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john - 10 Jan 2010 16:56 GMT
http://beyondvaccination.com/showthread.php?1583-Jasmine-Renata
Open Letter to Dr Stewart Jessamine,
Medsafe.
Saturday, 9 January, 2009.

Dear Dr Jessamine,

I have been working with Rhonda Renata since October, regarding her daughter's
death following the Gardasil vaccination, and have permission to discuss her
death, and for all information I have to be made public. This letter has
been written with Rhonda, and all attachments are attached as requested by
Rhonda.
I also have Rhonda's permission to discuss other aspects of this case on my
website, now that Rhonda has gone public through the Herald today:
Reference:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10619244 9
January 2010.

CSL, which markets Gardasil in New Zealand, said it was unlikely the
investigations would find the vaccine caused Jasmine's death.
The Ministry of Health said it was important not to jump to conclusions
about Jasmine's death until more information was available.
"Information from immunisation programmes overseas has not raised any
concerns over the safety of this vaccine, in which over 44 million doses
have been distributed worldwide," said Dr Stewart Jessamine, group manager
of the ministry's medicines safety authority Medsafe.
Reference:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10614748
December 11, 2009.

CARM director Michael Tatley yesterday told the Herald an investigation was
under way, but details of the girl's death were "really scant stuff".
The matter was still before the coroner. The girl is believed to have died
in the past couple of months.

Her death had come within six months of receiving the Gardasil vaccination,
but it was not known if she had completed the course - generally three shots
administered six weeks apart.

Before I discuss specific issues which concern me, please find attached
Jasmine's medical recordsJas medical records.pdf; two documents which were
sent to Dr Michael Tatley's office by Rhonda Renata on the 21th November,
2009, (Report card Jasmine Renata HPV Reporting card.pdf , and supplementary
documents Jasmine Renata.pdf ) acknowledged by Janelle Ashton on 23.11.2009,
and assigned the CARM report number, 087237. Please also find attached the
provisional report after autopsy Provisional postmortem.pdf ; ESR letter
17th Novmber 2009 ESR 17 Nov 2009.pdf , and please note that this was all
that has been received by the parents.

· Can you read the provisional report?

· Do you think that this "information" is appropriate for parents?

· Shouldn't parents in Rhonda's position, receive an outline of what will be
done; how, and in what time frame?

Jasmine died on 22nd September 2009.

· Do you think it reasonable that Jasmine's parents still have no autopsy
results?

As you will see, all three batch numbers for Jasmine's Gardasil vaccines
were supplied on the report card. Furthermore, the supplementary document
provided, gave very detailed information from the medical records, and from
Jasmine's mother Rhonda.

· Why then, on December 11, 2009, did Michael Tatley inform the Herald that
he didn't know if she had completed the series, and that information was
really scant stuff?

· How can the public have any confidence in CARM when they deny the
existence of the very information they request that a parent send to them?

Here are what I consider to be key issues which the Ministry must address:

The fact that at least THREE teenage girls died in their sleep between 1
September and 30 November 2009. These are only the ones we know about. One
of those, Jasmine Renata, is confirmed as receiving the full Gardasil series
before she died.

· What about Jaylene Pai, and the other Jasmine, in Napier, who died shortly
before Jasmine Renata?

· What about any others, whose parents think that their child is the only
one who has died in her sleep?

There is also concern in this country and overseas, about seizures following
Gardasil. I note from letters to the editor, that prominent medical people
in New Zealand, who consider themselves expert in this area, have discounted
USA deaths of young girls who have died while driving, following the receipt
of Gardasil. On the face of it, a car crash looks highly improbable doesn't
it.

· However, do those people realise that FDA has initiated an investigation
of those car crashes on the basis that the girls driving, had developed
seizures after Gardasil, and in some cases, the first seizure, appeared to
coincide with them driving a car?

It's no more improbable, than the clusters of cases of broken limbs in
recipients of Menomune A in 1987, in children who had developed ataxia after
receipt of that vaccine. Losing your ability to walk proper after a vaccine,
could quite feasibly result in a broken arm. That "concept" should not be
dismissed, just because other children break their arms.

· Are you aware also, of data from VAERS and elsewhere, showing that girls
given Gardasil in the premenstrual phase, have more serious reactions, and
that their reactions get worse on a monthly basis, just before their
periods?

New Zealand has what you call the National Immunisation Register (NIR). At
the moment, this register is used as a vaccine enforcement tool, it's
"purpose" being to mop up and vaccinate by any means possible, as many
children as possible.

But in the NIR, you have a tool which could potentially be very useful as a
"flag".

Jasmine, Jasmine and Jai, should be on the NIR. In fact, all the children
who have received Gardasil, will be on the NIR, and conversely, most of the
children who HAVE NOT received Gardasil, should be on the NIR.

Comparison of these two groups could be instructive.

If you were able to run a computer analysis on the children who have had
Gardasil, how many would you find who had mysteriously died in their sleep?
You don't know, because you can't.

How many young girls might you find, who now have a diagnosis of CFS after
Gardasil? You don't know, because you can't.

How many young girls might you find who have recently been diagnosed with an
autoimmune disorder? You don't know, because you can't.

Why? Because NIR is used as an enforcement tool, not an efficient modality
of comparison, to see whether or not health events after vaccination are
only happening in one group.

I realise that the NIR's use is however, somewhat limited, because many
adolescents who have not had Gardasil, will have had DT and we know from
Tsumiyama Tsumiyama 09 repeat vax autoimmunity.pdf and Toplak Toplak 08
influenza vax autoimmune.pdf that any vaccine has the potential to cause
autoimmunity (and death). Siegrist Siegrist 07 ad event mistaken HPV.pdf
should also be taken seriously, but . how are you going to do that?

You could use NIR, if you had the "will" to do so.

BUT. in order to assess any vaccine reaction at whatever age, or
autoimmunity causation properly, you would need a totally unvaccinated
cohort.

Right now, this country has a significant "totally unvaccinated-by-choice "
population, which could form an ideal control group to show you what is
normal in children who never have vaccines. However these parents and
children mostly stay out of sight, and well away from the medical
profession. Many, if not most of them, will not be on the NIR, because the
actions of nurses turning up and browbeating the few that are on the NIR.
The stories of intimidation, have spread right throughout the
non-vaccinating grapevine.

Their reluctance to deal with the NIR is reinforced by hospital staff/
medical professionals and particularly IMAC's extremely rude and punitive
approach to non-vaccinating parents in the last few years.

I suggest that it's time you initiate a reform of medical attitudes in this
country, and convince parents who don't vaccinate their children at all,
that their children can be studied as a legitimate control group, if they
are not pressured to vaccinate, or character assassinated for not doing so.

However, what to me is the most important aspect of Gardasil, is the
aluminium adjuvant. See Shaw Shaw 09 aluminium.pdf attached. Dr Shaw sent me
his 2006 paper , but it's in two parts and is a total of 10 mb. What makes
this aluminium adjuvant even more serious, in my mind, is that while it's
clear that injected aluminium has direct access to neuronal tissue, Gardasil
also contains Polysorbate 80, which is used as a coating for certain types
of brain drugs, because polysorbate easily pulls those drugs through the
blood brain barrier Kreuter 02 polysorbate bbb drugs.pdf .

· Question. Does Polysorbate 80 increase the amount of aluminium in a
Gardasil recipient's brain?

In Jasmine's case, you will see that some evolving symptoms in her last
three months, are compatible with motor-neuron impairment in the brain. More
worryingly, her ability to make decisions, and "work things out" markedly
deteriorated in the last three months of her life.

Dr Shaw suggested that at autopsy, destruction of motor neurons should be
looked for in brain samples, and the Morin stain for Aluminium should be
used to ascertain it's presence in the brain.

On enquiry, it was found that New Zealand's autopsy protocols would not
accommodate either.

Which raises another question.

· How can we have any confidence in a coroner's finding, when the autopsy
doesn't contain tests (which a doctor knowledgeable about the action of
aluminium vaccine adjuvants in animals), considers crucial, in order to
solve Jasmine's case?

Jasmine's mother, Rhonda, is right to state that the medical profession in
this country will be unlikely to come up with any explanations. Not just
because the autopsy process is basic in the extreme, but because should
those tests come back positive for aluminium, given the medical profession's
track record on vaccine reactions so far, it's presence in the brain would
be guaranteed to be blamed on everything else . except the vaccine.

I have been contacted by many people who have had serious reactions after
Gardasil.

The following are common to all their stories:

· Doctors are totally dismissive that there is any possible connection with
any reaction to Gardasil.

· Doctors refused to report the reaction.

· Doctors have nothing to offer with regard to treatment.

All of these people are now undertaking alternative medicine protocols,
because there is nothing else available to them.

Some are having some success, and others are having none.

What you have right now, in New Zealand, is a similar situation as exists in
UK, European Union, Canada, USA and Australia. There are significant numbers
of girls, all showing very similar patterns relating to events following
Gardasil, and in nearly every case, any relationship with the Gardasil
vaccine is refuted right from the moment the child, or parent opens their
mouths. As a result of the medical professions consistently refusal to
investigate these cases individually, and appropriately, many organisations
are being set up, and websites opened to collect the data which the medical
profession will not.

You may ask:

· Why have I stayed silent about Jasmine so far?

The first reason what that it was agreed that Rhonda would be the first to
go public in her own time. The second reason was that we wanted to see
whether or not the New Zealand medical and governmental system could
competently deal with one very well laid out complaint to CARM, without
media involvement. This is a case about which John Key, Tony Ryall, Tariana
Turia, and many others have known about, from the start.

The evidence of the last few months shows that the ability of the medical
profession to effectively address vaccine reactions with integrity and
honesty, is zero. In frustration, Rhonda on her own initiative, has decided
to go public, and I will now be suggesting to everyone else, that if they
have the energy and emotional ability to cope with the crap that will be
thrown their way by the medical profession for doing so, that their first
port of call should be the media, not the medical profession.

Sincerely,

Hilary Butler.
Peter Moran - 10 Jan 2010 20:23 GMT
> http://beyondvaccination.com/showthread.php?1583-Jasmine-Renata
> Open Letter to Dr Stewart Jessamine,
[quoted text clipped - 253 lines]
>
> Hilary Butler.

"Her death had come within six months of receiving the Gardasil vaccination,
"
---and ---
---"details of the girl's death were "really scant stuff"."

Yet it is a "NZ Gardasil death", John?

PM
john - 10 Jan 2010 21:42 GMT
"Peter Moran" <pmoran@internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:00d3bc44$0$15586

> Yet it is a "NZ Gardasil death", John?
>
> PM

law of averages http://www.whale.to/vaccine/gardasil_deaths.html
Martin - 10 Jan 2010 20:36 GMT
>http://beyondvaccination.com/showthread.php?1583-Jasmine-Renata
>Open Letter to Dr Stewart Jessamine,
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>but it was not known if she had completed the course - generally three shots
>administered six weeks apart.

My grandfather died over 80 years after receiving his childhood
vaccines. Must be due to the vaccine. Damn those allopathic bastards!
john - 12 Jan 2010 11:50 GMT
> My grandfather died over 80 years after receiving his childhood
> vaccines. Must be due to the vaccine. Damn those allopathic bastards!

Pity it didn't kill him  afore you were spawned
Martin - 12 Jan 2010 19:17 GMT
>> My grandfather died over 80 years after receiving his childhood
>> vaccines. Must be due to the vaccine. Damn those allopathic bastards!
>
>Pity it didn't kill him  afore you were spawned

Ah yes, showing your true character. As if I didn't know.
Mark Probert - 10 Jan 2010 23:09 GMT
> Hilary Butler.

Damn, John, you could have saved a lot of scrolling if you had pointed
out that this known anti-vac liar was the person behind this bullshit.
Jan Drew - 11 Jan 2010 03:14 GMT
> > Hilary Butler.

No, he did not write just those two words.

To use you own words.  You snip what you cannot stand.

What John actually wrote:

http://beyondvaccination.com/showthread.php?1583-Jasmine-Renata
Open Letter to Dr Stewart Jessamine,
Medsafe.
Saturday, 9 January, 2009.

Dear Dr Jessamine,

I have been working with Rhonda Renata since October, regarding her
daughter's
death following the Gardasil vaccination, and have permission to
discuss her
death, and for all information I have to be made public. This letter
has
been written with Rhonda, and all attachments are attached as
requested by
Rhonda.
I also have Rhonda's permission to discuss other aspects of this case
on my
website, now that Rhonda has gone public through the Herald today:
Reference:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10619244
9
January 2010.

CSL, which markets Gardasil in New Zealand, said it was unlikely the
investigations would find the vaccine caused Jasmine's death.
The Ministry of Health said it was important not to jump to
conclusions
about Jasmine's death until more information was available.
"Information from immunisation programmes overseas has not raised any
concerns over the safety of this vaccine, in which over 44 million
doses
have been distributed worldwide," said Dr Stewart Jessamine, group
manager
of the ministry's medicines safety authority Medsafe.
Reference:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10614748
December 11, 2009.

CARM director Michael Tatley yesterday told the Herald an
investigation was
under way, but details of the girl's death were "really scant stuff".
The matter was still before the coroner. The girl is believed to have
died
in the past couple of months.

Her death had come within six months of receiving the Gardasil
vaccination,
but it was not known if she had completed the course - generally three
shots
administered six weeks apart.

Before I discuss specific issues which concern me, please find
attached
Jasmine's medical recordsJas medical records.pdf; two documents which
were
sent to Dr Michael Tatley's office by Rhonda Renata on the 21th
November,
2009, (Report card Jasmine Renata HPV Reporting card.pdf , and
supplementary
documents Jasmine Renata.pdf ) acknowledged by Janelle Ashton on
23.11.2009,
and assigned the CARM report number, 087237. Please also find attached
the
provisional report after autopsy Provisional postmortem.pdf ; ESR
letter
17th Novmber 2009 ESR 17 Nov 2009.pdf , and please note that this was
all
that has been received by the parents.

� Can you read the provisional report?

� Do you think that this "information" is appropriate for parents?

� Shouldn't parents in Rhonda's position, receive an outline of what
will be
done; how, and in what time frame?

Jasmine died on 22nd September 2009.

� Do you think it reasonable that Jasmine's parents still have no
autopsy
results?

As you will see, all three batch numbers for Jasmine's Gardasil
vaccines
were supplied on the report card. Furthermore, the supplementary
document
provided, gave very detailed information from the medical records, and
from
Jasmine's mother Rhonda.

� Why then, on December 11, 2009, did Michael Tatley inform the Herald
that
he didn't know if she had completed the series, and that information
was
really scant stuff?

� How can the public have any confidence in CARM when they deny the
existence of the very information they request that a parent send to
them?

Here are what I consider to be key issues which the Ministry must
address:

The fact that at least THREE teenage girls died in their sleep between
1
September and 30 November 2009. These are only the ones we know about.
One
of those, Jasmine Renata, is confirmed as receiving the full Gardasil
series
before she died.

� What about Jaylene Pai, and the other Jasmine, in Napier, who died
shortly
before Jasmine Renata?

� What about any others, whose parents think that their child is the
only
one who has died in her sleep?

There is also concern in this country and overseas, about seizures
following
Gardasil. I note from letters to the editor, that prominent medical
people
in New Zealand, who consider themselves expert in this area, have
discounted
USA deaths of young girls who have died while driving, following the
receipt
of Gardasil. On the face of it, a car crash looks highly improbable
doesn't
it.

� However, do those people realise that FDA has initiated an
investigation
of those car crashes on the basis that the girls driving, had
developed
seizures after Gardasil, and in some cases, the first seizure,
appeared to
coincide with them driving a car?

It's no more improbable, than the clusters of cases of broken limbs
in
recipients of Menomune A in 1987, in children who had developed ataxia
after
receipt of that vaccine. Losing your ability to walk proper after a
vaccine,
could quite feasibly result in a broken arm. That "concept" should not
be
dismissed, just because other children break their arms.

� Are you aware also, of data from VAERS and elsewhere, showing that
girls
given Gardasil in the premenstrual phase, have more serious reactions,
and
that their reactions get worse on a monthly basis, just before their
periods?

New Zealand has what you call the National Immunisation Register
(NIR). At
the moment, this register is used as a vaccine enforcement tool, it's
"purpose" being to mop up and vaccinate by any means possible, as
many
children as possible.

But in the NIR, you have a tool which could potentially be very useful
as a
"flag".

Jasmine, Jasmine and Jai, should be on the NIR. In fact, all the
children
who have received Gardasil, will be on the NIR, and conversely, most
of the
children who HAVE NOT received Gardasil, should be on the NIR.

Comparison of these two groups could be instructive.

If you were able to run a computer analysis on the children who have
had
Gardasil, how many would you find who had mysteriously died in their
sleep?
You don't know, because you can't.

How many young girls might you find, who now have a diagnosis of CFS
after
Gardasil? You don't know, because you can't.

How many young girls might you find who have recently been diagnosed
with an
autoimmune disorder? You don't know, because you can't.

Why? Because NIR is used as an enforcement tool, not an efficient
modality
of comparison, to see whether or not health events after vaccination
are
only happening in one group.

I realise that the NIR's use is however, somewhat limited, because
many
adolescents who have not had Gardasil, will have had DT and we know
from
Tsumiyama Tsumiyama 09 repeat vax autoimmunity.pdf and Toplak Toplak
08
influenza vax autoimmune.pdf that any vaccine has the potential to
cause
autoimmunity (and death). Siegrist Siegrist 07 ad event mistaken
HPV.pdf
should also be taken seriously, but . how are you going to do that?

You could use NIR, if you had the "will" to do so.

BUT. in order to assess any vaccine reaction at whatever age, or
autoimmunity causation properly, you would need a totally
unvaccinated
cohort.

Right now, this country has a significant "totally unvaccinated-by-
choice "
population, which could form an ideal control group to show you what
is
normal in children who never have vaccines. However these parents and
children mostly stay out of sight, and well away from the medical
profession. Many, if not most of them, will not be on the NIR, because
the
actions of nurses turning up and browbeating the few that are on the
NIR.
The stories of intimidation, have spread right throughout the
non-vaccinating grapevine.

Their reluctance to deal with the NIR is reinforced by hospital
staff/
medical professionals and particularly IMAC's extremely rude and
punitive
approach to non-vaccinating parents in the last few years.

I suggest that it's time you initiate a reform of medical attitudes in
this
country, and convince parents who don't vaccinate their children at
all,
that their children can be studied as a legitimate control group, if
they
are not pressured to vaccinate, or character assassinated for not
doing so.

However, what to me is the most important aspect of Gardasil, is the
aluminium adjuvant. See Shaw Shaw 09 aluminium.pdf attached. Dr Shaw
sent me
his 2006 paper , but it's in two parts and is a total of 10 mb. What
makes
this aluminium adjuvant even more serious, in my mind, is that while
it's
clear that injected aluminium has direct access to neuronal tissue,
Gardasil
also contains Polysorbate 80, which is used as a coating for certain
types
of brain drugs, because polysorbate easily pulls those drugs through
the
blood brain barrier Kreuter 02 polysorbate bbb drugs.pdf .

� Question. Does Polysorbate 80 increase the amount of aluminium in a
Gardasil recipient's brain?

In Jasmine's case, you will see that some evolving symptoms in her
last
three months, are compatible with motor-neuron impairment in the
brain. More
worryingly, her ability to make decisions, and "work things out"
markedly
deteriorated in the last three months of her life.

Dr Shaw suggested that at autopsy, destruction of motor neurons should
be
looked for in brain samples, and the Morin stain for Aluminium should
be
used to ascertain it's presence in the brain.

On enquiry, it was found that New Zealand's autopsy protocols would
not
accommodate either.

Which raises another question.

� How can we have any confidence in a coroner's finding, when the
autopsy
doesn't contain tests (which a doctor knowledgeable about the action
of
aluminium vaccine adjuvants in animals), considers crucial, in order
to
solve Jasmine's case?

Jasmine's mother, Rhonda, is right to state that the medical
profession in
this country will be unlikely to come up with any explanations. Not
just
because the autopsy process is basic in the extreme, but because
should
those tests come back positive for aluminium, given the medical
profession's
track record on vaccine reactions so far, it's presence in the brain
would
be guaranteed to be blamed on everything else . except the vaccine.

I have been contacted by many people who have had serious reactions
after
Gardasil.

The following are common to all their stories:

� Doctors are totally dismissive that there is any possible connection
with
any reaction to Gardasil.

� Doctors refused to report the reaction.

� Doctors have nothing to offer with regard to treatment.

All of these people are now undertaking alternative medicine
protocols,
because there is nothing else available to them.

Some are having some success, and others are having none.

What you have right now, in New Zealand, is a similar situation as
exists in
UK, European Union, Canada, USA and Australia. There are significant
numbers
of girls, all showing very similar patterns relating to events
following
Gardasil, and in nearly every case, any relationship with the
Gardasil
vaccine is refuted right from the moment the child, or parent opens
their
mouths. As a result of the medical professions consistently refusal
to
investigate these cases individually, and appropriately, many
organisations
are being set up, and websites opened to collect the data which the
medical
profession will not.

You may ask:

� Why have I stayed silent about Jasmine so far?

The first reason what that it was agreed that Rhonda would be the
first to
go public in her own time. The second reason was that we wanted to
see
whether or not the New Zealand medical and governmental system could
competently deal with one very well laid out complaint to CARM,
without
media involvement. This is a case about which John Key, Tony Ryall,
Tariana
Turia, and many others have known about, from the start.

The evidence of the last few months shows that the ability of the
medical
profession to effectively address vaccine reactions with integrity
and
honesty, is zero. In frustration, Rhonda on her own initiative, has
decided
to go public, and I will now be suggesting to everyone else, that if
they
have the energy and emotional ability to cope with the crap that will
be
thrown their way by the medical profession for doing so, that their
first
port of call should be the media, not the medical profession.

Sincerely,

Hilary Butler.

> Damn, John, you could have saved a lot of scrolling if you had pointed
> out that this known anti-vac liar was the person behind this bullshit.

LOL.  In your so- called- opinion.
McDougall - 19 Jan 2010 04:39 GMT
>> Damn, John, you could have saved a lot of scrolling if you had pointed
>> out that this known anti-vac liar was the person behind this bullshit.

For anyone reading this is you can go to www.truthaboutgardasil.org and see
more anti-vac "liars."  These people were pro-vac which is why they
vaccinated their daughters in the first place.  

You "men" should really be ashamed of yourselves. You're talking about
something you have absolutely no personal knowledge of.  

There is no need to lie.  

>> > Hilary Butler.
>
[quoted text clipped - 381 lines]
>
>LOL.  In your so- called- opinion.
john - 11 Jan 2010 06:55 GMT
http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary's_Desk/post/Part_One_When_your_c
hild_has_a_vaccine_reaction/


http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary's_Desk/post/Part_Two_Reporting_t
he_Reaction/


http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary's_Desk/post/Part_Three_Carm_and_
Jasmine_Renata/


http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary's_Desk/post/Part_Four_Autopsy_an
d_Jasmine_Renata/


http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary's_Desk/post/Part_Five_Jasmine,_t
he_tip_of_the_iceberg/


http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary's_Desk/post/Part_Six_Some_more_o
f_the_iceberg/

john - 11 Jan 2010 21:36 GMT
http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary's_Desk/post/Part_Seven_Gardasil_
and_the_Harper/


http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary's_Desk_-embers_Only/post/Part_Ei
ght_Gardasil_and_Mark_Probert/

Peter Moran - 11 Jan 2010 22:09 GMT
> http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary's_Desk/post/Part_Seven_Gardasil_
and_the_Harper/

Diana Harper, unlike Hilary the antivax nutcase, believes that vaccines are
effective and sufficiently safe for their purpose.  Her only concern is
whether certain benefits have been exaggerated.

PM

> http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary's_Desk_-embers_Only/post/Part_Ei
ght_Gardasil_and_Mark_Probert/
Jan Drew - 11 Jan 2010 22:55 GMT
> >http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary's_Desk/post/Part_Seve...
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -
McDougall - 19 Jan 2010 04:26 GMT
>> http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary's_Desk/post/Part_Seven_Gardasil_
and_the_Harper/

>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>> http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary's_Desk_-embers_Only/post/Part_Ei
ght_Gardasil_and_Mark_Probert/

Peter - you sound like you get paid to make these posts attacking anyone who
points out that this vaccine is potentially dangerous if not deadly in some
cases.  She died after 6 months of receiving the vaccine but she was ill
progressively over those six months.  Now you could argue her case is "scant"
the reality is the numbeers of girls who are being injured are of great
concern.  I think if you're so keen on this vaccine you should get it- its
defintiely for you.  Your attacking sarcastic replies implies you are either
a shill who gets paid to troll these blogs and shut down discussion or just a
really ignorant goof.  There is medical science to back up the dangers claims.
maybe your time would be better spent brushing up on that.  That is of course
if you are genuine.
McDougall - 19 Jan 2010 07:41 GMT
>> Damn, John, you could have saved a lot of scrolling if you had pointed
>> out that this known anti-vac liar was the person behind this bullshit.

For anyone reading this is you can go to www.truthaboutgardasil.org and see
more anti-vac "liars."  These people were pro-vac which is why they
vaccinated their daughters in the first place.  The females that got
vaccinated who are reporting their hair falling out and more severe
neurological and immunological disorders were pro- vac.

You "men" should really be ashamed of yourselves. You're talking about
something you have absolutely no personal knowledge of.  

There is no need to lie.

Your venomous sarcasm is highly suspect.  Glad you can joke about something
that is quite serious and should be looked at by obviously more capable minds
than your own.

>>> http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary's_Desk/post/Part_Seven_Gardasil_
and_the_Harper/

>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>maybe your time would be better spent brushing up on that.  That is of course
>if you are genuine.
McDougall - 19 Jan 2010 07:42 GMT
>> Damn, John, you could have saved a lot of scrolling if you had pointed
>> out that this known anti-vac liar was the person behind this bullshit.

For anyone reading this is you can go to www.truthaboutgardasil.org and see
more anti-vac "liars."  These people were pro-vac which is why they
vaccinated their daughters in the first place.  The females that got
vaccinated who are reporting their hair falling out and more severe
neurological and immunological disorders were pro- vac.

You "men" should really be ashamed of yourselves. You're talking about
something you have absolutely no personal knowledge of.  

There is no need to lie.

Your venomous sarcasm is highly suspect.  Glad you can joke about something
that is quite serious and should be looked at by obviously more capable minds
than your own.

>>> http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary's_Desk/post/Part_Seven_Gardasil_
and_the_Harper/

>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>maybe your time would be better spent brushing up on that.  That is of course
>if you are genuine.
 
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