungs and kidneys are all there is to it, and I say if that was the case, diabetics have pancreases and asthmatics have lungs. Which describes the condition of a healthy person. Disease changes things.
> >Or asthmatics have lungs and don't need puffers. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > "your experience?"..what you need is some "experience" in an ICU...then perhaps > you would have a clue.. People in ICU are bad cases. If preventive medicine was used, there wouldn't be a need for ICU.
Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/acidity.htm
David Wright - 24 Apr 2004 18:47 GMT >> >Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know >> >From: "Gymmy Bob" NoThanx@spammie.com [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >This is an ongoing saga with the conventional mob failing to admit to >any natural process within the body. What a silly comment -- as if all processes in the body weren't "natural."
>From my experience the only most effective method for improving the pH >of the blood is with cellsalts - primarily sodium phosphate and >sulphate, and silica to a lesser extent. Guess what, Carole? You don't *have* any experience in improving the pH of the blood -- with cell salts or anything else. For one thing, you haven't tested your blood's pH, and even if you had, you'd have found that it stays in a very tight range no matter what.
Even "Dr" Cee admits this.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Carole - 26 Apr 2004 06:33 GMT > >And you call yourself a thinking person. Using the same argument you > >could say that diabetes have a pancreas and don't need insulin [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > What a silly comment -- as if all processes in the body weren't > "natural." So's thinking, but you don't do it.
> >From my experience the only most effective method for improving the pH > >of the blood is with cellsalts - primarily sodium phosphate and > >sulphate, and silica to a lesser extent. > > Guess what, Carole? You don't *have* any experience in improving the > pH of the blood -- with cell salts or anything else. For one thing, Yeah, I do. I have my own personal experience Dave. And what do you know about it "the lungs and the kidneys do it all".
> you haven't tested your blood's pH, and even if you had, you'd have > found that it stays in a very tight range no matter what. I know that. It stays at 7.6. But what do you know about acid attacks or acidosis? I would what you have been taught in med school or wherever you attended ...zilch.
> Even "Dr" Cee admits this. Getting desperate now Dave. You must be to quote DrC.
Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/acidity.htm
DRCEEPHD - 26 Apr 2004 23:50 GMT >Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know >From: hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au (Carole) >Date: 4/26/04 1:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time >Message-id: <77ed1283.0404252133.63e031bd@posting.google.com>
>I know that. It stays at 7.6. >But what do you know about acid attacks or acidosis? I would what you >have been taught in med school or wherever you attended ...zilch. At a blood pH of 7.6 you would have alkalosis and be dead.
The blood pH is 7.400. The carbonate/bicarbonate buffer, the phosphate buffers, and the protein buffers see to that. This does not keep the tissues and the intercelluar space around the cells at the same pH. The tissues and the space between the cells can be a very different pH. If this were not true, we humans would have died out a long time ago with our processed foods, chemicals, and metabolic poisons.
DrC PhD
Carole - 16 May 2004 01:31 GMT > >Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know > >From: hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au (Carole) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The blood pH is 7.400. The carbonate/bicarbonate buffer, the phosphate > buffers, and the protein buffers see to that. My mistake. Of course you're right, its 7.4 as mentioned in article You are alkaline - http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=681f8n%24du0%40bgtnsc03. worldnet.att.net&output=gplain.
Here is an interesting snippet about acidity by the father of electricity, Nikola Tesla - from http://www.lostartsmedia.com/nikolatesla.html
Kansas City Journal-Post September 10, 1933
TREMENDOUS NEW POWER SOON TO BE UNLEASHED "One of the most fundamental and also one of the saddest facts in human life is well brought out in a French proverb which, freely translated, means: 'If youth had the knowledge, and age the power of doing,"' said Mr. Tesla "our condition of body and mind in old age is merely a certificate of how we have spent our youth. The secret of my own strength and vitality today is that in my youth I led what you might call a virtuous life.
"I have never dissipated. When I was a young man I understood well the significance of that old French proverb, although I doubt that I had even heard it then. But I seem to have a clear understanding while still young that I must control my passions and appetites if I wanted to make some of my dreams come true.
"So with this in view, quite early in life I set about disciplining myself, planning out a program of living for what I considered the most sane and worthwhile life.
"Since I love my work above all things, it is only natural that I should wish to continue it until I die. I want no vacation - no surcease from my labors. If people would select a life work compatible with their temperaments, the sum total of happiness would be immeasurably increased in the world.
"Many are saddened and depressed by the brevity of life. 'What is the use of attempting to accomplish anything?' they say. 'Life is so short. We may never live to see the completion of the task.' Well, people could prolong their lives considerably if they would but make the effort. Human beings do so many things that pave the way to an early grave.
"First of all, we eat too much , but this we have heard said often before. And we eat the wrong kinds of foods and drink the wrong kinds of liquids. Most of the harm is done by overeating and under-exercising, which bring about toxic conditions in the body and make it impossible to throw off the accumulated poisons.
"My regime for the good life and my diet? Well, for one thing, I drink plenty of milk and water.
"Why overburden the bodies that serve us? I eat but two meals a day, and I avoid all acid-producing foods. Almost everyone eats too many peas and beans and other foods containing uric acid and other poisons. I partake liberally of fresh vegetables, fish and meat sparingly, and rarely. Fish is reputed as fine brain food, but has a very strong acid reaction, as it contains a great deal of phosphorus. Acidity is by far the worst enemy to fight off in old age.
"Potatoes are splendid, and should be eaten at least once a day. They contain valuable mineral salts and are neutralizing.
"I believe in plenty of exercise. I walk eight or ten miles every day, and never take a cab or other conveyances when I have the time to use leg power. I also exercise in my bath daily, for I think that this is of great importance. I take a warm bath, followed by a prolonged cold shower.
Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/acidity.htm
DRCEEPHD - 17 May 2004 01:17 GMT >Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know >From: hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au (Carole) >Date: 5/15/04 8:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time >Message-id: <77ed1283.0405151631.7a7ffbf3@posting.google.com>
>Here is an interesting snippet about acidity by the father of >electricity, Nikola Tesla - from >http://www.lostartsmedia.com/nikolatesla.html Thanks, I enjoyed the read.
DrC PhD
David Wright - 28 Apr 2004 03:11 GMT >> >And you call yourself a thinking person. Using the same argument you >> >could say that diabetes have a pancreas and don't need insulin [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >So's thinking, but you don't do it. That's why I keep reading you, Carole -- you're so unintentionally hilarious.
>> >From my experience the only most effective method for improving the pH >> >of the blood is with cellsalts - primarily sodium phosphate and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Yeah, I do. I have my own personal experience Dave. >And what do you know about it "the lungs and the kidneys do it all". What do YOU know about it? You don't even know what pH *is*. And since you've never measured your blood pH, you can't claim to have influenced it. And you haven't influenced it anyway, since it's kept very stable at 7.4.
>> you haven't tested your blood's pH, and even if you had, you'd have >> found that it stays in a very tight range no matter what. > >I know that. It stays at 7.6. Then why are you claiming to have influenced it?
>But what do you know about acid attacks or acidosis? I would what you >have been taught in med school or wherever you attended ...zilch. But you don't know anything about it -- I have no doubt that "everything you know is wrong." You're not even ignorant, you're deep into negative territory.
As Will Rogers once said, "It ain't what he don't know that bothers me. It's what he knows for sure that ain't so."
>> Even "Dr" Cee admits this. > >Getting desperate now Dave. You must be to quote DrC. I'm sure he deeply respects you also. No, wait, he's the one who corrected you about the normal blood pH. You couldn't even get THAT right.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Carole - 16 May 2004 01:42 GMT > That's why I keep reading you, Carole -- you're so unintentionally > hilarious. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > "everything you know is wrong." You're not even ignorant, you're deep > into negative territory. I've read about the indicators for acidosis and note that when I begin to get health problems and take the anti-acidosis cell salts, my health comes good again. I worked this out years ago from my knowledge of cellsalts.
Why do you think that fruit and vegetables are good? Its because they have minerals that counteract strong acids. See article at
HOW WE BECOME ACID The development of latent "acidosis" http://www.euroamericanhealth.com/how.html
Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/acidity.htm
Gymmy Bob - 16 May 2004 03:30 GMT Blood may be kept at a stable 7.4 pH but a piece of copper wire passes electricity through it even though the number of electrons remains constant.
Blood is still the conduit to pass acids and alkalines through. Whether the blood varies measurably from this process only means whether something tries to regulate it or not. It is still the conduit to effect pH changes in the tissues.
> > That's why I keep reading you, Carole -- you're so unintentionally > > hilarious. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Carole > http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/acidity.htm David Wright - 16 May 2004 04:32 GMT >> That's why I keep reading you, Carole -- you're so unintentionally >> hilarious. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >health comes good again. I worked this out years ago from my knowledge >of cellsalts. A much simpler explanation is that you're a suggestible person, and when you saw this "remedy" that you concluded would make you feel better, you tried it, and voila! You felt better.
This gets back to that thread from Spammin' Dave about the limitations of testimonials...
>Why do you think that fruit and vegetables are good? Its because they >have minerals that counteract strong acids. See article at No, they're good because they contain fiber and lots of vitamins and minerals, not to mention a whole bunch of other chemicals we're just now starting to learn about. The idea that the measly quantity of minerals in fruits and veggies would have any serious effect on the acidity of the body is quite amusing. If anything, the acids in the fruits should make you *more* acid. Cool, huh?
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Carole - 17 May 2004 15:08 GMT > >> >But what do you know about acid attacks or acidosis? I would what you > >> >have been taught in med school or wherever you attended ...zilch. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > when you saw this "remedy" that you concluded would make you feel > better, you tried it, and voila! You felt better. THE pH EQUATION & HEALTH http://biomedx.com/microscopes/rrintro/rr4.html
According to the research of Dr. Enderlein, total healing of chronic illness takes place only when and if the blood is restored to a normal, slightly alkaline pH. In case you missed it, let me say it again...Total healing of chronic illness takes place only when and if the blood is restored to a normal, slightly alkaline pH.
When pH goes off ...
MICROBES in the blood can change shape, mutate, become pathogenic ENZYMES that are constructive can become destructive OXYGEN delivery to cells suffers ORGANS of the body can become compromised, like your brain, or your heart. MINERAL assimilation can get thrown off.
pH control impacts every biochemical process in the body including...
ENZYMES which are part of that biochemical process. There are hundreds if not thousands of enzyme processes which take place in the body. Many are so specific that they are like complex square pegs that need to "fit" into specific square holes in order to carry out their duty. If blood pH is off balance even a little, some important pegs are not "fitting" their respective slots. Enzyme function and thus life itself begins to suffer.
MINERAL ASSIMILATION is affected by pH. Minerals have different pH levels at which they can be assimilated into the body. Minerals on the lower end of the atomic scale can be assimilated in a wider pH range, and minerals higher up on the scale require a narrower and narrower pH range in order to be assimilated by the body. For example….
Sodium and magnesium have wide pH assimilation ranges. It narrows somewhat for calcium and potassium. Narrows more for manganese and iron. More for zinc and copper. More for iodine.
> >Why do you think that fruit and vegetables are good? Its because they > >have minerals that counteract strong acids. See article at [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > acidity of the body is quite amusing. If anything, the acids in the > fruits should make you *more* acid. Cool, huh? See below the foods which contribute to over acid condition of the blood, and those which create an alkaline condition. You will note that oranges and lemons leave an alkaline residue.
Nature cure - Miracles of Alkalizing Diet http://www.healthlibrary.com/reading/ncure/chap11.htm
A - Foods Leaving An Acid Ash (One-Fifth Class) Barley, eggs, bananas (unripe), grain foods, beans, lentils, bread, meats, cereals, nuts except almonds, cakes, oatmeal, chicken, peas, confections, rice, corn, sugar, chocolate, sea foods, coffee, tea B - Foods Leaving An Alkaline Ash ( Four-fifths class ) Almonds, melons, apples, milk, apricots, onions, banana (ripe), oranges, beets, parsley, cabbage, peaches, carrots, pears, cauliflower, pineapple, celery, potatoes, coconuts, pumpkins, cottage cheese, radishes, cucumbers, raisins, dates, spinach, figs (fresh and dry), soyabeans, grapes, tomatoes, lemons, turnips, lettuce
Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/acidity.htm
David Wright - 18 May 2004 03:25 GMT >> >> >But what do you know about acid attacks or acidosis? I would what you >> >> >have been taught in med school or wherever you attended ...zilch. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >illness takes place only when and if the blood is restored to a >normal, slightly alkaline pH. The blood is always at its normal 7.4 (slightly alkaline) pH, or you're in the hospital. You are no more going to "restore" it to that state than you are going to "restore" the moon to being up in the sky.
>When pH goes off ... > >MICROBES in the blood can change shape, mutate, become pathogenic They don't generally mutate, and if they're pathogenic, they're pathogenic no matter what the pH.
>See below the foods which contribute to over acid condition of the >blood, and those which create an alkaline condition. You will note >that oranges and lemons leave an alkaline residue. Sure they do. All that citric acid and they leave an alkaline residue.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Carole - 17 May 2004 15:13 GMT > >> >But what do you know about acid attacks or acidosis? I would what you > >> >have been taught in med school or wherever you attended ...zilch. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > when you saw this "remedy" that you concluded would make you feel > better, you tried it, and voila! You felt better. THE pH EQUATION & HEALTH http://biomedx.com/microscopes/rrintro/rr4.html
According to the research of Dr. Enderlein, total healing of chronic illness takes place only when and if the blood is restored to a normal, slightly alkaline pH. In case you missed it, let me say it again...Total healing of chronic illness takes place only when and if the blood is restored to a normal, slightly alkaline pH.
When pH goes off ...
MICROBES in the blood can change shape, mutate, become pathogenic ENZYMES that are constructive can become destructive OXYGEN delivery to cells suffers ORGANS of the body can become compromised, like your brain, or your heart. MINERAL assimilation can get thrown off.
pH control impacts every biochemical process in the body including...
ENZYMES which are part of that biochemical process. There are hundreds if not thousands of enzyme processes which take place in the body. Many are so specific that they are like complex square pegs that need to "fit" into specific square holes in order to carry out their duty. If blood pH is off balance even a little, some important pegs are not "fitting" their respective slots. Enzyme function and thus life itself begins to suffer.
MINERAL ASSIMILATION is affected by pH. Minerals have different pH levels at which they can be assimilated into the body. Minerals on the lower end of the atomic scale can be assimilated in a wider pH range, and minerals higher up on the scale require a narrower and narrower pH range in order to be assimilated by the body. For example….
Sodium and magnesium have wide pH assimilation ranges. It narrows somewhat for calcium and potassium. Narrows more for manganese and iron. More for zinc and copper. More for iodine.
> >Why do you think that fruit and vegetables are good? Its because they > >have minerals that counteract strong acids. See article at [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > acidity of the body is quite amusing. If anything, the acids in the > fruits should make you *more* acid. Cool, huh? See below the foods which contribute to over acid condition of the blood, and those which create an alkaline condition. You will note that oranges and lemons leave an alkaline residue.
Nature cure - Miracles of Alkalizing Diet http://www.healthlibrary.com/reading/ncure/chap11.htm
A - Foods Leaving An Acid Ash (One-Fifth Class) Barley, eggs, bananas (unripe), grain foods, beans, lentils, bread, meats, cereals, nuts except almonds, cakes, oatmeal, chicken, peas, confections, rice, corn, sugar, chocolate, sea foods, coffee, tea B - Foods Leaving An Alkaline Ash ( Four-fifths class ) Almonds, melons, apples, milk, apricots, onions, banana (ripe), oranges, beets, parsley, cabbage, peaches, carrots, pears, cauliflower, pineapple, celery, potatoes, coconuts, pumpkins, cottage cheese, radishes, cucumbers, raisins, dates, spinach, figs (fresh and dry), soyabeans, grapes, tomatoes, lemons, turnips, lettuce
Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/acidity.htm
Carole - 17 May 2004 15:13 GMT > >> >But what do you know about acid attacks or acidosis? I would what you > >> >have been taught in med school or wherever you attended ...zilch. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > when you saw this "remedy" that you concluded would make you feel > better, you tried it, and voila! You felt better. THE pH EQUATION & HEALTH http://biomedx.com/microscopes/rrintro/rr4.html
According to the research of Dr. Enderlein, total healing of chronic illness takes place only when and if the blood is restored to a normal, slightly alkaline pH. In case you missed it, let me say it again...Total healing of chronic illness takes place only when and if the blood is restored to a normal, slightly alkaline pH.
When pH goes off ...
MICROBES in the blood can change shape, mutate, become pathogenic ENZYMES that are constructive can become destructive OXYGEN delivery to cells suffers ORGANS of the body can become compromised, like your brain, or your heart. MINERAL assimilation can get thrown off.
pH control impacts every biochemical process in the body including...
ENZYMES which are part of that biochemical process. There are hundreds if not thousands of enzyme processes which take place in the body. Many are so specific that they are like complex square pegs that need to "fit" into specific square holes in order to carry out their duty. If blood pH is off balance even a little, some important pegs are not "fitting" their respective slots. Enzyme function and thus life itself begins to suffer.
MINERAL ASSIMILATION is affected by pH. Minerals have different pH levels at which they can be assimilated into the body. Minerals on the lower end of the atomic scale can be assimilated in a wider pH range, and minerals higher up on the scale require a narrower and narrower pH range in order to be assimilated by the body. For example….
Sodium and magnesium have wide pH assimilation ranges. It narrows somewhat for calcium and potassium. Narrows more for manganese and iron. More for zinc and copper. More for iodine.
> >Why do you think that fruit and vegetables are good? Its because they > >have minerals that counteract strong acids. See article at [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > acidity of the body is quite amusing. If anything, the acids in the > fruits should make you *more* acid. Cool, huh? See below the foods which contribute to over acid condition of the blood, and those which create an alkaline condition. You will note that oranges and lemons leave an alkaline residue.
Nature cure - Miracles of Alkalizing Diet http://www.healthlibrary.com/reading/ncure/chap11.htm
A - Foods Leaving An Acid Ash (One-Fifth Class) Barley, eggs, bananas (unripe), grain foods, beans, lentils, bread, meats, cereals, nuts except almonds, cakes, oatmeal, chicken, peas, confections, rice, corn, sugar, chocolate, sea foods, coffee, tea B - Foods Leaving An Alkaline Ash ( Four-fifths class ) Almonds, melons, apples, milk, apricots, onions, banana (ripe), oranges, beets, parsley, cabbage, peaches, carrots, pears, cauliflower, pineapple, celery, potatoes, coconuts, pumpkins, cottage cheese, radishes, cucumbers, raisins, dates, spinach, figs (fresh and dry), soyabeans, grapes, tomatoes, lemons, turnips, lettuce
Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/acidity.htm
Carole - 17 May 2004 18:35 GMT > >From my experience the only most effective method for improving the pH > >of the blood is with cellsalts - primarily sodium phosphate and > >sulphate, and silica to a lesser extent. > > Guess what, Carole? You don't *have* any experience in improving the > pH of the blood -- with cell salts or anything else. That's not strictly true Dave. I do have a lot of experience on this topic accumulated over many years, both from writings of Paul Bragg (nature guru) books and cellsalts.
But from the Biochemic handbook by JB Chapman MD and Edward L Perry MD, -
Acidity "Acidity is a somewhat loose term indicating that the blood, or one or more of the secretions, is less alkaline than it should be. This excess of acid gives rise to many distressing symptoms. There may be gastric disturbance, irritation of the skin and mucous membranes, impoverishment of the blood, palpitation of the heart, twinges of rheumatism, headaches on top of the head with a sense of fullness, a persistent feeling of tiredness and other symptoms of disturbed metabolism. "Whenever signs of acidity make their appearance the principal remedy, Sodium phosphate (nat phos) should be given - irrespective of any other treatment which may be indicated - as this acid state, if allowed to persist, will hamper the action of other cell salts.
* Sodium Phosphate, the acid neutraliser * Sodium sulphate which removes poison charged fluids from the cells * Silica which breaks up the accumulation of crystalline and calcified deposits around the joints and tissues * Magnesium phosphate - burning, tasteless eructions, flatulence, belching."
> For one thing, > you haven't tested your blood's pH, and even if you had, you'd have > found that it stays in a very tight range no matter what. The cellsalts theory relies on symptoms as nature's warnings and blood and saliva tests aren't necessary.
Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/acidity.htm
David Wright - 18 May 2004 03:36 GMT >> >From my experience the only most effective method for improving the pH >> >of the blood is with cellsalts - primarily sodium phosphate and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >That's not strictly true Dave. On the contrary, it's entirely true, since you have never in your life managed to change the pH of your blood more than microscopically.
>> For one thing, >> you haven't tested your blood's pH, and even if you had, you'd have >> found that it stays in a very tight range no matter what. > >The cellsalts theory relies on symptoms as nature's warnings and blood and >saliva tests aren't necessary. How nice. But those symptoms are not symptoms of your blood pH changing.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Carole - 03 Jun 2004 17:40 GMT > >> >From my experience the only most effective method for improving the pH > >> >of the blood is with cellsalts - primarily sodium phosphate and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > On the contrary, it's entirely true, since you have never in your life > managed to change the pH of your blood more than microscopically. OK, I have read that the blood itself doesn't change, but it draws from tissues and bones and secretes acid crystals around the body in joints, muscles and skin in order to keep the blood at the right pH. Satisfied?
> >> For one thing, > >> you haven't tested your blood's pH, and even if you had, you'd have [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > How nice. Yes, it is nice. But I'm sure I could get some litmus paper and test my bodily secretions to see if they correspond to the way I read my symptoms.
> But those symptoms are not symptoms of your blood pH > changing. But saliva pH does change, and tissues become toxic. From what I can gather the blood takes minerals from the tissues and bones to keep itself in balance but this takes a toll on the body.
Read up on acidosis Dave. Treating acidosis is an acknowledged treatment to keep race horses in prime condition but as far as humans go, we need the "more safe and efficious" remedies that only pharmaceutical drugs can provide.
Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/acidy.htm
Hawki63 - 03 Jun 2004 23:46 GMT >Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know >From: hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au (Carole) >Date: 6/3/2004 9:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <77ed1283.0406030840.103e5c0a@posting.google.com>
>OK, I have read that the blood itself doesn't change, but it draws >from tissues and bones and secretes acid crystals around the body in >joints, muscles and skin in order to keep the blood at the right pH. >Satisfied? total bs
>Yes, it is nice. But I'm sure I could get some litmus paper and test >my bodily secretions to see if they correspond to the way I read my >symptoms. yes..certainly your bodily secretion's pH would vary from time to time...
this is called normal
you read your symptoms is NOT normal
> but as far as humans >go, we need the "more safe and efficious" remedies that only >pharmaceutical drugs can prov not true...in the absence of serious illness...all one needs is normal lungs and kidneys and blood pH remains in the very tight range necessary
don't know about horses....and you may be referring to lactic acidosis which builds up in muscles following exercising...humans take care of that without meds as well...
it is called physiology
read up on it...in a REAL textbook
hawki.....
David Wright - 04 Jun 2004 04:51 GMT >> >> >From my experience the only most effective method for improving the pH >> >> >of the blood is with cellsalts - primarily sodium phosphate and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >joints, muscles and skin in order to keep the blood at the right pH. >Satisfied? With you, I'll take what progress I can get.
>> >The cellsalts theory relies on symptoms as nature's warnings and >> >blood and saliva tests aren't necessary. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >my bodily secretions to see if they correspond to the way I read my >symptoms. And amazingly enough, I'm sure they do -- or if they don't, I'm sure you've rationalized your way around it.
>> But those symptoms are not symptoms of your blood pH changing. > >But saliva pH does change, and tissues become toxic. From what I can >gather the blood takes minerals from the tissues and bones to keep >itself in balance but this takes a toll on the body. It's how the system is supposed to work. It's only a problem if you don't get enough nutrients to replace any losses.
>Read up on acidosis Dave. Treating acidosis is an acknowledged >treatment to keep race horses in prime condition but as far as humans >go, we need the "more safe and efficious" remedies that only >pharmaceutical drugs can provide. We allow things to be done to racehorses we don't allow to humans. Unless you enjoy being hit with a riding crop? (And if you do, I don't want to know.)
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Carole - 05 Jun 2004 00:24 GMT > >But saliva pH does change, and tissues become toxic. From what I can > >gather the blood takes minerals from the tissues and bones to keep > >itself in balance but this takes a toll on the body. > > It's how the system is supposed to work. It's only a problem if you > don't get enough nutrients to replace any losses. Huh?! ...Did I read right? I'm going to have a beer today and celebrate this amazing breakthrough.
Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/
David Wright - 05 Jun 2004 04:07 GMT >> >But saliva pH does change, and tissues become toxic. From what I can >> >gather the blood takes minerals from the tissues and bones to keep [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Huh?! ...Did I read right? >I'm going to have a beer today and celebrate this amazing breakthrough. Odd, I was just thinking the same thing about you. Although I must point out that tissues seldom become toxic.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Carole - 05 Jun 2004 16:19 GMT > >> >But saliva pH does change, and tissues become toxic. From what I can > >> >gather the blood takes minerals from the tissues and bones to keep [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Odd, I was just thinking the same thing about you. Although I must > point out that tissues seldom become toxic. Now I know what you put that comment in your signature that "These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct," meaning they aren't always (correct).
Tissues obviously become toxic or diseased e.g., rheumatism, dermatitis, boils, rashes, hives, maybe brain tissue (dementia, senility), kidney tissue, heart, lung tissue.
Everybody has their pet theories, but from my experience acidity is part of the problem. Remedies like fasting, hot and cold water treatments, specific diets, bach remedies or homeopathy seem to work for different people. However, I like the cell salt theory because it addresses acidity specifically and I'm not sure how other treatments handle acidity.
HOW WE BECOME ACID The development of latent "acidosis" http://www.euroamericanhealth.com/how.html "If we look for common denominators to all diseases, factors that make any disease you have worse, then correcting these factors will help and perhaps cure, whatever is wrong with you. The fact is, every disease begins, at a cellular level, with those particular cells becoming acid, toxic, polluted. Since the internal environment or internal milieu the cells live in effects all diseases, this is the best place to start, no matter what is wrong with you."...
"The colloid connective tissue organ of schade As the blood can not change, it picks up the acids and transports them first to the connective tissues of the body where they are stored. This is the largest organ of the body really and in Europe it is called the colloid connective tissue organ of SCHADE. The collagen fibers of the body are specific acid catchers. It is also called a pre-kidney as that is how it functions, storing acids prior to delivery to the kidneys for excretion. Also it is the organ that connects, holds everything in our bodies in place. It is composed of ligaments, tendons and the like obviously but as these break down into finer and finer fibers it becomes literally the scaffolding that holds every single cell in our bodies in place. If too many acids need storing in this organ, which includes the muscles, inflammation and pain develop. Fibromyalgia is an acid disease for sure. The space enclosed by these finer and finer fibers, is called PISHINGER'S SPACE, from the German scientist that described it. Essentially, this is the extracellular space that contains the fluids that bathe and feed each and every cell while carrying away the wastes from those same cells. There is no mention of this organ in American, physiology text books, there is the extracellular space but no organ that stores acids like this, no pre-kidney.
Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/acidity.htm
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. > "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants > were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) Hawki63 - 05 Jun 2004 16:35 GMT >Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know >From: hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au (Carole) >Date: 6/5/2004 8:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <77ed1283.0406050719.c329894@posting.google.com>
>Tissues obviously become toxic or diseased e.g., rheumatism, actually the term "rheumatism" went out about the year of the flood....as we now know that disorders of the bones and joints...ie what used to be caused rheumatism ....have enuf etiologies to fill a text....try reading one
>dermatitis, boils, rashes, hives, maybe brain tissue (dementia,
>senility), kidney tissue, heart, lung tissue. and including all the above in one full swoop...indicates you have NO clue as to etiology...as each ailment is as different as cars in a Walmart parking lot..
tissue "toxicity" not being one of them
this acidity "theory" of yours is all wet
hawki.....
David Wright - 06 Jun 2004 17:47 GMT >> >> >But saliva pH does change, and tissues become toxic. From what I can >> >> >gather the blood takes minerals from the tissues and bones to keep [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >my opinions only, but they're almost always correct," meaning they >aren't always (correct). Obviously. They are, however, correct far more often than you are.
>Tissues obviously become toxic or diseased e.g., rheumatism, >dermatitis, boils, rashes, hives, maybe brain tissue (dementia, >senility), kidney tissue, heart, lung tissue. Toxic and diseased are not synonymous, though you are using them that way. Toxic is a subcategory, and a relatively uncommon one.
>Everybody has their pet theories, but from my experience acidity is >part of the problem. No, from your experience, what you've been told is acidity is what you perceive as part of your problem. I am not impressed with your abilities at either observation or diagnosis, so I decline to join with you in a folie a deux.
>Remedies like fasting, hot and cold water >treatments, specific diets, bach remedies or homeopathy seem to work >for different people. "Seem" is the key word here.
>However, I like the cell salt theory because it >addresses acidity specifically and I'm not sure how other treatments >handle acidity. It makes little sense to think that your beloved cell salts can do much about acidity, as the homeopathic quantities are too small to have any effect on acid levels in the body. It's like thinking you could poison the entire ocean by dumping in a bottle of bleach and stirring thoroughly.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Happy Dog - 07 Jun 2004 20:34 GMT "Carole" <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au>
> Tissues obviously become toxic or diseased "Toxic" is a very simply defined word. It means "poisonous". And, usually, by a chemical means. (Although I recall a sci-fi flick with Christopher Walken and Natalie Wood where recorded experiences could be played directly into one's mind. Some of those recordings were labeled "toxic". Kinda cute...) So, by a stretch, something you have great experience at, you could call some diseased tissues "toxic". But informed medical professionals rarely do. There are more specific terms for the conditions that lead to this. Necrotizing fasciitis comes to mind.
> e.g., rheumatism, > dermatitis, boils, rashes, hives, maybe brain tissue (dementia, > senility), kidney tissue, heart, lung tissue. Yes Carole, those are, indeed diseases. But you might as well have siad "tissues obviously become squishy or diseased.
> Everybody has their pet theories, but from my experience acidity is > part of the problem. Your experience appears to consist of little other than absorbing the rantings of various toxic websites and concocting absurd theories out of whole cloth.
> "The colloid connective tissue organ of schade > As the blood can not change, it picks up the acids and transports them > first to the connective tissues of the body where they are stored. > This is the largest organ of the body really and in Europe it is > called the colloid connective tissue organ of SCHADE. The < snip >
> There is no mention of this organ in American, > physiology text books, There isn't any mention of it in *any* current physiology text books that I can find. Google turns up exactly one reference to "organ of Schade". The thing you posted. Got anything else? Who was Schade?
le moo
Carole - 23 Apr 2004 13:03 GMT > You cannot change the level at which your body's pH is set, and it is unwise > to try. I have also never seen any alternative source produce evidence [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Peter Moran Ah yes, Peter, but there are two types of acidosis. Immediate acidosis where the blood works to keep at 7.6 without deviation, and latent which is a disease state. Due to the problem of acidosis not being dealt with properly when it presents, the acids deposit around the body in joints, tissues and arteries which eventually leads to a debilitated and increasingly precarious state of health, both physically and physiologically. Looks like there is plenty of basic stuff they don't teach you in medical school.
See the following article by Dennis Myers who describes in detail these concepts.
HOW WE BECOME ACID The development of latent "acidosis" http://www.euroamericanhealth.com/how.html If we look for common denominators to all diseases, factors that make any disease you have worse, then correcting these factors will help and perhaps cure, whatever is wrong with you. The fact is, every disease begins, at a cellular level, with those particular cells becoming acid, toxic, polluted. Since the internal environment or internal milieu the cells live in effects all diseases, this is the best place to start, no matter what is wrong with you. The acid/base balance or lack thereof in this internal milieu, is easy to evaluate. Simply, you measure how acid your saliva and urine are, at home. This will be explained thoroughly under Urine and Saliva Testing and as stated this is an exceedingly useful tool in following your own health. HOW WE BECOME ACID First, I would like to describe what a latent" acidosis" is and how we get into such a condition. Then I'll go into some detail about the significance of this as the changes that happen in our body as our cells become acid are profound. Chronic Degenerative Disease is what develops and is what this is all about. pH How acid something is determined by measuring its pH. The pH of anything is set on a scale of from 1 to 14. pH 1 is the most acid, like the acid in your car battery. pH 14 is the most basic, like the lye you spray in an oven to clean it. Water is supposed to be neutral at a pH of 7.0. The pH of the blood has to remain exactly 7.40, all the time...exactly. If the blood's pH rises or falls one tenth of a pH unit you are in intensive care in the hospital where the pH of your blood is monitored very carefully. If it moves two tenths either way it is lethal. How the blood always maintains a constant pH is a very complex matter and one that everything in the body helps to maintain, as everything in the body depends on this sameness. Healthy blood just transports things, in and out. It doesn't change in composition itself, it can't and be healthy. As hospital medicine is only concerned with serious illnesses, this is the only place in regular medicine that pH is taken seriously. Arterial blood pH is measured frequently in intensive care because here the pH of the blood itself does change. This is considered a real acidosis, as compared to a latent one, and is a very serious condition. As far as preventative or regular day to day medicine is concerned these concepts are completely disregarded by modern, allopathic doctors. Because this process of becoming acid correlates directly with the onset of old age and the development of chronic degenerative disease it becomes more important, in a way, to deal with it first, as an 'outpatient', than as a patient in the hospital. *** Strong Acids, Weak Acids and Protein The strong acids in our bodies are those that are formed by the degradation of protein. These are sulfuric acid, phosphoric acid and nitric acid. These are strong, like the battery acid in your car. Strong acids are strong in contradistinction to weak acids such as vinegar and citrus juices. Weak acids do not ionize (break apart completely) when in solution whereas strong acids do. This is why vinegar does not burn holes in your clothes, or dissolve your bones; it does not break apart completely into an acid and a base part, it remains partly a salt. A salt is formed when an acid and a base combine and neutralized each other. In fact, vinegar, although an acid when you eat it, does not stay that way. Weak acids like the acetic acid in vinegar, tartaric acid and the acids in most fruits and lemons contain lots of minerals which are basic, along with their weak acid part. The weak acid part combines with water and is converted into carbonic acid which then breaks apart into carbon dioxide and water. You breathe out the carbon dioxide and pass the water out through your kidneys. The minerals remain behind to replenish deficient minerals so in fact these weak acids in the end, alkalinize the body by adding more minerals to it. The opposite happens with the excretion of strong acids as they take out or leach minerals out of the body. This is where the problem lies. The Main Reason We Become Acid Is From Over-consumption Of Protein When protein breaks down in our bodies, it breaks down into the above mentioned strong acids. These three acids must be excreted by the kidneys because they contain sulfur, phosphorus or nitrogen which cannot break down into water and carbon dioxide to be eliminated as the weak acids are. In their passage through the kidneys these strong acids must take a basic mineral with them because in this way they are converted into their neutral salts and don't burn the kidneys on their way out as would happen if these acids were excreted in their free acid form. Sulfuric acid or any of the strong acids are excreted mainly as the salts of sodium, potassium, magnesium or calcium as these are the main basic minerals of the body, the ones that are the most plentiful. The sulfur in sulfuric acid can and does combine with the calcium in your bones for one and is excreted as the corresponding salt which is called calcium sulfate. This salt does not harm the kidneys on its way through them but it does rob the body of the needed basic calcium. By taking all these basic minerals out of the body you make the body relatively more acid. A latent "acidosis" develops then because the body becomes relatively base deficient. Becoming BASE DEFICIENT is the same as becoming acid, right? Latent "acidosis" is not the frank or real acidosis (so the quotes) of hospital medicine because the pH of the blood itself does not change. * * * We need protein, obviously, but all we need is 40 grams a day, a training athlete may need 80 grams a day. The average American diet on the other hand contains as much as 200 grams of protein per day, that's bacon and eggs for breakfast, etc.. We all know that the "richer" we became as a civilization and more "advanced", the more meat we eat. Plato knew this in ancient Greece and toward the end of that civilization I'm sure they had all the 'modern' degenerative diseases that plague us today and, "fast foods". This is a reason postulated for the extinction of the Mayan Indians, their skeletons are demineralized, as if they too had been soaked in excess acid. Maybe toward the end they became so rich they ate Big-Mac Hamburgers too. * * * The colloid connective tissue organ of schade As the blood can not change, it picks up the acids and transports them first to the connective tissues of the body where they are stored. This is the largest organ of the body really and in Europe it is called the colloid connective tissue organ of SCHADE. The collagen fibers of the body are specific acid catchers. It is also called a pre-kidney as that is how it functions, storing acids prior to delivery to the kidneys for excretion. Also it is the organ that connects, holds everything in our bodies in place. It is composed of ligaments, tendons and the like obviously but as these break down into finer and finer fibers it becomes literally the scaffolding that holds every single cell in our bodies in place. If too many acids need storing in this organ, which includes the muscles, inflammation and pain develop. Fibromyalgia is an acid disease for sure. The space enclosed by these finer and finer fibers, is called PISHINGER'S SPACE, from the German scientist that described it. Essentially, this is the extracellular space that contains the fluids that bathe and feed each and every cell while carrying away the wastes from those same cells. There is no mention of this organ in American, physiology text books, there is the extracellular space but no organ that stores acids like this, no pre-kidney. * * * Base flood and base tide There is also a daily rhythm to this acid-base, ebb and flow called by Friedrich Sander the Base Flood and Base Tide. The stored acids are mobilized from the connective tissues and Pishinger's Space while we sleep. These acids reach their maximum (base tide) concentration in this fluid, and thereby the urine, at 2:00 AM, so the urine is the most acid at this time. The acid content of the urine directly reflects the acid content of the fluid in Pishinger's Space, the extracellular fluid compartment of the body. By the time you get up though, in the morning, all the acids consumed and generated the day before should be gone, excreted while you slept, contained in your bladder and ready to be voided when you wake. This first urine should be acid when you get up in the A.M.. The urine pH you should check though is the pH of the urine measured the second time you empty your bladder in the morning as this reflects the pH of the body fluids at that time, in the morning, not the pH of the urine from the night before. Therefore, your A.M. urine, the second voided specimen after you get up, should be back to about neutral, close to pH 7.00 (pH 6.8 to be exact). Because most everyone is acid, this is hardly ever the case. More and more acids accumulate day after day and chronic, degenerative disease develops as the direct result of the pleomorphic changes that take place in the blood as discussed above. Each day we add to the acids not disposed of the day before. On the other hand, this Pishinger's Space, becomes most alkaline around 2:00 PM, the Base Flood, as then the most bicarbonate is being generated by the cover cells of the stomach (see below), after lunch and breakfast have been metabolized, actually. If your urine is not alkaline at 2:00 P.M. you are definitely in an acid condition. * * * BICARBONATE In the normal situation, hydrochloric acid is produced by the cover cells of the stomach. Table salt, sodium chloride, is split into hydrochloric acid and sodium bicarbonate. The production of each molecule of hydrochloric acid is matched by the production of an equivalent molecule of sodium bicarbonate The acid goes into the stomach and and the sodium bicarbonate goes into the blood stream and circulates all around, first flushing out the excess acid in the tissues and especially, freeing the collagen fibers and the colloidal connective tissue organ from the adsorbed acids stored there. Any bicarb that is left over, is picked up by the alkaline glands, the liver, pancreas, etc.. Of course, this is why our bodies are most alkaline around 2:00 P.M. . This is after our stomachs have pretty well digested breakfast and lunch. The stomachs have made all the hydrochloric acid they needed for that and the equivalent amount of sodium bicarbonate needed to neutralize the body and refill the alkaline glands of the body, pancreas, liver, etc.. After those glands digested the breakfast and lunch they need filled up again too! Where does their alkalinity come from? It comes from the blood and from the alkaline food we eat, our fruits and vegetables as will be described below. An imbalance happens, of course, if enough alkaline food is not eaten and because the sodium bicarbonate generated by the stomach's cover cells, does not all go to the alkaline glands (pancreas, liver, salivary glands and the alkaline glands in the duodenum). On the way through the body to those glands, some of it gets used up by neutralizing acid residues from the previous meal and ones stored in the connective tissue organ from before. If there is not enough base left over after a meal, enough base to neutralize and clear the acids stored in the connective tissues, a relative base deficiency develops which is again, the latent "acidosis". When this happens the liver and pancreas don't end up with enough alkaline juices to ensure proper digestion. Digestion can't proceed without enough of these alkaline juices for the liver and pancreas, etc., so the stomach has to produce more acid, in order to make enough base, ad nauseam, and one can develop stomach ulcers. The ulcer is not the result of too much acid, on the contrary, it is the result of too little base! The 'excess' acid is there as a necessary by product as the organism has to generate it so more bicarb can be made to satisfy the needs of the liver and pancreas. * * * REPLACEMENT OF MINERALS If minerals are lost because they are excreted with the excess protein acids we consume, we can either cut down on such consumption and/or replace the minerals. THESE LOST BASE MINERALS CAN ONLY BE REPLACED WITH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES. We have to eat our fruits and vegetables! "An apple a day does keep the doctor away." This is so because the minerals from plants, organic minerals, are the only ones our bodies can use. Organic minerals are much different then the minerals from rocks, inorganic minerals. Sodium from a plant for example, is much different than the sodium from table salt. For the basis of this discussion it would be best to assume that they are not the same at all. You can eat all the table salt you want and the cells themselves can still be sodium or base deficient. The sodium used for building cells has to be organic, from plants and it is the main base mineral we have because there is so much of it. Sodium chloride or table salt serves an entirely different function in the body. In the same way, calcium from a plant is a lot different from say "Tums for the Tummy". Tums are calcium carbonate or limestone, a ground up rock. We can't digest rocks, that's what plants do. We simply don't eat enough fruits and vegetables to compensate for the minerals lost, because of our "rich", fast life diets. If we are BASE DEFICIENT, and most of us are, then our whole body is in a relatively acid condition. That is all there is to it. * * * LATENT "ACIDOSIS" So, in this acid condition we are talking about, we aren't "acidotic" in so many words, rather we are base deficient. This is why 80 or 90 year old, old folks, are shrunk up, little people. They have no mineral stores left. When all the minerals are gone, so are we, our battery runs down. It is just like a battery. The cells of our body do carry a charge that can be measured as the oxidation/reduction potential of the blood. This energy potential decreases with aging, just as the minerals do. We become more oxidized (so the need for antioxidants). Both things occur because of hyper-proteinization, too much protein. We aren't acidotic as they say in a hospital, in shock, when things have gone so bad that the very pH of the blood itself begins to change, Code Blue. Rather, in a state of latent "acidosis" we are full of stored acid residues, residues stored in the Pishinger space waiting for a ride out on base minerals that aren't there. This is the latent in latent "acidosis". Blood values have not started to change yet, so the acidosis is stored in the tissues as it were. The tissues are acid but technically this is not an acidosis either as the blood appears normal. If things get worse, this latent "acidosis" can proceed into what is called a compensated acidosis. This means the blood pH itself still hasn't started to change but other values in the blood have had to change to keep the blood pH the same 7.40 that it is supposed to be. Decompensated acidosis is when the blood pH itself is effected. * * * Hospital Based Acid / Base Medicine As the blood itself begins to be effected the compensated metabolic acidosis of regular medicine is the next to develop. This is when the blood pH begins to be stressed if you will. Compensated means the blood pH really doesn't change, yet. When it begins to change it is no longer compensated, it has become decompensated. In a compensated acidosis the first event that happens to begin the compensation process is that the breathing rate increases in order to blow off more carbonic acid which helps keeps the pH "normal", at 7.4, not lower which is acid. This is revealed in the arterial blood gasses as a lower PCO2 concentration which is the measure of how much carbon dioxide there is in the blood. Carbon dioxide, CO2, combines with water, H2O, to form carbonic acid, H2CO3. Blow off carbonic acid which will lower the carbon dioxide content of the blood and you will increase the pH of the blood. This increased breathing rate happens in diabetic acidosis for the same reason. Also the plasma bicarbonate level [HCO3-] which is measured as part of the blood gasses, is decreased. Because of the relative base deficiency, the stomach can no longer produce the required amount of stomach acid so the corresponding bicarbonate that should come from the reverse synthesis of the hydrochloric acid, just isn't there. Also since the sodium and other base minerals are decreased, bicarbonate is actually lost out the kidneys because there aren't enough bases like sodium to connect with the bicarbonate so the kidneys can reabsorb them. This point will be covered more below. This is the compensated metabolic acidosis of hospital medicine then, low PCO2 concentration, decreased bicarbonate level [HCO3-] with little effect on blood pH yet. In the type of latent "acidosis" we are talking about there are no changes in the blood gasses. The blood pH, PCO2, [HCO3-], are all normal. The latent "acidosis" we are talking about hasn't developed into the compensated metabolic acidosis described above. When the breathing rate can no longer get any faster and when the kidneys can no longer increase their function to keep up with the acid load then, the blood pH itself does start to change, it can fall from 7.4 down to 7.2. This is decompensated metabolic acidosis and is a most serious condition. At blood pH of 6.95 the heart relaxes with coma and death. * * * Acids that come from outside the body The Latent acidosis described above is through the development of exogenous (the problem comes from the outside of the body) base under-nourishment, not eating enough fruits and vegetables and consuming too much acid protein. This of course produces the relative base deficiency that we call "latent acidosis". * * * Acids That Come From Inside The Body The second way this "latent acidosis" can develop or be aggravated is through the pathological formation of acids in the organism. These are called endogenous acids (come from inside the body). This frequently happens as a consequence of intestinal fermentation in the intestine, too many of the wrong kinds of bacteria there (see below, Dysbiosis). This can also happen if there is a malfunctioning organ in the body, heart, liver, whatever, a diseased organ, an organ injured in an accident or one inherited that way. Anything that doesn't work right, produces toxic, acid by-products, oxidants. These acid by-products then can be the end result of the base under nourishment or malfunctioning organs with the symptoms described above or they can be the forerunners of and cause of further degeneration of organs. When this happens there is no more "latent", acidosis. It becomes a frank acidotic condition, compensated to decompensated acidosis, diabetic coma and the like. With the above scenario come the diseases that call forth, through anomalies of their own metabolism, the more serious acid producing conditions such as diabetes, uremia or kidney failure, hepatic failure, heart failure and other such illnesses. In these conditions the acidosis is only latent in its beginning state. As the illness progresses, the endogenous (from in the body) production of toxic, metabolic acids quickly becomes worse, attacking not only the alkala-reserve of the body, from the liver, pancreas, etc., but also the alkala-reserve of the blood itself. * * * EFFECTS ON DIGESTION Acidification of the intestines As we get base deficient, the digestion itself is also is effected. The bile from the gall bladder and the digestive juices from the pancreas all have to have a lot of base in them, sodium bicarb actually, to be able to neutralize the stomach acid as it passes out of the stomach and into the intestine and in order to activate the enzymes from the pancreas that require an alkaline medium in which to work. If the acid from the stomach isn't neutralized, colitis or inflammation of the intestine can happen. As stated above, the main problem with decreased acid in the stomach is that as the cells that make the acid in the stomach make acid, they also make the base, sodium bicarbonate. If these cells don't make enough acid they don't make enough base either. Again, the sodium bicarbonate/base that is made as the stomach makes its hydrochloric acid is carried by the blood stream to the salivary glands, the gall bladder system, glands in the pylorus (the part of the intestine the stomach is connected to) and the pancreas. These are the alkaline glands of the body and essentially they neutralize the acid contents of the stomach. If there is not enough base to neutralize the acid from the stomach the intestines become acid too. Without enough of this sodium bicarbonate/base for these organs, digestion cannot proceed properly and indigestion occurs. * * * Dysbiosis Also if the pH of the intestines is not right, different bacteria and eventually yeast can grow there, dysbiosis (wrong growth), in place of the bacteria that should be there. This causes its own set of problems. If the environment of the intestines is not alkaline but acid, dysbiosis (wrong growth) occurs. The gut fills with and supports the growth of the wrong kind of bacteria, fungus, yeast, Candida sp., etc.. These bacteria in turn generate their own acidic, toxic by-products of metabolism that further aggravate and maintain the already latent "acidotic" condition. When this dys-biosis or wrong growth begins, it begins with fermentation and as fermentation is the process of eating, metabolizing and excreting that bacteria do, alcohol is produced. Fermentation like this can even cause cirrhosis of the liver in patients that have never drunk alcohol in their life. As when making wine, this fermentation process can go 'bad' and begin to rot. Vinegar and other rotten things are produced. This vinegar acid and the other things can cause "heart burn" too, along with the bloating and gas that come with the fermentation process but this kind of heart burn is not from too much acid, hydrochloric acid, it is from not enough. In this kind of heart burn, that comes an hour or two after you eat, other acids form, acetic acid as in vinegar and other putrefactive acids. These acids cause the "heart" burn. The meal is not digesting well as with a good amount of hydrochloric acid, it is fermenting instead. These rotten things are reabsorbed back into the body and picked up by the blood like anything in the gut. These rotting things in the gut just don't make you feel well. It's why there are constipation headaches, sleepless nights from food eaten too late to digest (nights where undigested food just ferments and rots all night, makes bad dreams). The skin also tries to expel such toxins, pimples, rashes and other skin problems develop. With t
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