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Entire population NYC & LA: Nos dead...

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Toby Joe - 28 Mar 2004 10:21 GMT
The combined populations of New York City and of Los Angeles:

some 11 and a half million people:

That is the number who have died from HIV/AIDS in Sub-Saharan Africa since
the beginning of the pandemic.

One in every four of those deaths was a child.

That number is more than 80% of all AIDS deaths worldwide.

At least half of all infected adults are women aged 15-49;

In some countries more than 25% of pregnant women are infected.

At least 95% of all AIDS orphans have been African.

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~neils/africa/HIV_AIDS.htm

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You spend 3-4 Billion $$$$$$$$$$$$ each month maintaining a war which began
in search of non-existent wmds.  Yet here we have one WMD eliminating the
populations of several nations, and you ask, "But where is the money?"
http://costofwar.com/

Rich.@. - 28 Mar 2004 17:03 GMT
>The combined populations of New York City and of Los Angeles:
>
>some 11 and a half million people:
<snip>

What on earth does this have to do with alternative health??

Do you have an alternative to current treatment for AIDS?? Maybe you
think colonics would help??  

Take this to an HIV or political activism group.

Or better yet, instead of just posting, take some real action. If you
really care about this tragedy you would be doing more than
complaining about the inactivity of others.  

Cue Toby to call me a bigot.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance
DEBBEE1023 - 28 Mar 2004 17:13 GMT
<<
Do you have an alternative to current treatment for AIDS?? Maybe you
think colonics would help??   >>

Actually many AIDS patients are finding relief with Vitamin C, and other
nutritional IV's.  That's common knowledge, Rich...

<<
Take this to an HIV or political activism group. >>

Take your narrow mindedness to an appropriate newsgroup.  

Why hasn't  conventional medicine stepped up to the plate and discovered a real
cure?  If I were you, Rich, and with all of those people dead....I'd be damn
ashamed of their lack of concern.....

<< Or better yet, instead of just posting, take some real action. If you
really care about this tragedy you would be doing more than
complaining about the inactivity of others.  >>

Why don't you take some real action, and do some of which you want Toby to do?

<< Cue Toby to call me a bigot. >>

Why don't you call yourself this?

   

"If you're gonna walk on thin ice, you may as well dance." (Jessie Winchester).
Hawki63 - 28 Mar 2004 18:23 GMT
>Subject: Re: Entire population NYC & LA: Nos dead...
>From: debbee1023@aol.comnojunk  (DEBBEE1023)
>Date: 3/28/2004 8:13 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040328111313.05123.00000227@mb-m05.aol.com>

>Actually many AIDS patients are finding relief with Vitamin C, and other
>nutritional IV's.  That's common

"relief" ...of what??  does the viral load go down..or disappear??

hawki.....
Anth - 29 Mar 2004 09:18 GMT
http://www.coconut-connections.com/hivandaids.htm
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/07/267714.shtml
Anth

> >Subject: Re: Entire population NYC & LA: Nos dead...
> >From: debbee1023@aol.comnojunk  (DEBBEE1023)
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> hawki.....
Hawki63 - 29 Mar 2004 17:27 GMT
>Subject: Re: Entire population NYC & LA: Nos dead...
>From: "Anth" sickofspam@sickofspam.com
>Date: 3/29/2004 12:18 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <4067e9b5$1$65076$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>

hmmmm...interesting...but does the coconut oil raise the lipids??  trading
viral load for CAD would not be a great trade..

also I noticed that one of the "ancedotes" concerned an infant who
seroconverted supposedly after some coconut oil...the literature confirms that
some infants DO seroconvert spontaneously by age 1...regardless...so can't let
the coconut oil take the credit ...as I have never read that any of the other
infants who have seroconverted were given coconut oil

wonder if the virus can mutate to defeat the coconut oil??

hawki.....
Anth - 29 Mar 2004 18:20 GMT
Well I don't worry at all about cholesterol etc - a good diet will keep it
low.
On these anecdotes, (might be pubmed I read) people who were taking good
diet with coconut oils lowered their viral loads to non existant, others
were higher. It was conjected that their hamburger diet was to blame.
I think proline lysine and vitamin c will lower cholesterol.
Anth

> >Subject: Re: Entire population NYC & LA: Nos dead...
> >From: "Anth" sickofspam@sickofspam.com
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> hawki.....
Rich.@. - 29 Mar 2004 23:30 GMT
>Well I don't worry at all about cholesterol etc - a good diet will keep it
>low.

Yeah and a good diet to lower cholesterol includes NOT consuming
coconut oil.

Aloha,

Rich
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The best defense to logic is ignorance
Anth - 30 Mar 2004 01:05 GMT
But a good diet will not lower HIV viral load.
Anth

> >Well I don't worry at all about cholesterol etc - a good diet will keep it
> >low.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> The best defense to logic is ignorance
Rich.@. - 30 Mar 2004 06:59 GMT
>But a good diet will not lower HIV viral load.

Are you sure about this?? You just suggested that coconut oil might
lower HIV viral load. Maybe others dietary changes will lower HIV
viral load.

Btw, I thought you were going to explain polynomial trendline in your
own words since you thought it so funny that someone never heard of
it. I guess I missed your explanation. Cue Anth to give a lame reason
why he is not explaining it in his own words.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance
Anth - 30 Mar 2004 15:31 GMT
I didn't suggest coconut lowered viral load, it has been proven via clinical
trials.
As for the other argument, stick a dummy in your mouth.
Anth

> >But a good diet will not lower HIV viral load.
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> The best defense to logic is ignorance
Anth - 30 Mar 2004 15:36 GMT
This guy is unreal - he constantly tries to be-little people, and he likes
to think he's some kind of new age Sollog..
I know what a trendline is and how to fit a polynomial to data, you
evidently don't.
Anth

> >But a good diet will not lower HIV viral load.
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> The best defense to logic is ignorance
Anth - 29 Mar 2004 18:29 GMT
If you think about stuff like Lorenzo's oil and CAD, there was a lot of
speculation that the oils would cause CAD
Do you think natives who eat coconuts suffer from CAD - In the Philippines
where they eat a lot of coconuts, I think the CAD is pretty low?

Some links
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=9316363

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=8908837


Anth
My thoughts :-
I would trade CAD for an undetectable zero viral load.
At least I could attempt to treat the CAD with diet/vitamin C/lysine.

> >Subject: Re: Entire population NYC & LA: Nos dead...
> >From: "Anth" sickofspam@sickofspam.com
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> hawki.....
Hawki63 - 30 Mar 2004 01:47 GMT
>Subject: Re: Entire population NYC & LA: Nos dead...
>From: "Anth" sickofspam@sickofspam.com
>Date: 3/29/2004 9:29 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <40685d09$0$65064$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>

>Anth
>My thoughts :-
>I would trade CAD for an undetectable zero viral load.
>At least I could attempt to treat the CAD with diet/vitamin C/lysine.

unfortunately undetectable does not mean the virus is not latent.....in
fact..other than a few infants...I know of no cases where there was a "cure" of
the virus

Magic Johnson...for instance...is viral load undectable...he does not consider
himself cured...nor should he....unless we have much longer years of data

and coconut oil is about the worst for lipids...

it is impossible sometimes to figure out one population has less CAD than
others..diet,,exercise..lifestyle..weight..stress..family history etc....

undoubtedly "our" western diet plus lifestyle is about as bad as it gets

hawki.....
Anth - 30 Mar 2004 15:32 GMT
If there's populations that eat coconuts as part of their staple diet, and
their incidence of CAD is lower, then it's not the coconuts!
Anth

> >Subject: Re: Entire population NYC & LA: Nos dead...
> >From: "Anth" sickofspam@sickofspam.com
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> hawki.....
Kim - 31 Mar 2004 04:16 GMT
> wonder if the virus can mutate to defeat the coconut oil??
======================
Since viruses are still with us after millions of years I would imagine
they've mutated to defeat all herbs and other things mankind has tried to
defeat them (other than vaccines).  Viruses are true survivors and may end
up the last things alive on this earth some day.
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Kim
Colonics to clean out your stuffed up @$$
Of all the toxic goodies you do not pass
Globs of gunk and the mucus you store
Parasites, flukes and worms galore
So take a colonic so you can pass
All these nasties from your paracitized @$$.....
The most amazing BS artists there are:
http://members.rogers.com/kirkkolas/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html
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David Wright - 31 Mar 2004 05:25 GMT
>> wonder if the virus can mutate to defeat the coconut oil??
>======================
>Since viruses are still with us after millions of years I would imagine
>they've mutated to defeat all herbs and other things mankind has tried to
>defeat them (other than vaccines).  Viruses are true survivors and may end
>up the last things alive on this earth some day.

It's debatable that viruses are really alive -- they can't reproduce
without hijacking the mechanism of a living cell.  So if we go, they
go.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
      "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
          were standing on my shoulders."  (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Kim - 01 Apr 2004 02:17 GMT
"David Wright" <wright@clam.prodigy.net> wrote in message news:VKrac.2091>
> It's debatable that viruses are really alive -- they can't reproduce
> without hijacking the mechanism of a living cell.  So if we go, they
> go.
=============================
Aren't some of them capable to surviving "outside" the body until conditions
are right for them to "wake up" and start their life processes again - or am
I thinking of bacteria, another survivor?
-
Kim
Colonics to clean out your stuffed up @$$
Of all the toxic goodies you do not pass
Globs of gunk and the mucus you store
Parasites, flukes and worms galore
So take a colonic so you can pass
All these nasties from your paracitized @$$.....
The most amazing BS artists there are:
http://members.rogers.com/kirkkolas/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
David Wright - 01 Apr 2004 04:19 GMT
>"David Wright" <wright@clam.prodigy.net> wrote in message news:VKrac.2091>
>> It's debatable that viruses are really alive -- they can't reproduce
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>are right for them to "wake up" and start their life processes again - or am
>I thinking of bacteria, another survivor?

No, viruses do survive outside the body -- that's how colds and flu
spread, for example.  But they can't *do* anything unless they get
into the body.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
      "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
          were standing on my shoulders."  (Hal Abelson, MIT)
David Wright - 29 Mar 2004 05:29 GMT
><<
>Do you have an alternative to current treatment for AIDS?? Maybe you
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>discovered a real cure?  If I were you, Rich, and with all of those
>people dead....I'd be damn ashamed of their lack of concern.....

Gotta love that one, another keeper from Debbee the moron.  The fact
that there is no cure for AIDS equates, in her tiny mind, to a lack
of trying or concern.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
      "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
          were standing on my shoulders."  (Hal Abelson, MIT)
This Alias Brought to YOU by EOM - 29 Mar 2004 17:26 GMT
>><<
>>Do you have an alternative to current treatment for AIDS?? Maybe you
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>that there is no cure for AIDS equates, in her tiny mind, to a lack
>of trying or concern.

What is also interesting is how she feels it would be a very good idea to pump
water up people's butts until such a cure exists.  Sad, that.

>  -- David Wright :
Anth - 29 Mar 2004 09:17 GMT
> Do you have an alternative to current treatment for AIDS?? Maybe you
> think colonics would help??

I think coconut oils looks interesting.
Anth
Kim - 31 Mar 2004 04:13 GMT
> Cue Toby to call me a bigot.
>
> Aloha,
>
> Rich
=====================
Cue Jan to call you a lying, atheistic Jewboy....   :-(
Signature

Kim
Colonics to clean out your stuffed up @$$
Of all the toxic goodies you do not pass
Globs of gunk and the mucus you store
Parasites, flukes and worms galore
So take a colonic so you can pass
All these nasties from your paracitized @$$.....
The most amazing BS artists there are:
http://members.rogers.com/kirkkolas/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

LadyLollipop - 11 May 2005 04:30 GMT
"LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:UTbge.69317$r53.15663@attbi_s21...

"George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:D82ge.534$LO1.314@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... "askMe"
<askMe@askblax.com> wrote: Thanks for the information and the link!  Seems
to me that if milk naturally contains things hard to digest, it causes the
body to work harder, burn fat...

I will have to read up on this rBGH, too.

http://www.askblax.com

Cow's milk may create much mucus in the human body.   Mucus allows germs to
remain the human body - creating possible health problems like ear
infections; strep throts; asthma/lung congestion; etc.

There is no evidence whatsoever that milk or other dairy products influence
the production of mucus. And mucus is a vital component of the immune
system, helping to PREVENT infections.

--Rich

http://www.milksucks.com/mucus.html

Got Allergies and Mucus?

If your kids suffer from chronic runny noses and sore throats, it might be
time to dump the dairy. According to the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma
and Immunology, cow's milk is the number one-cause of food allergies in
children. According to the former director of pediatrics at Johns Hopkins
University, Dr. Frank Oski, there is evidence to indicate that up to half of
U.S. children have some allergic reaction to milk. For these kids (and for
adults who are allergic to dairy foods), milk is a mucus maker and can lead
to persistent problems such as chronic coughs and sinus infections, asthma,
and ear infections.

More and more physicians and dietitians realize that removing dairy products
from the diet can be the solution to many childhood illnesses such as runny
noses, constipation, colic, ear infections, and gas-and the list goes on.

See for yourself:

According to a report published by the American Academy of Allergy and
Immunology Committee on Adverse Reactions to Food (part of the National
Institutes of Health), the allergies of up to one third of children tested
cleared after milk was removed from their diet.

Dr. Benjamin Spock, author of the world-famous book Baby and Child Care,
wrote in 1998, "Cow's milk is not recommended for a child when he is sick-or
when he is well, for that matter. Dairy products may cause more mucus
complications and cause more discomfort with upper respiratory infections."

In their book Allergies to Milk, Drs. Sami L. Bahna and Douglas C. Heiner
report that children who are allergic to milk "may have breathing
difficulty, particularly during sleep, or an irritating cough associated
with a postnasal drip. . The cough is frequently associated with noisy
breathing and excessive mucus in the throat, and sometimes parents worry
that their child is 'gagging.' . Such affected children are frequently
diagnosed as having upper respiratory infection, viral illness, bronchitis,
. or pneumonia. Accordingly, they may be given unnecessary medications,
including cough syrups, decongestants, or antibiotics. Relief, however, is
not satisfactory until cow's milk is eliminated from the diet."

A 1997 report on food allergies in the Journal of the American Medical
Association found that cow's milk allergies tend to hit children in their
infancies. Recommended therapies for food allergies include "strict removal
of the offending allergen" or possibly a diet centered on human breast milk.

A British study found that 93 percent of children diagnosed with cow's milk
allergy experienced asthma and/or rhinitis when milk was included in their
diet. (The book Asthma and Rhinitis states that rhinitis is "characterized
by itching, sneezing, nasal blockage, and discharge.")

Frank Oski, M.D., the former director of the Department of Pediatrics of
Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and physician-in-chief of the
Johns Hopkins Children's Center, said in his 1992 book, "The fact is: The
drinking of cow milk has been linked to iron-deficiency anemia in infants
and children; it has been named as the cause of cramps and diarrhea in much
of the world's population, and the cause of multiple forms of allergy as
well."

In his book Pregnancy, Children, and the Vegan Diet, Dr. Michael Klaper
explains why milk may trigger the production of mucus: "[W]hen the protein
of another animal is introduced into one's immune system, an allergic/immune
response is created in many places in the body. A common reaction to such an
assault by a foreign protein in our immune system is an outpouring of mucus
from the nasal and throat membranes. . The resulting mucus flow can create
the chronic runny noses, persistent sore throats, hoarseness, bronchitis,
and the recurrent ear infections that plague so many children (and their
parents)."

According to the metastudy Milk Allergies, "Cow's milk allergy, mainly a
disease of infancy, is usually manifested within the first two or three
months of life. . No age, however, is exempt, and milk allergy may be first
detected during adolescence or adulthood."

Dr. Christiane Northrup states: "Dairy is a tremendous mucus producer and a
burden on the respiratory, digestive, and immune systems." Dr. Northrup says
that patients who "eliminate dairy products for an extended period and eat a
balanced diet . suffer less from colds and sinus infections."

The mucus created by milk may cause other health problems, as well. Dr.
William Ellis, who has studied the effects of dairy foods for more than four
decades, says that milk is "simply no good for humans." Dr. Ellis believes
that the excess mucus caused by milk can harden to form a coating on the
inner wall of the intestines, hindering the absorption of nutrients and
possibly leading to chronic fatigue.

According to an article in the June 26, 2003, Calgary Herald, milk is the
most common source of allergies in children. Sharon Tateishi, a Calgary,
Alberta, nutritionist for more than 20 years, comments, "There are so many
articles coming up. You can't ignore the issue any more. If a child has food
sensitivities to milk, the symptoms can include eczema, bloating, runny
nose, chronic ear infections, stomach problems. It could be asthma. Even
things like kidney and bladder problems."

Unless you like phlegm in your throat and a constant runny nose, it might be
time to try soy. Click here for delicious dairy-free recipes.

<snip diversions, stupid skeptic tricks, and quacking>

LL/Jan
 
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