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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / March 2004A Direct Question to Mark MD - No Diversions Please
Do you think Andrew Kingoff lied about the email?? [ ] Yes [ ] No Why hasn't he posted it?? [ ] He lied [ ] He made it up Why would he made up a lie about someone's brother?? [ ] He has no decency [ ] He is a pathetic liar and trouble maker Will you give a straight answer without resorting to diversionary tactics, or will you launch into a rant about Jan?? {I'm just curious about how Mark MD ignores lies when it comes to people he likes. *;* Jan >{I'm just curious about how Mark MD ignores lies when it >comes to people he likes. Jan should take a look in the mirror. The Cure For All Cancers by Hulda Clark. Jan says Hulda did not lie. She was just mistaken. But Jan is not ignoring Hulda's lies because she likes her. LOL!!! By the way did Hulda admit that she was mistaken about not having the cure for all cancers? If so I must have missed it. I guess she is just still mistaken. Multiple choice question: Answer could be more than one. A Hulda Clark is lying about having cure for all cancers. B Hulda Clark is mistaken about having cure for all cancers. C Hulda Clark is delusional about having the cure for all cancers. D Hulda Clark does have the cure for all cancers. E Hulda Clark is a parasite who preys on the helpless. F Hulda Clark should be prosecuted for practicing medicine without a license Answers_________________ Aloha, Rich >*;* > >Jan ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- The best defense to logic is ignorance > A Hulda Clark is lying about having cure for all cancers. > B Hulda Clark is mistaken about having cure for all cancers. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Answers__A, C, E and F___ ======================= Allow me to answer this from what I have read about this woman Clark. How this woman gets away with what she's doing is beyond me. I also wonder how much of her ill gotten gains goes to charities. Does she keep every penny of the thousands she maker per victim? I saw no mention of any charity work she does for anyone, anywhere.  SignatureKim The most amazing BS artists there are: http://members.rogers.com/kirkkolas/index.html http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jan is causing trouble againh. Why is she obsessed with Mark L and Rich? > Do you think Andrew Kingoff lied about the email?? > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Jan >Jan is causing trouble againh. Why is she obsessed with Mark L and Rich? I don't know but she's also obsessed with people who haven't posted here in a long time, such as Bubba and Andrew K. I guess Mizz Drew isn't getting any of the "good stuff" at home. Do you think Jan Drew's obsession with Andrew Kingoff is unhealthy?? [ ] Yes [ ] No Why hasn't she gotten over it?? [ ] She can't [ ] Not Getting Enough of the "Good Stuff" at home Why would Rb made up a lie about his brother?? [ ] He has no decency [ ] He felt the need to lie in order to bash conventional medicine [ ] He is a Soulless Reprobate, Steaming Bag of Feces, and a Pathological Liar. Will she give a straight answer without resorting to diversionary tactics, or will Jan launch into a rant about Ben, Jessie, or St. Stephen Barrett, MD? > Do you think Jan Drew's obsession with Andrew Kingoff is unhealthy?? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > [ X ] He felt the need to lie in order to bash conventional medicine > [ X ] He is a Soulless Reprobate, Steaming Bag of Feces, and a Pathological > Liar. > > Will she give a straight answer without resorting to diversionary > tactics, or will Jan launch into a rant about Ben, Jessie, or St. Stephen > Barrett, MD? Who is Andrew K and what happened to him? Did he simply leave the NG? SignatureKim The most amazing BS artists there are: http://members.rogers.com/kirkkolas/index.html http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Do you think Jan Drew's obsession with Andrew Kingoff is unhealthy?? >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Who is Andrew K and what happened to him? Andrew is a Licensed Acupuncturist who choose not to enable Jan Drew's somatic hypervigilance. Further, he joined in with those who debunked Jan's words, works, and anecdotes. Jan has targeted him, a practitioner of alternative medicine, for those reasons, but in particular because he is Jewish. Jan frequently publishes his business address and phone # here along with such cute phrases as "jew boy" in order to express her narcisstic rage in her trademark anti-semitic style. Doesn't it sound like he MUST be a pretty decent chap? Did he simply leave the NG? "This Alias Brought to YOU by EOM" <ilsa9w@aol.comEOMALIAS> wrote in message > Andrew is a Licensed Acupuncturist who choose not to enable Jan Drew's somatic > hypervigilance. Further, he joined in with those who debunked Jan's words, > works, and anecdotes. Jan has targeted him, a practitioner of alternative > medicine, for those reasons, but in particular because he is Jewish. JEWISH???? OMG... that's the answer! > Jan frequently publishes his business address and phone # here along with such > cute phrases as "jew boy" in order to express her narcisstic rage in her > trademark anti-semitic style. > > Doesn't it sound like he MUST be a pretty decent chap? Yes, too bad she ran him off. :-( Thanks for the explanation. SignatureKim The most amazing BS artists there are: http://members.rogers.com/kirkkolas/index.html http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Do you think Andrew Kingoff lied about the email?? > > [ ] Yes > [ ] No I don't know. I haven't been following this partcular issue that closely, but if he has this email, I think he should post it and clear things up. If he doesn't have this email (and never, in fact did), then yes, he lied about it. > Why hasn't he posted it?? > [ ] He lied > [ ] He made it up Maybe both. If he lied about it, then he lied about it. Did Hulda lie? > Why would he made up a lie about someone's brother?? > > [ ] He has no decency > [ ] He is a pathetic liar and trouble maker To stir the pot a little, i.e. to rile up some people. > Will you give a straight answer without resorting to diversionary > tactics, or will you launch into a rant about Jan?? I just answered. Will you answer the simple question I posed to you? > {I'm just curious about how Mark MD ignores lies when it > comes to people he likes. > > *;* > > Jan I didn't ignore the question at all. Will you continue to ignore the question I posed to you about Hulda Clark and the title of her book? Mark, MD >Subject: Re: A Direct Question to Mark MD - No Diversions Please >From: mlowry3@bellsouth.net (Mark) [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >Mark, MD From: JDrew63929 (jdrew63929@aol.com) Subject: Re: Is Hulda still Shut Down? Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 2001-04-04 21:10:05 PST As I have said many times I can only attest to the methods that I have tried. I believe she is 100% correct about the teeth. I have done the parasite, kidney and liver cleanse and had good results. I know other people she has helped. I think she made a big mistakes with the title of her books, I do not think she has the answer to all diseases. There are many many things she suggest that one do and they are pretty difficult to follow, to list them all is impossible. I also think she should pay more attention to her organization. I do not approve of Tim Bolen's actions and writings. From: JDrew63929 (jdrew63929@aol.com) Subject: Re: Telling it like it is Part 2 Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Original Format Date: 2001-06-30 18:50:30 PST >How wrong you are. I came to Bill Ross's defense when he was being treated wrong and it was on the Dr Clark list. I told both Tim Bolen and Hulda brother what I thought. I also wrote to Hulda and told her. From: Jan (jdrew63929@aol.com) Subject: Re: WHO Declares Europe and Central Asia Polio Free Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Original Format Date: 2002-07-05 19:51:24 PST >I have indeed let her and her son how I feel about Tim Bolen and how Bill Ross was treated unfairly on the Dr Clark ng, and I told the whole group, I would be no part of these kind of actions. From: JDrew63929 (jdrew63929@aol.com) Subject: Re: Alternative Medicine=Scared Doctors??? View: Complete Thread (65 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 2001-08-15 14:59:48 PST >Also, you yourself admit that you don't even know if Hulda has the cure for >all >cancers. That's correct. I also have noted the mistakes I think she has made. From: JDrew63929 (jdrew63929@aol.com) Subject: Re: Hulda Clark as a separate n.g.? View: Complete Thread (239 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 2000/05/08 >It seems to me that you would be willing to accept anything that comes out of >Hulda's mouth as the gospel. Well, then you are quite WRONG. Your assumptions get in the way of the truth. NOW HEAR THIS..........for the 100th time. I can only attest to the methods that I have tried. I believe that she is 100 percent correct about the teeth. I believe that my PN was caused from mercury poisoning. If I hadn't read her book when I did, I mostly likely wouldn't be here. Kirk, she will plainly tell you she doesn't have all the answers and is still learning. More research needs to be done. And she admits and even she has made mistakes....<<GASP>> She doesn't have a big hang up with pride, she is only interesting in *ONE* thing, and that is helping people. What's the big deal about revising and additions?? There are many things that bother me, Andrew, and I have said many times that I do not know/ question some of her advice. I can only tell you that she has been a big help in my renewed health. I can only attest to what I have tried and EVERYTHING I have done (and it hasn't been easy) has worked for me. She led me to checking out the teeth and that was my BIGGEST problem. There was an article here in the Tampa news Sunday entitled: Dentist Pull Away From Silver Fillings. The news is getting out, THANK GOD and Hulda played a BIG part in this. Jan I pretty much know llsa is Andrew from llsa's posts and grammar and Ace Ventura style phrases. Perhaps llsa would like to post this email that people are ranting about and clear everything up? Anth >I pretty much know llsa is Andrew from llsa's posts and grammar and Ace >Ventura style phrases. >Perhaps llsa would like to post this email that people are ranting about and >clear everything up? Any script writer can do that. Regards, Aribert Deckers SignatureReklame mit wahrheitswidrigen Behauptungen http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_wies.htm (BTW this is the last ad hominem MHA servey I will post to) Anth > >Subject: Re: A Direct Question to Mark MD - No Diversions Please > >From: mlowry3@bellsouth.net (Mark) <snip for brevity> > >I just answered. Will you answer the simple question I posed to you? > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > >Mark, MD <again, snip for brevity> > That's correct. I also have noted the mistakes I think she has made. So what we have here is Jan attesting that Hulda is "mistaken". Jan, can you not see that Mrs. Clark is *lying* when she says she has the Cure For All Diseases? Can't you see how transparent you are when you refuse to use the word "liar" when it comes to someone you like? You diverted the topic once before (hence, this current thread)...are you going to do it again and ask me to comment on yet another person's truthfulness before you admit that your pal Hulda has lied in the title of her book? I answered your questions about so-and-so's supposed e-mail...will you answer me about Hulda? Or will you claim that you already have, and that Hulda didn't *lie* when she claimed to have The Cure For All Diseases -- she was merely mistaken? Mark, MD > > >Subject: Re: A Direct Question to Mark MD - No Diversions Please > > >From: mlowry3@bellsouth.net (Mark) [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > when she claimed to have The Cure For All Diseases -- she was merely > mistaken? I would expect George Bush to return a campaign contribution from a right wing Republican before Jan would say that Hulda lied. Do not expect Jan to give an honest answer to this. She will wiggle and weasel, slide and squirm, before she will admit that Hulda lied. For her to do so would violate one of the Commandments of Altism, i.e., never criticize a fellow Altie. >Subject: Re: A Direct Question to Mark MD - No Diversions Please >From: mlowry3@bellsouth.net (Mark) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ><snip for brevity> ><again, snip for brevity> Snip all you want Mark, I have posted my opinion. I don't need you to take it apart. I said what I said and that is it. Do I think Hulda *lied* no, I do not. I believe in her heart, she really does believe she has the answer to all diseases and I think she doesn't. Furthermore you don't care what I think. Jan From: JDrew63929 (jdrew63929@aol.com) Subject: Re: Is Hulda still Shut Down? Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 2001-04-04 21:10:05 PST As I have said many times I can only attest to the methods that I have tried. I believe she is 100% correct about the teeth. I have done the parasite, kidney and liver cleanse and had good results. I know other people she has helped. I think she made a big mistakes with the title of her books, I do not think she has the answer to all diseases. There are many many things she suggest that one do and they are pretty difficult to follow, to list them all is impossible. I also think she should pay more attention to her organization. I do not approve of Tim Bolen's actions and writings. From: JDrew63929 (jdrew63929@aol.com) Subject: Re: Telling it like it is Part 2 Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Original Format Date: 2001-06-30 18:50:30 PST >How wrong you are. I came to Bill Ross's defense when he was being treated wrong and it was on the Dr Clark list. I told both Tim Bolen and Hulda brother what I thought. I also wrote to Hulda and told her. From: Jan (jdrew63929@aol.com) Subject: Re: WHO Declares Europe and Central Asia Polio Free Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Original Format Date: 2002-07-05 19:51:24 PST >I have indeed let her and her son how I feel about Tim Bolen and how Bill Ross was treated unfairly on the Dr Clark ng, and I told the whole group, I would be no part of these kind of actions. From: JDrew63929 (jdrew63929@aol.com) Subject: Re: Alternative Medicine=Scared Doctors??? View: Complete Thread (65 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 2001-08-15 14:59:48 PST >Also, you yourself admit that you don't even know if Hulda has the cure for >all >cancers. That's correct. I also have noted the mistakes I think she has made. From: JDrew63929 (jdrew63929@aol.com) Subject: Re: Hulda Clark as a separate n.g.? View: Complete Thread (239 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 2000/05/08 >It seems to me that you would be willing to accept anything that comes out of >Hulda's mouth as the gospel. Well, then you are quite WRONG. Your assumptions get in the way of the truth. NOW HEAR THIS..........for the 100th time. I can only attest to the methods that I have tried. I believe that she is 100 percent correct about the teeth. I believe that my PN was caused from mercury poisoning. If I hadn't read her book when I did, I mostly likely wouldn't be here. Kirk, she will plainly tell you she doesn't have all the answers and is still learning. More research needs to be done. And she admits and even she has made mistakes....<<GASP>> She doesn't have a big hang up with pride, she is only interesting in *ONE* thing, and that is helping people. What's the big deal about revising and additions?? There are many things that bother me, Andrew, and I have said many times that I do not know/ question some of her advice. I can only tell you that she has been a big help in my renewed health. I can only attest to what I have tried and EVERYTHING I have done (and it hasn't been easy) has worked for me. She led me to checking out the teeth and that was my BIGGEST problem. There was an article here in the Tampa news Sunday entitled: Dentist Pull Away From Silver Fillings. The news is getting out, THANK GOD and Hulda played a BIG part in this. Jan > Snip all you want Mark, I have posted my opinion. I don't need you to > take it apart. I said what I said and that is it. Do I think Hulda > *lied* no, I do not. I believe in her heart, she really does believe > she has the answer to all diseases and I think she doesn't. Thank you for stating your position clearly. You're correct that if that is in fact the situation, Clark isn't lying, since lying requires one to know that what one says isn't true, but to still say it with conscious intention to deceive. What would be correct to say is that Clark is deluded. > >Subject: Re: A Direct Question to Mark MD - No Diversions Please > >From: mlowry3@bellsouth.net (Mark) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I believe in her heart, she really does believe she has the answer to all > diseases and I think she doesn't. Fair enough. Now, since your criteria for determining what is a lie is whether a person actually believes what they are saying is true, then all to people you have called liars need an apology. Since the list is long, start typing. > Furthermore you don't care what I think. Actually, we all do, since you dominate this newsgroup and divert all decent communication. jdrew63929@aol.com wrote: >I have posted my opinion. <snip> >I think Hulda *lied* <snip> I do... >I believe in her <snip> she really does <snip> has the answer to all >diseases and I think she does <snip> Now, we all know that Jan would never snip to change meaning. >Subject: Re: A Direct Question to Mark MD - No Diversions Please >From: ilsa9w@aol.comEOMALIAS (This Alias Brought to YOU by EOM) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Now, we all know that Jan would never snip to change meaning. No, what we know is what a jerk and liar you are. I have never snipped to change a meaning ,nor snipped in the middle of a sentence. If you care to read the whole thread, you will note Mark MD thinks if you have no e-mail to show, you lied. Without any doubt, you did and still are. Jan snip for focus > No, what we know is what a jerk and liar you are. I have never snipped to > change a meaning ,nor snipped in the middle of a sentence. We all know that this is a lie. > No, what we know is what a jerk and liar you are. I have never snipped to > change a meaning ,nor snipped in the middle of a sentence. Jan is now blatanly lying, as shown by a post of mine followed by what Jan has denied doing: ************************** From: Fred & michele (healthyu@concentric.net) Subject: Re: Medical Mistakes View this article only Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 2001-03-20 05:37:29 PST Jan: To say that going to the hospital should be avoided unless it's an emergency is potentially dangerous. What about tests for various cancers -- surgical procedures to alleviate pain -- certain chemotherapies that cannot be administered safely outside a fully equipped health care center like a hospital (not the local clinic)? For all the hype about all the dangers of hospitals, they are more succesful at treating patients than not, by a long shot. I know if I was to find anything I thought might be serious & my doc recommended a hospital stay, I'd do it. Choosing not to is your perogative, but to say that the danger is higher than it actually is may lead someone else to be too frightened to have something potentially serious checked out properly or treated. Of course, many health care tests & treatment *can* be done outside the hospital & should be. The hospital should be considered one of several options; sometimes it is the best one, sometimes not. Michele *Nurse* Massage Therapist ************************* Jan then responded with this: From: JDrew63929 (jdrew63929@aol.com) Subject: Re: Medical Mistakes View this article only Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 2001-03-20 13:12:27 PST >From: "Fred & michele" healthyu@concentric.net >Date: 3/20/01 8:31 AM US Eastern Standard Time [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >To say that going to the hospital should be avoided unless it's an emergency >is potentially dangerous I disagree. >What about tests for various cancers -- surgical >procedures to alleviate pain -- certain chemotherapies Going for a test is fine, if you have no other choice. I am talking about staying out of them if at all possible. As for chemo, I would never have it, poisoning ones cells when they are already ill just doesn't make sense to me as well as many others. I just snip the rest of your post Michele. Since you are a lover of Rich and Andrew's posts, I think you have very bad judgement. Jan ****************** So Jan never snips in the middle of a sentence? That would be a lie, as demonstrated above. And it also shows that Jan is only too willing to snip to change the meaning of another's post. So she lied about that as well. This was only one of several examples of Jan's snipping in the middle of others' sentences & snipping to change the meaning of what someone else wrote. Proven with her own words....... > Do you think Andrew Kingoff lied about the email?? > > [ ] Yes > [] No Depends on which email, I know that llsa hasn't produced evidence that RB lied *yet* > Why hasn't he posted it?? > [ ] He lied > [ ] He made it up Truthfully I have no idea, I suspect it is a lie but I don't know for sure. > Why would he made up a lie about someone's brother?? > > [ ] He has no decency > [ ] He is a pathetic liar and trouble maker Can't answer this one because I don't know its a lie! I suspect to cause trouble, which is what llsa delights in doing. > Will you give a straight answer without resorting to diversionary > tactics, or will you launch into a rant about Jan?? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jan |
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