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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / November 2009Millions of Health Freedom fighters - Newsletter
I have two new articles on the www.bolenreport.com website you will find interesting… The first - “Will Suzanne Somers New Book on Alternative Cancer Therapies Start the Cancer Revolt?...” says “Watch Larry King tonight. He's interviewing Suzanne Somers about her new book "Knockout," which talks about REAL treatments, ones that actually work, for cancer. 9:00PM EST The longest running war conducted by the United States is not the war in Iraq, nor the war in .Afghanistan. It is the "War on Cancer" started, with great fanfare, in 1972, thirty-seven years ago, by President Richard Nixon. It is a complete failure. The enemy, cancer, continues to gain ground. In truth, the only people who benefit from this war are those in the huge, for profit, cancer industry - certainly not cancer victims or their families. The accepted therapies, those claimed to be "proven," are, in actuality, worthless. The statistics generated, even though the industry massages them, clearly show that 97.9% people who go the chemotherapy therapy route are dead five years later. That's correct - chemotherapy only has a 2.1% success rate over five years. Put in a 2.5% "margin of error" and you've got a big fat zero. More, the government apparatus we've created to help with this war is no more than a huge "welfare for scientists" program with absolutely nothing to show for their thirty-seven years of existence except higher percentages of cancer deaths. The second – “Quackbusters Sue Each Other - All is Not Well in Scumville ... says “On November 3rd, of the year 2000, quackbusters Stephen Barrett, Terry Polevoy, and Christopher Grell sued me, Tim Bolen, along with a whole host of people, claiming that world famous author and health humanitarian Hulda Regehr Clark PhD had hired me, Tim Bolen, to defame them - and that several others had conspired with Clark and myself to accomplish that. After 8 and 1/2 years of no action to prove the case the judge threw it out, Dismissing it out of hand. You can read the entire article, the one that went around the world like wildfire, detailing Barrett, Polevoy, and Grell's huge humiliation, by clicking here.. The case wracked up huge legal bills for the Plaintiffs who also had to pay for the attorney fees for one of the Defendants, Ilena Rosenthal. And, those bills came to over $500,000 US. And, they are not yet paid. More, Ilena's attorneys are getting very aggressive about the collection. As well they should. Last month, in Ontario, Canada Ilena's attorneys won a judgment against Plaintiff Terry Polevoy for $311,000 US plus three years back interest - totaling over $350,000 US. They want payment, from Polevoy, right this minute. And Polevoy is screeching like a cornered rat... He is blaming Grell and Barrett for his problems. He could be right - or not. I'll let you read his lawsuit in a minute. Tim Bolen >author and health humanitarian Hulda Regehr Clark PhD had hired me, >Tim Bolen, Hulda Clark is a plain criminal. Hulda Clark and her accomplices are responsible and guilty for the misery and death of thousands of patients. .  Signature"Die Frau ist ein Mißgriff der Natur... mit ihrem Feuchtigkeits-Überschuß und ihrer Untertemperatur körperlich und geistig minderwertiger... eine Art verstümmelter, verfehlter, mißlungener Mann...die volle Verwirklichung der menschlichen Art ist nur der Mann." Thomas von Aquin, hl., Kirchenlehrer, 1225-1274 Heilsames über christliche Lebensart: http://www.reimbibel.de http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudologia_fantastica > >author and health humanitarian Hulda Regehr Clark PhD had hired me, > >Tim Bolen, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thomas von Aquin, hl., Kirchenlehrer, 1225-1274 > Heilsames über christliche Lebensart:http://www.reimbibel.de On Oct 19, 2:52�pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> Posted off topic as usual, and German gibberish. >On Oct 19, 2:52?pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> > >Posted off topic as usual, and German gibberish. Oh, well, this is plain English, but Jan Drew will not understand it anyway... ;O) FAQ about JAN DREW, the Net stalker and agent for the naturopathic mafia ======================================================================== Part V ====== 1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he? 2. The history of Jan Drew 3. Where is Jan Drew? 4. Bloomington, Indiana - what a town...? 5. Jan Drew in Bloomington, Indiana 6. The second marriage of Janet Mae Stidd 1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he? ======================================== Yesterday, on July 15th., 2009, Jan Drew used this email address: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> today, a Jan Drew shows up and makes the very same mess as the Jan Drew before. The question is: Is this new Jan Drew the very same as the old one? Have a look at this header of a posting by the old Jan Drew: <quote> Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> ******************************************* Newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,sci.med.dentistry References: <2Tv5m.13822$Dx2.10481@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com> <4a56c915$1@news.x-privat.org> <5887315b-4039-4968-96b4-690ef356cdf7@k20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> <1n5f55h7u4c42bi46dd3edip1jill4llqg@4ax.com> <c5f6d3c6-9b06-41d2-a108-fd1f1db1c3c7@m18g2000vbi.googlegroups.com> <4a57f60d@news.x-privat.org> <e0ee83b9-fd44-4b4e-aa43-144adc5c81d6@j12g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> <4a5949b8@news.x-privat.org> <c3fb2c8b-309c-476f-85e1-105728115430@f16g2000vbf.googlegroups.com> <%tR6m.13435$j84.75@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> <598f2214-9713-4260-b3e6-2970dcad8ef3@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <598f2214-9713-4260-b3e6-2970dcad8ef3@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Turning every which way Lines: 90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 Message-ID: <NCc7m.16203$j84.2428@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.89.125 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009 ************************************************************ 00:08:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:08:13 EDT Organization: at&t http://my.att.net/ X-UserInfo1: SCSYQNON_BWWSTT[_X_JJ\UDFZ\@@FXLM@TDOCQDJ@_@FNHBK^RAQFW[ML\THRCKV^GGZKJMGV^^_JSCFFUA_QXFGVSCYRPILH]TRVKC^LSN@DX_HCAFX__@J\DAJBVMY\ZWZCZLPA^MVH_P@\\EOMW\YSXHG__IJQY_@M[A[[AXQ_XDSTAR]\PG]NVAQUVM Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:08:06 -0400 misc.health.alternative:625434 misc.kids.health:185126 alt.support.breast-implant:159698 sci.med.dentistry:311488 [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote in message news:598f2214-9713-4260-b3e6-2970dcad8ef3@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com... > [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote in message </quote> The old Jan Drew posts from the IP X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009 The new Jan Drew with the email address Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com> posts from this IP: Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.239.93.194; See this piece of proof: <quote> From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com> ************************************* Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Subject: Re: TURNABOUT IS FAIR PLAY Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 77 Message-ID: <b2ae85b9-c00d-4ade-8e32-4baa930a2bff@r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> References: <1934e371-d192-4b1e-88be-e8db77045bb3@q35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.93.194 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1247775941 27518 127.0.0.1 (16 Jul 2009 20:25:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.239.93.194; ************************************************************************* posting-account=OFeWnQoAAABbB1i9TveLsH6hCiYooPyP User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1) Gecko/20090624 Firefox/3.5 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Oh, dear [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] is shouting again. You should be careful. Remember you will be 64 in November of this year. Regardless of all your antics to prove otherwise. The fact is you posted your birthday. On Jul 15, 11:27 pm, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote: > For years Jan has felt it is her right to report anyone she wishes to > their ISP or email provider. [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > I suggest you read your terms of service > At Gmail.com,Optimum.net, cv.net, and google.com You are not fooling me, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]. I happen to know you reported me several days ago. And, what does Torah say about turnabout is fair play? </quote> So we have: From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT) but about an hour later, with the same email address another IP shows up: From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT) See this piece of proof: <quote> From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com> ********************************************** Newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit,sci.med,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health Subject: Re: ADHD Drugs Proven Absolutely Useless for Children - Plus, They Stunt Growth Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT) ********************************************** Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 418 Message-ID: <356ea98d-dfc2-471b-84c5-57daa71288cf@r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> References: <97f92520-cdcc-4952-bc3f-a8b4e6b3c1e4@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <a6427afd-254c-44e3-9bd9-4d96bce8881a@o36g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> <a9086444-5e6e-4267-89be-6ee0f5cf2cb8@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.112.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1247780472 9697 127.0.0.1 (16 Jul 2009 21:41:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.12.112.11; *********************************************************************** posting-account=OFeWnQoAAABbB1i9TveLsH6hCiYooPyP User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; AOL 9.0; Windows NT 6.0; Trident/4.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: HTTP/1.1 (Velocity/3.1.1.5 [uScMs f p eN:t cCMp s ]), HTTP/1.0 spider-mtc-ta11.proxy.aol.com[400C700B] (Prism/1.2.1) On Jul 12, 7:01 pm, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote: > On Jul 12, 1:48 am, bosco62a <bosco...@yahoo.com> wrote: </quote> This is the IP: Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.12.112.11; So we see that Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com> also uses this IP from AOL: <quote> IP Information for 64.12.112.11 IP Location: United States Reston America Online Inc Resolve Host: spider-mtc-ta11.proxy.aol.com IP Address: 64.12.112.11 Blacklist Status: Clear Whois Record OrgName: America Online, Inc. OrgID: AMERIC-158 Address: 10600 Infantry Ridge Road City: Manassas StateProv: VA PostalCode: 20109 Country: US </quote> AOL is the very same provider which Jan Drew #1 used. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2. The history of Jan Drew ========================== This new Jan Drew is #3 as Jan Drew #1 was the one with the AOL account. #1. jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929) #2. "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> #3. Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com> I looked at the profiles of Jan Drew #1 and Jan Drew #2: http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=mjG-gxIAAAAcoQ2KLl1VxZeaTlHITt8e 8rhlH0Pnl47z4AZhN98BFg That is for Jan Drew's old account at AOL. jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929) <quote> Posting-Aktivität Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez. 1999 - - 191 99 54 223 289 260 203 359 297 192 2000 109 276 414 249 461 628 384 284 191 60 416 626 2001 534 152 572 297 677 430 715 621 281 278 392 599 2002 788 481 343 390 508 718 666 643 655 874 561 954 2003 621 866 932 646 629 746 539 593 595 500 521 569 2004 459 692 958 716 749 524 694 1045 784 1007 1151 977 2005 480 1143 206 - - - - 5 - - - 2 2006 3 7 10 157 6 13 21 3 21 43 5 24 2007 74 37 - 5 - 5 2 - 1 - - - 2008 9 - - - 21 - - - - - - - </quote> This is for "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=5J_FIxcAAADGQdj7vwDkkkzclBLHYN6w hUEdIBtH1-9oWMCTqaiMrA <quote> Posting-Aktivität Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez. - .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... 2006 - 157 2293 1921 1837 2092 2273 1865 1797 2453 1600 1042 2007 475 357 406 523 561 490 370 287 326 435 798 552 2008 942 1346 892 1006 579 1076 742 877 451 555 383 424 2009 909 691 585 345 861 835 423 </quote> As you can see: The old account at AOL still is used, but less often. Here you can see the activities of Jan Drew #3: http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=pps3lhMAAABsyTkDyyCDPfvL_gVgZJy1 WMj6vob75xS36mXc24h6ww ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3. Where is Jan Drew? ===================== In an old posting I found the word "Bloomington", which made me curious. So I tried to find more about it. This I now found with the word "bloomington": http://www.theangelconnection.net/school9.html <quote> 2433) Bill Drew, Bloomington, Indiana 2434) Jan Drew, Bloomington, Indiana </quote> I also found this: <quote> LookupAnyone.com - People Directory - Jan Drew Drew, Jan L, 63, Cheyenne, WY. Drew, Jana Brittain, 45, Wilmington, NC. Drew, Janelle L, 36, Sublette, IL. Drew, Janet B, 70, Bloomington, IN ... *************************************** www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/jan-drew.html LookupAnyone.com - People Directory - Jan Harper Harper, Jan L, 84, Loveland, CO. Harper, Jan Drew, 53, Fairview, NC ... Harper, Jan E, 54, Cincinnati, OH. Harper, Jan, Bloomington, IN ... www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/jan-harper.html </quote> Well, Bloomington turns out to be a town in Indiana. The WHOIS for the IP of Jan Drew #2 (which actually is Jan Drew #3) gives for (see above!) nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009 this result: <quote> IP Information for 70.239.89.125 IP Location: United States Bloomington AT&T Internet Services ************************************************************** Resolve Host: adsl-70-239-89-125.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net ********************************************************* IP Address: 70.239.89.125 Blacklist Status: Clear Whois Record OrgName: AT&T Internet Services OrgID: SIS-80 Address: 2701 N. Central Expwy # 2205.15 City: Richardson StateProv: TX PostalCode: 75080 Country: US NetRange: 70.224.0.0 - 70.239.255.255 CIDR: 70.224.0.0/12 NetName: SBCIS-SIS80 NetHandle: NET-70-224-0-0-1 Parent: NET-70-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: NS1.AMERITECH.NET NameServer: NS2.AMERITECH.NET Comment: RegDate: 2005-03-22 Updated: 2007-05-25 OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE6-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Abuse - Southwestern Bell Internet OrgAbusePhone: +1-800-648-1626 </quote> Bloomington, Indiana. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4. Bloomington, Indiana - what a town...? ========================================= Searching with Jan Drew Blomington one hit is this: <quote> Recently Visited Groups | Help | Sign in misc.health.alternative Message from discussion Debbee/Deborah Annie Adams either Put up or Shut up!--Jan Drew wins the SEA EWE EN TEA Award View parsed - Show only message text Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!out02a.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!in04.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!nlpi057.nbdc.sbc.com!prodigy.net!flpi088.ffdc.sbc.com!prodigy.com!flpi107.ffdc.sbc.com!nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!6c044f75!not-for-mail From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> ****************************************** Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-implant References: <5fb276c9-4492-466d-8f55-fbc7afb4a5fb@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <8lZ7k.14208$Ri.12268@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com> <2095c8bf-ab0d-4931-98bc-5d70c7ed9203@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <qJF8k.11426$uE5.9260@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com> <3eba8128-72f8-4d08-95a1-5d326dfa457d@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com> <4jY8k.29005$ZE5.25632@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> <ffa52845-c6e5-43e6-bb39-ad264c286823@r37g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <g439sm$cjk$1@aioe.org> <8f930eab-5c8f-4d7c-8457-23bae7ebd5ad@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <g43q87$bj6$1@aioe.org> <d055491b-85d5-42b1-997f-4248f15e388f@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <GeE9k.13323$mh5.8143@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com> <5a2f4537-a888-4df8-856e-be00515bafc9@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> <IOV9k.209$cn7.116@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com> <da69f703-8181-48ac-a5c1-5b9f9f674eef@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <VFUak.460$cn7.243@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com> <e6169a9d-670c-4443-8646-eab425aa66b0@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <e6169a9d-670c-4443-8646-eab425aa66b0@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Debbee/Deborah Annie Adams either Put up or Shut up!--Jan Drew wins the SEA EWE EN TEA Award Lines: 463 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Message-ID: <B2hbk.21272$co7.17353@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.91.212 ******************************** X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com 1215143201 ST000 70.239.91.212 (Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:46:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:46:41 EDT Organization: at&t http://my.att.net/ X-UserInfo1: SCSYQN_@OPT[B_\YYJ_BZ]EJUSXB@DTMNHWB_EYLJZ]BGIELNVUEAE[YETZPIWWI[FCIZA^NBFXZ_D[BFNTCNVPDTNTKHWXKB@X^B_OCJLPZ@ET_O[G\XSG@E\G[ZKVLBL^CJINM@I_KVIOR\T_M_AW_M[_BWU_HFA_]@A_A^SGFAUDE_DFTMQPFWVW[QPJN Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 23:46:08 -0400 You, Deborah Annie Adams first wrote: Jan: Since it would appear that you always have to be "right," it would appear that you can not admit that you invented some stories about me that are not truthful in nature. I sent you a "cease and desist" letter from this email address. I only came back to post (I still get all of the emails from the group) and make it very perfectly clear that you have no clue of what you are discussing about me, and those that do, are laughing at you. Would you rather be, "right," in your own mind, or look foolish amongst those that are "in the know." I'm no longer reading this newsgroup, and came back when yet again, you would appear to be a few sandwiches short of a full picnic, and I will not longer tolerate the garbage that is spewing from your toxic mouth. Leave my name out of your discussions. Lose my name from your vocabulary. Got it? I hope so. And by the way, Annie is a nickname that some people call me because it is part of my name. Just because I am no longer posting, does not mean I am no longer reading. "BeeStings" <dbeesti...@aol.com> wrote in message news:5fb276c9-4492-466d-8f55-fbc7afb4a5fb@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > Jan: Yes, Debbee? OrgName: Netscape Communications Corp. OrgID: NSCP Address: 501 E. Middlefield City: Mountain View StateProv: CA PostalCode: 94043 Country: US NetRange: 207.200.64.0 - 207.200.127.255 CIDR: 207.200.64.0/18 NetName: NETSCAPE-CIDR NetHandle: NET-207-200-64-0-1 Parent: NET-207-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: NS.NETSCAPE.COM NameServer: NS2.NETSCAPE.COM Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE RegDate: 1996-09-06 Updated: 2001-03-28 RTechHandle: AOL-NOC-ARIN RTechName: America Online, Inc. RTechPhone: +1-703-265-4670 RTechEmail: doma...@aol.net > Since it would appear that you always have to be "right," Oh, really? *would appear*, why don't you just speak up? > it would appear that you can not admit that you invented some stories about me that are not truthful in nature. I have nothing to admit, since I did NOT invent any stories about you, Debbee ***************************************************************************** Adams. ****** > I sent you a "cease and desist" letter from this email address. NO, you did not. In fact you sent me an email form SNIFFFTHIS, and used the name Annie, then signed it B. > I only came back to post (I still get all of the emails from the group) and make it very perfectly clear that you > have no clue of what you are discussing about me, and those that do, are laughing at you. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Got it? I hope so. > And by the way, Annie is a nickname that some people call me because it is part of my name. lol. I thought you said you were not Annie? > Just because I am no longer posting, does not mean I am no longer reading. lol. Poor Debbee: *I'm no longer reading this newsgroup*. Get help. Now, I will in fact post the email you sent me in another post. And...................... Don't even think about telling me what to do, post, or--otherwise, Debbee. Got that? Debbee A Adams do NOT email me again using different names, and a bit of history From Dbeesti...@aol.com Sat Jun 21 01:21:49 2008 X-Apparently-To: jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net via 209.191.85.222; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:21:56 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.137.9] Return-Path: <dbeesti...@aol.com> Authentication-Results: mta125.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com from=aol.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) Received: from 207.115.36.36 (EHLO nlpi007.prodigy.net) (207.115.36.36) by mta125.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:21:56 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.137.9] Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by nlpi007.prodigy.net (8.13.8 inb regex/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m5L8Ls8B013159 for <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:21:54 -0500 Received: from Dbeesti...@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id j.d64.27777f10 (30737) for <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:21:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dbeesti...@aol.com Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert Message-ID: <d64.27777f10.358e1...@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:21:49 EDT Subject: "Cease and Desist" To: jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d64.27777f10.358e141d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 206 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Length: 3714 June 21, 2008 This written to advise you to "cease and desist" from discussing me, and libeling me any further than you have. I'm tired of you posting about untruthful information about me, and Annie is one of my names. I have proof that my computer was hacked into, and hacked into people connected to Quackwatch. All you are doing is making a bigger fool out of yourself than you already have. Bob Kulacz, and Tim Bolen have copies of the emails I sent. The windows portion of my Mac Book was hacked into, and I'm no longer on Wireless. I am on dial-up. You have no idea of what you are talking about. You falsely accused me of (Bob Kulacz forwarded me the emails) of going to California to stalk Ilena, that I had joined the gang, and that you didn't trust me. This was entire fairy tale that you and Ilena made up, and I'm sorry that you feel that anyone that doesn't agree with you is a LIAR, but you have libelled me for the last time. It will not happen again. I am no longer posting there and there is no further need to discuss me. Ask your attorney to explain what "LIBEL" is. Calling someone a liar just because you don't happen to believe them, is libel. And there are two J. Drew's. It was even pointed out by another poster in the group. Thank you. Deborah Annie Adams -------------------------------------------- OOPs, note is is now J. Drew and not Jan Drew's Now, let's see what both Myrl Jeffcoat and Coleah Ayres has to say about Debbee http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/8239d7e6a3... Oct 27, 2007 Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant From: Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:52:42 -0000 Local: Sat, Oct 27 2007 10:52 am Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA You have contacted my employer which goes outside the bounds of civil behavior one Usenet. I consider you to be a stalker and abuser. Therefore, I will no longer respond to you except to post this message. YOU ARE HEREBY PLACED ON NOTICE NOT TO ATTEMPT TO CONTACT ME IN THE SLIGHTEST MANNER. YOU ARE NOT TO CONTACT ANYONE ABOUT ME. TO DO SO WILL JUSTIFY MY TAKING FURTHER ACTION, WHEN, WHERE AND WHAT AS I SEE FIT. On Oct 27, 12:16 am, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Oct 26, 4:37 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > For a list of the actual webpages created by Ilena Rosenthal, please visit: > >http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com/ilenawebpages.html > > For the Truth and the Facts surrounding Ilena Rosenthal and her foundation, please visit: > >http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com > I ran Ilena Rosenthal's name through a bunch of databases. I also called the DRE. Ilena Rosenthal has a license through the DRE, as do you, Myrl Jeffcoat. Have you done anything Myrl or Ilena that would violate the code ethics of the licenses you have?? I'm kind of curious to find out if something I read a while back has any truth attached to it. I have read where fans of celebrities have started websites using the celebrities names in the website address, and the celebrities have successfully been able to have those websites removed because the fan was using a name other than their own in the web address, and without permission. ------------------------------------ Follow that thread. You will see Debbee Adams--Snifffthis has nuked her posts. However, she evidently cannot nuke her profile. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/948ed26ada... Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant From: Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:56:27 -0700 Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 12:56 pm Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA DEBBEE SAID: "Apparently you have nothing better to do, some of us work for a living. Some of us have real lives." >From the mouth of (2nd from left) blonde: Debbee A Adams (54) San Carlos, CA and Milton, WA http://www.louielouie.net/pix-2007/loufest2007/ep-da-jeff-rfs.jpg I am very happily RETIRED from working. But, thank you for your 'unusual concern' about how I spend MY time. You wouldn't have been 'baiting' to learn who my 'employer' was, so you could complain about me, were you?????? Chortle, chortle, chortle. [Apparently DEBBEE has nothing better to do (while she's 'working' so hard for a living) than to search the internet looking for some kind of 'dirt' on people. The best she could do with me was find a reference to a store I previously owned.] Is that YOUR 'real life', DEBBEE? Certainly writing for little known rag called 60's Beat can't be all you do to pay the rent. >From a few previous poster's mentioning something about DEBBEE and a lawsuit....I got the impression DEBBEE had sued Mark Lindsey of Paul Revere and the Raiders. Alas it appears was the other way around. Funny how she denied any knowledge of it however. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/536569d0bf... Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant From: Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:06:53 -0000 Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 8:06 pm Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA On Oct 23, 2:33 pm, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Oct 23, 9:56 am, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote: > I know nothing of what you are speaking about. > I'm not the editor of any publication. > I do not live in Milton, WA or San Carlos, CA > There goes your credibility, Coleah right down the tube. > Deb Adams is not even my real name. So then Debbee - when you contacted corporate GMAC in the last couple of days, to complain about me, you are saying you lied about your name??? --------------------------------------- On Oct 23, 4:43 pm, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Oct 23, 3:50 pm, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote: > It is *not your business*, Miss Busy Body, of *who* I am, *what* I do for a living, and *where* I live. Nor is *your business* what I am even > doing here. This is the Usenet, and ANYONE can post here, for any reason. Got it? Good. Mind your own business, and I'll mind mine. Wow - Debbee is calling people "Miss Busy Body" - and stating it isn't our business to know *who" she is, *what" she does for a living, or *where* she lives. Yet, she sees fit to get into other people's business, calling their employers, etc. and giving fictious and defamatory information. What a piece of work you are Debbee! I can understand why you would wish to come out from under a rock to do your business, and then slither right back under again, once you've done your reptilian handiwork! You appear to be just another "free speech" hypocrite. "BeeStings" <dbeesti...@aol.com> wrote in message news:572e071b-2610-4d60-b4e5-9f45ceae2b93@r37g2000prm.googlegroups.com... > Jan Drew wrote: >> lol. Poor Debbee: >> *I'm no longer reading this newsgroup*. >> Get help. >> Now, I will in fact post the email you sent me in another post. And...................... >> Don't even think about telling me what to do, post, or--otherwise, Debbee. >> Got that? > It would appear that you need professional help in dealing with your abusive behavior. > Just because someone has abused you in the past, or present, does not give you the absolute > right to abuse others. Nor does it give you any special privileges to post lies about people you do not even know. > If you do not know where to turn for professional help; I suggest contacting your doctor and asking for referrals. > You are the one that needs help, not me. > I think it would be in your best interest to remove the post you just made. > Thank you. It DOES appear, not *would* that YOU Deborah Annie Adams need professional help. You have NEVER proven a single one of your false accusations. Nor--have you proven you KNOW there are two Jan Drew's posting on any of the same groups *I* Jan Drew post on. There has been no abusive behavior towards you for me. Your words: * Just because someone has abused you in the past, or present, does not give you the absolute right to abuse others.* And, just who would that be? Where did that come from? It DOES appear, you do not know what you are posting about So much for libel. Now, either put up or shut up! Create a group - Google Groups - Google Home - Terms of Service - Privacy Policy ©2009 Google </quote> Jan Drew in another case of Net stalking, as in unknown other cases before and later. What did Jan Drew write?: <quote> I have nothing to admit, since I did NOT invent any stories about you, Debbee ***************************************************************************** Adams. ****** </quote> That is fine because I did not invent any stories about Jan Drew. I only followed this figure and archived material... <quote> Follow that thread. You will see Debbee Adams--Snifffthis has nuked her posts. However, she evidently cannot nuke her profile. </quote> Jan Drew does not seem to know what a boomerang is... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5. Jan Drew in Bloomington, Indiana =================================== Jan Drew claims to have owned a children day care center. But one of the many things which Jan Drew refused to ever prove was this. Jan Drew even refused to prove that he/she is female. Well, looking for Jan Drew Bloomington reveiled many details. Like this one: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/janet-drew/9/302/551 <quote> Janet Drew Owner, rtired Bloomington, Indiana Area Research Current Owner at rtired Connections 0 connections Public Profile </quote> And this one: http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri =L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAwOC8wNi8yNS9uZXdzLnFwLTkxNDQwMjYuc3Rv&start=24 http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri=L3N0b3JpZXMvMj AwOC8wNi8yNS9uZXdzLnFwLTkxNDQwMjYuc3Rv&start=24 <quote> Janet Drew Thursday, June 26, 2008: 6:23 pm More from 'Janet Drew' God Bless Leon. He is no longer in pain. My daughter Jacque Nelson brought Hinkles from him. ************************* I got to know him. He hadn't felt well for some time. Larrry (his son) and wife Joan took him to their home in Florida. So happy he was with them when he passed away. He will never be forgotten by any here in Bloomington who knew and loved him. ***************************************************** Rest in peace, Leon. </quote> And this one: http://www.complaintsboard.com/bycity/united-states/indiana/bloomington/page/3 <quote> Complaints in Bloomington, Indiana ================================== Intelius Posted: 2008-05-28 by Janet [send email] Credit card not credited Complaint Rating: Talked with Carmen. All charges were to be credited. Conformation # 12056098. $4.95 of 5-14-08 has not been credited. Do so immediately. Janet Drew Reply to jdrew63929@aol.com... *************************** </quote> KABOOM!!!!!!!!!!! ***************** <quote> Janet Drew Reply to jdrew63929@aol.com... </quote> In may 2008 Jan Drew of Bloomington, Indiana, used the email address jdrew63929@aol.com That is exactly the very same as Jan Drew #1 used: http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=mjG-gxIAAAAcoQ2KLl1VxZeaTlHITt8e 8rhlH0Pnl47z4AZhN98BFg That is for Jan Drew's old account at AOL. jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 6. The second marriage of Janet Mae Stidd ========================================= Jan Drew posts as "Jan Drew", but is that really her name? How about Janet or Janice? Remember of of the search engine hits above? <quote> My daughter Jacque Nelson... </quote> Search engines love that... ;O) And they dig out precious little details ... like this: http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/Genealogy/DescendantsOfAndrewRichardson.htm <quote> 318 3 6732 Benjamin David Stidd (DOB: 05/18/1916) [DOD: 02/06/2001]{ M } Father: --- | 5461 Charles Thomas Stidd (DOB: 12/21/1881) [DOD: 00/00/1957] Mother: 311 | 5460 Lorene Sluss (DOB: 03/16/1885) [DOD: 00/00/1939] Spouse/SO: --- | 16325 Alma Mae Selzer (DOB: 10/22/1916) SO's father: --- | 16336 Clarence E. Selzer (DOB: abt. 00/00/1890) [DOD: 12/21/1979] SO's mother: --- | 16337 Erslie Woelflin Children 319 | 16326 Dr. Benton Maurice Stidd (DOB: 06/30/1936) 324 | 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939) ********************************************** 327 | 16335 Dr. Raymond Edward Stidd (DOB: 01/31/1938) Born: Monroe Cty., IN Documentation (birth): + Index to Monroe County, Indiana Birth Records 1882-1920 (re: Book H-8, p 297). Hays shows the year as 1914. Died: Ellettsville, Richland Twp., Monroe Cty., IN Buried: Valhalla Memory Gardens, Bloomington, Bloomington Twp., Monroe Cty., IN Obituary: Benjamin David Stidd, 84 May 18, 1916 - Feb. 6, 2001 ELLETTSVIlLE - Benjamin David Stidd, age 84, of Ellettsville, died Tuesday at his residence. He was born May 18, 1916, in Monroe County, the son of Charles and Lorena (Sluss) Stidd. He was a 1934 graduate of Bloomington High School, and was a retired contractor and well-known farmer residing in the Bean Blossom bottom area of Monroe County most of his life. He was active in the Stinesville Parent Teachers Association and was its president from 1954 to 1956. During World War II, he was involved in the construction of Camp Atterbury in Columbus, the Allison Plant in Indianapolis, as well as a similar facility in Evansville, and finally finished his service at the Crane Naval Station in construction of military facilities. He was a member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church and served in several capacities as deacon and elder. He was married to Alma Mae Selzer of Bloomington in 1934, and she remains. Other survivors include three children, Dr. Benton M. Stidd of Liberty Hollow Road, a retired professor from Western Illinois University, Dr. Raymond E. Stidd of Nashville, a retired Columbus podiatrist, and a daughter, Janet Drew of Bloomington, retired owner of Happy Day Care ************************************************************************** Center; ******* three sisters, Martha Collins and Velma Hall of Bloomington and Jenny Name of Ellettsville; 11 grandchildren and 17 great-grandchildren. He was preceded in death by three brothers, Farwell Stidd, Leon Stidd and Lester Stidd, and two sisters, Louise Richardson and Freda Bain. Funeral service will be 1 p.m. Friday at Day Mortuary Chapel. Burial will be at Valhalla Memory Gardens Mausoleum. Friends may call at Day Mortuary from 5-8 p.m. on Thursday. Friends who wish may make memorial contributions to the scholarship fund of the Stinesville Alumni Association. Addresses: Ellettsville, RichlandTwp., Monroe Cty., IN Military Service: During World War II, he was involved in the construction of Camp Atterbury in Columbus, the Allison Plant in Indianapolis, as well as a similar facility in Evansville, and finally finished his service at the Crane Naval Station in construction of military facilities. Employment/Professions: Farmer Education: Bloomington High School (Bloomington, Monroe Cty., IN) *High School* 1934 Religion: Seventh-day Adventists ******************************** Documents:Obituary Herald-Times (Bloomington, IN), 2/7/2001 Notes: From obituary. THD 22124 </quote> and this: http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/Genealogy/DescendantsOfAndrewRichardson.htm <quote> 324 4 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939) { F } *************************************************** Father: 318 | 6732 Benjamin David Stidd (DOB: 05/18/1916) [DOD: 02/06/2001] Mother: --- | 16325 Alma Mae Selzer (DOB: 10/22/1916) Spouse/SO: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936) ********************************************************** SO's father: --- | 16330 Don Nelson SO's mother: --- | 16331 Anna Bell Jones Spouse/SO: --- | 16332 James William Drew (DOB: 03/29/1935) *********************************************************** SO's father: --- | 16333 James F. Drew SO's mother: --- | 16334 Grace Small Children 325 | 16767 Jeffery Lynn Nelson (DOB: 11/17/1958) 326 | 16768 Jacque Ann Nelson (DOB: 10/22/1960) ************************************************ Addresses: Bloomington, Monroe Cty., IN As of: 02/07/2001 Notes: From the Stidd/Sluss Family record and her father's obituary. +From Tommy Hays' notes. THD 114382 </quote> All the pieces fit together. First, marriage with <quote> Spouse/SO: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936) </quote> which makes the children have the family name Nelson. The second marriage with <quote> Spouse/SO: --- | 16332 James William Drew (DOB: 03/29/1935) *********************************************************** </quote> makes Janet Mae Nelson, nee Stidd, Janet Drew of Bloomington, retired owner of Happy Day Care Center. The details of that: http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/p97.html <quote> James William "Bill" Drew ************************** M, #I4836, Born: [private] Father:: James Franklin Drew, Born: 19 January 1916 Mother:: Grace Lorraine Small, Born: 29 January 1917, Died: 19 January 1995 Birth: 28 March 1935 Washington, Daviess County, Indiana Family: Marriage: 1 : Peggy Ann Ramage Married: 24 March 1954, Born: [private] Mary Beth Drew, Born: 23 May 1954, Died: 24 May 1954 William Franklin Drew, Born: 21 August 1957, Died: 30 April 1958 + Cheryl Ann Drew, Born: [private] James David Drew, Born: [private] Susan Elaine "Susie" Drew, Born: [private] Marriage: 2 : Janet Mae Stidd Married: 25 November 1970, Born: [private] ******************************************************* Last Updated: 05 March 2008 </quote> http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/p97.html#I4846 <quote> Janet Mae Stidd *************** F, #I4846, Born: [private] Father:: ? Mother:: ? Birth: 16 March 1938 Family: Marriage: 1 : James William "Bill" Drew Married: 25 November 1970, Born: ****************************************************************** [private] Last Updated: 14 May 2001 </quote> One more detail: http://www.lookupanyone.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1&searchform=name <quote> Janet M Drew ************ View Details 70 Bloomington, IN (3) ************************************ Spencer, IN (1) Lutz, FL (1) James Drew J B Drew Jan Drew Bill J Drew </quote> "70" is her age, which matches with the other parts in the mosaic. You remember the memorial?: http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri=L3N0b3JpZXMvMj AwOC8wNi8yNS9uZXdzLnFwLTkxNDQwMjYuc3Rv&start=24 <quote> Janet Drew Thursday, June 26, 2008: 6:23 pm More from 'Janet Drew' God Bless Leon. He is no longer in pain. My daughter Jacque Nelson brought Hinkles from him. ************************* I got to know him. He hadn't felt well for some time. Larrry (his son) and wife Joan took him to their home in Florida. So happy he was with them when he passed away. He will never be forgotten by any here in Bloomington who knew and loved him. ***************************************************** Rest in peace, Leon. </quote> Well, there is the counterpart: http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/Genealogy/DescendantsOfAndrewRichardson.htm#16768 <quote> 326 5 16768 Jacque Ann Nelson (DOB: 10/22/1960) { F } *********************************************** Father: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936) ******************************************************* Mother: 324 | 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939) ***************************************************** </quote> Through all the years since the beginning of the logs of jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929) Jan Drew pestered the net: jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929) <quote> Posting-Aktivität Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez. 1999 - - 191 99 54 223 289 260 203 359 297 192 2000 109 276 414 249 461 628 384 284 191 60 416 626 2001 534 152 572 297 677 430 715 621 281 278 392 599 2002 788 481 343 390 508 718 666 643 655 874 561 954 2003 621 866 932 646 629 746 539 593 595 500 521 569 2004 459 692 958 716 749 524 694 1045 784 1007 1151 977 2005 480 1143 206 - - - - 5 - - - 2 2006 3 7 10 157 6 13 21 3 21 43 5 24 2007 74 37 - 5 - 5 2 - 1 - - - 2008 9 - - - 21 - - - - - - - </quote> This is for "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=5J_FIxcAAADGQdj7vwDkkkzclBLHYN6w hUEdIBtH1-9oWMCTqaiMrA <quote> Posting-Aktivität Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez. - .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... 2006 - 157 2293 1921 1837 2092 2273 1865 1797 2453 1600 1042 2007 475 357 406 523 561 490 370 287 326 435 798 552 2008 942 1346 892 1006 579 1076 742 877 451 555 383 424 2009 909 691 585 345 861 835 160 </quote> Jan Drew gives medical advice, which, if followed, can lead to the death of your children and of yourself. Jan Drew lies, Jan Drew forges, Jan Drew seeds hatred, Jan Drew makes MASSIVE advertising for the naturopathic mafia. And: Jan Drew abuses the name of god. TEN YEARS NOW. And Jan Drew, despite all kind or tough pleas NOT to stalk people, continious with here crimionakl behavior. I think that TEN YEARS really is enough time that has been given to her top stop. And now, there definitely is an end. Janet Mae Stidd, married to Mr. Drew on 25th, november, 1970, living in Bloomington, Indiana, do cease and desist your crimes! In the matter of Jan Drew abusing the name of god another detail shows up: the Seventh Day Adventist Church 301 E Matlock Rd Bloomington, IN (812) 332-5025 In its gone web-site the have some strong words concerning their being so very special: http://web.archive.org/web/20031223034424/bloomingtonsda.org/handbook.htm <quote> Home | Up | Feedback | Contents | Search ACA Handbook Excerpts Purpose Aims & Objectives Requirements for Admission PURPOSE In a state in which public schools offer excellent educational opportunities at public expense, a private school should have a special reason for its existence. Adventist Christian Academy , with the unique standards and *********************************************************** character of the Seventh-day Adventist Church , differs ******************************************************* sufficiently from the public school to justify its establishment. ***************************************************************** Christian principles, as practiced by Seventh-day Adventists, have first place in determining the policies of Adventist Christian Academy . The following quotation defines the Seventh-day Adventist concept of Christian education: “True education means more than the pursuit of a certain course of study. It means more than a preparation for the life that now is. It has to do with the whole being and with the whole period of existence possible to man. It is the harmonious development of the physical, the mental, and the spiritual powers. It prepares the student for the joy of service in this world, and for the higher joy of wider service in the world to come.” Education, p. 13. Seventh-day Adventists sincerely believe that Christ is coming literally to this earth to claim His own, but before He comes, the gospel is to be taken into all the world. “With such an army of workers as our youth, rightly trained, might furnish, how soon the message of a crucified, risen, and soon-coming Savior might be carried to the whole world.” Education, p. 271. Adventist Christian Academy begins the training of its youth in this high responsibility. Adventist Christian Academy offers grades K through 8 of formal education. Our school provides a state-approved curriculum and is supervised and accredited through the Education Department of the Indiana Conference of Seventh-Day Adventists. AIMS AND OBJECTIVES “And Jesus increased in wisdom¼” Skills and Knowledge -- To teach the value and necessity of the mental habits of application and concentration. To provide the acquisition of common skills and knowledge essential to scholastic progress. To engender a love of learning that will be carried throughout their life here in this world and into the world to come. “¼And Stature¼” Health and Recreation -- To promote the study and practice of the principles of health and temperance, in the belief that mental and spiritual vigor are in a great degree dependent upon physical health, strength and activity. To guide students in making good choices regarding recreation and leisure time. “¼And in favor with God¼” Relationship to God -- To instill a knowledge of God and love for Him and for Jesus Christ who came into the world to be its Redeemer. To establish belief and practice in the essential relational experience of faith and prayer. To develop respect and reverence for the Bible as the divine Word of God, including the Ten Commandments as the rule of guidance for a complete life. Character -- To present the ideals of true culture and encourage an appreciation of what is pure, true, noble, right and beautiful. To develop an inward fortitude against evil and a sense of personal responsibility in the application of spiritual, social, moral and physical laws that should govern individual conduct. “¼And with man.” Luke 2:52 Home and Family -- To awaken an appreciation of home, where love is the motivating power in the life of every member of the family. Citizenship -- To inspire love of country, loyalty to country, and respect for recognized authority. Service -- To establish in the minds and hearts of the students the Christian motive of service and concern for others as opposed to the incentive of selfish rivalry. To emphasize the value and dignity of labor in the development of character and in carrying out the responsibilities of life. REQUIREMENTS FOR ADMISSION Adventist Christian Academy admits students of any race, color, or ethnic origin, to all the rights, privileges, programs, and activities generally accorded or made available to students. In administration of its educational policies it does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, or ethnic origin. Adventist Christian Academy is operated especially for the youth of the Seventh-day Adventist faith. It is a privilege, not a right to attend A.C.A. However, as space permits, a student who is not a member of the Seventh-day Adventist church may be admitted. It is expected that all students will uphold the standards of Adventist Christian Academy and will cheerfully endeavor to live in harmony with the principles of the school. Parents who, after consultation with the teacher and the principal, find themselves in disagreement with the practices or policies of the school may be asked to withdraw their student. It is recommended that students not be entered in school before they reach the age of six years. Parents of each Kindergarten student must present the student’s birth certificate to the school by July 1st. Students may be required to undergo testing before acceptance or during the first month of the school year. If satisfactory achievement scores are on file at A.C.A., testing may be omitted. The school reserves the right, after testing an applicant and counseling with the parents, to change the grade placement to one more suitable for the student. The school may not be equipped or sufficiently staffed to offer continuous remedial help to students with special needs. Applicants for admission must submit a standard application blank, properly filled out, which will be presented to the A.C.A. Board for final approval. New and returning students should have a G.P.A. of 2.0 (or equivalent) in order to be considered for admission. Students with a recent scholastic performance below 2.0 will be subject to the Scholastic Probation Policy. Deviation from this standard may be done only at the discretion of the school board. Scholastic Probation will be in effect the first nine weeks following admittance. It will be required that the student improve their G.P.A. to a current 2.0 or above within the following nine week period. Continued monitoring of the student’s G.P.A. will be evaluated every three weeks for the next nine weeks. Failure to meet this standard may result in dismissal. Re-admittance during the next or subsequent school years will be evaluated on an individual basis, subject to the previous year’s performance. Also, scholastic performance at any time during the school year, which falls below 2.0 for any nine-week grading period, will result in a Scholastic Probation as outlined above. If at any time during the school year the A.C.A. faculty believes a student needs professional evaluation, and/or testing for learning, behavioral or attention disorders, it is the parents’ responsibility to arrange for such examination and make the results available to A.C.A. faculty in a timely manner (as determined by the principal). If this requirement is not met, the student ***************************************************************************** may be asked to withdraw from school. ***************************************************************************** Send mail to webmaster@bloomingtonadventist.org with questions or comments about this web site. Last modified: December 18, 2003 </quote> I do not know if Janet Mae Stidd, married Drew, is part of the "Seventh-day Adventist Church" of Bloomington, Indiana. But it seems that <quote> "the unique standards and ******************************************************* character of the Seventh-day Adventist Church , differs ******************************************************* sufficiently from the public school to justify its establishment. ***************************************************************** </quote> Perhaps the "Seventh-day Adventist Church" of Bloomington, Indiana, could have some influence on her. Unless she already <quote> may be asked to withdraw from school. </quote> You do know it: The bible is a book about war. It is full of blood shedding and cruelty. These are words by Jan Drew: <quote> Wow - Debbee is calling people "Miss Busy Body" - and stating it isn't our business to know *who" she is, *what" she does for a living, or *where* she lives. Yet, she sees fit to get into other people's business, calling their employers, etc. and giving fictious and defamatory information. What a piece of work you are Debbee! </quote> Jan Drew, THAT "piece of work", has no problem with calling employers, whith making complaints, etc,... Janet Mae Stidd, "Jan Drew", attacks other persons' families. She never gives pardon, she never apologizes, not even for the greatest lie or assault. She has no mercy, she lets children die - consequence of the false advice she gives. To follow her medical claims can lead to the death of your children and of yourself. Signature"Wo sich ein Priester aufhält, darf kein Weib eintreten." Synode von Paris, 846 "In keiner Religion oder Weltanschauung ist die Frau so geachtet und geehrt wie im Christentum!" Der katholische Theologe Bernhard Häring im 20. Jahrhundert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.reimbibel.de <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >I have two new articles on the www.bolenreport.com website you will >find interesting [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >President Richard Nixon. It is a complete failure. The enemy, cancer, >continues to gain ground. Why? Your old and now thankfully dead friend Hulda Clark had "The Cure For All Cancers" and "The Cure For All Advanced Cancers". Was she lying? <snip remaining bullshit> How is the lawsuit against Google and Weblink going, Tim? SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > >I have two new articles on thewww.bolenreport.comwebsite you will > >find interesting… [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > For All Cancers" and "The Cure For All Advanced Cancers". Was she > lying? Timmy cannot make any more money from > <snip remaining bullshit> > > How is the lawsuit against Google and Weblink going, Tim? What is that all bout. Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> Keeps forgetting he posted call me Mark "Diversion" Probert. >Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> > >Keeps forgetting Oh, well, he might habe a bad memory like I have a bad memory. But this is what computers are made for. So, this is what my computer memorized about Jan Drew: FAQ about JAN DREW, the Net stalker and agent for the naturopathic mafia ======================================================================== Part V ====== 1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he? 2. The history of Jan Drew 3. Where is Jan Drew? 4. Bloomington, Indiana - what a town...? 5. Jan Drew in Bloomington, Indiana 6. The second marriage of Janet Mae Stidd 1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he? ======================================== Yesterday, on July 15th., 2009, Jan Drew used this email address: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> today, a Jan Drew shows up and makes the very same mess as the Jan Drew before. The question is: Is this new Jan Drew the very same as the old one? Have a look at this header of a posting by the old Jan Drew: <quote> Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> ******************************************* Newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,sci.med.dentistry References: <2Tv5m.13822$Dx2.10481@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com> <4a56c915$1@news.x-privat.org> <5887315b-4039-4968-96b4-690ef356cdf7@k20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> <1n5f55h7u4c42bi46dd3edip1jill4llqg@4ax.com> <c5f6d3c6-9b06-41d2-a108-fd1f1db1c3c7@m18g2000vbi.googlegroups.com> <4a57f60d@news.x-privat.org> <e0ee83b9-fd44-4b4e-aa43-144adc5c81d6@j12g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> <4a5949b8@news.x-privat.org> <c3fb2c8b-309c-476f-85e1-105728115430@f16g2000vbf.googlegroups.com> <%tR6m.13435$j84.75@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> <598f2214-9713-4260-b3e6-2970dcad8ef3@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <598f2214-9713-4260-b3e6-2970dcad8ef3@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Turning every which way Lines: 90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 Message-ID: <NCc7m.16203$j84.2428@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.89.125 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009 ************************************************************ 00:08:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:08:13 EDT Organization: at&t http://my.att.net/ X-UserInfo1: SCSYQNON_BWWSTT[_X_JJ\UDFZ\@@FXLM@TDOCQDJ@_@FNHBK^RAQFW[ML\THRCKV^GGZKJMGV^^_JSCFFUA_QXFGVSCYRPILH]TRVKC^LSN@DX_HCAFX__@J\DAJBVMY\ZWZCZLPA^MVH_P@\\EOMW\YSXHG__IJQY_@M[A[[AXQ_XDSTAR]\PG]NVAQUVM Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:08:06 -0400 misc.health.alternative:625434 misc.kids.health:185126 alt.support.breast-implant:159698 sci.med.dentistry:311488 [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote in message news:598f2214-9713-4260-b3e6-2970dcad8ef3@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com... > [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote in message </quote> The old Jan Drew posts from the IP X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009 The new Jan Drew with the email address Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com> posts from this IP: Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.239.93.194; See this piece of proof: <quote> From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com> ************************************* Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Subject: Re: TURNABOUT IS FAIR PLAY Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 77 Message-ID: <b2ae85b9-c00d-4ade-8e32-4baa930a2bff@r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> References: <1934e371-d192-4b1e-88be-e8db77045bb3@q35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.93.194 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1247775941 27518 127.0.0.1 (16 Jul 2009 20:25:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.239.93.194; ************************************************************************* posting-account=OFeWnQoAAABbB1i9TveLsH6hCiYooPyP User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1) Gecko/20090624 Firefox/3.5 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Oh, dear [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] is shouting again. You should be careful. Remember you will be 64 in November of this year. Regardless of all your antics to prove otherwise. The fact is you posted your birthday. On Jul 15, 11:27 pm, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote: > For years Jan has felt it is her right to report anyone she wishes to > their ISP or email provider. [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > I suggest you read your terms of service > At Gmail.com,Optimum.net, cv.net, and google.com You are not fooling me, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]. I happen to know you reported me several days ago. And, what does Torah say about turnabout is fair play? </quote> So we have: From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT) but about an hour later, with the same email address another IP shows up: From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT) See this piece of proof: <quote> From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com> ********************************************** Newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit,sci.med,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health Subject: Re: ADHD Drugs Proven Absolutely Useless for Children - Plus, They Stunt Growth Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT) ********************************************** Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 418 Message-ID: <356ea98d-dfc2-471b-84c5-57daa71288cf@r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> References: <97f92520-cdcc-4952-bc3f-a8b4e6b3c1e4@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <a6427afd-254c-44e3-9bd9-4d96bce8881a@o36g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> <a9086444-5e6e-4267-89be-6ee0f5cf2cb8@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.112.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1247780472 9697 127.0.0.1 (16 Jul 2009 21:41:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.12.112.11; *********************************************************************** posting-account=OFeWnQoAAABbB1i9TveLsH6hCiYooPyP User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; AOL 9.0; Windows NT 6.0; Trident/4.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: HTTP/1.1 (Velocity/3.1.1.5 [uScMs f p eN:t cCMp s ]), HTTP/1.0 spider-mtc-ta11.proxy.aol.com[400C700B] (Prism/1.2.1) On Jul 12, 7:01 pm, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote: > On Jul 12, 1:48 am, bosco62a <bosco...@yahoo.com> wrote: </quote> This is the IP: Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.12.112.11; So we see that Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com> also uses this IP from AOL: <quote> IP Information for 64.12.112.11 IP Location: United States Reston America Online Inc Resolve Host: spider-mtc-ta11.proxy.aol.com IP Address: 64.12.112.11 Blacklist Status: Clear Whois Record OrgName: America Online, Inc. OrgID: AMERIC-158 Address: 10600 Infantry Ridge Road City: Manassas StateProv: VA PostalCode: 20109 Country: US </quote> AOL is the very same provider which Jan Drew #1 used. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2. The history of Jan Drew ========================== This new Jan Drew is #3 as Jan Drew #1 was the one with the AOL account. #1. jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929) #2. "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> #3. Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com> I looked at the profiles of Jan Drew #1 and Jan Drew #2: http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=mjG-gxIAAAAcoQ2KLl1VxZeaTlHITt8e 8rhlH0Pnl47z4AZhN98BFg That is for Jan Drew's old account at AOL. jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929) <quote> Posting-Aktivität Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez. 1999 - - 191 99 54 223 289 260 203 359 297 192 2000 109 276 414 249 461 628 384 284 191 60 416 626 2001 534 152 572 297 677 430 715 621 281 278 392 599 2002 788 481 343 390 508 718 666 643 655 874 561 954 2003 621 866 932 646 629 746 539 593 595 500 521 569 2004 459 692 958 716 749 524 694 1045 784 1007 1151 977 2005 480 1143 206 - - - - 5 - - - 2 2006 3 7 10 157 6 13 21 3 21 43 5 24 2007 74 37 - 5 - 5 2 - 1 - - - 2008 9 - - - 21 - - - - - - - </quote> This is for "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=5J_FIxcAAADGQdj7vwDkkkzclBLHYN6w hUEdIBtH1-9oWMCTqaiMrA <quote> Posting-Aktivität Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez. - .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... 2006 - 157 2293 1921 1837 2092 2273 1865 1797 2453 1600 1042 2007 475 357 406 523 561 490 370 287 326 435 798 552 2008 942 1346 892 1006 579 1076 742 877 451 555 383 424 2009 909 691 585 345 861 835 423 </quote> As you can see: The old account at AOL still is used, but less often. Here you can see the activities of Jan Drew #3: http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=pps3lhMAAABsyTkDyyCDPfvL_gVgZJy1 WMj6vob75xS36mXc24h6ww ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3. Where is Jan Drew? ===================== In an old posting I found the word "Bloomington", which made me curious. So I tried to find more about it. This I now found with the word "bloomington": http://www.theangelconnection.net/school9.html <quote> 2433) Bill Drew, Bloomington, Indiana 2434) Jan Drew, Bloomington, Indiana </quote> I also found this: <quote> LookupAnyone.com - People Directory - Jan Drew Drew, Jan L, 63, Cheyenne, WY. Drew, Jana Brittain, 45, Wilmington, NC. Drew, Janelle L, 36, Sublette, IL. Drew, Janet B, 70, Bloomington, IN ... *************************************** www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/jan-drew.html LookupAnyone.com - People Directory - Jan Harper Harper, Jan L, 84, Loveland, CO. Harper, Jan Drew, 53, Fairview, NC ... Harper, Jan E, 54, Cincinnati, OH. Harper, Jan, Bloomington, IN ... www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/jan-harper.html </quote> Well, Bloomington turns out to be a town in Indiana. The WHOIS for the IP of Jan Drew #2 (which actually is Jan Drew #3) gives for (see above!) nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009 this result: <quote> IP Information for 70.239.89.125 IP Location: United States Bloomington AT&T Internet Services ************************************************************** Resolve Host: adsl-70-239-89-125.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net ********************************************************* IP Address: 70.239.89.125 Blacklist Status: Clear Whois Record OrgName: AT&T Internet Services OrgID: SIS-80 Address: 2701 N. Central Expwy # 2205.15 City: Richardson StateProv: TX PostalCode: 75080 Country: US NetRange: 70.224.0.0 - 70.239.255.255 CIDR: 70.224.0.0/12 NetName: SBCIS-SIS80 NetHandle: NET-70-224-0-0-1 Parent: NET-70-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: NS1.AMERITECH.NET NameServer: NS2.AMERITECH.NET Comment: RegDate: 2005-03-22 Updated: 2007-05-25 OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE6-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Abuse - Southwestern Bell Internet OrgAbusePhone: +1-800-648-1626 </quote> Bloomington, Indiana. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4. Bloomington, Indiana - what a town...? ========================================= Searching with Jan Drew Blomington one hit is this: <quote> Recently Visited Groups | Help | Sign in misc.health.alternative Message from discussion Debbee/Deborah Annie Adams either Put up or Shut up!--Jan Drew wins the SEA EWE EN TEA Award View parsed - Show only message text Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!out02a.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!in04.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!nlpi057.nbdc.sbc.com!prodigy.net!flpi088.ffdc.sbc.com!prodigy.com!flpi107.ffdc.sbc.com!nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!6c044f75!not-for-mail From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> ****************************************** Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-implant References: <5fb276c9-4492-466d-8f55-fbc7afb4a5fb@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <8lZ7k.14208$Ri.12268@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com> <2095c8bf-ab0d-4931-98bc-5d70c7ed9203@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <qJF8k.11426$uE5.9260@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com> <3eba8128-72f8-4d08-95a1-5d326dfa457d@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com> <4jY8k.29005$ZE5.25632@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> <ffa52845-c6e5-43e6-bb39-ad264c286823@r37g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <g439sm$cjk$1@aioe.org> <8f930eab-5c8f-4d7c-8457-23bae7ebd5ad@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <g43q87$bj6$1@aioe.org> <d055491b-85d5-42b1-997f-4248f15e388f@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <GeE9k.13323$mh5.8143@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com> <5a2f4537-a888-4df8-856e-be00515bafc9@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> <IOV9k.209$cn7.116@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com> <da69f703-8181-48ac-a5c1-5b9f9f674eef@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <VFUak.460$cn7.243@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com> <e6169a9d-670c-4443-8646-eab425aa66b0@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <e6169a9d-670c-4443-8646-eab425aa66b0@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Debbee/Deborah Annie Adams either Put up or Shut up!--Jan Drew wins the SEA EWE EN TEA Award Lines: 463 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Message-ID: <B2hbk.21272$co7.17353@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.91.212 ******************************** X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com 1215143201 ST000 70.239.91.212 (Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:46:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:46:41 EDT Organization: at&t http://my.att.net/ X-UserInfo1: SCSYQN_@OPT[B_\YYJ_BZ]EJUSXB@DTMNHWB_EYLJZ]BGIELNVUEAE[YETZPIWWI[FCIZA^NBFXZ_D[BFNTCNVPDTNTKHWXKB@X^B_OCJLPZ@ET_O[G\XSG@E\G[ZKVLBL^CJINM@I_KVIOR\T_M_AW_M[_BWU_HFA_]@A_A^SGFAUDE_DFTMQPFWVW[QPJN Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 23:46:08 -0400 You, Deborah Annie Adams first wrote: Jan: Since it would appear that you always have to be "right," it would appear that you can not admit that you invented some stories about me that are not truthful in nature. I sent you a "cease and desist" letter from this email address. I only came back to post (I still get all of the emails from the group) and make it very perfectly clear that you have no clue of what you are discussing about me, and those that do, are laughing at you. Would you rather be, "right," in your own mind, or look foolish amongst those that are "in the know." I'm no longer reading this newsgroup, and came back when yet again, you would appear to be a few sandwiches short of a full picnic, and I will not longer tolerate the garbage that is spewing from your toxic mouth. Leave my name out of your discussions. Lose my name from your vocabulary. Got it? I hope so. And by the way, Annie is a nickname that some people call me because it is part of my name. Just because I am no longer posting, does not mean I am no longer reading. "BeeStings" <dbeesti...@aol.com> wrote in message news:5fb276c9-4492-466d-8f55-fbc7afb4a5fb@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > Jan: Yes, Debbee? OrgName: Netscape Communications Corp. OrgID: NSCP Address: 501 E. Middlefield City: Mountain View StateProv: CA PostalCode: 94043 Country: US NetRange: 207.200.64.0 - 207.200.127.255 CIDR: 207.200.64.0/18 NetName: NETSCAPE-CIDR NetHandle: NET-207-200-64-0-1 Parent: NET-207-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: NS.NETSCAPE.COM NameServer: NS2.NETSCAPE.COM Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE RegDate: 1996-09-06 Updated: 2001-03-28 RTechHandle: AOL-NOC-ARIN RTechName: America Online, Inc. RTechPhone: +1-703-265-4670 RTechEmail: doma...@aol.net > Since it would appear that you always have to be "right," Oh, really? *would appear*, why don't you just speak up? > it would appear that you can not admit that you invented some stories about me that are not truthful in nature. I have nothing to admit, since I did NOT invent any stories about you, Debbee ***************************************************************************** Adams. ****** > I sent you a "cease and desist" letter from this email address. NO, you did not. In fact you sent me an email form SNIFFFTHIS, and used the name Annie, then signed it B. > I only came back to post (I still get all of the emails from the group) and make it very perfectly clear that you > have no clue of what you are discussing about me, and those that do, are laughing at you. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Got it? I hope so. > And by the way, Annie is a nickname that some people call me because it is part of my name. lol. I thought you said you were not Annie? > Just because I am no longer posting, does not mean I am no longer reading. lol. Poor Debbee: *I'm no longer reading this newsgroup*. Get help. Now, I will in fact post the email you sent me in another post. And...................... Don't even think about telling me what to do, post, or--otherwise, Debbee. Got that? Debbee A Adams do NOT email me again using different names, and a bit of history From Dbeesti...@aol.com Sat Jun 21 01:21:49 2008 X-Apparently-To: jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net via 209.191.85.222; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:21:56 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.137.9] Return-Path: <dbeesti...@aol.com> Authentication-Results: mta125.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com from=aol.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) Received: from 207.115.36.36 (EHLO nlpi007.prodigy.net) (207.115.36.36) by mta125.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:21:56 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.137.9] Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by nlpi007.prodigy.net (8.13.8 inb regex/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m5L8Ls8B013159 for <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:21:54 -0500 Received: from Dbeesti...@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id j.d64.27777f10 (30737) for <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:21:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dbeesti...@aol.com Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert Message-ID: <d64.27777f10.358e1...@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:21:49 EDT Subject: "Cease and Desist" To: jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d64.27777f10.358e141d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 206 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Length: 3714 June 21, 2008 This written to advise you to "cease and desist" from discussing me, and libeling me any further than you have. I'm tired of you posting about untruthful information about me, and Annie is one of my names. I have proof that my computer was hacked into, and hacked into people connected to Quackwatch. All you are doing is making a bigger fool out of yourself than you already have. Bob Kulacz, and Tim Bolen have copies of the emails I sent. The windows portion of my Mac Book was hacked into, and I'm no longer on Wireless. I am on dial-up. You have no idea of what you are talking about. You falsely accused me of (Bob Kulacz forwarded me the emails) of going to California to stalk Ilena, that I had joined the gang, and that you didn't trust me. This was entire fairy tale that you and Ilena made up, and I'm sorry that you feel that anyone that doesn't agree with you is a LIAR, but you have libelled me for the last time. It will not happen again. I am no longer posting there and there is no further need to discuss me. Ask your attorney to explain what "LIBEL" is. Calling someone a liar just because you don't happen to believe them, is libel. And there are two J. Drew's. It was even pointed out by another poster in the group. Thank you. Deborah Annie Adams -------------------------------------------- OOPs, note is is now J. Drew and not Jan Drew's Now, let's see what both Myrl Jeffcoat and Coleah Ayres has to say about Debbee http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/8239d7e6a3... Oct 27, 2007 Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant From: Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:52:42 -0000 Local: Sat, Oct 27 2007 10:52 am Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA You have contacted my employer which goes outside the bounds of civil behavior one Usenet. I consider you to be a stalker and abuser. Therefore, I will no longer respond to you except to post this message. YOU ARE HEREBY PLACED ON NOTICE NOT TO ATTEMPT TO CONTACT ME IN THE SLIGHTEST MANNER. YOU ARE NOT TO CONTACT ANYONE ABOUT ME. TO DO SO WILL JUSTIFY MY TAKING FURTHER ACTION, WHEN, WHERE AND WHAT AS I SEE FIT. On Oct 27, 12:16 am, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Oct 26, 4:37 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > For a list of the actual webpages created by Ilena Rosenthal, please visit: > >http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com/ilenawebpages.html > > For the Truth and the Facts surrounding Ilena Rosenthal and her foundation, please visit: > >http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com > I ran Ilena Rosenthal's name through a bunch of databases. I also called the DRE. Ilena Rosenthal has a license through the DRE, as do you, Myrl Jeffcoat. Have you done anything Myrl or Ilena that would violate the code ethics of the licenses you have?? I'm kind of curious to find out if something I read a while back has any truth attached to it. I have read where fans of celebrities have started websites using the celebrities names in the website address, and the celebrities have successfully been able to have those websites removed because the fan was using a name other than their own in the web address, and without permission. ------------------------------------ Follow that thread. You will see Debbee Adams--Snifffthis has nuked her posts. However, she evidently cannot nuke her profile. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/948ed26ada... Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant From: Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:56:27 -0700 Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 12:56 pm Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA DEBBEE SAID: "Apparently you have nothing better to do, some of us work for a living. Some of us have real lives." >From the mouth of (2nd from left) blonde: Debbee A Adams (54) San Carlos, CA and Milton, WA http://www.louielouie.net/pix-2007/loufest2007/ep-da-jeff-rfs.jpg I am very happily RETIRED from working. But, thank you for your 'unusual concern' about how I spend MY time. You wouldn't have been 'baiting' to learn who my 'employer' was, so you could complain about me, were you?????? Chortle, chortle, chortle. [Apparently DEBBEE has nothing better to do (while she's 'working' so hard for a living) than to search the internet looking for some kind of 'dirt' on people. The best she could do with me was find a reference to a store I previously owned.] Is that YOUR 'real life', DEBBEE? Certainly writing for little known rag called 60's Beat can't be all you do to pay the rent. >From a few previous poster's mentioning something about DEBBEE and a lawsuit....I got the impression DEBBEE had sued Mark Lindsey of Paul Revere and the Raiders. Alas it appears was the other way around. Funny how she denied any knowledge of it however. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/536569d0bf... Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant From: Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:06:53 -0000 Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 8:06 pm Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA On Oct 23, 2:33 pm, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Oct 23, 9:56 am, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote: > I know nothing of what you are speaking about. > I'm not the editor of any publication. > I do not live in Milton, WA or San Carlos, CA > There goes your credibility, Coleah right down the tube. > Deb Adams is not even my real name. So then Debbee - when you contacted corporate GMAC in the last couple of days, to complain about me, you are saying you lied about your name??? --------------------------------------- On Oct 23, 4:43 pm, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Oct 23, 3:50 pm, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote: > It is *not your business*, Miss Busy Body, of *who* I am, *what* I do for a living, and *where* I live. Nor is *your business* what I am even > doing here. This is the Usenet, and ANYONE can post here, for any reason. Got it? Good. Mind your own business, and I'll mind mine. Wow - Debbee is calling people "Miss Busy Body" - and stating it isn't our business to know *who" she is, *what" she does for a living, or *where* she lives. Yet, she sees fit to get into other people's business, calling their employers, etc. and giving fictious and defamatory information. What a piece of work you are Debbee! I can understand why you would wish to come out from under a rock to do your business, and then slither right back under again, once you've done your reptilian handiwork! You appear to be just another "free speech" hypocrite. "BeeStings" <dbeesti...@aol.com> wrote in message news:572e071b-2610-4d60-b4e5-9f45ceae2b93@r37g2000prm.googlegroups.com... > Jan Drew wrote: >> lol. Poor Debbee: >> *I'm no longer reading this newsgroup*. >> Get help. >> Now, I will in fact post the email you sent me in another post. And...................... >> Don't even think about telling me what to do, post, or--otherwise, Debbee. >> Got that? > It would appear that you need professional help in dealing with your abusive behavior. > Just because someone has abused you in the past, or present, does not give you the absolute > right to abuse others. Nor does it give you any special privileges to post lies about people you do not even know. > If you do not know where to turn for professional help; I suggest contacting your doctor and asking for referrals. > You are the one that needs help, not me. > I think it would be in your best interest to remove the post you just made. > Thank you. It DOES appear, not *would* that YOU Deborah Annie Adams need professional help. You have NEVER proven a single one of your false accusations. Nor--have you proven you KNOW there are two Jan Drew's posting on any of the same groups *I* Jan Drew post on. There has been no abusive behavior towards you for me. Your words: * Just because someone has abused you in the past, or present, does not give you the absolute right to abuse others.* And, just who would that be? Where did that come from? It DOES appear, you do not know what you are posting about So much for libel. Now, either put up or shut up! Create a group - Google Groups - Google Home - Terms of Service - Privacy Policy ©2009 Google </quote> Jan Drew in another case of Net stalking, as in unknown other cases before and later. What did Jan Drew write?: <quote> I have nothing to admit, since I did NOT invent any stories about you, Debbee ***************************************************************************** Adams. ****** </quote> That is fine because I did not invent any stories about Jan Drew. I only followed this figure and archived material... <quote> Follow that thread. You will see Debbee Adams--Snifffthis has nuked her posts. However, she evidently cannot nuke her profile. </quote> Jan Drew does not seem to know what a boomerang is... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5. Jan Drew in Bloomington, Indiana =================================== Jan Drew claims to have owned a children day care center. But one of the many things which Jan Drew refused to ever prove was this. Jan Drew even refused to prove that he/she is female. Well, looking for Jan Drew Bloomington reveiled many details. Like this one: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/janet-drew/9/302/551 <quote> Janet Drew Owner, rtired Bloomington, Indiana Area Research Current Owner at rtired Connections 0 connections Public Profile </quote> And this one: http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri =L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAwOC8wNi8yNS9uZXdzLnFwLTkxNDQwMjYuc3Rv&start=24 http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri=L3N0b3JpZXMvMj AwOC8wNi8yNS9uZXdzLnFwLTkxNDQwMjYuc3Rv&start=24 <quote> Janet Drew Thursday, June 26, 2008: 6:23 pm More from 'Janet Drew' God Bless Leon. He is no longer in pain. My daughter Jacque Nelson brought Hinkles from him. ************************* I got to know him. He hadn't felt well for some time. Larrry (his son) and wife Joan took him to their home in Florida. So happy he was with them when he passed away. He will never be forgotten by any here in Bloomington who knew and loved him. ***************************************************** Rest in peace, Leon. </quote> And this one: http://www.complaintsboard.com/bycity/united-states/indiana/bloomington/page/3 <quote> Complaints in Bloomington, Indiana ================================== Intelius Posted: 2008-05-28 by Janet [send email] Credit card not credited Complaint Rating: Talked with Carmen. All charges were to be credited. Conformation # 12056098. $4.95 of 5-14-08 has not been credited. Do so immediately. Janet Drew Reply to jdrew63929@aol.com... *************************** </quote> KABOOM!!!!!!!!!!! ***************** <quote> Janet Drew Reply to jdrew63929@aol.com... </quote> In may 2008 Jan Drew of Bloomington, Indiana, used the email address jdrew63929@aol.com That is exactly the very same as Jan Drew #1 used: http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=mjG-gxIAAAAcoQ2KLl1VxZeaTlHITt8e 8rhlH0Pnl47z4AZhN98BFg That is for Jan Drew's old account at AOL. jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 6. The second marriage of Janet Mae Stidd ========================================= Jan Drew posts as "Jan Drew", but is that really her name? How about Janet or Janice? Remember of of the search engine hits above? <quote> My daughter Jacque Nelson... </quote> Search engines love that... ;O) And they dig out precious little details ... like this: http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/Genealogy/DescendantsOfAndrewRichardson.htm <quote> 318 3 6732 Benjamin David Stidd (DOB: 05/18/1916) [DOD: 02/06/2001]{ M } Father: --- | 5461 Charles Thomas Stidd (DOB: 12/21/1881) [DOD: 00/00/1957] Mother: 311 | 5460 Lorene Sluss (DOB: 03/16/1885) [DOD: 00/00/1939] Spouse/SO: --- | 16325 Alma Mae Selzer (DOB: 10/22/1916) SO's father: --- | 16336 Clarence E. Selzer (DOB: abt. 00/00/1890) [DOD: 12/21/1979] SO's mother: --- | 16337 Erslie Woelflin Children 319 | 16326 Dr. Benton Maurice Stidd (DOB: 06/30/1936) 324 | 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939) ********************************************** 327 | 16335 Dr. Raymond Edward Stidd (DOB: 01/31/1938) Born: Monroe Cty., IN Documentation (birth): + Index to Monroe County, Indiana Birth Records 1882-1920 (re: Book H-8, p 297). Hays shows the year as 1914. Died: Ellettsville, Richland Twp., Monroe Cty., IN Buried: Valhalla Memory Gardens, Bloomington, Bloomington Twp., Monroe Cty., IN Obituary: Benjamin David Stidd, 84 May 18, 1916 - Feb. 6, 2001 ELLETTSVIlLE - Benjamin David Stidd, age 84, of Ellettsville, died Tuesday at his residence. He was born May 18, 1916, in Monroe County, the son of Charles and Lorena (Sluss) Stidd. He was a 1934 graduate of Bloomington High School, and was a retired contractor and well-known farmer residing in the Bean Blossom bottom area of Monroe County most of his life. He was active in the Stinesville Parent Teachers Association and was its president from 1954 to 1956. During World War II, he was involved in the construction of Camp Atterbury in Columbus, the Allison Plant in Indianapolis, as well as a similar facility in Evansville, and finally finished his service at the Crane Naval Station in construction of military facilities. He was a member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church and served in several capacities as deacon and elder. He was married to Alma Mae Selzer of Bloomington in 1934, and she remains. Other survivors include three children, Dr. Benton M. Stidd of Liberty Hollow Road, a retired professor from Western Illinois University, Dr. Raymond E. Stidd of Nashville, a retired Columbus podiatrist, and a daughter, Janet Drew of Bloomington, retired owner of Happy Day Care ************************************************************************** Center; ******* three sisters, Martha Collins and Velma Hall of Bloomington and Jenny Name of Ellettsville; 11 grandchildren and 17 great-grandchildren. He was preceded in death by three brothers, Farwell Stidd, Leon Stidd and Lester Stidd, and two sisters, Louise Richardson and Freda Bain. Funeral service will be 1 p.m. Friday at Day Mortuary Chapel. Burial will be at Valhalla Memory Gardens Mausoleum. Friends may call at Day Mortuary from 5-8 p.m. on Thursday. Friends who wish may make memorial contributions to the scholarship fund of the Stinesville Alumni Association. Addresses: Ellettsville, RichlandTwp., Monroe Cty., IN Military Service: During World War II, he was involved in the construction of Camp Atterbury in Columbus, the Allison Plant in Indianapolis, as well as a similar facility in Evansville, and finally finished his service at the Crane Naval Station in construction of military facilities. Employment/Professions: Farmer Education: Bloomington High School (Bloomington, Monroe Cty., IN) *High School* 1934 Religion: Seventh-day Adventists ******************************** Documents:Obituary Herald-Times (Bloomington, IN), 2/7/2001 Notes: From obituary. THD 22124 </quote> and this: http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/Genealogy/DescendantsOfAndrewRichardson.htm <quote> 324 4 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939) { F } *************************************************** Father: 318 | 6732 Benjamin David Stidd (DOB: 05/18/1916) [DOD: 02/06/2001] Mother: --- | 16325 Alma Mae Selzer (DOB: 10/22/1916) Spouse/SO: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936) ********************************************************** SO's father: --- | 16330 Don Nelson SO's mother: --- | 16331 Anna Bell Jones Spouse/SO: --- | 16332 James William Drew (DOB: 03/29/1935) *********************************************************** SO's father: --- | 16333 James F. Drew SO's mother: --- | 16334 Grace Small Children 325 | 16767 Jeffery Lynn Nelson (DOB: 11/17/1958) 326 | 16768 Jacque Ann Nelson (DOB: 10/22/1960) ************************************************ Addresses: Bloomington, Monroe Cty., IN As of: 02/07/2001 Notes: From the Stidd/Sluss Family record and her father's obituary. +From Tommy Hays' notes. THD 114382 </quote> All the pieces fit together. First, marriage with <quote> Spouse/SO: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936) </quote> which makes the children have the family name Nelson. The second marriage with <quote> Spouse/SO: --- | 16332 James William Drew (DOB: 03/29/1935) *********************************************************** </quote> makes Janet Mae Nelson, nee Stidd, Janet Drew of Bloomington, retired owner of Happy Day Care Center. The details of that: http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/p97.html <quote> James William "Bill" Drew ************************** M, #I4836, Born: [private] Father:: James Franklin Drew, Born: 19 January 1916 Mother:: Grace Lorraine Small, Born: 29 January 1917, Died: 19 January 1995 Birth: 28 March 1935 Washington, Daviess County, Indiana Family: Marriage: 1 : Peggy Ann Ramage Married: 24 March 1954, Born: [private] Mary Beth Drew, Born: 23 May 1954, Died: 24 May 1954 William Franklin Drew, Born: 21 August 1957, Died: 30 April 1958 + Cheryl Ann Drew, Born: [private] James David Drew, Born: [private] Susan Elaine "Susie" Drew, Born: [private] Marriage: 2 : Janet Mae Stidd Married: 25 November 1970, Born: [private] ******************************************************* Last Updated: 05 March 2008 </quote> http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/p97.html#I4846 <quote> Janet Mae Stidd *************** F, #I4846, Born: [private] Father:: ? Mother:: ? Birth: 16 March 1938 Family: Marriage: 1 : James William "Bill" Drew Married: 25 November 1970, Born: ****************************************************************** [private] Last Updated: 14 May 2001 </quote> One more detail: http://www.lookupanyone.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1&searchform=name <quote> Janet M Drew ************ View Details 70 Bloomington, IN (3) ************************************ Spencer, IN (1) Lutz, FL (1) James Drew J B Drew Jan Drew Bill J Drew </quote> "70" is her age, which matches with the other parts in the mosaic. You remember the memorial?: http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri=L3N0b3JpZXMvMj AwOC8wNi8yNS9uZXdzLnFwLTkxNDQwMjYuc3Rv&start=24 <quote> Janet Drew Thursday, June 26, 2008: 6:23 pm More from 'Janet Drew' God Bless Leon. He is no longer in pain. My daughter Jacque Nelson brought Hinkles from him. ************************* I got to know him. He hadn't felt well for some time. Larrry (his son) and wife Joan took him to their home in Florida. So happy he was with them when he passed away. He will never be forgotten by any here in Bloomington who knew and loved him. ***************************************************** Rest in peace, Leon. </quote> Well, there is the counterpart: http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/Genealogy/DescendantsOfAndrewRichardson.htm#16768 <quote> 326 5 16768 Jacque Ann Nelson (DOB: 10/22/1960) { F } *********************************************** Father: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936) ******************************************************* Mother: 324 | 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939) ***************************************************** </quote> Through all the years since the beginning of the logs of jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929) Jan Drew pestered the net: jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929) <quote> Posting-Aktivität Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez. 1999 - - 191 99 54 223 289 260 203 359 297 192 2000 109 276 414 249 461 628 384 284 191 60 416 626 2001 534 152 572 297 677 430 715 621 281 278 392 599 2002 788 481 343 390 508 718 666 643 655 874 561 954 2003 621 866 932 646 629 746 539 593 595 500 521 569 2004 459 692 958 716 749 524 694 1045 784 1007 1151 977 2005 480 1143 206 - - - - 5 - - - 2 2006 3 7 10 157 6 13 21 3 21 43 5 24 2007 74 37 - 5 - 5 2 - 1 - - - 2008 9 - - - 21 - - - - - - - </quote> This is for "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=5J_FIxcAAADGQdj7vwDkkkzclBLHYN6w hUEdIBtH1-9oWMCTqaiMrA <quote> Posting-Aktivität Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez. - .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... 2006 - 157 2293 1921 1837 2092 2273 1865 1797 2453 1600 1042 2007 475 357 406 523 561 490 370 287 326 435 798 552 2008 942 1346 892 1006 579 1076 742 877 451 555 383 424 2009 909 691 585 345 861 835 160 </quote> Jan Drew gives medical advice, which, if followed, can lead to the death of your children and of yourself. Jan Drew lies, Jan Drew forges, Jan Drew seeds hatred, Jan Drew makes MASSIVE advertising for the naturopathic mafia. And: Jan Drew abuses the name of god. TEN YEARS NOW. And Jan Drew, despite all kind or tough pleas NOT to stalk people, continious with here crimionakl behavior. I think that TEN YEARS really is enough time that has been given to her top stop. And now, there definitely is an end. Janet Mae Stidd, married to Mr. Drew on 25th, november, 1970, living in Bloomington, Indiana, do cease and desist your crimes! In the matter of Jan Drew abusing the name of god another detail shows up: the Seventh Day Adventist Church 301 E Matlock Rd Bloomington, IN (812) 332-5025 In its gone web-site the have some strong words concerning their being so very special: http://web.archive.org/web/20031223034424/bloomingtonsda.org/handbook.htm <quote> Home | Up | Feedback | Contents | Search ACA Handbook Excerpts Purpose Aims & Objectives Requirements for Admission PURPOSE In a state in which public schools offer excellent educational opportunities at public expense, a private school should have a special reason for its existence. Adventist Christian Academy , with the unique standards and *********************************************************** character of the Seventh-day Adventist Church , differs ******************************************************* sufficiently from the public school to justify its establishment. ***************************************************************** Christian principles, as practiced by Seventh-day Adventists, have first place in determining the policies of Adventist Christian Academy . The following quotation defines the Seventh-day Adventist concept of Christian education: “True education means more than the pursuit of a certain course of study. It means more than a preparation for the life that now is. It has to do with the whole being and with the whole period of existence possible to man. It is the harmonious development of the physical, the mental, and the spiritual powers. It prepares the student for the joy of service in this world, and for the higher joy of wider service in the world to come.” Education, p. 13. Seventh-day Adventists sincerely believe that Christ is coming literally to this earth to claim His own, but before He comes, the gospel is to be taken into all the world. “With such an army of workers as our youth, rightly trained, might furnish, how soon the message of a crucified, risen, and soon-coming Savior might be carried to the whole world.” Education, p. 271. Adventist Christian Academy begins the training of its youth in this high responsibility. Adventist Christian Academy offers grades K through 8 of formal education. Our school provides a state-approved curriculum and is supervised and accredited through the Education Department of the Indiana Conference of Seventh-Day Adventists. AIMS AND OBJECTIVES “And Jesus increased in wisdom¼” Skills and Knowledge -- To teach the value and necessity of the mental habits of application and concentration. To provide the acquisition of common skills and knowledge essential to scholastic progress. To engender a love of learning that will be carried throughout their life here in this world and into the world to come. “¼And Stature¼” Health and Recreation -- To promote the study and practice of the principles of health and temperance, in the belief that mental and spiritual vigor are in a great degree dependent upon physical health, strength and activity. To guide students in making good choices regarding recreation and leisure time. “¼And in favor with God¼” Relationship to God -- To instill a knowledge of God and love for Him and for Jesus Christ who came into the world to be its Redeemer. To establish belief and practice in the essential relational experience of faith and prayer. To develop respect and reverence for the Bible as the divine Word of God, including the Ten Commandments as the rule of guidance for a complete life. Character -- To present the ideals of true culture and encourage an appreciation of what is pure, true, noble, right and beautiful. To develop an inward fortitude against evil and a sense of personal responsibility in the application of spiritual, social, moral and physical laws that should govern individual conduct. “¼And with man.” Luke 2:52 Home and Family -- To awaken an appreciation of home, where love is the motivating power in the life of every member of the family. Citizenship -- To inspire love of country, loyalty to country, and respect for recognized authority. Service -- To establish in the minds and hearts of the students the Christian motive of service and concern for others as opposed to the incentive of selfish rivalry. To emphasize the value and dignity of labor in the development of character and in carrying out the responsibilities of life. REQUIREMENTS FOR ADMISSION Adventist Christian Academy admits students of any race, color, or ethnic origin, to all the rights, privileges, programs, and activities generally accorded or made available to students. In administration of its educational policies it does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, or ethnic origin. Adventist Christian Academy is operated especially for the youth of the Seventh-day Adventist faith. It is a privilege, not a right to attend A.C.A. However, as space permits, a student who is not a member of the Seventh-day Adventist church may be admitted. It is expected that all students will uphold the standards of Adventist Christian Academy and will cheerfully endeavor to live in harmony with the principles of the school. Parents who, after consultation with the teacher and the principal, find themselves in disagreement with the practices or policies of the school may be asked to withdraw their student. It is recommended that students not be entered in school before they reach the age of six years. Parents of each Kindergarten student must present the student’s birth certificate to the school by July 1st. Students may be required to undergo testing before acceptance or during the first month of the school year. If satisfactory achievement scores are on file at A.C.A., testing may be omitted. The school reserves the right, after testing an applicant and counseling with the parents, to change the grade placement to one more suitable for the student. The school may not be equipped or sufficiently staffed to offer continuous remedial help to students with special needs. Applicants for admission must submit a standard application blank, properly filled out, which will be presented to the A.C.A. Board for final approval. New and returning students should have a G.P.A. of 2.0 (or equivalent) in order to be considered for admission. Students with a recent scholastic performance below 2.0 will be subject to the Scholastic Probation Policy. Deviation from this standard may be done only at the discretion of the school board. Scholastic Probation will be in effect the first nine weeks following admittance. It will be required that the student improve their G.P.A. to a current 2.0 or above within the following nine week period. Continued monitoring of the student’s G.P.A. will be evaluated every three weeks for the next nine weeks. Failure to meet this standard may result in dismissal. Re-admittance during the next or subsequent school years will be evaluated on an individual basis, subject to the previous year’s performance. Also, scholastic performance at any time during the school year, which falls below 2.0 for any nine-week grading period, will result in a Scholastic Probation as outlined above. If at any time during the school year the A.C.A. faculty believes a student needs professional evaluation, and/or testing for learning, behavioral or attention disorders, it is the parents’ responsibility to arrange for such examination and make the results available to A.C.A. faculty in a timely manner (as determined by the principal). If this requirement is not met, the student ***************************************************************************** may be asked to withdraw from school. ***************************************************************************** Send mail to webmaster@bloomingtonadventist.org with questions or comments about this web site. Last modified: December 18, 2003 </quote> I do not know if Janet Mae Stidd, married Drew, is part of the "Seventh-day Adventist Church" of Bloomington, Indiana. But it seems that <quote> "the unique standards and ******************************************************* character of the Seventh-day Adventist Church , differs ******************************************************* sufficiently from the public school to justify its establishment. ***************************************************************** </quote> Perhaps the "Seventh-day Adventist Church" of Bloomington, Indiana, could have some influence on her. Unless she already <quote> may be asked to withdraw from school. </quote> You do know it: The bible is a book about war. It is full of blood shedding and cruelty. These are words by Jan Drew: <quote> Wow - Debbee is calling people "Miss Busy Body" - and stating it isn't our business to know *who" she is, *what" she does for a living, or *where* she lives. Yet, she sees fit to get into other people's business, calling their employers, etc. and giving fictious and defamatory information. What a piece of work you are Debbee! </quote> Jan Drew, THAT "piece of work", has no problem with calling employers, whith making complaints, etc,... Janet Mae Stidd, "Jan Drew", attacks other persons' families. She never gives pardon, she never apologizes, not even for the greatest lie or assault. She has no mercy, she lets children die - consequence of the false advice she gives. To follow her medical claims can lead to the death of your children and of yourself. Signature"Wo sich ein Priester aufhält, darf kein Weib eintreten." Synode von Paris, 846 "In keiner Religion oder Weltanschauung ist die Frau so geachtet und geehrt wie im Christentum!" Der katholische Theologe Bernhard Häring im 20. Jahrhundert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.reimbibel.de <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >> >I have two new articles on thewww.bolenreport.comwebsite you will >> >find interesting [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >What is that all bout. Sorry, it was Webring, not Weblink. In 2008 Tim announced that major quackbusting centres around the world were about to be engulfed in a tsunami of legal action because they were manipulating Wikipedia and Google, using the agency of Webring. It was one of his more amusing delusions. http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/history/2008/02february.htm#23bolen SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >>> >I have two new articles on thewww.bolenreport.comwebsite you will >>> >find interesting. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/history/2008/02february.htm#23bolen The savage irony of all this is that the instant I and many others drew attention to the ridiculousness of Hulda Clark's fantasies, up popped Tim Bolen, threatening to sue us. If ever there was the intent to use the legal system to shut people up, this was it. Yet it is Barrett, Polevoy who have ended up with the legal costs in a SLAPP judgment, after a relentless, lying smear campaign on their characters, instigated by Bolen and spread about by Ilena Rosenthal! And who now does not understand that Hulda Clark was deluded (to put it charitably)? PM Listen up *gang*. > >> >I have two new articles on thewww.bolenreport.comwebsiteyou will > >> >find interesting… [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >> http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/history/2008/02february.htm#23bolen Thanks for citing that again, Jan. It really is hilarious, isn't it? SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com To show how dishonest you are, that is not what I posted. I posted: [ You left that out] > >>http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/history/2008/02february.htm#23bolen Thanks for proving yourself a proven liar. Now, go to the bush and stay there. Since all you do here is lie, insult, and harass. > -- > Peter Bowditch >To show how dishonest you are, that is not what I posted. What is not what you posted? Your email? >I posted: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > Thanks for proving yourself a proven liar. And thank you again for the link. Isn't Tim a barrel of laughs? >Now, go to the bush and stay there. What difference would that make? I have an excellent Internet connection in Grenfell. > Since all you do here is lie, >insult, and harass. So you keep saying, but without any evidence. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com [ ] His usual question, then posted off topic. Shilling his sick old websites filled with lies, and spam > -- > Peter Bowditch >[ ] > >His usual question, then posted off topic. >Shilling his sick old websites filled with lies, and spam Says Jan Drew, who shills for criminals like Hulda Clark. . Signature"Wo sich ein Priester aufhält, darf kein Weib eintreten." Synode von Paris, 846 "In keiner Religion oder Weltanschauung ist die Frau so geachtet und geehrt wie im Christentum!" Der katholische Theologe Bernhard Häring im 20. Jahrhundert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.reimbibel.de <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> [ ] > [ ] Great post Jan. I see it is as empty as your head. Great Post! Thanks for the update. > I have two new articles on thewww.bolenreport.comwebsite you will > find interesting… [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Tim Bolen > I have two new articles on thewww.bolenreport.comwebsite you will > find interesting… [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Tim Bolen Thanks, Tim. Welcome back. >Thanks, Tim. Welcome back. No reason. The guide on how to survive misc.health.alternative Rule #4 Do not fall for religious insanity which is disguised as medical argument. ************************************************************************** Question: Why is so often mentioned that certain patterns or arguments are based on religion?` Answer: Because it is true. Example A ========= >They are trying to blame everything on viruses, which is a load of >crap. Our bodies have been dealing with the same viruses for thousands [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >money, when we have the ability to actually reverse diseases, we just >need the funds to do it! That is religiotic bullshit. The key of it is that a) man is made by god b) god's creation withstands all illnesses BECAUSE IT IS MADE BY GOD AND BECAUSE THIS WORLD IS MADE FOR THIS VERY CREATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That ideology behind this simply is insane. But it can even get worse: some super-idiots claim that vaccination is blasphemy because it doubts the love of god and that the love of god would shield against ALL illnesses. Some people get really upset when confronted with these facts. But the point here is: The anti-vaccinationists want to stop vaccination. No vaccination - that would mean the death of MILLIONS of children and adults each year. To stop vaccination de facto is mass murder. But the religiots ACCEPT the death of these millions of children and adults. They sacrifice them... So, one of the most important things to look for is: What is the REAL base of the arguments you are told? ==================================================== Do never forget: Medicine shall save the lives of your children and of yourself. If you mess it up, you can shoot yourself rightway. Example B ========= "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love22@thetruth.com> Part 1 ------ "Leeerooy Jenkins" <j@j.com> gave a description of Andrew B. Chung in Message-ID: <Nu6dnb94loVIlujXnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com> <quote> Andrew Chung: Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google) Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google sock accounts and email addresses in the format lo...@thetruth.com (# being a number) Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job after just over 80 days Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia despite having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200, the ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its website Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates, which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets) Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet, then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and admits to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the process. Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover onto food. Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day from the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop internet cafe Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a bird flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over again and changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality, which naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to. Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps of being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong. Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious activity is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever attended a church. Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off as "being on vacation". Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as endocrinology, despite making incredibly fundamental blunders in his 'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him, and has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on Google. Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. His latest vile trick is spamming the blogs of dying cancer patients and then crowing triumphantly when they pass away. </quote> Part 2 ------ Andrew B. Chung supports mass murder. <quote> From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love20@thetruth.com> Newsgroups: sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife Subject: Re: Daily Spirit-guided WDJW health tip for 08/10/09 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <fa267b2a-e0e9-4dae-b4f6-ccea1c3830ca@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> Happy Oyster wrote: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >Happy Oyster wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Aha, so the so very friendly god commits mass murder. Retiring people from existence in this world and taking them up to ****************************************************************** heaven is not murder :-) ******************** </quote> Signature"Wo sich ein Priester aufhält, darf kein Weib eintreten." Synode von Paris, 846 "In keiner Religion oder Weltanschauung ist die Frau so geachtet und geehrt wie im Christentum!" Der katholische Theologe Bernhard Häring im 20. Jahrhundert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.reimbibel.de <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< In truth, the only people who benefit from this war are those in the huge, for profit, cancer industry - certainly not cancer victims or their families. The accepted therapies, those claimed to be "proven," are, in actuality, worthless. The statistics generated, even though the industry massages them, clearly show that 97.9% people who go the chemotherapy therapy route are dead five years later. That's correct - chemotherapy only has a 2.1% success rate over five years. Put in a 2.5% "margin of error" and you've got a big fat zero. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim, you are a big fat zero on an agenda. Your 5 yr route is old stats, currently its up to about 10. It also greatly improves quality of life rather than let the patient suffer for 5 yrs dieing, they now get 10 to live. The cancer "industry" is built on people who care about their patients and their families. They are honest about the income, something that the likes of Hulda never were. As to research monies and daily care monies they are two different things. Sprinkle some Hulda crystals on a few oysters and culture your own pearls to wear in remembrance and hope they weren't the glow in the dark radiation crystals from hidden treatments. > In truth, the only people who benefit from this war are those in the > huge, for profit, cancer industry - certainly not cancer victims or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 2.5% "margin of error" and you've got a big fat zero. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Oct 20, 1:18�am, "Peter B." <i...@i-brag.com> Troll. >I have two new articles on the www.bolenreport.com website you will >find interesting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >"Knockout," which talks about REAL treatments, ones that actually >work, for cancer. 9:00PM EST Why do we need her? We already have the cure for cancer, even for all diseases! We're so lucky that Hulda wrote these books about it, or that cure would have been lost for the world. Martin Rady chick to use his real name. Spends his time on myspace. Hulda Clark died of cancer on September 3, 2009 at her son's house in California. I have a copy of her death certificate. She had multiple melanoma with hypercalcemia and anemia. Patrick Timothy Bolen and his entourage of cancer quacks and their supporters can't stand it, so they said that she died of something else. When I heard that she died of a spinal injury, I knew that she must have had cancer of some kind. All it took was about $12.00 to obtain a copy of her certificate from the San Diego County Clerk's office. Terry Polevoy, MD P.S. Bolen can't stand the truth and the victims of Hulda Clark's lies have suffered enough. Her pain is gone, but her victims' pain continues forever. Scan it and post it. Please provide proof that it is the real thing and not something you made up in photoshop. > Hulda Clark died of cancer on September 3, 2009 at her son's house in > California. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > have suffered enough. Her pain is gone, but her victims' pain > continues forever. > Scan it and post it. Please provide proof that it is the real thing and not >something you made up in photoshop. And what if it is the real thing? Will it convince you of anything, or can we start making guesses as to what convoluted rationalizations you will come up with that she didn't really die of cancer, or that she could cure cancer, make that 'all diseases' anyway? >> Hulda Clark died of cancer on September 3, 2009 at her son's house in >> California. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> have suffered enough. Her pain is gone, but her victims' pain >> continues forever. > > Scan it and post it. Please provide proof that it is the real thing and not > >something you made up in photoshop. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > will come up with that she didn't really die of cancer, or that she > could cure cancer, make that 'all diseases' anyway? Hulda's Henchmen and Horde wioll never accept anything that shows she died of cancer. Never, ever. > >> Hulda Clark died of cancer on September 3, 2009 at her son's house in > >> California. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Please post where I have said that her stuff worked. On Oct 23, 9:29 am, Martin <n...@nowhere.com> wrote: > > Scan it and post it. Please provide proof that it is the real thing and > > not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > will come up with that she didn't really die of cancer, or that she > could cure cancer, make that 'all diseases' anyway? Hulda's Henchmen and Horde wioll never accept anything that shows she died of cancer. Never, ever. > >"T Polevoy" <drt...@gmail.com> wrote in message > >news:e9b4cf90-60eb-4dab-997c-0e881bcc03b5@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Please post where I have said that her stuff worked. Please post where I claimed that you said that. What you failed to understand is that her Henchmen, when it came time to prove her stuff worked, could not, even though they had unfettered access to her decades of "research." They could not meet even a simple burden of proof. In absence of proof that something "works" it is fair to accept that it does not. "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:487eab2a-87c9-4bed-b611-a2f42ea867d8@m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com... > On Oct 23, 9:29 am, Martin <n...@nowhere.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > > Please post where I have said that her stuff worked. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > In absence of proof that something "works" it is fair to accept that > it does not. Like this big lie from Mark S Probert http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f06b48baa0e38b71 Jul 27, 2004 Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative From: "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-July 23, 2004" <M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t 07-23...@lymbercartel.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:35:11 GMT Local: Fri, Jul 23 2004 10:35 am Subject: Re: Asbestos Deaths Up > >www.BreastImplantAwareness.org > >Another longtime cover up: Jan wrote: > Hulda Clark has been warning people of mold and abestos for > years,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,while other were busy calling her a quack. People were correctly calling her a quack for many reasons, none being asbestos related. The simple fact is that there is no cover-up regarding asbestos. In the 1980's, under AHERA, schools nationwide removed tons of it. Construction companies were forced to perform abatement before renovations or demolition. There is no doubt that there are very sick people with asbestosis and mesothelioma who were exposed to asbestos. I meet several of them every month and can usually find some documentation of their possible exposure so they can recevie WC benefits. Backj in the 1950's and 1960's, there was no idea that asbestos exposure could be so dangerous. During WWII boat builders at the Navy Yards were routinely exposed to it, brought the dust home, and exposed their families. No one knew. When I was in elementary school, I received a kit from a group in Canada, where asbestos was mined, called "Asbestos-The Magic Mineral." I brought it to school for a science project. No one knew. Once the dangers became known, precautions were put in place, and, eventually, abatement was begun. There is far less asbestos in our environment to day, and HULDA CLARK HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! Anyone claiming that there was a cover-up is an liar. ------------------------------------------- The EPA Comes Clean on Asbestos EPA warning on asbestos is under attack Lawyers target materials detailing dangers in brakes The federal government’s 17- year effort to warn backyard and professional mechanics of the dangers of cancer-causing as- bestos in brakes is under attack. The deadly truth about asbestos A brief chronology of what the owners and managers of asbestos companies knew, and when they knew it. 1890s * Asbestos, which previously had few industrial uses, becomes a raw material for large manufacturing industries, exposing large numbers of workers to asbestos dust for the first time. Asbestos-caused disease often develops decades after a person was first exposed. As a result, it was not until the early 1900s that large numbers of workers developed symptoms. David Kotelchuck, "Asbestos: ‘The Funeral Dress of Kings' - and Others" in Dying for Work: Workers' Safety and Health in Twentieth-Century America, ed. by David Rosner and Gerald Markowitz, Indiana University Press, Bloomington, IN 1987, p193 1918 * A Prudential Insurance Company official notes that life insurance companies will not cover asbestos workers, because of the "health-injurious conditions of the industry." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.5-6 1930 * Major asbestos company Johns-Manville produces report, for internal company use only, about medical reports of asbestos worker fatalities. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.663 1932 * Letter from U.S. Bureau of Mines to asbestos manufacturer Eagle-Picher states: "It is now known that asbestos dust is one of the most dangerous dusts to which man is exposed." Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.327 1933 * Metropolitan Life Insurance Co. doctors find that 29 percent of workers in a Johns-Manville plant have asbestosis. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.26 * Johns-Manville officials settle lawsuits by 11 employees with asbestosis on the condition that the employees' lawyer agree to never again "directly or indirectly participate in the bringing of new actions against the Corporation." Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.114 1934 * Officials of two large asbestos companies, Johns-Manville and Raybestos-Manhattan, edit an article about the diseases of asbestos workers written by a Metropolitan Life Insurance Company doctor. The changes minimize the danger of asbestos dust. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.114-15 1935 * Officials of Johns-Manville and Raybestos-Manhattan instruct the editor of Asbestos magazine to publish nothing about asbestosis. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.116 1936 * A group of asbestos companies agrees to sponsor research on the health effects of asbestos dust, but require that the companies maintain complete control over the disclosure of the results. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.587 1942 * Internal Owens-Corning corporate memo refer to "medical literature on asbestosis . . . . scores of publications in which the lung and skin hazards of asbestos are discussed." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.195 1942 or 1943 * The president of Johns-Manville says that the managers of another asbestos company were "a bunch of fools for notifying employees who had asbestosis." When one of the managers asks, "do you mean to tell me you would let them work until they dropped dead?" The response is reported to have been, "Yes. We save a lot of money that way." Testimony of Charles H. Roemer, Deposition taken April 25, 1984, Johns-Manville Corp., et al v. the United States of America, U.S. Claims Court Civ. No. 465-83C, cited in Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.581 1944 * Metropolitan Life Insurance Company report finds 42 cases of asbestosis among 195 asbestos miners. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.654 1951 * Asbestos companies remove all references to cancer before allowing publication of research they sponsor. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.71 1952 * Dr. Kenneth Smith, Johns-Manville medical director, recommends (unsuccessfully) that warning labels be attached to products containing asbestos. Later Smith testifies: "It was a business decision as far as I could understand . . . the corporation is in business to provide jobs for people and make money for stockholders and they had to take into consideration the effects of everything they did and if the application of a caution label identifying a product as hazardous would cut into sales, there would be serious financial implications." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.666 1953 * National Gypsum's safety director writes to the Indiana Division of Industrial Hygiene, recommending that acoustic plaster mixers wear respirators "because of the asbestos used in the product." Another company official notes that the letter is "full of dynamite," urges that it be retrieved before reaching its destination. A memo in the files notes that the company "succeeded in stopping" the letter, which "will be modified." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.669-70 1964 * Dr. Irving Selikoff publishes a study of asbestos workers in the Journal of the American Medical Association, proving that people who work with asbestos-containing materials have an abnormal incidence of asbestosis, lung cancer, and mesothelioma. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.126 1966 * Raybestos-Manhattan official writes: "We feel that the recent unfavorable publicity over the use of asbestos fibers in many different kinds of industries has been a gross exaggeration of the problems. There is no data available to either prove or disprove the dangers of working closely with asbestos." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.590 1971 * First OSHA asbestos-exposure standard issued. Federal Register, vol.36, p.10466 et. seq.; May 29, 1971 1973 * The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) bans spray-on asbestos insulation as an air pollution hazard. Federal Register, vol.38, p.8820 et. seq.; April 6, 1973 1977 * Lawyers for injured workers obtain the Sumner Simpson papers, which show that the companies had suppressed information about the danger of asbestos for at least 40 years. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.111 * The first bill to limit the product liability of asbestos companies is introduced in Congress. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.194 1978 * Judge rules there had been "a conscious effort by the [asbestos] industry in the 1930s to downplay or arguably suppress, the dissemination of information to employees and the public for fear of the promotion of lawsuits." Amended order, Barnett v. Owens-Corning Fiberglas Corp et al, State of South Carolina, County of Greenville, Court of Common Pleas, Aug. 23, 1978, cited in Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.585 1979 * U.S. EPA announces intention to issue rule that bans all uses of asbestos. Federal Register, vol 44, p.60061 (Rulemaking completed after 10 years, in 1989) 1982 * Johns-Manville files for bankruptcy protection. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.249 1986 * OSHA tightens asbestos-exposure standard. Federal Register vol. 51, p.22733, June 20, 1986 * U.S. EPA publishes text of proposed rule to ban all uses of asbestos. Environmental Defense Newsletter, XVII:2 May 1986 1989 * The U.S. EPA bans asbestos in most of its major uses, but . . . Federal Register, vol.59, p.41027, August 10, 1994 1991 * Asbestos companies win federal lawsuit, court revokes EPA's 1989 asbestos ban. Federal Register, vol.59, p.41027, August 10, 1994 1994 * OSHA tightens asbestos-exposure standard. Federal Register, vol. 59, p.40964 et. seq., August 10, 1994 1999 * Florida Supreme Court rules that Owens Corning willfully withheld information about the danger of working with the company's asbestos products: "It would be difficult to envision a more egregious set of circumstances . . . . a blatant disregard for human safety involving large numbers of people put at life-threatening risk." Opinion No. 92,963, August 26, 1999 Very large excerpts of Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects by Barry I. Castleman (4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996) are available on the internet. > > > Please post where I have said that her stuff worked. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Like this big lie from Mark S Probert Do try to stay on etopic. The fact that her Hulda's Henchmen could not prove her sh.t worked is well documented. In fact, they agreed that they could not prove her sh.t worked. So? You have not proved that you are not genetically inferior. On Oct 25, 1:18 am, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote: > On Oct 23, 9:47 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Like this big lie from Mark S Probert Do try to stay on etopic. The fact that her Hulda's Henchmen could not prove her sh.t worked is well documented. In fact, they agreed that they could not prove her sh.t worked. > So? You have not proved that you are not genetically inferior. I see that you are trying to best Jan Drew in the quantum leaping of stupid. "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:0b26cd27-f8b9-4dcb-b894-095d1a7c9f7a@q14g2000vbi.googlegroups.com... > On Oct 25, 1:18 am, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > > So? You have not proved that you are not genetically inferior. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > > > Please post where I claimed that you said that. Which Marla cannot do. > > > > What you failed to understand is that her Henchmen, when it came time > > > > to prove her stuff worked, could not, even though they had unfettered [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > Like this big lie from Mark S Probert Which he deleted. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f06b48baa0e38b71 Jul 27, 2004 Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative From: "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-July 23, 2004" <M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t 07-23...@lymbercartel.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:35:11 GMT Local: Fri, Jul 23 2004 10:35 am Subject: Re: Asbestos Deaths Up > >www.BreastImplantAwareness.org > >Another longtime cover up: Jan wrote: > Hulda Clark has been warning people of mold and abestos for > years,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,while other were busy calling her a quack. People were correctly calling her a quack for many reasons, none being asbestos related. The simple fact is that there is no cover-up regarding asbestos. In the 1980's, under AHERA, schools nationwide removed tons of it. Construction companies were forced to perform abatement before renovations or demolition. There is no doubt that there are very sick people with asbestosis and mesothelioma who were exposed to asbestos. I meet several of them every month and can usually find some documentation of their possible exposure so they can recevie WC benefits. Backj in the 1950's and 1960's, there was no idea that asbestos exposure could be so dangerous. During WWII boat builders at the Navy Yards were routinely exposed to it, brought the dust home, and exposed their families. No one knew. When I was in elementary school, I received a kit from a group in Canada, where asbestos was mined, called "Asbestos-The Magic Mineral." I brought it to school for a science project. No one knew. Once the dangers became known, precautions were put in place, and, eventually, abatement was begun. There is far less asbestos in our environment to day, and HULDA CLARK HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! Anyone claiming that there was a cover-up is an liar. ------------------------------------------- The EPA Comes Clean on Asbestos EPA warning on asbestos is under attack Lawyers target materials detailing dangers in brakes The federal government’s 17- year effort to warn backyard and professional mechanics of the dangers of cancer-causing as- bestos in brakes is under attack. The deadly truth about asbestos A brief chronology of what the owners and managers of asbestos companies knew, and when they knew it. 1890s * Asbestos, which previously had few industrial uses, becomes a raw material for large manufacturing industries, exposing large numbers of workers to asbestos dust for the first time. Asbestos-caused disease often develops decades after a person was first exposed. As a result, it was not until the early 1900s that large numbers of workers developed symptoms. David Kotelchuck, "Asbestos: ‘The Funeral Dress of Kings' - and Others" in Dying for Work: Workers' Safety and Health in Twentieth-Century America, ed. by David Rosner and Gerald Markowitz, Indiana University Press, Bloomington, IN 1987, p193 1918 * A Prudential Insurance Company official notes that life insurance companies will not cover asbestos workers, because of the "health-injurious conditions of the industry." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.5-6 1930 * Major asbestos company Johns-Manville produces report, for internal company use only, about medical reports of asbestos worker fatalities. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.663 1932 * Letter from U.S. Bureau of Mines to asbestos manufacturer Eagle-Picher states: "It is now known that asbestos dust is one of the most dangerous dusts to which man is exposed." Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.327 1933 * Metropolitan Life Insurance Co. doctors find that 29 percent of workers in a Johns-Manville plant have asbestosis. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.26 * Johns-Manville officials settle lawsuits by 11 employees with asbestosis on the condition that the employees' lawyer agree to never again "directly or indirectly participate in the bringing of new actions against the Corporation." Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.114 1934 * Officials of two large asbestos companies, Johns-Manville and Raybestos-Manhattan, edit an article about the diseases of asbestos workers written by a Metropolitan Life Insurance Company doctor. The changes minimize the danger of asbestos dust. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.114-15 1935 * Officials of Johns-Manville and Raybestos-Manhattan instruct the editor of Asbestos magazine to publish nothing about asbestosis. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.116 1936 * A group of asbestos companies agrees to sponsor research on the health effects of asbestos dust, but require that the companies maintain complete control over the disclosure of the results. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.587 1942 * Internal Owens-Corning corporate memo refer to "medical literature on asbestosis . . . . scores of publications in which the lung and skin hazards of asbestos are discussed." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.195 1942 or 1943 * The president of Johns-Manville says that the managers of another asbestos company were "a bunch of fools for notifying employees who had asbestosis." When one of the managers asks, "do you mean to tell me you would let them work until they dropped dead?" The response is reported to have been, "Yes. We save a lot of money that way." Testimony of Charles H. Roemer, Deposition taken April 25, 1984, Johns-Manville Corp., et al v. the United States of America, U.S. Claims Court Civ. No. 465-83C, cited in Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.581 1944 * Metropolitan Life Insurance Company report finds 42 cases of asbestosis among 195 asbestos miners. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.654 1951 * Asbestos companies remove all references to cancer before allowing publication of research they sponsor. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.71 1952 * Dr. Kenneth Smith, Johns-Manville medical director, recommends (unsuccessfully) that warning labels be attached to products containing asbestos. Later Smith testifies: "It was a business decision as far as I could understand . . . the corporation is in business to provide jobs for people and make money for stockholders and they had to take into consideration the effects of everything they did and if the application of a caution label identifying a product as hazardous would cut into sales, there would be serious financial implications." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.666 1953 * National Gypsum's safety director writes to the Indiana Division of Industrial Hygiene, recommending that acoustic plaster mixers wear respirators "because of the asbestos used in the product." Another company official notes that the letter is "full of dynamite," urges that it be retrieved before reaching its destination. A memo in the files notes that the company "succeeded in stopping" the letter, which "will be modified." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.669-70 1964 * Dr. Irving Selikoff publishes a study of asbestos workers in the Journal of the American Medical Association, proving that people who work with asbestos-containing materials have an abnormal incidence of asbestosis, lung cancer, and mesothelioma. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.126 1966 * Raybestos-Manhattan official writes: "We feel that the recent unfavorable publicity over the use of asbestos fibers in many different kinds of industries has been a gross exaggeration of the problems. There is no data available to either prove or disprove the dangers of working closely with asbestos." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.590 1971 * First OSHA asbestos-exposure standard issued. Federal Register, vol.36, p.10466 et. seq.; May 29, 1971 1973 * The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) bans spray-on asbestos insulation as an air pollution hazard. Federal Register, vol.38, p.8820 et. seq.; April 6, 1973 1977 * Lawyers for injured workers obtain the Sumner Simpson papers, which show that the companies had suppressed information about the danger of asbestos for at least 40 years. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.111 * The first bill to limit the product liability of asbestos companies is introduced in Congress. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.194 1978 * Judge rules there had been "a conscious effort by the [asbestos] industry in the 1930s to downplay or arguably suppress, the dissemination of information to employees and the public for fear of the promotion of lawsuits." Amended order, Barnett v. Owens-Corning Fiberglas Corp et al, State of South Carolina, County of Greenville, Court of Common Pleas, Aug. 23, 1978, cited in Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.585 1979 * U.S. EPA announces intention to issue rule that bans all uses of asbestos. Federal Register, vol 44, p.60061 (Rulemaking completed after 10 years, in 1989) 1982 * Johns-Manville files for bankruptcy protection. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.249 1986 * OSHA tightens asbestos-exposure standard. Federal Register vol. 51, p.22733, June 20, 1986 * U.S. EPA publishes text of proposed rule to ban all uses of asbestos. Environmental Defense Newsletter, XVII:2 May 1986 1989 * The U.S. EPA bans asbestos in most of its major uses, but . . . Federal Register, vol.59, p.41027, August 10, 1994 1991 * Asbestos companies win federal lawsuit, court revokes EPA's 1989 asbestos ban. Federal Register, vol.59, p.41027, August 10, 1994 1994 * OSHA tightens asbestos-exposure standard. Federal Register, vol. 59, p.40964 et. seq., August 10, 1994 1999 * Florida Supreme Court rules that Owens Corning willfully withheld information about the danger of working with the company's asbestos products: "It would be difficult to envision a more egregious set of circumstances . . . . a blatant disregard for human safety involving large numbers of people put at life-threatening risk." Opinion No. 92,963, August 26, 1999 Very large excerpts of Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects by Barry I. Castleman (4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996) are available on the internet. > > > So? You have not proved that you are not genetically inferior. > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Which he deleted. It is off topic, a diversion, and I deleted it. The topic of this thread is Hulda Quack died of cancer. > > > > So? You have not proved that you are not genetically inferior. > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > > Which he deleted, and will not address his big lie. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f06b48baa0e38b71 Jul 27, 2004 Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative From: "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-July 23, 2004" <M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t 07-23...@lymbercartel.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:35:11 GMT Local: Fri, Jul 23 2004 10:35 am Subject: Re: Asbestos Deaths Up > >www.BreastImplantAwareness.org > >Another longtime cover up: Jan wrote: > Hulda Clark has been warning people of mold and abestos for > years,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,while other were busy calling her a quack. People were correctly calling her a quack for many reasons, none being asbestos related. The simple fact is that there is no cover-up regarding asbestos. In the 1980's, under AHERA, schools nationwide removed tons of it. Construction companies were forced to perform abatement before renovations or demolition. There is no doubt that there are very sick people with asbestosis and mesothelioma who were exposed to asbestos. I meet several of them every month and can usually find some documentation of their possible exposure so they can recevie WC benefits. Backj in the 1950's and 1960's, there was no idea that asbestos exposure could be so dangerous. During WWII boat builders at the Navy Yards were routinely exposed to it, brought the dust home, and exposed their families. No one knew. When I was in elementary school, I received a kit from a group in Canada, where asbestos was mined, called "Asbestos-The Magic Mineral." I brought it to school for a science project. No one knew. Once the dangers became known, precautions were put in place, and, eventually, abatement was begun. There is far less asbestos in our environment to day, and HULDA CLARK HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! Anyone claiming that there was a cover-up is an liar. ------------------------------------------- The EPA Comes Clean on Asbestos EPA warning on asbestos is under attack Lawyers target materials detailing dangers in brakes The federal government’s 17- year effort to warn backyard and professional mechanics of the dangers of cancer-causing as- bestos in brakes is under attack. The deadly truth about asbestos A brief chronology of what the owners and managers of asbestos companies knew, and when they knew it. 1890s * Asbestos, which previously had few industrial uses, becomes a raw material for large manufacturing industries, exposing large numbers of workers to asbestos dust for the first time. Asbestos-caused disease often develops decades after a person was first exposed. As a result, it was not until the early 1900s that large numbers of workers developed symptoms. David Kotelchuck, "Asbestos: ‘The Funeral Dress of Kings' - and Others" in Dying for Work: Workers' Safety and Health in Twentieth-Century America, ed. by David Rosner and Gerald Markowitz, Indiana University Press, Bloomington, IN 1987, p193 1918 * A Prudential Insurance Company official notes that life insurance companies will not cover asbestos workers, because of the "health-injurious conditions of the industry." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.5-6 1930 * Major asbestos company Johns-Manville produces report, for internal company use only, about medical reports of asbestos worker fatalities. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.663 1932 * Letter from U.S. Bureau of Mines to asbestos manufacturer Eagle-Picher states: "It is now known that asbestos dust is one of the most dangerous dusts to which man is exposed." Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.327 1933 * Metropolitan Life Insurance Co. doctors find that 29 percent of workers in a Johns-Manville plant have asbestosis. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.26 * Johns-Manville officials settle lawsuits by 11 employees with asbestosis on the condition that the employees' lawyer agree to never again "directly or indirectly participate in the bringing of new actions against the Corporation." Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.114 1934 * Officials of two large asbestos companies, Johns-Manville and Raybestos-Manhattan, edit an article about the diseases of asbestos workers written by a Metropolitan Life Insurance Company doctor. The changes minimize the danger of asbestos dust. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.114-15 1935 * Officials of Johns-Manville and Raybestos-Manhattan instruct the editor of Asbestos magazine to publish nothing about asbestosis. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.116 1936 * A group of asbestos companies agrees to sponsor research on the health effects of asbestos dust, but require that the companies maintain complete control over the disclosure of the results. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.587 1942 * Internal Owens-Corning corporate memo refer to "medical literature on asbestosis . . . . scores of publications in which the lung and skin hazards of asbestos are discussed." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.195 1942 or 1943 * The president of Johns-Manville says that the managers of another asbestos company were "a bunch of fools for notifying employees who had asbestosis." When one of the managers asks, "do you mean to tell me you would let them work until they dropped dead?" The response is reported to have been, "Yes. We save a lot of money that way." Testimony of Charles H. Roemer, Deposition taken April 25, 1984, Johns-Manville Corp., et al v. the United States of America, U.S. Claims Court Civ. No. 465-83C, cited in Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.581 1944 * Metropolitan Life Insurance Company report finds 42 cases of asbestosis among 195 asbestos miners. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.654 1951 * Asbestos companies remove all references to cancer before allowing publication of research they sponsor. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.71 1952 * Dr. Kenneth Smith, Johns-Manville medical director, recommends (unsuccessfully) that warning labels be attached to products containing asbestos. Later Smith testifies: "It was a business decision as far as I could understand . . . the corporation is in business to provide jobs for people and make money for stockholders and they had to take into consideration the effects of everything they did and if the application of a caution label identifying a product as hazardous would cut into sales, there would be serious financial implications." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.666 1953 * National Gypsum's safety director writes to the Indiana Division of Industrial Hygiene, recommending that acoustic plaster mixers wear respirators "because of the asbestos used in the product." Another company official notes that the letter is "full of dynamite," urges that it be retrieved before reaching its destination. A memo in the files notes that the company "succeeded in stopping" the letter, which "will be modified." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.669-70 1964 * Dr. Irving Selikoff publishes a study of asbestos workers in the Journal of the American Medical Association, proving that people who work with asbestos-containing materials have an abnormal incidence of asbestosis, lung cancer, and mesothelioma. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.126 1966 * Raybestos-Manhattan official writes: "We feel that the recent unfavorable publicity over the use of asbestos fibers in many different kinds of industries has been a gross exaggeration of the problems. There is no data available to either prove or disprove the dangers of working closely with asbestos." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.590 1971 * First OSHA asbestos-exposure standard issued. Federal Register, vol.36, p.10466 et. seq.; May 29, 1971 1973 * The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) bans spray-on asbestos insulation as an air pollution hazard. Federal Register, vol.38, p.8820 et. seq.; April 6, 1973 1977 * Lawyers for injured workers obtain the Sumner Simpson papers, which show that the companies had suppressed information about the danger of asbestos for at least 40 years. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.111 * The first bill to limit the product liability of asbestos companies is introduced in Congress. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.194 1978 * Judge rules there had been "a conscious effort by the [asbestos] industry in the 1930s to downplay or arguably suppress, the dissemination of information to employees and the public for fear of the promotion of lawsuits." Amended order, Barnett v. Owens-Corning Fiberglas Corp et al, State of South Carolina, County of Greenville, Court of Common Pleas, Aug. 23, 1978, cited in Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.585 1979 * U.S. EPA announces intention to issue rule that bans all uses of asbestos. Federal Register, vol 44, p.60061 (Rulemaking completed after 10 years, in 1989) 1982 * Johns-Manville files for bankruptcy protection. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.249 1986 * OSHA tightens asbestos-exposure standard. Federal Register vol. 51, p.22733, June 20, 1986 * U.S. EPA publishes text of proposed rule to ban all uses of asbestos. Environmental Defense Newsletter, XVII:2 May 1986 1989 * The U.S. EPA bans asbestos in most of its major uses, but . . . Federal Register, vol.59, p.41027, August 10, 1994 1991 * Asbestos companies win federal lawsuit, court revokes EPA's 1989 asbestos ban. Federal Register, vol.59, p.41027, August 10, 1994 1994 * OSHA tightens asbestos-exposure standard. Federal Register, vol. 59, p.40964 et. seq., August 10, 1994 1999 * Florida Supreme Court rules that Owens Corning willfully withheld information about the danger of working with the company's asbestos products: "It would be difficult to envision a more egregious set of circumstances . . . . a blatant disregard for human safety involving large numbers of people put at life-threatening risk." Opinion No. 92,963, August 26, 1999 Very large excerpts of Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects by Barry I. Castleman (4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996) are available on the internet. > > > > > So? You have not proved that you are not genetically inferior. > [quoted text clipped - 392 lines] > 1996) are > available on the internet. > > > > �So? You have not proved that you are not genetically inferior. > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > The topic of this thread is Millions of Health Freedom fighters - Newsletter I have two new articles on the www.bolenreport.com website you will find interesting… The first - “Will Suzanne Somers New Book on Alternative Cancer Therapies Start the Cancer Revolt?...” says “Watch Larry King tonight. He's interviewing Suzanne Somers about her new book "Knockout," which talks about REAL treatments, ones that actually work, for cancer. 9:00PM EST The longest running war conducted by the United States is not the war in Iraq, nor the war in .Afghanistan. It is the "War on Cancer" started, with great fanfare, in 1972, thirty-seven years ago, by President Richard Nixon. It is a complete failure. The enemy, cancer, continues to gain ground. In truth, the only people who benefit from this war are those in the huge, for profit, cancer industry - certainly not cancer victims or their families. The accepted therapies, those claimed to be "proven," are, in actuality, worthless. The statistics generated, even though the industry massages them, clearly show that 97.9% people who go the chemotherapy therapy route are dead five years later. That's correct - chemotherapy only has a 2.1% success rate over five years. Put in a 2.5% "margin of error" and you've got a big fat zero. More, the government apparatus we've created to help with this war is no more than a huge "welfare for scientists" program with absolutely nothing to show for their thirty-seven years of existence except higher percentages of cancer deaths. The second – “Quackbusters Sue Each Other - All is Not Well in Scumville ... says “On November 3rd, of the year 2000, quackbusters Stephen Barrett, Terry Polevoy, and Christopher Grell sued me, Tim Bolen, along with a whole host of people, claiming that world famous author and health humanitarian Hulda Regehr Clark PhD had hired me, Tim Bolen, to defame them - and that several others had conspired with Clark and myself to accomplish that. After 8 and 1/2 years of no action to prove the case the judge threw it out, Dismissing it out of hand. You can read the entire article, the one that went around the world like wildfire, detailing Barrett, Polevoy, and Grell's huge humiliation, by clicking here.. The case wracked up huge legal bills for the Plaintiffs who also had to pay for the attorney fees for one of the Defendants, Ilena Rosenthal. And, those bills came to over $500,000 US. And, they are not yet paid. More, Ilena's attorneys are getting very aggressive about the collection. As well they should. Last month, in Ontario, Canada Ilena's attorneys won a judgment against Plaintiff Terry Polevoy for $311,000 US plus three years back interest - totaling over $350,000 US. They want payment, from Polevoy, right this minute. And Polevoy is screeching like a cornered rat... He is blaming Grell and Barrett for his problems. He could be right - or not. I'll let you read his lawsuit in a minute. Tim Bolen > I have two new articles on thewww.bolenreport.comwebsite you will > find interesting… Bullshit removed. >I have two new articles on the www.bolenreport.com website you will >find interesting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >"Knockout," which talks about REAL treatments, ones that actually >work, for cancer. 9:00PM EST Unlike the UNREAL treatments, ones that DO NOT actually work. You know, those ones advanced by Tim's late client, Hulda Clark. It didn't take Tim long to find another trough, did it? <snip remaining Timdrool> SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > > > > Please post where I have said that her stuff worked. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > access to her decades of "research." They could not meet even a simple > > > burden of proof. Just post your proof. Please post where I claimed that you said that. > > > In absence of proof that something "works" it is fair to accept that > > > it does not. > > > Like this big lie from Mark S Probert > > Do try to stay on etopic. Whatever *etopic* is. You created the topic when you posted: In absence of proof that something "works" it is fair to accept that it does not. Like this big lie from Mark Probert. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f06b48baa0e38b71 Jul 27, 2004 Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative From: "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-July 23, 2004" <M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t 07-23...@lymbercartel.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:35:11 GMT Local: Fri, Jul 23 2004 10:35 am Subject: Re: Asbestos Deaths Up ****[note that lie @lymbercartel.com]*** > >www.BreastImplantAwareness.org > >Another longtime cover up: Jan wrote: > Hulda Clark has been warning people of mold and abestos for > years,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,while other were busy calling her a quack. People were correctly calling her a quack for many reasons, none being asbestos related. The simple fact is that there is no cover-up regarding asbestos. In the 1980's, under AHERA, schools nationwide removed tons of it. Construction companies were forced to perform abatement before renovations or demolition. There is no doubt that there are very sick people with asbestosis and mesothelioma who were exposed to asbestos. I meet several of them every month and can usually find some documentation of their possible exposure so they can recevie WC benefits. Backj in the 1950's and 1960's, there was no idea that asbestos exposure could be so dangerous. During WWII boat builders at the Navy Yards were routinely exposed to it, brought the dust home, and exposed their families. No one knew. When I was in elementary school, I received a kit from a group in Canada, where asbestos was mined, called "Asbestos-The Magic Mineral." I brought it to school for a science project. No one knew. Once the dangers became known, precautions were put in place, and, eventually, abatement was begun. There is far less asbestos in our environment to day, and HULDA CLARK HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! Anyone claiming that there was a cover-up is an liar. ------------------------------------------- The EPA Comes Clean on Asbestos EPA warning on asbestos is under attack Lawyers target materials detailing dangers in brakes The federal government’s 17- year effort to warn backyard and professional mechanics of the dangers of cancer-causing as- bestos in brakes is under attack. The deadly truth about asbestos A brief chronology of what the owners and managers of asbestos companies knew, and when they knew it. 1890s * Asbestos, which previously had few industrial uses, becomes a raw material for large manufacturing industries, exposing large numbers of workers to asbestos dust for the first time. Asbestos-caused disease often develops decades after a person was first exposed. As a result, it was not until the early 1900s that large numbers of workers developed symptoms. David Kotelchuck, "Asbestos: ‘The Funeral Dress of Kings' - and Others" in Dying for Work: Workers' Safety and Health in Twentieth-Century America, ed. by David Rosner and Gerald Markowitz, Indiana University Press, Bloomington, IN 1987, p193 1918 * A Prudential Insurance Company official notes that life insurance companies will not cover asbestos workers, because of the "health-injurious conditions of the industry." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.5-6 1930 * Major asbestos company Johns-Manville produces report, for internal company use only, about medical reports of asbestos worker fatalities. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.663 1932 * Letter from U.S. Bureau of Mines to asbestos manufacturer Eagle-Picher states: "It is now known that asbestos dust is one of the most dangerous dusts to which man is exposed." Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.327 1933 * Metropolitan Life Insurance Co. doctors find that 29 percent of workers in a Johns-Manville plant have asbestosis. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.26 * Johns-Manville officials settle lawsuits by 11 employees with asbestosis on the condition that the employees' lawyer agree to never again "directly or indirectly participate in the bringing of new actions against the Corporation." Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.114 1934 * Officials of two large asbestos companies, Johns-Manville and Raybestos-Manhattan, edit an article about the diseases of asbestos workers written by a Metropolitan Life Insurance Company doctor. The changes minimize the danger of asbestos dust. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.114-15 1935 * Officials of Johns-Manville and Raybestos-Manhattan instruct the editor of Asbestos magazine to publish nothing about asbestosis. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.116 1936 * A group of asbestos companies agrees to sponsor research on the health effects of asbestos dust, but require that the companies maintain complete control over the disclosure of the results. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.587 1942 * Internal Owens-Corning corporate memo refer to "medical literature on asbestosis . . . . scores of publications in which the lung and skin hazards of asbestos are discussed." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.195 1942 or 1943 * The president of Johns-Manville says that the managers of another asbestos company were "a bunch of fools for notifying employees who had asbestosis." When one of the managers asks, "do you mean to tell me you would let them work until they dropped dead?" The response is reported to have been, "Yes. We save a lot of money that way." Testimony of Charles H. Roemer, Deposition taken April 25, 1984, Johns-Manville Corp., et al v. the United States of America, U.S. Claims Court Civ. No. 465-83C, cited in Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.581 1944 * Metropolitan Life Insurance Company report finds 42 cases of asbestosis among 195 asbestos miners. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.654 1951 * Asbestos companies remove all references to cancer before allowing publication of research they sponsor. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.71 1952 * Dr. Kenneth Smith, Johns-Manville medical director, recommends (unsuccessfully) that warning labels be attached to products containing asbestos. Later Smith testifies: "It was a business decision as far as I could understand . . . the corporation is in business to provide jobs for people and make money for stockholders and they had to take into consideration the effects of everything they did and if the application of a caution label identifying a product as hazardous would cut into sales, there would be serious financial implications." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.666 1953 * National Gypsum's safety director writes to the Indiana Division of Industrial Hygiene, recommending that acoustic plaster mixers wear respirators "because of the asbestos used in the product." Another company official notes that the letter is "full of dynamite," urges that it be retrieved before reaching its destination. A memo in the files notes that the company "succeeded in stopping" the letter, which "will be modified." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.669-70 1964 * Dr. Irving Selikoff publishes a study of asbestos workers in the Journal of the American Medical Association, proving that people who work with asbestos-containing materials have an abnormal incidence of asbestosis, lung cancer, and mesothelioma. Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.126 1966 * Raybestos-Manhattan official writes: "We feel that the recent unfavorable publicity over the use of asbestos fibers in many different kinds of industries has been a gross exaggeration of the problems. There is no data available to either prove or disprove the dangers of working closely with asbestos." Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.590 1971 * First OSHA asbestos-exposure standard issued. Federal Register, vol.36, p.10466 et. seq.; May 29, 1971 1973 * The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) bans spray-on asbestos insulation as an air pollution hazard. Federal Register, vol.38, p.8820 et. seq.; April 6, 1973 1977 * Lawyers for injured workers obtain the Sumner Simpson papers, which show that the companies had suppressed information about the danger of asbestos for at least 40 years. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.111 * The first bill to limit the product liability of asbestos companies is introduced in Congress. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.194 1978 * Judge rules there had been "a conscious effort by the [asbestos] industry in the 1930s to downplay or arguably suppress, the dissemination of information to employees and the public for fear of the promotion of lawsuits." Amended order, Barnett v. Owens-Corning Fiberglas Corp et al, State of South Carolina, County of Greenville, Court of Common Pleas, Aug. 23, 1978, cited in Barry I. Castleman, Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects, 4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996, p.585 1979 * U.S. EPA announces intention to issue rule that bans all uses of asbestos. Federal Register, vol 44, p.60061 (Rulemaking completed after 10 years, in 1989) 1982 * Johns-Manville files for bankruptcy protection. Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial, Pantheon Books, New York NY, 1985, p.249 1986 * OSHA tightens asbestos-exposure standard. Federal Register vol. 51, p.22733, June 20, 1986 * U.S. EPA publishes text of proposed rule to ban all uses of asbestos. Environmental Defense Newsletter, XVII:2 May 1986 1989 * The U.S. EPA bans asbestos in most of its major uses, but . . . Federal Register, vol.59, p.41027, August 10, 1994 1991 * Asbestos companies win federal lawsuit, court revokes EPA's 1989 asbestos ban. Federal Register, vol.59, p.41027, August 10, 1994 1994 * OSHA tightens asbestos-exposure standard. Federal Register, vol. 59, p.40964 et. seq., August 10, 1994 1999 * Florida Supreme Court rules that Owens Corning willfully withheld information about the danger of working with the company's asbestos products: "It would be difficult to envision a more egregious set of circumstances . . . . a blatant disregard for human safety involving large numbers of people put at life-threatening risk." Opinion No. 92,963, August 26, 1999 Very large excerpts of Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects by Barry I. Castleman (4th edition, Aspen Law and Business, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 1996) are available on the internet. . > > > > > Please post where I have said that her stuff worked. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Just post your proof. I have posted the URLs for the FTC stipulation, that means agreement, signed by her Henchmen, who agreed that they could not prove her claims. OK, the people that you call her "Henchmen" could not explain or show that HER thing worked. While it may be a stretch, SHE might have been able to do so. As to why she did not, I guess that answer went with her. Perhaps you can find a medium or a Voodoo Priestess to help you with that part. On Oct 26, 1:48 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote: > On Oct 25, 9:24 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Just post your proof. I have posted the URLs for the FTC stipulation, that means agreement, signed by her Henchmen, who agreed that they could not prove her claims. > OK, the people that you call her "Henchmen" could not explain or show that > HER thing worked. Slowly but surely, you are heading toward a clue. While it may be a stretch, SHE might have been able to do > so. Her Henchmen had free access to all of her research. Why did they not use it? The only logical answers are 1) there is no research and/or 2) her "research" proves nothing. One way or another, she was a quack. As to why she did not, I guess that answer went with her. Perhaps you > can find a medium or a Voodoo Priestess to help you with that part. Just use common sense and logic. Try it for the first time. "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:a9cda191-551b-48a2-b18f-0ecd72212c26@z29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... > On Oct 26, 1:48 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > - Show quoted text - On Oct 26, 10:05 pm, "t" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote: > OK, the people that you call her "Henchmen" could not explain or show that > HER thing worked. Slowly but surely, you are heading toward a clue. While it may be a stretch, SHE might have been able to do > so. Her Henchmen had free access to all of her research. Why did they not use it? The only logical answers are 1) there is no research and/or 2) her "research" proves nothing. One way or another, she was a quack. As to why she did not, I guess that answer went with her. Perhaps you > can find a medium or a Voodoo Priestess to help you with that part. Just use common sense and logic. Try it for the first time. Who were these "henchmen? What is their history? Where did they work and doing what before becomeing her "henchmen"? Just trying to get to the truth here. Not making sense to my, or the established norm, is not reason enough to reject things. Seems to me some of the wasted mony spent on "medical research" might be worth the investment.> > > > > > Please post where I have said that her stuff worked. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Just post your proof. Been there, done that. Look it up. It is on the FTC website. > Please post where I claimed that you said that. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Whatever *etopic* is. It is a typo, stupid. I have told you this before, but, since you are incapable of learning, you keep being ignorant. > You created the topic when you posted: > > In absence of proof that something "works" it is fair to accept that > it does not. Correct. There is no evidence that Hulda's crap worked. Thus, it is fair to accept that it did not work. If it did work, she would not be decomposing. > Do try to stay on etopic. The fact that her Hulda's Henchmen could not > prove her sh.t worked is well documented. In fact, they agreed that > they could not prove her sh.t worked. Actually, the official excuse for why Hulda couldn't be cured by her own methods is that nobody but Hulda could ever make them work. Remember, I'm taking her family's word for this now. So, ACCORDING TO HULDA CLARK'S FAMILY: if there was ever anything that Hulda Clark could do to cure disease, she took the secret to her grave. | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | | chance that someone will see the light. | +- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+ Mark Probert Is far from fair. As in Marla. > > �Please post where I have said that her stuff worked. > > Please post where I claimed that you said that. Mark cannot answer. He lies. Then, goes off on another rant > Mark Probert > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Then, goes off on another rant Once again, the Queer of Snipping changes meaning beyond all recognition. > > �Mark Probert > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > Then, goes off on another rant > > > Scan it and post it. Please provide proof that it is the real thing and not > > >something you made up in photoshop. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Never, ever. Why not? Oncologists die of cancer. Cardiologists die of heart attack. There is virtually no disease that practitioners don't die of right along with their patients. I know, it's Okay when your sponsors do it. >> > > Scan it and post it. Please provide proof that it is the real thing and not >> > >something you made up in photoshop. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >right along with their patients. I know, it's Okay when your sponsors >do it. Petey, none of those wrote books with titles such as "The cure for all cancer" and "The cure for advanced cancer" and "The cure for all disease"'. That's the crucial difference. > On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:35:29 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > cancer" and "The cure for advanced cancer" and "The cure for all > disease"'. That's the crucial difference. You mean you don't believe in freedom of speech when it threatens the interests of your sponsors. I'm shocked. Though I may not agree with Clark's premise or theories about cancer, the real difference is that chemo is marketed as an "approved" treatment to thousands of cancer patients for whom it is *proven not* to be an effective treatment. If Clark was a fraud, she was still not as big a fraud as that. >> <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >You mean you don't believe in freedom of speech when it threatens the >interests of your sponsors. I'm shocked. Trying to chance the subject Petey? Fact getting to ugly? Look Petey, I'm perfectly ok with free speech and with people writing a book with the title 'The cure for all cancers' (I wouldn't know about any sponsors, because unlike you, I don't have any). All I'm pointing out is that there is a problem when someone who claims to have the cure for all cancers (and to have trained many people in that method) dies of cancer. > Though I may not agree with Clark's premise or theories about cancer, the real difference is that >chemo is marketed as an "approved" treatment to thousands of cancer >patients for whom it is *proven not* to be an effective treatment. Please point out where and by who chemo is being tauted is the cure for all cancer. Untill you do that, I say you're full of it (and yourself of course). > If Clark was a fraud, she was still not as big a fraud as that. > On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:17:51 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Trying to chance the subject Petey? No, I'm pointing out that Clark, if she was a fraud, could not be the degree of fraud represented by chemo in the treatment of most cancers, as her ideas were never "approved." > Fact getting to ugly? Look Petey, > I'm perfectly ok with free speech and with people writing a book [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > for all cancers (and to have trained many people in that method) > dies of cancer. First, you don't know how she died. Second, a book titled "The cure for all cancers" does not logically translate into "the cure for every patient." You're a dumbass. Tell your sponsors you're over paid. > > Though I may not agree with Clark's premise or theories about cancer, the real difference is that > >chemo is marketed as an "approved" treatment to thousands of cancer [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > for all cancer. Untill you do that, I say you're full of it (and > yourself of course). The trust generated in patients using an "approved" treatment that is proven to fail conveys much greater harm because those patients won't typically question it. Your whine about overt claims is meaningless. > > If Clark was a fraud, she was still not as big a fraud as that. >First, you don't know how she died. She died of anemia and hypercalcemia, the effects of multiple myeloma. Put another way, she died of cancer. > Second, a book titled "The cure >for all cancers" does not logically translate into "the cure for every >patient." You haven't read the book, have you? SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > >First, you don't know how she died. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You haven't read the book, have you? Meaning you yourself have not read it or you would provide a direct quote from the book to prove your point. Well? >> >First, you don't know how she died. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Meaning you yourself have not read it or you would provide a direct >quote from the book to prove your point. Well? "For many years we have all believed that cancer is different from other diseases. We believed that cancer behaves like a fire, in that you can't stop it once it has started. Therefore, you have to cut it out or radiate it to death or chemically destroy every cancerous cell in the body since it can never become normal again. NOTHING COULD BE MORE WRONG! And we have believed that cancers of different types such as leukemia or breast cancer have different causes. Wrong again! In this book you will see that all cancers are alike. They are all caused by a parasite. A single parasite! It is the human intestinal fluke. And if you kill this intestinal parasite, the cancer stops immediately. The tissue becomes normal again. In order to get cancer, you must have this parasite. How can the human intestinal fluke cause cancer? This intestinal parasite typically lives in the intestine where it might do little harm, causing only colitis or irritable bowel syndrome, or perhaps nothing at all. But if it invades a different organ, like the uterus or kidneys or liver, it does a great deal of harm. If it establishes itself in the liver, it causes cancer! It only establishes itself in the liver in some people. These people have propyl alcohol in their bodies. All cancer patients (100%) have both propyl alcohol and the intestinal fluke in their livers. The solvent propyl alcohol is responsible for letting the fluke establish itself in the liver. In order to get cancer, you must have both the parasite and propyl alcohol in your body". SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > >> >First, you don't know how she died. > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > itself in the liver. In order to get cancer, you must have both the > parasite and propyl alcohol in your body". Your reply to me was in response to my comment that a book titled "The cure for all cancers" does not logically translate into "the cure for every patient." The excerpt here describes her theories but does not address my point. The statement "...IF you kill this intestinal parasite, the cancer stops immediately" is conditional. Though I disagree with Clark's ideas, there is no claim here that every patient under her care experienced a cure. >> >> >First, you don't know how she died. >> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >disagree with Clark's ideas, there is no claim here that every patient >under her care experienced a cure. The title "The cure for all cancers" is NOT conditional, you blathering idiot. Oh, and do read the rest of her book(s). She also claims she can kill the parasite in every and all cases with her zapper. So there's no if - get the zapper treatment = get rid of the parasites = get cured of cancer. Of course, IF you don't get the zapper treatment, you will not get cured. That's the only if there is. But I'm afraid you won't get it anyway. I mean, you're the one who claims that if someone can cure all cancers, it does not mean she can not cure all patients. > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:47:01 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > claims that if someone can cure all cancers, it does not mean she > can not cure all patients. Note the double negative at the end of your screed, moron. This is common among pharmnuts who, lacking an argument, undo their own vacuous claims. >> <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] >common among pharmnuts who, lacking an argument, undo their own >vacuous claims. My bad. Should have read: "I mean, you're the one who claims that if someone can cure all cancers, it does not mean she can cure all patients with cancer" > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:31:08 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > "I mean, you're the one who claims that if someone can cure all > cancers, it does not mean she can cure all patients with cancer" According to WHO scientists, the cure for almost all human disease is adequate nutrition. That does not mean every illness resulting from poor nutrition is reversible in every patient. Clark did not refer to All PATIENTS but to All Cancers, i.e., all FORMS of the disease. This would be apparent to anyone with a functioning brain (which of course excludes you.) >> <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:47:01 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] >According to WHO scientists, the cure for almost all human disease is >adequate nutrition. Hulda Clark does not agree with you. So either the WHO or Hulda is wrong. Which one is it Petey? (for the sake of argument, let's not get into the discussion wether you read what the WHO said correctly or not, or that they even said that at all) > That does not mean every illness resulting from poor nutrition is reversible in every patient. Indeed it does not, if the claim is that 'almost' all disease can be cured by adequate nutrition. Hulda OTOH, claimed to have the cure for ALL disease, no exceptions. > Clark did not refer to All PATIENTS but to All Cancers, i.e., all FORMS of the disease. So you still claim that curing the disease is not the same as curing the patient? Petey, Hulda not only claimed to be able to cure all cancers, even with the patient at death's door, she claimed to be able to cure all disease. Not just treat, but cure it. Period. That means she could cure all patients, since curing the disease means curing the patient. Or do you think that, say, shooting an AIDS patient cures the disease because it will stop the virus from doing what it does? (just curious how insane you are) >This would be apparent to anyone with a functioning brain (which of >course excludes you.) Petey, whatever turned your brain into the non-functional mush that it is, I hope it's not contagious. > >> My bad. Should have read: > >> "I mean, you're the one who claims that if someone can cure all [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > get into the discussion wether you read what the WHO said > correctly or not, or that they even said that at all) Unlike you, marty, all my discussions here on mha have been previously cited. As for what Clark believed, that isn't what you've been whining about. I note you still have not produced a single quote in which she claims to have cured every patient she treated. For good reason: she never said it. > > That does not mean every illness resulting from poor nutrition is reversible in every patient. > > Indeed it does not, if the claim is that 'almost' all disease can be > cured by adequate nutrition. Hulda OTOH, claimed to have the > cure for ALL disease, no exceptions. So produce the quote in which she claimed to have cured every patient she treated, or admit you can't. >>First, you don't know how she died. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >You haven't read the book, have you? If Petey's mental contortions could translate to actual physical ones, he'd be the absolute star of the Cirque du Soleil. <....> > > > > Scan it and post it. Please provide proof that it is the real thing and not > > > >something you made up in photoshop. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > attack. There is virtually no disease that practitioners don't die of > right along with their patients. Once again, your lack of logic is striking. I know, it's Okay when your sponsors > do it. Screw you. > > > > > Scan it and post it. Please provide proof that it is the real thing and not > > > > >something you made up in photoshop. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Screw you. More proof Mark S Probert Merrick NY. Disbarred lawyer lied when he posted he read Torah everyday. >> > > > > Scan it and post it. Please provide proof that it is the real thing and not >> > > > >something you made up in photoshop. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >More proof Mark S Probert Merrick NY. Disbarred lawyer lied when he >posted he read Torah everyday. Jesus read the Torah, but I'm sure that as a carpenter he screwed things regularly. Have you ever read the Torah, Jan? It's a very interesting collection of books. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > but I'm sure Newflash. Nobody on the earth can be sure of anything. As--in--you will be alive in the next second. A pity you have not learned that. > > but I'm sure > >Newflash. Nobody on the earth can be sure of anything. As--in--you >will be alive in the next second. > >A pity you have not learned that. You really shouldn't announce your pride in your inability to understand idiomatic English, Jan. It makes you look like a fool. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > > > > > > Scan it and post it. Please provide proof that it is the real thing and not > > > > > >something you made up in photoshop. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > More proof Mark S Probert Merrick NY. Disbarred lawyer lied when he > posted he read Torah everyday.- Tikkun Olam Learn what it is, and how it applies to human refuse like you >> Scan it and post it. Please provide proof that it is the real thing and >> not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > will come up with that she didn't really die of cancer, or that she > could cure cancer, make that 'all diseases' anyway? It might convince me that some people here are not full of crap. Please do note that I have not said her stuff worked or not. I do not know. I do seek unbiased information, which some here are opposed to. Like Orac nosenuttin > Like Orac nosenuttin Even assuming he knows nothing, that is still much smarter than you. You see, you project DUMB. > > �Like Orac nosenuttin > > Even assuming he knows nothing, that is still much smarter than you. > You see, you project DUMB. Keep proving the fact you lied when you posted you read Torah everyday. http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter1-6b.html G-d's Justice System When we judge others, we are setting our own personal justice system. If I am constantly finding fault and criticizing others, I send a message to G-d. Shortcomings should be noticed and highlighted; there's no room for mercy and tolerance. And G-d allows us to fashion the very justice system with which He views us. If we see only the bad in others, we bring upon ourselves the very judgment we, in our minds, visit upon others daily. http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/shiur.asp?id=338 In the next portion of the midrash, the sages teach that it is fitting for people to speak in clean, appropriate language:" The words of Hashem are pure'...In the Torah, God chose to write eight extra words in order to avoid using terminology which was not 100% 'clean. In the Book of Bereishit, for instance, Noach is told to choose for the ark from among 'the pure cattle and from the cattle that is not pure...' [- instead of referring to the latter group using the Hebrew term for ritually impure beasts, "Tameh." ] In disqualifying the rabbit as a pure animal, the Torah does not say that the impurity derives from the fact that the rabbit does not have split hooves, [though this is true] but rather that the rabbit is impure because it [only] chews its cud. (Vaykira 11)" The clear message of the midrash: when unpleasant things are uttered, they must be expressed in the cleanest, most honorable manner possible. When we talk about being careful about speech, we're talking about two different issues. What to say, and how to say it. First of all, it is important not to say things that need not be said. When something is in need of being said, it should be expressed using clean, appropriate language. I've mentioned on several occasions that Rav Tzvi Yehuda Kook (of blessed memory) was very cautious with his words, always carefully weighing what he had to say before he said it. He would never say things in the negative, but would always couch his ideas in positive terms. ----------------------------------------------------- You would do well to read that many times each day. > > > Like Orac nosenuttin > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > ----------------------------------------------------- > You would do well to read that many times each day. You would do well to learn that I post the way I do as I am a soldier for Tikkun Olam. >> Scan it and post it. Please provide proof that it is the real thing and not >>something you made up in photoshop. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >will come up with that she didn't really die of cancer, or that she >could cure cancer, make that 'all diseases' anyway? When it comes to people that already have abandoned critical thinking process and subscribed to theories of conspiracy,they will never accept any certificate, because a conspiracy believing idiot will not accept anything from "the man or any reputable source" as authoritative. >>> Hulda Clark died of cancer on September 3, 2009 at her son's house in >>> California. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >>> have suffered enough. Her pain is gone, but her victims' pain >>> continues forever. SignatureBob Officer Posting the truth http://www.skeptics.com.au > On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:29:14 +0200, in misc.health.alternative, > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > - Show quoted text - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=know+it+all (#2 & #3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy >>> Scan it and post it. Please provide proof that it is the real thing and >>> not [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > accept anything from "the man or any reputable source" as > authoritative. Question Authority. Or one can just be a sheep. Free choice and all that. > She had multiple melanoma with hypercalcemia and anemia. s/melanoma/myeloma/ It's a bone cancer -- the one that killed Sam Walton. Formerly one of the "you're gonna die, suckah!" types, things have gotten dramatically better since Walton left a honking endowment for research. Oddly enough, one of the more important drugs for it is ... thalidomide. It's a strange world. I know someone who was diagnosed with multiple myeloma a year and a half ago. If he weren't the sort to ignore problems until they get impossible to overlook, he'd have been diagnosed quite a bit earlier. As it is, he's in remission. Clark is dead, apparently (from the family statements) after the cancer ate a good bit of her spine. Joe's alive. Hulda is dead. What was that about going with what works? | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | | chance that someone will see the light. | +- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+ > In message > <e9b4cf90-60eb-4dab-997c-0e881bcc03b5@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, T [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Joe's alive. Hulda is dead. What was that about > going with what works? lol >> In message >> <e9b4cf90-60eb-4dab-997c-0e881bcc03b5@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, T [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > lol While I'm pleased that Joe's alive, and far from devastated that Hulda's dead, I think laughing about her is at best in bad taste, John. | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | | chance that someone will see the light. | +- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+ > In message <e9b4cf90-60eb-4dab-997c-0e881bcc0...@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, T Polevoy wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Joe's alive. Hulda is dead. What was that about > going with what works? My friend Rich is the same a Joe. Friend??? You expect anyone to believe that you have a friend? Oh! That guy in the other stall! I understand now. On Oct 24, 11:47 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote: > In message > <e9b4cf90-60eb-4dab-997c-0e881bcc0...@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, T [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Joe's alive. Hulda is dead. What was that about > going with what works? My friend Rich is the same a Joe. > Friend??? You expect anyone to believe that you have a friend? Oh! That guy > in the other stall! I understand now. I doadmire you. Anyone who can jump up and down on a couch and post to Usenet at the same time has a talent that I do not have. Could you get a video of it posted to YouBOOB, where the other BOOBS are. "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:753f1dd1-3bd2-4686-90cd-7bc77f044782@b18g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... > On Oct 24, 11:47 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Ah! getting worked up about titties now eh? On Oct 25, 8:56 pm, "t" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote: > Friend??? You expect anyone to believe that you have a friend? Oh! That > guy > in the other stall! I understand now. I doadmire you. Anyone who can jump up and down on a couch and post to Usenet at the same time has a talent that I do not have. Could you get a video of it posted to YouBOOB, where the other BOOBS are. "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:753f1dd1-3bd2-4686-90cd-7bc77f044782@b18g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Ah! getting worked up about titties now eh? Yellowstreak, what are you yapping about? Do you know? No one else does. "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:240b9a43-c13b-497c-a038-4dc64ced7179@m1g2000vbi.googlegroups.com... > On Oct 25, 8:56 pm, "t" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > > �Friend??? You expect anyone to believe that you have a friend? Oh! That guy > > in the other stall! I understand now. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Could you get a video of it posted to YouBOOB, where the other BOOBS > are. Poor Mark. He posted a youtube himself. Of course there is no such thing as youBOOB. Wonder if Sandy knows he is obsessed with boobs? > > > Friend??? You expect anyone to believe that you have a friend? Oh! That guy > > > in the other stall! I understand now. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Wonder if Sandy knows he is obsessed with boobs? Leave my family out of this. I do not bring your family into the newsgroup. Do not do that to mine. If you do it again, my rule may change, and you will not like the results. As for my obsessions with boobs, you, PeterB, etc. are boobs. The term as I used it was not gender specific. You would be a boob regardless of your gender. I bet that more people like "Boobs" than like Mark. > Wonder if Sandy knows he is obsessed with boobs? I am not obsessed with you. That is for sure. Leave my family out of Usenet. On Oct 26, 12:53 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote: > Wonder if Sandy knows he is obsessed with boobs? I am not obsessed with you. That is for sure. Leave my family out of Usenet. Too late Booby. Mark do you wonder why young girls avoid you? > On Oct 26, 12:53 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Too late Booby. > Mark do you wonder why young girls avoid you? You are a sick bastard. Tikkun Olam You DO tend to bring that out in people. On Nov 3, 7:29 am, "t" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote: > "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Too late Booby. > Mark do you wonder why young girls avoid you? You are a sick bastard. Tikkun Olam > > "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > You are a sick bastard. Do prove that. Do not post about his mother. I doubt you knew her. You made a claim, now, prove it, > Tikkun Olam > > > "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Do prove that. Do not post about his mother. > I doubt you knew her. You made a claim, now, prove it, His posts usuaally mention some form of sexually deviate behavior. That makes him a sick bastard. > > Wonder if Sandy knows he is obsessed with boobs? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Leave my family out of Usenet. You forgot you posted your kids pictures on Usenet. As well as faked a private email to me pretenting it was from your wife Sandra. Don't even think about telling me what to do Mark S Probert Merrick NY disbarred lawyer Who remained silent when disbarred and then repeatedly lied about it. http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/propagandistprobert.html Now watch for more titles like *abuse form the usual suspect* > > > Wonder if Sandy knows he is obsessed with boobs? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You forgot you posted your kids pictures on Usenet. No, stupid, I posted a link to one of my son's pictures at his camp. I post about my family. That does not give you trhe right to do so. > As well as faked a private email to me pretenting it was from your > wife . That is a lie. That email was to Ilena who had no business in contacting my wife. How would you respond if I emailed someone from your family? Your bigoted hatred of me is evident. > Don't even think about telling me what to do Mark S Probert Why not? You do it all the time. > Now watch for more titles like *abuse form the usual suspect* Nah, I have a new one. >> In message <e9b4cf90-60eb-4dab-997c-0e881bcc0...@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, T Polevoy wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >My friend Rich is the same a Joe. As is my friend Virginia. Five years out from diagnosis, nothing but treatment and monitoring by real doctors. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com Ratballs, we know that you have no friends. >>> In message >>> <e9b4cf90-60eb-4dab-997c-0e881bcc0...@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, T [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > As is my friend Virginia. Five years out from diagnosis, nothing but > treatment and monitoring by real doctors. > Ratballs, we know that you have no friends. You must be a sad little man, sitting in a windowless shack, projecting your misery onto others. > >> In message <e9b4cf90-60eb-4dab-997c-0e881bcc0...@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, T Polevoy wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > As is my friend Virginia. Five years out from diagnosis, nothing but > treatment and monitoring by real doctors. LOL!!! All the *gang* have made up friends. > -- > Peter Bowditch >> >> In message <e9b4cf90-60eb-4dab-997c-0e881bcc0...@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, T Polevoy wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >LOL!!! All the *gang* have made up friends. I must tell her that. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > > >> In message <e9b4cf90-60eb-4dab-997c-0e881bcc0...@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, T Polevoy wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > LOL!!! All the *gang* have made up friends. Assuming you are correct, which you are not, made up friends are better than having no friends at all...like you. Oh Boy! Please get some serious therapy. Your imaginary friends are sign of some heavy problems. Please get help. On Oct 26, 1:56 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote: > On Oct 25, 11:04 pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > LOL!!! All the *gang* have made up friends. Assuming you are correct, which you are not, made up friends are better than having no friends at all...like you. > > In message <e9b4cf90-60eb-4dab-997c-0e881bcc0...@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, T Polevoy wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > My friend Rich is the same a Joe. Another anecdote from the hypocrite. These friends are most convenient. *Anecdotes are not facts. They are, at best interesting stories. At worst, outright lies.* Mark Probert Jan To color the truth is to lie. To NOT identify a liar is to lie. Habitual liars are damned by God. > > > In message <e9b4cf90-60eb-4dab-997c-0e881bcc0...@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, T Polevoy wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Another anecdote from the hypocrite. These friends are most > convenient. Actually, Rich is not convenient. He lives in Chicago. > *Anecdotes are not facts. They are, at best interesting stories. At > worst, outright lies.* Mark Probert When used to prove a scientific principal, that is absolutely correct. > > > In message <e9b4cf90-60eb-4dab-997c-0e881bcc0...@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, T Polevoy wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Another anecdote from the hypocrite. These friends are most > convenient. I have lead a full life, and have lots of friends. I am active in several organizations and have contact with lots of people. Unlike you, I do not live in a cave. > *Anecdotes are not facts. They are, at best interesting stories. At > worst, outright lies.* Mark Probert [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - Show quoted text - On Oct 26, 12:38 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote: > On Oct 25, 8:09 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Another anecdote from the hypocrite. These friends are most > convenient. I have lead a full life, and have lots of friends. I am active in several organizations and have contact with lots of people. Bwahahahaha!!!!, Why do the children in your neghborhood always walk on the other side of the street when they come near your house? Contact with other sickos ? Active in organizations that are pro euginics? Unlike you, I do not live in a cave. So, how IS living in a broken old van working out for you? > *Anecdotes are not facts. They are, at best interesting stories. At > worst, outright lies.* Mark Probert [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - Show quoted text - T Polevoy Terry Polevoy is a proven liar. Who still owes IIena. Why has he not paid her? <snip stories about the dead> The gang has no respect for the dead. Now, shut up about the dead. > T Polevoy > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Now, shut up about the dead. Do you promise never to mention Dead Hulda again? Q. What do you have when a cancer quack dies? A. A good start on the problem. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > T Polevoy > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Now, shut up about the dead. Are you referring to Hulda Clark, the charlatan who fleeced people with her "Cure For All Cancers" and died of cancer? It that the dead quack you are referring too? Posted off topic. > Hulda Clark died of cancer on September 3, 2009 at her son's house in > California. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > have suffered enough. Her pain is gone, but her victims' pain > continues forever. If dying of cancer proves fraud, what does that say about oncology? I know, it only works when you are talking about Hulda Clark. >> Hulda Clark died of cancer on September 3, 2009 at her son's house in >> California. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >If dying of cancer proves fraud, what does that say about oncology? Please tell me which oncologist claims he can cure all cancers, no matter how advanced. I'll report him to the medical board for lying to his patients. Oh wait, that was Hulda Clark who claimed she could cure all cancers, no matter what stage! > I know, it only works when you are talking about Hulda Clark. > On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:24:15 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > his patients. Oh wait, that was Hulda Clark who claimed she could cure > all cancers, no matter what stage! FDA "approved" chemotherapy in the treatment of most cancers permits oncologists to hide behind the falsity of unproven claims. But it's actually worse. Chemo has been proven *not* to effectively treat the majority of cancers, and since patients don't tend to question "approved" treatments, they are more vulnerable regardless of what a doctor may claim. > > I know, it only works when you are talking about Hulda Clark. >> <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hulda Clark died of cancer on September 3, 2009 at her son's house in [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >"approved" treatments, they are more vulnerable regardless of what a >doctor may claim. So, nobody oncologist claims he can cure all cancers, or you would have gladly pointed him out. The rest of what you're saying is just hot air. The point is that Hulda claimed to be able to cure all cancers and the fact that she died from cancer proves she could not. Which means that all the people criticizing her were right. Even if all oncologist turn out to be raving mad massmurderers, it doesn't change a thing about the fact that Hulda Clark has now been proven to have been a total fraud. >> > I know, it only works when you are talking about Hulda Clark. > >> Please tell me which oncologist claims he can cure all cancers, > >> no matter how advanced. I'll report him to the medical board for lying to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > cancers and the fact that she died from cancer proves she could > not. A book titled "The cure for all cancers" does not logically translate into "the cure for every patient." Doctors treat patients for illnesses they also die of. While I don't personally subscribe to Clark's theories, your attacks on her are hypocritical. >> >> Please tell me which oncologist claims he can cure all cancers, >> >> no matter how advanced. I'll report him to the medical board for lying to [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >A book titled "The cure for all cancers" does not logically translate >into "the cure for every patient." So you're saying that Hulda might have been able to cure all cancers, but at the same time her patients still died of cancer? Are you making up your own meaning of words again, in this case, the word 'cure'? > Doctors treat patients for illnesses they also die of. While I don't personally subscribe to >Clark's theories, your attacks on her are hypocritical. No, they're not. I already told you that if you point out any oncologist to me who claims he can cure all cancer, no matter what stage, I will attack him just as much. But you can't do that, because such an oncologist does not exist. > On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:48:37 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > you making > up your own meaning of words again, in this case, the word 'cure'? No, idiot, I'm pointing out the stupidity of your argument, which you repeat here. A practitioner may believe that a particular treatment is the best approach for every patient with a particular disease, that doesn't mean they expect every patient to respond. > > Doctors treat patients for illnesses they also die of. While I don't personally subscribe to > >Clark's theories, your attacks on her are hypocritical. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > what stage, I will attack him just as much. But you can't do that, > because such an oncologist does not exist. Again, FDA "approved" chemo in the treatment of most cancers permits oncologists to hide behind the falsity of unproven claims. Since patients don't tend to question "approved" treatments, they are vulnerable regardless of overt claims by personal physicians. Put another way, by the time a cancer patient is prepped for chemo, all the marketing has been accomplished. >> <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >repeat here. A practitioner may believe that a particular treatment >is the best approach for every patient with a particular disease, Hulda did not speak of 'best approach'. She said she could cure all cancer, period. Not some, not offer the best treatment available, no, she claimed she could CURE all, that is ALL, cancer. Not just treat them the best way possible, no, she said she could cure them, any form of cancer, at any stage. >that doesn't mean they expect every patient to respond. So when you claim you can cure ALL cancer, it does not mean every patient responds? The stupid, it burns thermonclear....... Look Petey, if a patient has cancer, and the cancer is cured, the patient is cured. Get it? If the cancer, which is inside and part of the patient, responds, then the patient responds. Get it? >> > Doctors treat patients for illnesses they also die of. While I don't personally subscribe to >> >Clark's theories, your attacks on her are hypocritical. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >another way, by the time a cancer patient is prepped for chemo, all >the marketing has been accomplished. So, you still can not point out any oncologist who claims he can cure all cancer, like Hulda did. > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:40:17 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > them the best way possible, no, she said she could cure them, any form > of cancer, at any stage. So prove it. Quote and cite your source. > >that doesn't mean they expect every patient to respond. > > So when you claim you can cure ALL cancer, it does not mean every > patient responds? You haven't proved the claim was made, have you? > The stupid, it burns thermonclear....... > Look Petey, if a patient has cancer, and the cancer is cured, the > patient is cured. Get it? If the cancer, which is inside and part of > the patient, responds, then the patient responds. Get it? First, marty, you have to base your argument on some sort of demonstrable fact. You forgot that part. > >> > Doctors treat patients for illnesses they also die of. While I don't personally subscribe to > >> >Clark's theories, your attacks on her are hypocritical. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > So, you still can not point out any oncologist who claims he can cure > all cancer, like Hulda did. See above. Prove your claim or admit you're the same little pharmnut today you were yesterday. >> <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:48:37 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >So prove it. Quote and cite your source. Prove it? What???? Are you really that stupid? (yes, I'm afraid you are, and it scares me a bit). Here's the titles of her books: The Cure and Prevention of All Cancers The Cure for All Cancers: Including over 100 Case Histories of Persons Cured by Hulda R. Clark The Cure For All Advanced Cancers Cure for All Diseases (which would include cancer of course) This is from "The Cure For All Advanced Cancers": "Cancer can now be cured, not only the early stages, but also advanced cancer, stages four and five, including imminent death." See, no qualifiers, not in any of the titles. She claimed she could even cure cancer if the patient was facing imminent death. >> >that doesn't mean they expect every patient to respond. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >First, marty, you have to base your argument on some sort of >demonstrable fact. You forgot that part. You mean you can't read booktitles that you can find all over the internet? Or do you want me to provide proof that Hulda Clark really did write the book "The cure for all cancer" (note the total lack of qualifiers - not the cure for most, or many, or some cancer, no, ALL cancer). Do you think that actually, Hulda never wrote those books but shills from Big Pharma did, to make alt med look stupid or something? Do you think at all? >> >> > Doctors treat patients for illnesses they also die of. While I don't personally subscribe to >> >> >Clark's theories, your attacks on her are hypocritical. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >See above. Prove your claim or admit you're the same little pharmnut >today you were yesterday. Done. See above. Now you prove there is an oncologist who claims the same as Hulda. You can't. You're caught with your pants down and you know it. > >> >> Are you making > >> >> up your own meaning of words again, in this case, the word 'cure'? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Here's the titles of her books: > The Cure and Prevention of All Cancers So your argument is purely semantic. Reference to "all cancers" is not a reference to every patient, but to all forms of the disease. You win some, you lose some. Any idiot (except one with a brain as small as yours) would get that. > The Cure for All Cancers: Including over 100 Case Histories of > Persons Cured by Hulda R. Clark > The Cure For All Advanced Cancers > Cure for All Diseases (which would include cancer of course) Same point. If I write a book titled "The Cure for All Heart Disease," I am conveying that every form of the disease is treatable, not that every patient will experience a cure. If you don't grasp the distinction, you need someone to take guardianship over your personal affairs. > This is from "The Cure For All Advanced Cancers": > "Cancer can now be cured, not only the early stages, but also advanced > cancer, stages four and five, including imminent death." Read it slowly, dumbass. She said "CAN now be cured," which in no way asserts certainty of a cure. > See, no qualifiers, not in any of the titles. You obviously need help going to the bathroom. No qualifiers were needed. > She claimed she could > even cure cancer if the patient was facing imminent death. How do you know she didn't? > >> >that doesn't mean they expect every patient to respond. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > shills from Big Pharma did, to make alt med look stupid or something? > Do you think at all? Your semantic argument is almost, not quite, as stupid as you are. > >> >> > Doctors treat patients for illnesses they also die of. While I don't personally subscribe to > >> >> >Clark's theories, your attacks on her are hypocritical. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Now you prove there is an oncologist who claims the same as Hulda. > You can't. You're caught with your pants down and you know it. Apples and oranges, idiot pharmnut. Learn to read. > > >> >> Are you making > > >> >> up your own meaning of words again, in this case, the word 'cure'? [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > How do you know she didn't? She could not cure herself when she had n advanced cancer. > > >> >that doesn't mean they expect every patient to respond. > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Apples and oranges, idiot pharmnut. Learn to read. > > > >> >> Are you making > > > >> >> up your own meaning of words again, in this case, the word 'cure'? [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > She could not cure herself when she had n advanced cancer. WHOOOSH!!! No further comment needed for this one. > > > >> >that doesn't mean they expect every patient to respond. > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > > Apples and oranges, idiot pharmnut. Learn to read. >> >> >> Are you making >> >> >> up your own meaning of words again, in this case, the word 'cure'? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >So your argument is purely semantic. You would know about semantics. You're the one who claims that if someone says she can cure all disease, it does not mean she can cure all patients. It's not stupid, it's certifiable insanity. > Reference to "all cancers" is >not a reference to every patient, but to all forms of the disease. >You win some, you lose some. But you can not lose them to cancer, because you can cure all cancer. Hulda could cure all cancer, so it would have been impossible for her to die of cancer. She did. Therefor, she could not cure all cancer, which makes her claims bullshit. Period. > Any idiot (except one with a brain as small as yours) would get that. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >distinction, you need someone to take guardianship over your personal >affairs. No Petey, I don't grasp that if you claim that you can cure all heart disease some of your patients will die of heartdisease anyway. I can only suspect that you have a definition of the word 'cure' and/ore the word 'all' hitherto unknown to the world. >> This is from "The Cure For All Advanced Cancers": >> "Cancer can now be cured, not only the early stages, but also advanced >> cancer, stages four and five, including imminent death." > >Read it slowly, dumbass. She said "CAN now be cured," which in no >way asserts certainty of a cure. WHAT??? Ok, now I'm certain you're yanking my chain. Nobody, not even you, can be this stupid. Can't be. Oh god, I really hope nobody can be that stupid. Please, let some faith in humanity remain for me. >> See, no qualifiers, not in any of the titles. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >How do you know she didn't? Because she died herself, of cancer. If she could do what she claimed, that would not have happened. >> >> >that doesn't mean they expect every patient to respond. >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Your semantic argument is almost, not quite, as stupid as you are. In the name of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, please tell me you're kidding. >> >> >> > Doctors treat patients for illnesses they also die of. While I don't personally subscribe to >> >> >> >Clark's theories, your attacks on her are hypocritical. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Apples and oranges, idiot pharmnut. Learn to read. Hey, it was you who started the comparison. I guess that makes you an idiot pharmnut who can't read. Not even your own writing apparently. >>> >> >> Are you making >>> >> >> up your own meaning of words again, in this case, the word 'cure'? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >someone says she can cure all disease, it does not mean she can cure >all patients. It's not stupid, it's certifiable insanity. Actually he is twisting logic which can be shown with a "set" diagram. Big circle label all cancers inside the big circle a small label "all patients'. He claims semantics but is attempting to create a tautology. Claims of curing all diseases is likewise an all inclusive claim in which the subset of all patients is in the set of all diseases. >> Reference to "all cancers" is >>not a reference to every patient, but to all forms of the disease. [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] >Hey, it was you who started the comparison. I guess that makes you an >idiot pharmnut who can't read. Not even your own writing apparently. Peaty is rather dense. he twist words to fit his specific needs. even which he breaks rules of logic and math. SignatureBob Officer Posting the truth http://www.skeptics.com.au > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:22:26 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > if someone says she can cure all disease, it does not mean she > can cure all patients. It's not stupid, it's certifiable insanity. I note you could not cite a single quote in which Clark claimed to have cured everyone she ever treated. For good reason: She never said it. > > Reference to "all cancers" is > >not a reference to every patient, but to all forms of the disease. > >You win some, you lose some. > > But you can not lose them to cancer, because you can cure all > cancer. If Clark's book had been titled "The Cure for Everyone with Cancer," you would have a point. Since it wasn't, you don't. > Hulda could cure all cancer, so it would have been impossible for > her to die of cancer. She did. Therefor, she could not cure all > cancer, which makes her claims bullshit. Period. If she had actually made that claim, which you have not demonstrated using a book title. > > Any idiot (except one with a brain as small as yours) would get that. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > No Petey, I don't grasp that if you claim that you can cure all heart > disease some of your patients will die of heart disease anyway. There are no guarantees with any medical intervention. And based on what you've produced so far, Clark never offered one. > I can only suspect that you have a definition of the word 'cure' > and/ore the word 'all' hitherto unknown to the world. What is the cure for all scurvy? it's vitamin C. But no medical library in the world says every individual properly treated for scurvy will be cured. There are no guarantees in life even when the cure is known. > >> This is from "The Cure For All Advanced Cancers": > >> "Cancer can now be cured, not only the early stages, but also [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > nobody can be that stupid. Please, let some faith in humanity > remain for me. IOW, you cannot produce a quote in which Clark claims she cured every patient treated by her. Which makes you an idiot, a liar, or both. >> <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >have cured everyone she ever treated. For good reason: She never >said it. IT'S IN THE BLOODY TITLE OF THE BOOK!! >> > Reference to "all cancers" is >> >not a reference to every patient, but to all forms of the disease. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >If Clark's book had been titled "The Cure for Everyone with Cancer," >you would have a point. Since it wasn't, you don't. OH MFG, you really think that if you cure the cancer, heck, if you cure all disease, you do not automatically cure the patient. You really are this stupid.... I have to take a stiff drink to get over this shock. This is like having looked into the actual pit of doom. >> Hulda could cure all cancer, so it would have been impossible for >> her to die of cancer. She did. Therefor, she could not cure all [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >IOW, you cannot produce a quote in which Clark claims she cured every >patient treated by her. Which makes you an idiot, a liar, or both. >>> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:22:26 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original >>> [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] >> IOW, you cannot produce a quote in which Clark claims she cured every >> patient treated by her. Which makes you an idiot, a liar, or both. So, do you feel better after you took that "stiff" dick? >The first - Will Suzanne Somers New Book on Alternative Cancer >Therapies Start the Cancer Revolt?... says Watch Larry King >tonight. He's interviewing Suzanne Somers about her new book >"Knockout," which talks about REAL treatments, ones that actually >work, for cancer. 9:00PM EST Hello Tim, I see from your newsletter and web site that you now believe that Suzanne Somers has revealed "REAL treatments, ones that actually work, for cancer". Does this mean that you have finally woken up to the fact that your best friend Hulda Clark didn't really have "The Cure For All Cancers" or does it mean that you are just opportunistically jumping on the next bandwagon to come along? Still, seven weeks was long enough to grieve over Hulda's death before moving on, and with her gone you need another trough to feed at. I have a couple more questions for you while I have the emailer out. Was it difficult getting approval from the authorities for the release of toxic waste so that the charred remains of the dead Hulda could be dumped into the ocean? How is your lawsuit against Google, Webring and Wikipedia going? It's coming up to two years now (708 days, actually) since you told me that I was to be engulfed in the legal tsunami involving these organisations and the quackbuster conspiracy. The head of the RatbagsDotCom legal support team at Farr, Gough and Dye has been nagging me about this because she needs to work on budgeting and staffing for next year. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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