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Silence about Vaccine Deaths in Media is Due to the Confidential Contracts with Vaccine Manufacturers

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john - 07 Nov 2009 08:14 GMT
http://www.nationalexpositor.com/News/1897.html

Silence about Vaccine Deaths in Media is Due to the Confidential Contracts
with Vaccine Manufacturers

The Flu Case - I am a Swedish general practioner working in Belgium, and
quite involved in this issue, as together with three citizens and another GP
we advised the Belgian Government last Friday in court that this is a
disguised pharmaceutical trial on human subjects, with real risks involved.

I put in two comments on the story (see below), that are quite relevant in
the context that the Swedish Newspapers have seemingly stopped reporting the
intermediary results of this disguised pharmaceutical trial.

If you can read French, you will discover at
http://www.lepoint2.com/sons/pdf/vaccin-H1N1 medias.pdf that the maker of
PandemRix, that is used in Sweden, passed a secret contract, the same in
every European country, which specified a "Green List" of what the
government MAY communicate (hardly anything!) and the "Red List" of what may
absolutely NOT be made public, like intermediary results of the side effects
that appear in the studies of the controversial squalene (and thiomersal)
adjuvantated PandemRix until they have been sanitized by Glaxo Smith Kline
researchers, and published by GSK themselves.

These contracts also confirm what was announced in Sweden in October, that
these pandemic vaccines where actually ordered already back in 2006: there
was a standing order to foresee a vaccination for large parts of the
population IF the WHO would declare a PANDEMIC of degree 6. When the
"New-Type" A/H1N1 appeared, and it started spreading to other continents,
the WHO changed their definition of grade 6 pandemic by dropping the
criteria that it should be highly deadly. Thus, the government discovered
that it's signed standing orders were passed simply to combat a new
(designer!) strain of flu that may or may not become more or less lethal
than the common Influenza A or B flu.

This has allowed GSK to do a large scale tolerance experiment of their
specialy formulated AVIAN-flu vaccine "Pre-PandRix" paid for by the
governments, where doctors are recruited for a large scale
pharmaco-vigilance study, without being paid as researchers, and patients
receive government propaganda to sign up "to protect the weak in our
society", while de facto subjecting themselves to be guinea pigs in this
"H1N1-dry-run" study for the future benefit of registering GSK's AVIAN flu
vaccine "Pre-PandRix".

If you are to receive the "Pandremix" against the benign "new-type" H1N1-flu
this season, we recommend that you first learn about the possible side
effects, as GSK asked their own employees to sign an "informed consent form"
before receiving the vaccine: see for ex:
http://www.asanat.org/Declaration_of_Free_and_Informed_Consent.pdf

These contracts were labeled "secret defense":

These contracts were labeled "secret defense", and we learn a lot about "who
is the boss, Government, or Big Pharma?" by reading them! You can still
access them here: Keep them on your computer, they are historic!

http://www.lepoint2.com/sons/pdf/vaccin-H1N1 medias.pdf

What I found mind boggling, as a doctor, is to discover Glaxo Smith Kline's
"Green List" of what the government MAY communicate (hardly anything!) and
the "Red List" of what may absolutely NOT be made public, like intermediary
results of the side effects that appear in the studies of the controversial
squalene (and thiomersal) adjuvantated PandemRix until they have been
sanitized by GSK, and published by GSK themselves.

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA
Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or
http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm
Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email
courses - next classes start October 28 & 29
http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm  or
http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm
dr_jeff - 07 Nov 2009 12:14 GMT
Conspiracy theories are fun and easy to work with. Just say there is a
coverup! Just misrepresent the facts, make a few things up and when
someone points out the obvious truth, just say it's part of the coverup!

Fortunately, there is no conspiracy.
t - 07 Nov 2009 16:51 GMT
Please explain why folks should not consider you to be part of a
"conspiracy"
> Conspiracy theories are fun and easy to work with. Just say there is a
> coverup! Just misrepresent the facts, make a few things up and when
> someone points out the obvious truth, just say it's part of the coverup!
>
> Fortunately, there is no conspiracy.
dr_jeff - 08 Nov 2009 22:53 GMT
> Please explain why folks should not consider you to be part of a
> "conspiracy"

The truth.

>> Conspiracy theories are fun and easy to work with. Just say there is a
>> coverup! Just misrepresent the facts, make a few things up and when
>> someone points out the obvious truth, just say it's part of the coverup!
>>
>> Fortunately, there is no conspiracy.
pautrey2 - 09 Nov 2009 00:15 GMT
Killer (MD Impersonator),

You're one of the last things anybody
would expect to hear the truth from.

> > Please explain why folks should not consider you to be part of a
> > "conspiracy"
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -
Bob Officer - 09 Nov 2009 01:00 GMT
>Killer (MD Impersonator),

RP do you like the slander people?

1. you can not prove he is a killer.
2. all he has to show the court he has the degree and you're legal
toast. End of case and he could walk out with a judgement against
you.

>You're one of the last things anybody
>would expect to hear the truth from.

Like you are anything like a fountain of truth yourself.

>> > Please explain why folks should not consider you to be part of a
>> > "conspiracy"
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

Signature

Bob Officer
Posting the truth
http://www.skeptics.com.au

t - 09 Nov 2009 01:56 GMT
>>Killer (MD Impersonator),
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -

He should do so then. But even if he were a real "doctor", who cares?
"Doctors" have a long history of being exactly wrong when it comes to
health.
Jan Drew - 09 Nov 2009 01:06 GMT
> Killer (MD Impersonator),
>
> You're one of the last things anybody
> would expect to hear the truth from.
t - 09 Nov 2009 01:49 GMT
>> Please explain why folks should not consider you to be part of a
>> "conspiracy"
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>>
>>> Fortunately, there is no conspiracy.
You will need to be more convincing than that. Why should anyone believe
that what you say is the "truth"?
PeterB - Original - 09 Nov 2009 02:12 GMT
>  Please explain why folks should not consider you to be part of a
> "conspiracy"

At least in major English speaking countries, that would be a
determination based on Law.  Conspiracy is a collusion of action
between two or more parties in which one or more laws are broken.
Conspiracy is necessarily a result of collusion, but collusion can
occur without conspiracy.  Collusion between government and the
companies they purport to regulate is often unethical, but until the
laws are changed to criminalize those behaviors, they are not
conspiratorial.

> news:l4adnYCzXL0z-WjXnZ2dnUVZ_sVi4p2d@giganews.com...
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> > Fortunately, there is no conspiracy.
john - 07 Nov 2009 17:53 GMT
> Conspiracy theories are fun and easy to work with. Just say there is a
> coverup! Just misrepresent the facts, make a few things up and when
> someone points out the obvious truth, just say it's part of the coverup!
>
> Fortunately, there is no conspiracy.

Oh yeah? Take your pick http://www.whale.to/a/hoaxmed.html
Bob Officer - 07 Nov 2009 20:14 GMT
>> Conspiracy theories are fun and easy to work with. Just say there is a
>> coverup! Just misrepresent the facts, make a few things up and when
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Oh yeah? Take your pick http://www.whale.to/a/hoaxmed.html 

Scopie's Law.

John Looses, again.

Signature

Bob Officer
Posting the truth
http://www.skeptics.com.au

Jan Drew - 07 Nov 2009 23:58 GMT
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:53:10 -0000, in misc.health.alternative, "john"
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> >Oh yeah? Take your pickhttp://www.whale.to/a/hoaxmed.html
Mike - 07 Nov 2009 18:49 GMT
> Conspiracy theories are fun and easy to work with. Just say there is a
> coverup! Just misrepresent the facts, make a few things up and when
> someone points out the obvious truth, just say it's part of the coverup!
>
> Fortunately, there is no conspiracy.

In Poland, 6 people died of the vaccine, it can be found in Polish press.

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1342,title,6-osob-zmarlo-po-podaniu-szczepionki-na-n
owa-grype,wid,11661855,wiadomosc.html


Google translation:

Deputy Minister Adam Fronczak health, however, drew attention to the
dangers arising from these vaccines. - So far in the country who bought
a lot of influenza A/H1N1 vaccine, when administered to patients six
people died. 2 immediately after admission, 4 - as the suspects - a few
hours after vaccination. Adverse effects were also observed at the 190
nurses who had previously vaccinated against a new flu - he added.
Mark Probert - 08 Nov 2009 01:53 GMT
> > Conspiracy theories are fun and easy to work with. Just say there is a
> > coverup! Just misrepresent the facts, make a few things up and when
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> In Poland, 6 people died of the vaccine, it can be found in Polish press.

Well, duh, then it is not being covered up.

Thanks for proving that there is no conspiracy.

> http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1342,title,6-osob-zmarlo-po-podaniu-szcze...
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> hours after vaccination. Adverse effects were also observed at the 190
> nurses who had previously vaccinated against a new flu - he added.
Jan Drew - 09 Nov 2009 00:57 GMT
In Poland, 6 people died of the vaccine, it can be found in Polish
press.

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1342,title,6-osob-zmarlo-po-podaniu-szcze...

Google translation:

Deputy Minister Adam Fronczak health, however, drew attention to the
dangers arising from these vaccines. - So far in the country who
bought
a lot of influenza A/H1N1 vaccine, when administered to patients six
people died. 2 immediately after admission, 4 - as the suspects - a
few
hours after vaccination. Adverse effects were also observed at the
190
nurses who had previously vaccinated against a new flu - he added.
Bob Officer - 09 Nov 2009 01:01 GMT
>In Poland, 6 people died of the vaccine, it can be found in Polish
>press.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>190
>nurses who had previously vaccinated against a new flu - he added.

Correlation is not causation.

Signature

Bob Officer
Posting the truth
http://www.skeptics.com.au

t - 09 Nov 2009 01:57 GMT
>>In Poland, 6 people died of the vaccine, it can be found in Polish
>>press.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Correlation is not causation.

But it CAN Be. Why are you such a boob?
Jan Drew - 07 Nov 2009 23:55 GMT
> Conspiracy theories are fun and easy to work with. Just say there is a
> coverup! Just misrepresent the facts, make a few things up and when
> someone points out the obvious truth, just say it's part of the coverup!
>
> Fortunately, there is no conspiracy

John wrote::

http:://www.nationalexpositor.com/News/1897.html

Silence about Vaccine Deaths in Media is Due to the Confidential
Contracts
with Vaccine Manufacturers

The Flu Case - I am a Swedish general practioner working in Belgium,
and
quite involved in this issue, as together with three citizens and
another GP
we advised the Belgian Government last Friday in court that this is a
disguised pharmaceutical trial on human subjects, with real risks
involved.

I put in two comments on the story (see below), that are quite
relevant in
the context that the Swedish Newspapers have seemingly stopped
reporting the
intermediary results of this disguised pharmaceutical trial.

If you can read French, you will discover at
http://www.lepoint2.com/sons/pdf/vaccin-H1N1 medias.pdf that the maker
of
PandemRix, that is used in Sweden, passed a secret contract, the same
in
every European country, which specified a "Green List" of what the
government MAY communicate (hardly anything!) and the "Red List" of
what may
absolutely NOT be made public, like intermediary results of the side
effects
that appear in the studies of the controversial squalene (and
thiomersal)
adjuvantated PandemRix until they have been sanitized by Glaxo Smith
Kline
researchers, and published by GSK themselves.

These contracts also confirm what was announced in Sweden in October,
that
these pandemic vaccines where actually ordered already back in 2006:
there
was a standing order to foresee a vaccination for large parts of the
population IF the WHO would declare a PANDEMIC of degree 6. When the
"New-Type" A/H1N1 appeared, and it started spreading to other
continents,
the WHO changed their definition of grade 6 pandemic by dropping the
criteria that it should be highly deadly. Thus, the government
discovered
that it's signed standing orders were passed simply to combat a new
(designer!) strain of flu that may or may not become more or less
lethal
than the common Influenza A or B flu.

This has allowed GSK to do a large scale tolerance experiment of
their
specialy formulated AVIAN-flu vaccine "Pre-PandRix" paid for by the
governments, where doctors are recruited for a large scale
pharmaco-vigilance study, without being paid as researchers, and
patients
receive government propaganda to sign up "to protect the weak in our
society", while de facto subjecting themselves to be guinea pigs in
this
"H1N1-dry-run" study for the future benefit of registering GSK's AVIAN
flu
vaccine "Pre-PandRix".

If you are to receive the "Pandremix" against the benign "new-type"
H1N1-flu
this season, we recommend that you first learn about the possible
side
effects, as GSK asked their own employees to sign an "informed consent
form"
before receiving the vaccine: see for ex:
http://www.asanat.org/Declaration_of_Free_and_Informed_Consent.pdf

These contracts were labeled "secret defense":

These contracts were labeled "secret defense", and we learn a lot
about "who
is the boss, Government, or Big Pharma?" by reading them! You can
still
access them here: Keep them on your computer, they are historic!

http://www.lepoint2.com/sons/pdf/vaccin-H1N1 medias.pdf

What I found mind boggling, as a doctor, is to discover Glaxo Smith
Kline's
"Green List" of what the government MAY communicate (hardly anything!)
and
the "Red List" of what may absolutely NOT be made public, like
intermediary
results of the side effects that appear in the studies of the
controversial
squalene (and thiomersal) adjuvantated PandemRix until they have been
sanitized by GSK, and published by GSK themselves.

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA
Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or
http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm
Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email
courses - next classes start October 28 & 29
http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm  or
http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm
Mark Probert - 08 Nov 2009 01:54 GMT
> > Conspiracy theories are fun and easy to work with. Just say there is a
> > coverup! Just misrepresent the facts, make a few things up and when
> > someone points out the obvious truth, just say it's part of the coverup!
>
> > Fortunately, there is no conspiracy
> John wrote::

But Mike proved there is no conspiracy.
Jan Drew - 09 Nov 2009 00:59 GMT
> > > Conspiracy theories are fun and easy to work with. Just say there is a
> > > coverup! Just misrepresent the facts, make a few things up and when
> > > someone points out the obvious truth, just say it's part of the coverup!
>
> > > Fortunately, there is no conspiracy
> > John wrote::

> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:53:10 -0000, in misc.health.alternative, "john"

> <nos...@bt.com> wrote:

> >> Conspiracy theories are fun and easy to work with. Just say there is a
> >> coverup! Just misrepresent the facts, make a few things up and when
> >> someone points out the obvious truth, just say it's part of the coverup!

> >> Fortunately, there is no conspiracy.

> >Oh yeah? Take your pick

http://www.whale.to/a/hoaxmed.html
Mark Probert - 09 Nov 2009 01:44 GMT
> > > > Conspiracy theories are fun and easy to work with. Just say there is a
> > > > coverup! Just misrepresent the facts, make a few things up and when
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Nothing I wrote is there. Including an attribute to me is a lie.
Bob Officer - 08 Nov 2009 06:11 GMT
>> Conspiracy theories are fun and easy to work with. Just say there is a
>> coverup! Just misrepresent the facts, make a few things up and when
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Contracts
>with Vaccine Manufacturers

<Snip>

>If you can read French, you will discover at
>http://www.lepoint2.com/sons/pdf/vaccin-H1N1 medias.pdf that the maker
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>Kline
>researchers, and published by GSK themselves.

Well it isn't secret is it, if the information about the contract was
published?

Logic was never your strongest subject, was it?

Signature

Bob Officer
Posting the truth
http://www.skeptics.com.au

Jan Drew - 09 Nov 2009 01:04 GMT
<snip>

John wrote:

http://www.nationalexpositor.com/News/1897.html

Silence about Vaccine Deaths in Media is Due to the Confidential
Contracts
with Vaccine Manufacturers

The Flu Case - I am a Swedish general practioner working in Belgium,
and
quite involved in this issue, as together with three citizens and
another GP
we advised the Belgian Government last Friday in court that this is a
disguised pharmaceutical trial on human subjects, with real risks
involved.

I put in two comments on the story (see below), that are quite
relevant in
the context that the Swedish Newspapers have seemingly stopped
reporting the
intermediary results of this disguised pharmaceutical trial.

If you can read French, you will discover at
http://www.lepoint2.com/sons/pdf/vaccin-H1N1 medias.pdf that the maker
of
PandemRix, that is used in Sweden, passed a secret contract, the same
in
every European country, which specified a "Green List" of what the
government MAY communicate (hardly anything!) and the "Red List" of
what may
absolutely NOT be made public, like intermediary results of the side
effects
that appear in the studies of the controversial squalene (and
thiomersal)
adjuvantated PandemRix until they have been sanitized by Glaxo Smith
Kline
researchers, and published by GSK themselves.

These contracts also confirm what was announced in Sweden in October,
that
these pandemic vaccines where actually ordered already back in 2006:
there
was a standing order to foresee a vaccination for large parts of the
population IF the WHO would declare a PANDEMIC of degree 6. When the
"New-Type" A/H1N1 appeared, and it started spreading to other
continents,
the WHO changed their definition of grade 6 pandemic by dropping the
criteria that it should be highly deadly. Thus, the government
discovered
that it's signed standing orders were passed simply to combat a new
(designer!) strain of flu that may or may not become more or less
lethal
than the common Influenza A or B flu.

This has allowed GSK to do a large scale tolerance experiment of
their
specialy formulated AVIAN-flu vaccine "Pre-PandRix" paid for by the
governments, where doctors are recruited for a large scale
pharmaco-vigilance study, without being paid as researchers, and
patients
receive government propaganda to sign up "to protect the weak in our
society", while de facto subjecting themselves to be guinea pigs in
this
"H1N1-dry-run" study for the future benefit of registering GSK's AVIAN
flu
vaccine "Pre-PandRix".

If you are to receive the "Pandremix" against the benign "new-type"
H1N1-flu
this season, we recommend that you first learn about the possible
side
effects, as GSK asked their own employees to sign an "informed consent
form"
before receiving the vaccine: see for ex:
http://www.asanat.org/Declaration_of_Free_and_Informed_Consent.pdf

These contracts were labeled "secret defense":

These contracts were labeled "secret defense", and we learn a lot
about "who
is the boss, Government, or Big Pharma?" by reading them! You can
still
access them here: Keep them on your computer, they are historic!

http://www.lepoint2.com/sons/pdf/vaccin-H1N1 medias.pdf

What I found mind boggling, as a doctor, is to discover Glaxo Smith
Kline's
"Green List" of what the government MAY communicate (hardly anything!)
and
the "Red List" of what may absolutely NOT be made public, like
intermediary
results of the side effects that appear in the studies of the
controversial
squalene (and thiomersal) adjuvantated PandemRix until they have been
sanitized by GSK, and published by GSK themselves.

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA
Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or
http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm
Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email
courses - next classes start October 28 & 29
http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm  or
http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm
Mark Probert - 09 Nov 2009 01:45 GMT
> <snip>
>
> John wrote:

Nonsense deleted.
Mark Probert - 08 Nov 2009 01:52 GMT
> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

BWhhhhahhAHAHAHHHHAHAHAAHAHHHHH

No, I did not mispel Hahnemannian.
Jan Drew - 09 Nov 2009 00:54 GMT
> > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
>
> BWhhhhahhAHAHAHHHHAHAHAAHAHHHHH

Excuse Markey he has these fits often.
Mark Probert - 09 Nov 2009 01:43 GMT
> > > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
>
> > BWhhhhahhAHAHAHHHHAHAHAAHAHHHHH
>
> Excuse Markey he has these fits often.

Every time is see Nakken's name.
 
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