No, it is not a lie. HO just forgot to type "garbage deleted" before
he posted his excellent information.

No one cares. Intelligent people know you post crap.

Learn to read and follow attributes,Jan.

Happy never claimed you said it.

Are you still shilling and spamming for
William Campbell Douglass II, M.D?

That is a lie.

Sure Jan Drew did not write that. It is beyond her comprehension.

She wrote crap. As usual.

Jan Drew posted insane crap.

She better read this:

Two children die with SSPE because of an anti-vaccinationist pair
*****************************************************************

In Germany we now have an ultimate extreme case: the death of two children in
series, both with SSPE, both infections caused by the very same incident, both
are victims of a pair of German anti-vaccinationists.

The German pediatricians' society has a web-site, where they publish this
message:
http://www.kinderaerzte-im-netz.de/bvkj/aktuelles1/show.php3?id=2836&nodeid=26
<quote>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
02.07.2008
Masern in Bad Salzuflen - zweites
Kind in Folge an tödlicher Gehirnentzündung erkrankt
Video zum Masern-SSPE-Fall
http://www.monks.de/kin_videos/Infektionskrankheiten/Masern/Natalie-SSPE.wmv
Ein 10-jähriges Mädchen aus Bad Salzuflen ist an
einer chronischen Maserngehirnentzündung erkrankt.
Die so genannte Subakute Sklerosierende
Panenzephalitis - kurz SSPE - kann als Spätfolge
einer Masernerkrankung auftreten und verläuft praktisch
immer tödlich. Der Fall der kleinen Natalie ist vor
allem deshalb bemerkenswert, da es im gleichen Ort
einen zweiten Fall einer SSPE-Erkrankung gibt
(Michael Giesbrecht, 9 Jahre - Kinderaerzte-im-Netz berichtete),
http://www.kinderaerzte-im-netz.de/bvkj/aktuelles1/show.php3?id=1517&nodeid=26
die offensichtlich den gleichen Ursprung hat.
Beide Kinder waren im Säuglingsalter an Masern
erkrankt - angesteckt hatten sie sich beim
routinemäßigen Besuch eines Kinder- und Jugendarztes,
um die anstehenden Vorsorgeuntersuchungen
durchzuführen. Die Infektion ging von einem 11-jährigen
Jungen aus, der am gleichen Tag im Frühjahr 1999 mit
unspezifischen Beschwerden in der Praxis war und bei
dem sich erst am darauf folgenden Tag die typischen
Masernsymptome zeigten. Insgesamt hatte dieser Junge,
dessen Eltern die Masernimpfung ablehnten, in dieser
Praxis 6 weitere Kinder, darunter drei Säuglinge mit
Masern infiziert. Bei zwei dieser Kinder, die heute 9
und 10 Jahre alt sind, wurde inzwischen eine
SSPE-Erkrankung diagnostiziert. "Eine solche
unerklärliche Häufung von SSPE-Erkrankungen ist in
der wissenschaftlichen Literatur bisher nicht
beschrieben worden. Diese Fälle sind nicht nur sehr
tragisch für die betroffenen Kinder und deren Familien
- sie zeigen auch sehr deutlich, dass Masern keine
harmlose Kinderkrankheit sind. Besonders Säuglinge,
die ja noch nicht geimpft werden können, haben ein
erhöhtes Risiko an dieser gefährlichen Spätfolge der
Masern zu versterben. Es ist daher besonders wichtig,
Maserninfektionen bei Säuglingen zu verhindern", warnt
Prof. Dr. med. Reinhard Berner vom Zentrum für
Kinder- und Jugendmedizin am Universitätsklinikum
Freiburg und Vorsitzender der Deutschen Gesellschaft
für Pädiatrische Infektiologie (DGPI). Auch eine
britische Studie zeigt, dass die Gefahr für Säuglinge
besonders groß ist. Demnach erkrankt etwa 1 von 5.000
Kindern, die in den ersten 12 Lebensmonaten die
Masern durchmachen, im Laufe seines weiteren Lebens
an dieser tödlichen Gehirnentzündung. Nach
Informationen des Berufsverbandes der Kinder- und
Jugendärzte in Deutschland (BVKJ) wurden seit 2003
insgesamt 18 Fälle von SSPE in Deutschland
diagnostiziert - darunter auch sechs Fälle aus
Nordrhein-Westfalen (NRW). 17 dieser Kinder waren
im Säuglingsalter an Masern erkrankt. Während der
letzten großen Masernepidemie in NRW im Jahre 2006
waren mehr als 1.600 Menschen, meist Kinder und
Jugendliche, an Masern erkrankt - nach Angaben des
Landesinstitut für den Öffentlichen Gesundheitsdienst
(lögd) darunter auch über 100 Säuglinge.
Vollständiger Impfstatus als Voraussetzung für
Kindergärten und Kindertagesstätten (Kita)
BVKJ und DGPI fordern, dass alle Kinder vor dem
Besuch einer Gemeinschaftseinrichtung alle von der
Ständigen Impfkommission (STIKO) empfohlenen
Impfungen nachweisen müssen. "Gerade vor dem
Hintergrund, dass zunehmend auch neue Kita-Plätze für
Säuglinge und Kleinkinder geschaffen werden, ist es
eine Verpflichtung für die Träger dieser Einrichtungen,
die gesundheitliche Sicherheit derer zu gewährleisten,
die sich selbst nicht schützen können. Das gilt natürlich
auch für Kinder, die aufgrund einer Immunschwäche
oder einer Krebserkrankung nicht geimpft werden
können. In allen Ländern, in denen dieses Modell - No
Vaccination No School - angewandt wird, sind die
Masern eliminiert. Und damit verschwindet auch die
SSPE", erläutert Berner. Kritisiert wird von den
Experten insbesondere das neue Gesetz zur frühen
Bildung und Förderung von Kindern - kurz KiBiz -, das
in NRW im Zentrum des verstärkten Ausbaus des
Betreuungsangebotes für unter Dreijährige steht. "Wir
haben mehrfach dafür gerungen, dass im Gesetzentwurf
ein Passus verankert wird, der eine Impfpasskontrolle
als Voraussetzung für einen Platz in der
Kindertagesstätte oder im Kindergarten festschreibt.
Aber die Politiker hier in NRW scheinen
beratungsresistent zu sein. Noch immer sterben Kinder
in Deutschland an Masern. Es ist eine Schande. Alle
Experten wissen, wie diese gefährliche Krankheit in
Deutschland ausgerottet werden könnte - doch das
KiBiz-Gesetz wird von ahnungslosen Politikern aus
dem Ministerium für Generationen, Familien, Frauen
und Integration verantwortet, die auch die Position des
Gesundheitsministeriums von NRW nicht berücksichtigt
haben", kritisiert Dr. Thomas Fischbach,
Landesvorsitzender der Kinder- und Jugendärzte in
Nordrhein.
WHO kritisiert Deutschland
Das von der Weltgesundheitsorganisation (WHO)
vorgegebene Ziel - die Eliminierung der Masern in
Deutschland bis 2010 - sieht der Berufsverband der
Kinder- und Jugendärzte inzwischen außer Reichweite.
Seit Anfang des Jahres sind in Deutschland bereits über
750 Menschen an Masern erkrankt. Kritik kommt daher
auch von der WHO. "Um Masern auszurotten, braucht
man eine klare Impfstrategie, die alle Kinder im zweiten
Lebensjahr erreicht. Gerade in
Gemeinschaftseinrichtungen können sich Masern schnell
verbreiten. Ungeimpfte Kinder haben nicht nur selbst
ein hohes Erkrankungsrisiko - sie gefährden auch die
Gesundheit anderer. Die Regelung wonach alle Kinder
gegen Masern geimpft sein müssen, bevor sie eine
Gemeinschaftseinrichtung besuchen dürfen, hat sich in
vielen Ländern als sehr erfolgreich erwiesen. Denn
noch immer sterben weltweit etwa 240.000 Kinder
jedes Jahr an Masern - es ist eine gefährliche
Erkrankung", so Dr. Nedret Emiroglu vom
WHO-Regionalbüro für Europa.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
</quote>
In short: In 1999 in a German town an 11 year old boy ill with measles is in the
waiting room of a pediatrician. A mother with her baby
Micha is also there. The baby Micha catches measles. Some years later Micha has
SSPE. Today Micha is still alive, but is under 24-hour
care and gets morphine.
In the very same pediatrician practise on the very same day another baby is in
the waiting room. This baby, Natalie, also catches measles
from the first mentioned boy (some 4 other children also did).
Today Natalie has SSPE.
The boy, who brought the measles into the waiting room, is the child of
anti-vaccinationists, who refused measles vaccination.
The risk of SSPE is MUCH higher than all the time was claimed. According to a
study about a year ago the risk of SSPE is about 1:2000.
Risk of death by measles directly is about 1:500 to 1:1000.
This makes the total risk for death caused by measles in total to about 1:400.
The German Robert Koch Institut publishes false data. These false data the
Robert Koch Institut spreads, and the media and health
agencies ("Gesundheitsamt") transport these false data without questioning them.
Complaints with the Robert Koch Institut are useless - I tried that.
Complaints with the newspapers are useless - they tell you, that they received
the material from health agencies.
Mrs. von der Leyen, Minister in Germany, is a medical doctor. Nonetheless she
transports the false data. Complaints with her office were
useless. They "answer" with some childish babble they spill out every day. They
do not understand the facts, they are clueless.
Here is an example of false data, just published today (concerning the
aforementioned two coupled cases of SSPE!) by the German
"Zweites Deutsches Fernsehen":
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/17/0,1872,7261681,00.html
<quote>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Aktuelles Datum: 03. Juli 2008
Mo-Fr, 5.30 Uhr
Tödliche Maserngefahr
Kinderärzte fordern Impfpflicht für Kita-Besuch
Der Berufsverband der Kinder- und Jugendärzte (BVKJ) hat einen vollständigen
Impfschutz für Kinder als Voraussetzung für den
Kita-Besuch gefordert. Da für Säuglinge und Kleinkinder immer mehr
Betreuungsplätze entstünden und diese Gruppe besonders
gefährdet sei, müsse etwa eine Masernimpfung Pflicht werden, forderte der
Verband am Mittwoch in einer Mitteilung.
Hintergrund des neuerlichen Verbandsaufrufs ist die Erkrankung zweier Kinder im
lippischen Bad Salzuflen an der unheilbaren und
tödlich verlaufenden Gehirnentzündung SSPE als Folge einer Maserninfektion.
Beim Kinderarzt angesteckt
Die beiden Kinder in Bad Salzuflen - ein zehnjähriges Mädchen und ein
neunjähriger Junge - waren den Angaben zufolge im
Säuglingsalter an Masern erkrankt. Angesteckt hatten sie sich 1999 in der Praxis
eines Kinderarztes. Die Infektion sei von einem
Elfjährigen ausgegangen, bei dem erst einen Tag später die Masern festgestellt
wurden. Dieser Junge, dessen Eltern die Masernimpfung
abgelehnt hätten, habe in der Praxis sechs weitere Kinder angesteckt, darunter
drei Säuglinge.
Der BVKJ warnte Eltern ungeimpfter Kinder sowie Schwangere zudem vor Reisen in
Feriengebiete, wo die hoch ansteckenden
Masernviren grassieren. Dazu gehörten die Schweiz, Österreich, Irland und
Großbritannien. Auch in Italien breite sich das Virus derzeit
rasant aus. Dort seien seit Jahresbeginn mehr als 1500 Menschen, meist
Jugendliche, erkrankt. Täglich würden neue Fälle gemeldet.
Spätkomplikation mit tödlichem Ausgang
Die SSPE (subakute sklerosierende Panenzephalitis) ist laut Robert Koch-Institut
eine sehr seltene Spätkomplikation, die sich nach
durchschnittlich sechs bis acht Jahren manifestiert. Sie macht sich oft
schleichend durch psychische Veränderungen des Betroffenen
bemerkbar. Im weiteren Verlauf der Krankheit treten neurologische Störungen und
Ausfälle auf. Der Verlust von Gehirnfunktionen
führt schließlich zum Tod.
Nach BVKJ-Informationen gab es seit 2003 insgesamt 18 Fälle der Gehirnentzündung
SSPE in Deutschland, darunter sechs Fälle in
Nordrhein-Westfalen. 17 dieser Kinder seien im Säuglingsalter an Masern
erkrankt.
Gefürchtet ist laut Robert Koch-Institut auch die akute postinfektiöse
Enzephalitis. Sie beginne bei jedem tausendsten Masernpatienten
während der Krankheit. In 10 bis 20 Prozent der Fälle ende sie tödlich, 20 bis
30 Prozent der Betroffenen müssten mit bleibenden
Schäden des zentralen Nervensystems rechnen.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
</quote>
Although they report of the EXTREME case of TWO children dieing with SSPE
because of infection by an anti-vacc child, the
"reporters" transport the false data of the Robert Koch Institut:
<quote>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gefürchtet ist laut Robert Koch-Institut auch die akute postinfektiöse
Enzephalitis. Sie beginne bei jedem tausendsten Masernpatienten
während der Krankheit. In 10 bis 20 Prozent der Fälle ende sie tödlich, 20 bis
30 Prozent der Betroffenen müssten mit bleibenden
Schäden des zentralen Nervensystems rechnen.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
</quote>
In short: According to the Robert Koch Institut the encephalitis is feared. It
catches about 1/1000 of the measles patients and in 10 to 20
percent it is deadly, 20 to 30 percent get lifelong damage to their nervous
system.
NOWHERE in this text is mentioned the TOTAL risk of death by acute measles; and
that risk is about 1:500 in outbreaks found during
the last years in western industrial countries.
By nationwide spreading false data the Robert Koch Institut implies a much lower
risk of death/damage caused by measles, at least by the
factor 10. By spreading false data the Robert Koch Institut strongly supports
anti-vaccinationists.
A result we see now: two dieing children.
I ask all serious scientific institutions to ban the Robert Koch Institut for
deliberately spreading false data.

Regards,
Aribert Deckers

http://www.pharmamafia.com
http://www.pharmamafia.de
http://www.impfkritiker.de
http://wehrhafte.medizin.se

Because VAERS data is not to be used as the anti-vaqc liars, like
yourself, like to use it. You see, intelligent people, not you, know
that VAERS data is the definition of selection bias.

That question calls for a reminder.

Janet Mae Stidd, also known as Jan Drew, has written in the Net these things
(which were collected by Mark Thorson):

Message-ID: <40D38837.277810AA@sonic.net>

<quote>
Part 1:  Jan Drew's Hatred For Jews

Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:24:47 GMT

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030203003915.08900.00000405%40mb-mf.aol.com

Perhaps it was some kind of ritual
abuse by someone of the Jewish faith.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20021230161232.23430.00000342%40mb-mw.aol.com

I have no problem with anyone being Jewish,
God has a problem when people deny
that Jesus is the son of God.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20021230003534.02142.00000045%40mb-fn.aol.com

Thank you, and expect to be attacked by
[person, who is stalked by Janet Mae Stidd for years], a jew.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020620012318.03061.00000738%40mb-bg.aol.com

The only reason I called Andrew a jew boy
is because he posted 10 commmandments and
he doesn't believe in God or the bible.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020506134413.21486.00007488%40mb-fj.aol.com

And my calling Andrew a jew boy was NOT racists.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020506012459.00812.00008001%40mb-bg.aol.com

If I had called him, a.s clown, idiot, moron,
a lying stack of sh.t, or told him to F**k off,
that would be A OK,,,,,,,,,,right?

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020505002125.00763.00008303%40mb-bg.aol.com

What's the big deal? Calling you a jew boy was
exactly because you are a jew.  The same as you
calling me a methodist or baptist girl.
It doesn't even come close to all the names
you have called and your constant trash talk.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020504003536.28298.00007240%40mb-fe.aol.com

Little do you know anything about the
*10 Commandments* Jew Boy.
</quote>

Message-ID: <40D388AE.E7DC7432@sonic.net>

<quote>
Part 2: Jan Drew's Hatred For Jews

Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:26:46 GMT

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030718213628.28226.00000180%40mb-m24.aol.com

Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
(they are the ones who have told the group) with the
exception of IIena, they have proven themselves
to be  liars, deceitful and insulters.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030630184145.13643.00002027%40mb-m11.aol.com

That's because most every atheist and jew here
has INDEED lied. They know it,
yet they cover for each other.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030614013041.10617.00001458%40mb-m15.aol.com

The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
(who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need
to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their
ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO
are lead by Satan.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030613000639.06893.00001804%40mb-m19.aol.com

The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
who LIE through their tetth, do nothing
but belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists or jews.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030612202124.06893.00001784%40mb-m19.aol.com

I repeat:
The debubnker's here are atheist or jews.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030612014151.04369.00001280%40mb-m15.aol.com

No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived
as Eve was when Satan debunked
God's word.
That was the start of debunking.
Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried
to debunk his words, and even
debunked his miracles whch happened right
before their eyes.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030612011123.04369.00001278%40mb-m15.aol.com

Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works,
and now debunking and lies are second
nature to them. That is how Satan works.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030610213830.23300.00000368%40mb-m26.aol.com

Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030324214236.16466.00000249%40mb-mf.aol.com

It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
with hate.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030324214236.16466.00000249%40mb-mf.aol.com

It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even
for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way
involved.
</quote>

Message-ID: <40D388DD.47EAB649@sonic.net>

<quoted>
Part 3: Jan Drew's Hatred For Jews

Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:27:32 GMT

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040224182922.19410.00000351%40mb-m16.aol.com

Indeed, the Jews and atheists on this ng have lied over
and over, as well as posting nasty hateful lying websites
trying to personally trash. That is the facts.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040223172959.20223.00000244%40mb-m04.aol.com

There is an EXCELLENT example of one hate filled jew
(on this ng).

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040221204234.20451.00000208%40mb-m28.aol.com

To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,
IT IS THE TRUTH.
To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those
who practice lying is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.
To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,
IT IS THE TRUTH AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040220213242.12315.00000073%40mb-m02.aol.com

We have seen every single Jew here lie, but it isn't limited
to them.
</quote>

Listen, supid, you have been told a thousand times that a search for
"total deaths from vaccines" is not the same as a search for total
deaths from vaccines, since the Boolean scripting by placing the
search parameters changes the search to the specific phrase, not just
the words placed anywhere in the web page.

I even laid it out for you, you dumb doofus, but, you did not bother
to even try to understand it. That is because your hatred of an
"Uppity Jew Boy" like me gets in the way of your one functioning brain
cell.

There was no lie. In fact, I correctly predicted you would post some
blather.

Cleanse by-product deleted.

Learn to do a proper search:

WebHide optionsShow options... Results 1 - 4 of 4 for "total deaths
from vaccines". (0.31 seconds)

And two of those are you misusing Google.

Here's what happens when you leave out the bounding quotes (and it
trumps yours by a long way):

WebHide optionsShow options... Results 1 - 10 of about 1,390,000 for
lives saved by vaccines. (0.29 seconds)

Jan Drew, the obsessive liar and Net stalker, is in her element...

So it is time for a reminder. Here is some facts:

   
        FAQ about Jan Drew's advertizing for quackery
        *********************************************

Updated, March, 23rd., 2004

Hello,

in this and other news-groups a person who calls himself Jan Drew, is massively
advertizing quackery.

Since 1999 this person dumps his paranoia into the net. Following the lies of
Jan Drew can impose a serious threat to the health of you and your children.
This FAQ is made as a warning, and to demonstrate which dangers arise from
believing the many seemingly innocent and oh so charming and friendly people who
claim : "I have done it. It works!"

Do never forget, that you can and must (!) complain against health fraud. Take
your part in the defense against abuse of children and ill people!

The details about how you can do this in the USA you can find here :

  http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm

Aribert Deckers

-----

A. Foreword by Mr. Rich

B. The medical hystery and naturopath mafia advertizing of "Jan Drew"

C. Details
1. List of Web-Sites Jan Drew is advertizing for
2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam
3. Cui bono ? Mercola disguises as "Jan Drew"
4. Jan Drew confesses his forgeries
5. A look at Jan Drew's list of lies with URLs (internet links)
6. Jan Drew works for Scientology
7. Jan Drew works for Hulda Clark  
8. "$KaChing is Working!!"
9. "The Importance of Mass Name Calling"
10. Deadly fraud in the healthcare system
11. Jan Drew and the Attack on the WTC,
   Jan Drew's Antisemitism
12. Jan Drew's religious paranoia
13. The "Jew boy" case
14. Jan Drew, the stalker
15. Jan Drew insults, defames, libels...
16. Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams
17. The foul language of Jan Drew
18. Jan Drew's rhetorical warfare
19. Children die because of criminals like Jan Drew

D. Jan Drew is a shame to the human race

E. Why am I maintaining this FAQ ?

-----

A. Foreword by Mr. Rich
#######################

<quote>
From: [Mr. Rich]
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Newbie Alert :Tactics Of Jan Drew
Message-ID: <k69l40p1f6tbg83kgca8efu2vqedkk2c88@4ax.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:28:15 GMT

Jan Drew, the most prolific poster in this newsgroup has an agenda.
Her agenda is to promote alternative medicine while demonizing
conventional medicine. To Jan Drew the ends justify the means. This
means that she will lie, deceive, manipulate, distort, bear false
witness in order to achieve her objective.

Jan Drew is completely unable to discuss any topic with anyone who
disagrees with her. Her tactic is to try to discredit them by any
means she can. She may do a Google search and discover that a poster
is gay and then use that to discredit them. She may discover that a
poster is of the Jewish faith and use that to discredit them. She may
just brand someone with whom she disagrees as a member of organized
medicine to discredit them.

Jan Drew often gives the impression that she is either
psychotic/delusional or has some cognitive dysfunction that results in
her being very concrete in her thinking. She often appears not to
understand figurative speech, analogies, etc. This is all an act. Jan
Drew uses figurative speech and analogies. The reason that she appears
not to understand them is because when someone uses analogies to
demonstrate a point Jan DRew is unable to counter that point, so
instead of remaining silent she simply makes a personal attack against
the person falsely accusing them of diversion or changing the subject.

Jan Drew gives the impression that she is delusional about having
mercury poisoning by amalgams because she persists in this belief
despite my having demonstrated quite clearly that her history
indicates that psychologic factors were the key to understanding why
her PN deteriorated and why it suddenly improved. I have little doubt
that Jan DRew realizes that she never had mercury poisoning but this
does not stop her shilling.

Her claiming that she knows it was the mercury because she did not
start to feel better until after the mercury level dropped is a clear
indication that she understands the importance of the temporal
relationship between her getting better and mercury level dropping.
But Jan also clearly knows that she began to regain her health not
only before her mercury level dropped but after it likely ROSE!!!

Jan Drew is psychopathic liar. She repeatedly lies and bears false
witness against others in her malicious attempt to promote
alternoquacks. She says that I am stalking her which is a complete
lie. She says I lied about her amalgam history which is complete lie.
But Jan Drew keeps repeating these lies hoping that if she repeats
them enough that people will believe them. She is evil and despicable.

Jan DRew repeatedly makes new posts having absolutely nothing to do
with alternative medicine but instead making attacks against
conventional medicine. She has made countless posts focusing on the
negative aspects of conventional medicine. Not ONCE has she made a NEW
post talking about anything  positive about conventional medicine. She
is a propaganda machine. And she does not care if the attacks against
conventional medicine are factual or not. IF they are negative about
CM then Jan Drew uses them in her propaganda.

Jan Drew says that the reason that she posts negative things about CM
is because that is the reason why people are turning to AM. But the
truth is that Jan Drew is trying to drive people away from CM and to
AM by her lies. She specifically tells people to only go to
alternative dentists. She discourages people from going on medication
that only cover up the problem when she herself takes two medications
that only cover up her problem. She is a complete hypocrite.

Jan Drew also tries to intrude on people's personal lives in order to
get them to stop posting here. She makes complaints to ISP's in an
attempt to get her adversary's account closed. She post people's name,
address and phone number, calls then an antisemitic slur and tells
people not to do business with them. She posts the private information
of physicians who post here again in an attempt to harass them.

Jan collects posts that people have made from several years back to
repost here, completely out of context and unrelated to the discussion
simply to create diversion and to try to discredit the person. Watch
how she does it again with me while pretending that she is not reading
my post after lying about putting me in her kill file.

Skeptics need to be aware that if they post under their real name that
Jan Drew will do whatever she can to negatively intrude on their
personal lives. She likely spends most of her waking hours searching
on Google to find any dirt she can on the skeptics and she will then
post it here to discredit them.

Jan has repeatedly contacted my ISP accusing me of stalking her. But
the real stalker is Jan Drew who is attempting to discover my true
identity and address/phone number. Jan Drew is a very angry person and
potentially dangerous. She will stop at nothing to prevent her critics
from expressing their opinions here.

Poster beware.

Aloha,

Rich

PS: I absolutely GUARANTEE that Jan Drew will start a new post with my
name/tactics. Just watch.

But she won't directly address any of the issues here. And her many
enablers will also just make personal attacks and not address the
issues either. Just watch. It is all so predictable.

PPS: If anyone is making a FAQ about JD feel free to use any of the
above in it.
-------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance
</quote>

B. The Medical Hystery of "Jan Drew"
#####################################

Many information wars in the net are committed by people who claim to

  a) have suffered,
  b) then were saved,
  c) by the oh, so wonderful healer/doctor/medicament/treatment
     XYZ...

Jan Drew is one of these information war criminals. The history of what has
happened to him can be proven wrong.

Mr Rich sums up the history of the hystery of Jan Drew's alledged illnesses and
healings.

Why is it so important to write about this ? It is important to show the
innocent reader what powers and whose financial greed REALLY act in the "healer"
scene, which methods of rhetorical warfare are used, and how they are used.

In my homepage "Die Deutsche Amalgam-Page"
  http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_p0.htm 
  (bilingual)

I have a section dedicated to analyzing the tricks and strategies of
the naturopath mafia :
  http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_rhet.htm
 (Sorry, no translation to English available.)

Why is it so important to write about this ? Because it will save the lives of
many people who would die or would suffer terribly for the rest of their lives
if they or their parents were to fall for the lies of the naturopath mafia.

This is what we need : Fortified Medicine!:
  http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_wehr.htm
 (Sorry, no translation to English available. Help by a translator
  would be appreciated.)

AND: Do not forget, that you can and must (!) complain against health fraud.
Take your part in the defense against abuse of children and ill people!

The details about how you can do this in the USA you can find here :
  http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm

Now the text by Mr. Rich :

<quote>
From: [Mr. Rich]
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Do you wish to compare Harm caused?
Message-ID: <2a9o40hlo7jvbgp451uh3tc22fghdtppbv@4ax.com>
References:
<404b8888$0$305$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>
<20040308022648.29802.00001024@mb-m21.aol.com>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 07:51:59 GMT

Oh really. Well I will post Jan's history in her OWN WORDS and allow
the readers to decide whether this pathologic liar had mercury
poisoning from amalgams.
Don't mind Jan. She is obsessed with the delusion that she almost died
from mercury poisoning due to her amalgams  even though her history
suggests otherwise. Her history is as follows: (Note:  Jan has accused
me of lying about it but when repeatedly asked about what I lied about
she remains silent).

The facts according to Jan Drew:

1) She was diagnosed with peripheral neuropathy

2) She was put on Elavil and Neurontin which Jan reports significantly
improved her symptoms

3) She was told by her MD that they did not know what caused her
peripheral neuropathy

4) For a year Jan searched for a reason for her PN

5) She discovered a possible cause for her PN after reading a book by
Hulda Clark author of A Cure For All Cancers (Hulda believes that ALL
cancer is caused by a liver fluke and that she can cure all cancers by
a combination of a "zapper" and a course of herbs/supplements and
proper nutrition)

6) Jan became convinced after doing research that she indeed likely
had mercury poisoning from the amalgams.

7) Jan noticed a rapid and progressive deterioration in her health
that resulted in her believing that she was going to die.

8) On June 17, 1999 Jan had a quarter of her amalgams removed by Dr.
Frank Jerome, author of Tooth Truth. Dr. Frank, dentist  believes that
mercury amalgams cause a wide variety of health problems and much of
his practice involves removing amalgams and replacing them with
composites, a procedure that Jan Drew underwent.

9) On June 18, 1999 had more of her amalgams removed and reported on
usenet ON THE VERY SAME DAY that she had the amalgams removed within
HOURS of their removal that she felt better than she had in TWO
YEARS!!

10) When Jan was asked how she could feel better than she had in two
years she said that it was because she felt relief that ALL the
amalgams had been removed and that her bill was paid off. This was
clearly a LIE since Jan still had some amalgams left and according to
her would not have them out for another few weeks.

Here are her exact words:

11) Jan posted on sci.med.dentisty that she knew that it was the
amalgams that were causing her health problem because she began to
regain her health AFTER her mercury began to drop. This is also a
complete lie since she experience this improvement, better than she
had felt in two years,  within hours of having some of the amalgams
removed and NOT when she had them all removed which she claims above.

12) Jan claims that I told some lies when I provided the above
history.

13) Repeated attempts to ask Jan Drew what lies I told result in her
refusing to answer and instead diverting the topic by personal insults
and belittling.

AFAIK the above is true and is based upon Jan Drew's own account of
her history.

Discussion (OPINION):

The most likely explanation IMO for Jan Drew's improvement to the
point where she felt better than she had in two years (which btw is
VERY significant since she reports and rapid decline in health in the
months prior to the removal of the amalgams) are psychologic factors.

I believe that the deterioration in her health was largely due to her
worrying and obsessing about her being poisoned by mercury due to
buying into the idea that the amalgams were causing her health
problems. I also believe that the improvement in her health was
largely due to her relief that she finally was getting rid of what she
believed was causing her problem. IOW I believe that Jan Drew is an
excellent example of the power of placebo and that her history is
consistent with psychologic factors affecting physical illness
although I recommend competent health professional to evaluate her for
a more definitive opinion.

I have no doubt that her mercury level is declining. After all she had
all her amalgams removed. The question is whether at the highest level
was the mercury level causing any significant health problems for Jan
Drew. Jan certainly believes that it was. Her history, IMO, strongly
suggests otherwise.

I predict that Jan will respond to this post in one of the following:

1)She will ignore it and put me in her kill file
2) She will snip most of what I say and accuse me of lying without
specifically saying what I lied about
3) She will divert from the topic by accusing me of various things
including but not limited to a)hiking in the nude b) using her parents
to belittle her, c)being obsessed with her, d) calling me a Jew-boy,
pervert or some other creative insult from Jan "it is NEVER right to
belittle" Drew. Perhaps she will wish some disability on me.

What she will NOT do is

1) Discuss the subject in a reasonable fashion
2) Point out any lies that she continues to accuse me of

What she will likely end up doing is violating two of the Ten
Commandments:

1) Thou shalt not lie (she does this when she accuses me of lying with
respect to her history as I provided it WITH direct citations from
Jan)

2) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor (again doing
this by accusing me of various things such as lying and/or stalking).

And finally if you have unanswered health problems my suggestion is to
NOT take the advice of Jan Drew. And if you are foolish enough to
listen to her please don't say that I did not warn you.

Aloha,

Rich

-------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance
</quote>

1. List of Web-Sites Jan Drew is advertizing for
################################################

[naturopath mafia-based]
  http://www.800ga.com/parasites.htm
  http://home.vicnet.net.au/~mecfs/general/parasites.html
  http://www.all-natural.com/holistic.html
  http://www.yourhealthbase.com/alternative_medicine.html
  http://www.doctortalk.com/cancer_&_oxygen.php
  http://www.alternativemedicine.com/digest/issue22/i22-a12.shtml
  http://thinktwice.com/ploys.htm
  http://www.healingwithnutrition.com/cdisease/cardiovascular/vitce.html
  http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/chelation%20bill.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/Healthology/sept11HS_508939AlternativeCanc
erTreatments020910.html
  http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73
  http://www.aznetnews.com/story.php?storyid=375
  http://www.hospitalsantamonica.com/id45.htm
  http://www.holistic-dentistry.com/artamalgam.asp
  http://www.hugnet.com/protocol.html
  http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com/data/articles/63.htm
  http://www.mercola.com
  http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net

[Scientology-based articles]
  http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2000/04/16/loc_drugging_our_kids.html
  http://www.antipsychiatry.org/drsmith1.htm

(List will be updated)

2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam
######################################################

Nicknames and names of persons who help Jan Drew in his scam, or perhaps are
nothing but other masks of Mercola :

"Dave" <info@glowlife.com>
"Rod" <deniecerod1@hotmail.com>
"Teacher" <princeofmen@hotmail.com>
"David" <medtools@earthlink.net>
"ChuckMSRD" chuckmsrd@aol.com
"Anth" <anon@anon.com>
"soft-eng" <softeng3456@netscape.net>
"mdd" <mdd@trip.net>
"RB" <flagflye1@superweb.ca>
"DEBBEE1023" <debbee1023@aol.comnojunk>
"Gymmy Bob" <NoThanx@spam.com>

This list will be updated.
Note: ALL supporters of Jan Drew will be entered in this list !

Keep in mind these very true words :

<quote>
[...]
There is one positive aspect of having Jan Drew post here though; if
someone supports her then you can be sure that this person cannot be
trusted either. Anyone who reads Jan Drew's bigoted, hateful and
dishonest posts and supports her tells you much about their own
integrity.

And you can be reasonably certain that Jan Drew is reading all the
posts of the people she claims that she has kill filed. The only
reason that she kill files people is to give her plausible deniability
in her failure to reconcile her contradictory statements that are
frequently brought up to her.
</quote>

3. Cui bono ?
##############

A strong clue on who is responsible for the criminal deeds are the connections
to those who cash in the money.

Mercola and Klinghardt are known charlatans. Jan Drew advertizes for them. But
Jan Drew does more than that !

A posting from Jan Drew into news:misc.health.alternative impressively
demonstrates the background :

<quote>
Lines: 40
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 29 Aug 2003 20:19:06 GMT
References: <3f4f1c4c$0$46001$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: The Greatest Lie Ever Told
Message-ID: <20030829161906.24569.00000144@mb-m16.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:313197

Well now, that fits right in with the greatest lie ever told.

I posted a website. I mixed nothing, I abused nothing, I adsvertize nothing, I
have never forced people to do anything.

Happy is the liar,  making all kinds of false statements

When in fact it tells on the website, the many works of different researchers.

Dr. Vimy holds the rank of Clinical Associate Professor, Department of
Medicine,
Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary

Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his comments to
the ADA press release are most informative. You can review the article I
published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for further information on
mercury detoxification.

Jan

The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil,
but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
Albert Einstein
</quote>

Jan Drew writes IN HIS OWN WORDS, with himself as the center person of the text

<quote>
When in fact it tells on the website, the many works of different
researchers.

Dr. Vimy holds the rank of Clinical Associate Professor, Department of
Medicine, Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary

Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his
comments to the ADA press release are most informative. You can review
the article I published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for
************************************************************* +++
further information on mercury detoxification.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jan
</quote>

So Jan Drew published an article together with Klinghardt.

Now, WHO IS "JAN DREW" !?

A clue can be found by searching for news postings by Jan Drew containing the
word "Klinghardt", dated "earlier this year".  

We find a posting dated "09 Feb 2003 00:29:57 GMT" :
(Underlign marks made by me.)

<quote>
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 09 Feb 2003 00:29:57 GMT
References: <HGe1a.187148$HG.31994841@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Mercury Toxicity
Message-ID: <20030208192957.25214.00000251@mb-cf.aol.com>

http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/mercury_elimination.htm

Mercury

Toxicity and Systemic Elimination Agents

The following paper has been a long time in the making. I first wrote
it  nearly three years ago and it was initially rejected by the Lancet
and the British Medical Journal but was published last month in the
Journal of Nutritional  and Environmental Medicine (March 2001).
The end of the article has the bibliography which took quite awhile to
compile and has 124 of the best literature documentation I could find
on mercury detoxification. For a practical summary of the paper and
exactly what one  should do, please review my mercury detoxification
protocol. Dr. Klinghardt is widely recognized as one of the most
         **************  
knowledgeable physicians in mercury detoxification and it was a
                                                      ********
privilege to be able to help him with this paper.
*************************************************
<quote>

Jan Drew (remember the "I" !) here completely copies an article --- written by
Mercola TOGETHER with Klinghardt.

This article is "on mercury detoxification".

So we can strongly say that "Jan Drew" actually is Mercola.

Mercola is writing masses of articles, and he pours out an enourmous mass of
advertizing for his charlatan comrades, boosting his and their sales...

4. Jan Drew confesses his forgeries
###################################

In the following posting Jan Drew confesses to have taken someone else's words
and posted them in the net as his, Jan Drew's, own words :

<quote>
Path:
news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!easynews.net!newsfeed3.easynews.net!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
Lines: 28
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 18 Nov 2003 04:13:48 GMT
References: <troirvstkoaugingt4bnvsrpav3d9gbohe@4ax.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Jan Drew is a forger
Message-ID: <20031117231348.14148.00000498@mb-m15.aol.com>

Happy is not playing with a full deck.

As anyone can see this bit about me being Mercola is absurd.

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/18/ada.htm

<snip>

DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT:
Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his comments to
the ADA press release are most informative. You can review the article I
published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for further information on
mercury detoxification.
Thanks to Jeff Green of Citizens for Health for sending this very interesting
timeline regarding the dental use of mercury.

Took 16 seconds to find it.

I have posted it previously.

Jan

Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain
</quote>

So, for all to see, Jan Drew confesses to have taken Mercola's words,  and to
have have posted them as his, Jan Drew's very own words.

Do not forget the "I", by which Jan Drew makes these words HIS VERY OWN.

One more example of forgery :

<quote>
Path:
news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!easynews.net!newsfeed3.easynews.net!news.space.net!news.m-online.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
Lines: 24
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 07 Mar 2004 05:31:27 GMT
References: <grbl40tgsdpv99u2n2j1j3r2fbgihf91mt@4ax.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Newbie Alert :Tactics Of Trolls
Message-ID: <20040307003127.20278.00001024@mb-m27.aol.com>

Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project    http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light          http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10
http://www.ratbags.com/loon
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
</quote>

By adding those last lines (thge .sig of Peter Bowditch) she makes iut look as
if Peter Bowditch had sent this posting.

5. A look at Jan Drew's list of lies with URLs (internet links)
###############################################################

A great deal of Jan Drew's postings are lists of URLs (internet links to
web-pages). Jan Drew selects those pages and only takes those which seed fear
and hatred against scientific medicine.

Jan Drew defames scientific medicine as "Evil Organized Medizine".

In a posting of november 5th., 2003, Dr. Steve shows what such a list really
contains :

<quote>
From: "Dr. Steve" <drsteve@I.give.up.on.the.spam.com>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
References: <bdgqb.28460$Ec1.2621220@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
<20031105192957.03647.00000284@mb-m05.aol.com>
Subject: Re: 3rd Opinion - Root Canal Question
Message-ID: <r9hqb.7825$P%1.6850723@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 01:07:35 GMT

.
"Ja," <jdre.....29@aol.com> wrote in message

source.

the

A site making money on people's fear of Hg poisoning.  Just a dental office in
Nepal.

An Australian dentist with a really bad wig.  Trying to make money on
people's fear of Hg poisoning.

A letter written to Dr. Huggins, with no proof it was ever mailed.  The dental
links on the home page lead to a Dr. Nara's web page.  They sell books on th
evils of Hg in dentistry.

Web page of Dr. Shankland who is selling books.  He likes to quote Dr.
Price's research from 1918 and ignore all the research since then.

An anedotal report by some lay-person who bought a book by  Dr. Meinig and hopes
you will buy one his books too.

A web site that just sells a book.

An advertisement for Melisa Medica Foundation selling (guess what?)
disguised as some unfortunate souls suffering personal story.

Advertisement for the Blazing Tattles Newsletteer (they sell this) once again
disquised as a story.

Another advertisement for Dr. Meining's book.

Another link to the Nepal dental office.

Dr, Meining again.

Link to a dental office with a legal disclaimer section two pages long

A link to asome guy's dental office who has no idea of current dental
thinking.

Guess what? A site to sell books.

This guy is selling a special diet.

Link to a dental office in the UK which sells,,,,,,,,,,,, did you guess?   A
BOOK!!!!

Now I see why I prefer to filter ja. dre.. posts

PLEASE, any lay people reading this, understand this lady/man/posting
program refered to as ja. dre. and a bunch of numbers reminiscent of
Disney's Stitch character,,,,,, lies,,,, and tries to get you to spoil your
health and spend all your money on bogus treatment which NOT improve your health
in any way.
</quote>

6. Jan Drew works for Scientology
#################################

This is one of the examples where you can see, how Jan Drew defends Scientology.
Jan Drew CLAIMS to be interested in naturopathy, but actually Jan Drew is an
advertizing agency. Jan Drew's behavior is typical for this breed...

Example 1:
<quote>
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 21 Sep 2003 00:40:47 GMT
References: <e09b87b3b803c46a2b4615d3c7bb888f@dizum.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: "Psychbusters" = CCHR = $cientology Cult FRONT
Message-ID: <20030920204047.18243.00001203@mb-m06.aol.com>

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</quote>

Example 2:
<quote>
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 22 Sep 2003 02:51:58 GMT
References: <vms2om64d44t72@corp.supernews.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Scientology's advertising in these newsgroups
Message-ID: <20030921225158.18243.00001304@mb-m06.aol.com>

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</quote>

Example 3:
<quote>
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 22 Sep 2003 02:53:00 GMT
References: <3f6e3452.175598378@news.verizon.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: What is $cientology? - A posting by an ex-member to answer reports
of recent Scientology postings
Message-ID: <20030921225300.18243.00001305@mb-m06.aol.com>

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</quote>

Example 4:
<quote>
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 06 Oct 2003 05:29:16 GMT
References: <17u1ovg8ll08tnc3ll0r55srp7g507sngu@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Committee On House Reform - ADHD Drugs
Message-ID: <20031006012916.04714.00000519@mb-m17.aol.com>

Umm, you are seeing ADHD hearings.

Listen up, rather than the same ole same ole of the Scientology excuses.

You are an intolerant fascist bigot.
</quote>

So far for the simple cases. And now look at this one !:
(Underligns with "*" by me.)

<quote>
Lines: 59
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 07 Jan 2004 03:33:20 GMT
References: <a28lvv4cvnm7cesh0umj5cmejrv5qfad5l@4ax.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Citizens Commission on Human Rights wins award
Message-ID: <20040106223320.22060.00001329@mb-m19.aol.com>

Nope, only when you start saying hate filled ridiculous things, lke John
delights in seeing kids die.

Complete hogwash. I could hardly use anything I know nothing about.
*********************************************************************

I keep see Scientology used as a scrap goat in many discussions. I
*********************************************************************
have no knowledge of what they believe and really don't care.
*********************************************************************

It does indeed.

opinions.

Nope, I don't accept things, I know nothing about and don't care to. For some
reason Scientology keeps popping up in the discussions here, must be used as an
excuse to accept organized medicine brainwashing.

That would be a opinion.

<snip the real reason Peter replies to these kind of posts, to belittle and
insult>

Repeatedly.

Must be a sad life to be so negative and have a desire to always be putting
others down.

Jan
</quote>

The crucial part :

<quote>

Complete hogwash. I could hardly use anything I know nothing about.

I keep see Scientology used as a scrap goat in many discussions. I
have no knowledge of what they believe and really don't care.
</quote>

So Jan Drew does not care. But he defends. Defends with all his power. To defend
against all proof.

Is Jan Drew that crazy a psychpoath or is Jan Drew that crazy a pure criminal ?

Either way, Jan Drew is a danger to anybody and must be kept off the internet.

7. Jan Drew works for Hulda Clark  
#################################

In a posting dated november, 16th, 2003, Jan Drew advertizes for Hulda Clark, a
known criminal charlatan.

The "zapper" does not kill bacteria. The claims by Jan Drew are outrageous lies.

<quote>
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X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 16 Nov 2003 07:00:50 GMT
References: <Go-dnVn9E-MFgyqiRTvUqQ@speakeasy.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
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Yes, my hubby built one, then later I bought one that clips on to free up your
hands. It works for most any condition you feel coming on. It works for
parasites just as she says, it also works on my doggy. I also have no financial
interest, however I do know Hulda personally, as her son was in my daycare
years ago. She may be wrong about some things, she is 100% correct about the
teeth. She is a loving and caring very fine person.

You may be attacked, ignore them.

Jan

Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain
</quote>

And Jan Drew continues with libelling and defaming his critics.

As I said above, the "zapper" does not kill bacteria. The claims by Jan Drew are
outrageous lies. The FTC states in

  http://www.ftc.gov/os/2003/01/drclarkcmp.htm

<quote>
DEFENDANTS' VIOLATIONS OF THE FTC ACT

13. Section 5(a) of the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C. § 45(a), prohibits deceptive acts or
practices in or affecting commerce. Section 12(a) of the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C.
§ 52(a), prohibits the dissemination of any false advertisement in or affecting
commerce for the purpose of inducing, or which is likely to induce, the purchase
of food, drugs, devices or cosmetics. As set forth below, defendants have
engaged and are continuing to engage in such unlawful practices in connection
with the marketing and sale of various products, including the Super-Zapper
Deluxe, Syncrometer, the Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers,
and the Complete Herbal Parasite Program, (also called the Herbal Parasite
Cleanse).

14. Through their advertising and promotional materials, including, but not
limited to, the representations set forth in Paragraph 12, above, and through
the use of their Internet websites, "www.drclark.net" and "www.drclark.com"
defendants have represented expressly or by implication that:

a.  Use of the Super-Zapper Deluxe is effective to kill bacteria,
   viruses and parasites in the human body;
 
b.  Use of the Super-Zapper Deluxe is effective against chronic
   infections, cancer and Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome (AIDS);
 
c.  The Super-Zapper Deluxe and the Complete Herbal Parasite
   Program, are effective to cure all forms of cancer in humans;
 
d.  Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers is
   effective to cure all forms of cancer in humans;
 
e.  Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers has cured
   numerous people with advanced cases of cancer;
 
f.  The Syncrometer device is more accurate than the best testing
   methods at diagnosing all forms of disease;
 
g.  The Syncrometer device can detect the presence of any substance at
   specific points in the human body.
 
h.  The Super-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal
   Parasite Program, is effective to cure AIDS;
 
i.  The Super-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal
   Parasite Program and avoidance of pollutants, is effective to cure
   diabetes, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's, endometriosis, asthma
   and many other diseases.
 
j.  Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers and
   Super-Zapper Deluxe, when used by persons with cancer, make
   surgery and chemotherapy unnecessary.

15. Defendants did not possess and rely upon a reasonable basis that
substantiated the representations set forth in Paragraph 14, above, at the time
the representations were made. Therefore, the making of the representations set
forth in Paragraph 14, above, is deceptive and constitutes false advertising for
a food, drug or device, in violation of the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C. §§ 45(a), 52 and
55.

CONSUMER INJURY

16. As a result of defendants' unlawful acts or practices, consumers throughout
the United States have suffered and continue to suffer monetary loss and
possible injuries to their health. Defendants also have been unjustly enriched
as a result of their unlawful practices. Absent injunctive relief by this Court,
the defendants are likely to continue to injure consumers, reap unjust
enrichment and harm the public interest.

THIS COURT'S POWER TO GRANT RELIEF

17. Section 13(b) of the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C. § 53(b), authorizes this Court to
grant injunctive and other equitable relief, including consumer redress,
disgorgement and restitution, to prevent and remedy any violations of any
provision of law enforced by the Commission.
</quote>

The full text is too long to include it in this usenet posting.

Here a detail, found in
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html :

<quote>
The FTC's case was supported by three lengthy affidavits that dissected and
thoroughly debunked Hulda Clark's theories and treatments. Among other things:

  Aron Primack, M.D., a cancer specialist who is Associate Professor
  of Preventive Medicine and Biometrics at the Uniformed Services
  University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Maryland, stated
  that, Hulda Clark's books "do not provide competent and reliable
  evidence" to support her claims [19].
-->
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clarkaff/primack.html

  Peter W. Pappas, Ph.D., a prominent parasitologist and Professor
  Emeritis at the Ohio State University, stated (a) although cancer
  and AIDS are found worldwide, the parasite Clark blames for them is
  limited to South East Asia; (b) "Clark's 'case histories' represent
  an egregious example of a highly biased experimental protocol, and
  her theories are based on bad science"; and (c) "She clearly does
  not have a basic understanding of the most fundamental
  parasitological principles." [20]
-->
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clarkaff/pappas.html

  Joseph Pizzorno, N.D., the nation's top naturopath, stated that,
  "No research is presented demonstrating that the Zapper has any
  physiological effects, let alone ability to kill parasites or cure
  cancer. The claim that mild electrical shocks to the skin can
  eliminate intestinal parasites is, frankly, preposterous." [21]
-->
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clarkaff/pizzorno.html
</quote>

As you can see, Hulda Clark is a criminal. The Hulda Clark sales company was
sentenced because of the zapper stuff, the very same zapper stuff Jan Drew in
his posting claims to work.

So, for all clear to see :

 Jan Drew supports a criminal, AND Jan Drew even tells the very same
 ******************************************************************
 lies the US Court has expressively forbidden.
 *********************************************

Here is one more piece of proof that Jan Drew EXPRESSIS VERBIS (!!!) advertizes
for Hulda Clark products :

<quote>
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X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 28 Dec 2003 19:51:16 GMT
References: <3fef1b84$0$46161$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Teeth - how do I make them whiter?
Message-ID: <20031228145116.15319.00001622@mb-m12.aol.com>

I use Oregano tooth powder and liquid Peroxy, (both products from Hulda Clark)
works great.

http://www.DrClarkStore.com

Jan
</quote>

This FAQ was published several times. Jan Drew know it well. And, still, Jan
Drew continues his criminal advertizing for Hulda Clark :

<quote>
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X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 02 Mar 2004 20:28:27 GMT
References: <1b2a5a9f.0403021148.8b4425f@posting.google.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: anth and the flush
Message-ID: <20040302152827.02894.00000760@mb-m15.aol.com>

http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm

I have done this several times, it works.

Jan
</quote>

And, Jan Drew does not stop his aggressive lying :

<quote>
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X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 03 Mar 2004 04:50:51 GMT
References: <404515ed$0$1162$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: anth and the flush
Message-ID: <20040302235051.02894.00000792@mb-m15.aol.com>

YES!!! It helps you sleep and Hulda states if you do not sleep well the cleanse
won't be as successful.

Jan

</quote>

What does Jan Drew claim ?:

<quote>
YES!!! It helps you sleep and Hulda states if you do not sleep well
the cleanse won't be as successful.
</quote>

That is an unproven claim. A claim which is false. Making such claims is a
criminal deed.

Nontheless, Jan Drew, persists in writing in the net, that he does not
advertize. But here again, you can see, how Jan Drew publishes false medical
claims.

Jan Drew is part of the naturopath mafia health fraud.

Here you can read how to complain about health fraud :

  http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm

8. Rich Shewmaker: "$KaChing is Working!!"
##########################################

In his posting Rich Shewmaker explains some of the backgounds of the
"$KaChing"...

<quote>
From: "Rich Shewmaker" <rich@ilhawaii.net>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: $KaChing is Working!!
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:47:29 -1000
Message-ID: <pNScnaQ7epSuaueiXTWJhg@ilhawaii.net>

               Quackwatch            Ratbags

July            $100*                 $70
August            38                   20
September         28                   10

*donation capped  --  actual "LIAR" count was 132

For the newcomers who don't know what $KaChing is, at the beginning of July, I
proposed donating $1 to Quackwatch every time Jan called someone here a LIAR.
Her nasty habit of shouting LIAR at everyone who disagrees with her was becoming
annoying to me, and, since this is an unmoderated newsgroup where freedom of
speech applies, the only way to change this behavior was to use behavior
modification. There are no channels of positive reinforcement available, so
punishment seemed the most effective approach. Jan has expressed her hatred of
Dr. Barrett and his Quackwatch website repeatedly, thus my plan to apply a mild
punishment for her behavior. The problem is that, unlike positive reinforcement
that can be effective with a variable schedule, punishment must be consistently
meted with every infraction. Thus, the one dollar sting. A few days later, I
added a $5 sting donation to Ratbags for every time Jan brought up the tragic
death of a child to accuse Peter B. of something or other, though I've never
understood just how Jan's warped brain connected him with that case and assigned
the guilt.

Anyway, as the figures above show, the program seems to be effective. Jan even
got through the September Ritalin wars without maxing out the Quackwatch
donation. If $KaChing continues to be effective, I may add a $1 "insomnia fine"
for every time Jan does her childish "ZZZZzzzz" response.

See you next month, and thank you Mark Thorson and any others who are
participating.
</quote>

9. "The Importance of Mass Name Calling"
########################################

Jan Drew displays a fine moral. Allways nice, allways polite, always helpfull.
Unless... the truth shows up. Persons who show the real backgrounds of Jan Drew,
oh, they are REAL BAD. Jan Drew uses foul language, and says that some of his
critics are connected with Satan. Here is a collection by which Jan Drew shows
his real face...:

<quote>
Path:
news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
Lines: 40
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 10 Nov 2003 06:03:05 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: The Importance of Mass Name Calling
Message-ID: <20031110010305.12560.00000450@mb-m06.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:325036

Rich Shewmaker who has no integrity, He doesn't give a damn if all the
debunkers lie.

Richard H Jacobson, proven liar, badgerer, stalker and sad human excuse of a
human being.

Andrew Kingoff who hides behing the fake name of IIsa. Likes to deconstruct
others, has a fetish for steaming bags of feces, and pounding of sand up one's
a.s.

Peter Bowditch who isn't man of his words and a proven liar.

David Wright, grump of the year whose intent is to make others angry.

DC Sessions who acts like a spoiled brat.

Ted Nidiffer, who hides behing the name NanaWeedkiller, lackey for Barrett.

Mark Thorson who repeats himself several times a day. Known liar who has to
make retractions, another lackey for Barrett.

Mark MD whose hobby is to annoy.

Mark Probert, all of the above.

WB and Dickinson both trolls.

Joel Eichen who needs his mercury level checked, acts like a chicken with it's
head off.

Aribert Deckers, no words to describe this loon.

A sad sorry *dishonest* bunch.

Who ALL have EGO problems, push drugs and overlook all needless deaths
mistakes and FRAUD within organized medicine.

That's a FACT, Jack.
</quote>

Now, keep in mind, that Jan Drew claims to have owned a child care center. Would
you ever give a child to a person of such paranoid behavior...?

10. Deadly fraud in the healthcare system
#########################################

Jan Drew, for his crime is abusing efforts of Shawn Korrami and other honest
fighters against dental amalgam.

Jan Drew is lying by mixing up true facts with snake-oil dealer lies. This is
the way Jan Drew is disguising his real intention : to advertize quackery in
large scale.

Jan Drew is an unscrupulous liar and is misleading ill people into misery.

Here is just one example of what can happen to one who believes "persons" like
Jan Drew :

<quote>
Betroffene berichten
"Leben" mit Amalgam-Vergiftung
- und andere Dinge im Umgang mit Ärzten -
7
6.1.2002
*
(A20106)
Allzuleicht verlassen sich Kranke auf Behauptungen Anderer. Manche bezahlen
diese Gutgläubigkeit mit dem Leben.
Gerade noch mit dem Leben davongekommen, aber schwerkrank ist der arme Mann, der
mir erlaubt hat, seine Bitte um Hilfe zu
veröffentlichen.
Falls jemand etwas weiß, das ihm helfen kann: BITTE MELDEN SIE SICH!
Ill people too often believe in what others say. Many pay for this with their
life.
Having survived but severly ill, a poor man sent me this email and allowed me to
publish his request for help.

Aribert Deckers

**************************************************************************
DMSA and the DMSA-Hg complex half-life, and the normal values.

Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001
Hi!
I was looking for S. Emerson's old page - and found your mirror. If you know his
present e-mail address please forward that message
quoted below to him.
I would also be grateful if you would reply to that letter as well. Thank you!
(Name)

------- Forwarded message follows -------
Hi!
I hope that you remeber my e-mail from October 1999. I am sorry for such a long
silence, but the enormity of the disasters in my family in recent years is just
incredible.

I lost finaly my job due to the illness, and I got cerebral haemorhage on the
1st of June 2000 - for four weeks doctors were not sure if I survive, but I am
still alive as you see.

I got that cerebral haemorrage during taking of DMSA. Who knows maybe it was
involved in it? I found on that page http://www.altcorp.com/hgtoxicity.htm 
an information that DMSA can cause thrombocystosis. I was taking DMSA
produced by Fluka as a chemical reagent (>98% pure). Medical pills of DMSA were
rather too expensive for me.

I felt worse than usually when taking DMSA - is that normal reaction?

I keep my urine samples (gathered when taking DMSA) frozen in photografic film
plastic containers.

I would like to measure Hg level in it, but they (a lab in Lodz, Poland) want to
charge me for every container as for completely separated analysis, so I have to
choose just a few samples (3 or maybe 5 samples) for analysis to reduce my
expenses. They would measure it by AAS cold vapours technique.

I don't know what is metabolism and half-life of DMSA and DMSA-Hg complex in our
organisms, so I am not sure which samples to choose for analysis.
Maybe you could help me? I am attaching a word file with a table indicating when
and how much DMSA I took, and when urine samples were taken. On the last page in
that file is also a copy of my CAT scan.

Do you know what values of Hg are considered normal and what high in urine *when
taking DMSA*? I would be grateful if you would provide me with that data.

I am now on 1 year of temporary pension due to the cerebral heamorrahage, though
I have been already not able to work earlier due to Hg vapours poisoning in the
lab with severe CFIDS/ME like symptoms. This year also my grandmother had a
stroke (we don't even know for sure whether that was a bleeding stroke or not,
because doctors here stint on doing CAT scans or MRI for elderly people), and
she became left side paralysed. My mother is also not well, having very strong
headaches. We both being ill have to take care alone about my paralysed
grandmother - it is very exhausting, and often we also cannot sleep at night
because of her (she often doesn't sleep all night long talking often without
much sense to herself - that's another result of the  stroke). Doctors here are
not helpful at all, they would rather want us all to die, so that we would not
bother them again. And what are the conditions and treatment in our hospitals is
a subject for yet another long horror story.

We just live in hell on Earth.

We would like to move out from here to another country, but that's not easy
without any help from outside.

I'll better finish here.

Hope to hear from you soon.
Best wishes

[Name)
------ End of forwarded message -------
*
hier geht's weiter !
[ Das Amalgam-Zentrum ]
Copyright © 2000 - 2002
Aribert Deckers
and
Copyright © 2000 - 2002
Antares Real-Estate
Jegliche Weiterverwendung der Texte der Amalgam-Page ist verboten.
Verlage dürfen sich wegen der Nachdruckrechte per Email an mich wenden.
Aribert Deckers
</quote>

People like Jan Drew are responsible for the fate of victims like
this ill man.

Jan Drew is a damned shame for the human race.

11. Jan Drew and the Attack on the WTC,
#######################################
   Jan Drew's Antisemitism
#######################################

In a posting, dated november, 12th. 2003, Mr. Rich shows Jan Drew's antisemitism

<quote>
From: Rich<,@.>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Jan Drew, lowest of lows (Was Re: A message to a sick son of a bitch.!)
Message-ID: <i4d3rv4dtdbha0h08phoobcgrvl7mosi27@4ax.com>
References: <E26sb.7041$aT.3016@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
<20031111225707.14053.00000043@mb-m15.aol.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 04:28:50 GMT

Jan is one to talk about how low one can go defend  her enablers. The
following is an antisemitic rant made by one of Jan's enablers. Read
the post and then read Jan's comment following it if you want to read
the lowest of lows:

Debbee1023 says:

Jan the despicable antisemite agrees:

So there you have it. Jan Drew agrees with Hitler's plan to
exterminate millions of Jews simply because of their religion. And Jan
Drew calls herself a Christian. Lord have mercy.

What would Jesus (a jew) have to say about Jan Drew endorsing someone
who said that Hitler was right about the Jews. Jan may find out on
judgment day.

Aloha,

Rich

------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance.
</quote>

Here are some more pieces, collected by Mark Thorson :

<quote>
Message-ID: <402EE261.D2CEF893@sonic.net>
From: Mark Thorson <nospam@sonic.net>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Jan's hatred for Jews
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:05:06 GMT

Here is a short collection of Jan's comments about Jews
in misc.health.alternative in postings she's made in the
past year.  I put line breaks between comments made
in different postings, and in some cases removed line
breaks when lines appeared together in the same posting.
In some cases I inserted or removed line breaks to avoid
line wrapping. I did not, however, change or remove
parts of any sentences (as Jan often does, to change
their meaning).  These are all complete, original
statements made by Jan.

------- begin collection of Jan's comments on Jews -------

Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
(they are the ones who have told the group) with the
exception of IIena, they have proven themselves
to be  liars, deceitful and insulters.

Furthmore, I called Andrew Kingoff a Jew Boy when
he posted the stupid blasphemy of the 10 commandments
here on the ng.

That's because most every atheist and jew here
has INDEED lied. They know it,
yet they cover for each other.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
(who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need
to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their
ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO
are lead by Satan.

The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
who LIE through their tetth, do nothing
but belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists or jews.

I repeat:
The debubnker's here are atheist or jews.

No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived
as Eve was when Satan debunked
God's word.
That was the start of debunking.
Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried
to debunk his words, and even
debunked his miracles whch happened right
before their eyes.

Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works,
and now debunking and lies are second
nature to them. That is how Satan works.

Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
with hate.

It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even
for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way
involved.
</quote>

And some more :

<quote>
Message-ID: <402EE267.AA17E28B@sonic.net>
From: Mark Thorson <nospam@sonic.net>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Jan's other hatreds
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:05:11 GMT

Here is a short collection of Jan's comments about
Catholics, gays, and atheists in postings she's made
in misc.health.alternative in the past year.  I put line
breaks between comments made in different postings,
and in some cases removed line breaks when lines
appeared together in the same posting.  In some
cases I inserted or removed line breaks to avoid line
wrapping. I did not, however, change or remove
parts of any sentences (as Jan often does, to change
their meaning).  These are all complete, original
statements made by Jan.

------- Jan speaking about Catholics -------

Sadly praying to saints comes from Satan.

He is so desperate he is even praying to St Jude
(rather than God though his son Jesus) that
something will happen to me so I can't post.

------- Jan speaking about atheists -------

Go away Mr MD condescending atheist.

The reason you are an atheist is because Satan
has convinced you.

Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
(they are the ones who have told the group)
with the exception of IIena, they have proven
themselves to be  liars, deceitful and insulters.

That's because most every atheist and jew here
has INDEED lied. They know it, yet they cover
for each other.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
(who falsely believe they are enlightened) and
need to have an argument going, thinking they
can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is
said, and IMHO are lead by Satan.

The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
who LIE through their tetth, do nothing but
belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists
or jews.

I repeat:
The debubnker's here are atheist or jews.

---- Jan using slurs against real or imagined gays ----

Rich is filled with hate and is a sicko, just like Andrew.
Plus they both are very odd,  and *queer*.

In your queer mind.
In fact NOTHING you said was true.

Killfile them both is the only answer.
They are both quite *queer*.

They are here because they are both frustrated.
Both are rather queer.

Notice how none of the debunkers have
anything to say about Andrew Kingoff's
*queer* statements?

Me thinks you are acting very queer.

That's Andrew Kingoff, known liar,
despicable hate filled *queer* person.

Rich just doesn't notice Andrew Kingoff's
lies or his professional manner.
They are both rather queer.

How sad.
And STUPID.
And QUEER.

Making up queer stories Eric???????

And woo woo.
And Queer.
</quote>

Here a posting by Jan Drew, dated Feb, 21st., 2004 :

<quote>
Lines: 95
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 21 Feb 2004 02:32:42 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: The Truth Causes Unrest To The Guilty
Message-ID: <20040220213242.12315.00000073@mb-m02.aol.com>

It is always OK to post the truth.

True

True

We have seen every single Jew here lie, but it isn't limited to them.

True

They keep bringing it up, that is the basis for what I see.

When noone here was in any way >involved."

True

He has deceived them into believing Jesus Christ wasn't God's son.

That's correct. Some of them are my opinion which I stated, the rest are facts.

They did and do that all by themselves. Indeed they are not to be trusted. They
lie and the rest swear to it. They make false claims and can't prove them when
asked, because they make things up.

I have stated what is my opinion, the rest are facts.

Not the issue..

Wrong. Satan was the first liar, it progressed from there.

All the liies told here that I caught have been proven with the poster's own
words.

Since you are new here,, you have no clue.

Jan
</quote>

Jan Drew says :
<quote>
We have seen every single Jew here lie, but it isn't limited to them.
</quote>

And this is only one of thousands of cases where Jan Drew rages his erratic
psyche into the internet...

One more of these thousands of hate postings by Jan Drew :

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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 22 Feb 2004 01:42:34 GMT
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Subject: Re: Pathetic
Message-ID: <20040221204234.20451.00000208@mb-m28.aol.com>

PATHETIC!!! Those who have had success with alternative medicine have been
called everything. The current buzz expression is *anti-semtic*

Coming from a mentally ill man who has had a pattern of abuse toward anyone who
has used alternative medicine. That pattern is so sick, he nuked his posts,
hoping poeple could not see it. However, they are in others' posts which he
can't control and shows an exact pattern. He is so sick, he used ill and even
dead parents to belittle. Now he has the gall to speak of reprehensive
statements.

Furthermore he hasn't said a word about Andrew Kingoff's despicable posts.

Transference of his exact weakness couldn't be any clearer.

Rich fears for his life, there are soooo many anti-semites here on this news
group, it is a dangerous place to be!!!!! Talk about desperation. Run for your
life!!!!!!!!!!!

Pathetic Paranoia!!!!!!

The truth is:

Rich has run evey single person off this newsgroup by using these tactics
except me. It is eating him up that he has failed and can not run me off.

is the reason why the alties here won't take their less enlightened
comrades to task when they start making bigoted and anti-Semitic

You are so very very transparent, When are YOU going to take Andrew Kingoff to
task for all his despicable posts? As in John sodomizing a nativity scene and
fathering a sheep??! Or Richard H Jaconson's pattern of abusing any and all
people who have used alternative medicine with success, EVEN to the point of
using ill and EVEN dead parent to belittlle?!?!

WHEN are you going to do that Orac??????

Perhaps it is because I like to look for the best in people
until I see definitive evidence that I should not.

WOW!!!!!!!!!! Do show us where you have looked for the best in alt. believing
people.

However, I agree that
it is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain this positive view in
the face of so much silence about the blatant anti-Semitism a few of the
alties here voice and in the face of some rather rabid defenses of one
of them.

This blatant so called anti-semitism is a response of the *gang* who can NOT
stand the truth.

You are replying to Rich, and he is a pathetic liar. That has been shown aver
and over. He even lies about his name.

False claims run like water here, when asked to copy and paste, the come back
is, *it was my impressiom* . The is NO copy and paste there is only opinion of
how statements were read.

To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those who practice lying is
NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH
AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.

Example:

Jan Drew says that it is not right for Jews to talk about the

disgusting bigot.

*Jews should go to some other newsgroup*

Is NOT saying it is not right for Jews to talk about the holocaust.

Further more what I said was:

I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away.

Then she   blames Jews

his

Bullshit you  liar. Here is EXACTLY what you said (cut and pasted):

NOT ONE WORD OF BLAMING THE JEWS FOR ANY CRIMES OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.

True. Not one word of blame crimes for thousands of years aso.

True. Nor one word of blame for crimes of thousands of years ago.

This is yet ANOTHER example of the LYING here, and Rich's desperation and
losing his temper, because the man is sick and has a control problem.

Ye good ole boy and girl club is still alive.

It iis very transparent and pathetic.

Jan
</quote>

These are Jan Drew's exact words :

<quote>
To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH
AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.
</quote>

Another collection. Sorry, if there are doubles...

<quote>
From: "Nana Weedkiller" <nanaweedkiller@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,sci.environment,alt.support.breast-implant
Subject: Re: OT:  Serious Question for Ilena Rosenthal...
Message-ID: <iuv_b.63$Xv2.5@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:51:58 GMT

So now, Jan dear, just between us girls; how many pieces of silver
did you donate to the floundation to buy her defense of your anti-semitism
and jew baiting? Here's a list of your words in case her memory
betrays her.

"There is an EXCELLENT example of one hate filled jew (on this ng)."

"I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away.
Start with Matt: 27 "

"Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
(they are the ones who have told the group) with the
exception of IIena, they have proven themselves
to be  liars, deceitful and insulters."

"Furthmore, I called Andrew Kingoff a Jew Boy when
he posted the stupid blasphemy of the 10 commandments
here on the ng."

"That's because most every atheist and jew here
has INDEED lied. They know it,
yet they cover for each other."

"The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
(who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need
to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their
ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO
are lead by Satan."

"The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
who LIE through their tetth, do nothing
but belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists or jews."

"I repeat:
The debubnker's here are atheist or jews."

"No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived
as Eve was when Satan debunked God's word.
That was the start of debunking.
Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried
to debunk his words, and even
debunked his miracles whch happened right
before their eyes."

"Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works,
and now debunking and lies are second
nature to them. That is how Satan works."

"Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews."

"It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
with hate."

"It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even
for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way
involved."
</quote>

12. Jan Drew's religious paranoia
#################################

Jan Drew abuses the name of God. Jan Drew, who insults, lies, belittles,
defames, this very Jan Drew claims to be a Christian ... and accuses others of
being Satan's ... well, whatever...

The following posting is a clear case of manifest paranoia :

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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 15 Mar 2004 21:03:05 GMT
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Subject: Re: Poor Mark Thorson
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Still yacking, still angry with Jan because he lied and he knows it. He got
caught up in sayng the original would prove he did not lie, except he can't
post it. Wouldn't ya think he would be eager to prove he didn't lie.???

The lies keep adding up, so he tries to trash Jan.

He failed as what he posted is the truth, which he falsely calls unhealthy
obssession.

Now for the truth.

Are all the atheists here, who have been decived by Satan.
Some choosing lifestyles that are condemned in the bible.

It is pathetic and evil to not care one bit for suffering people,
because of ego, and is certainly wthout a doubt led by Satan.

This is all done in an effort to LEAVE the lies alone.
And in fact is led by Satan.

I truly believe it is the work of Satan.
They know they are lying, and it is plain to see,  It appears to me
that Satan has hardened their hearts so much they don't even care.
The bible speaks of the evils of the last days, from what I have
witnessed here, organized medicine is one of the huge evils.

More atheists know it all insulting attitude.
Taught by Satan.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews, (who falsely believe
they are enlightened) and need to have an argument going, thinking
they can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and
IMHO are lead by Satan.

Satan has them fooled, just as he did EVE.

I am sorry Eric, but your choice of likestyle is displeasing in God's
sight, and is not how he created man. It is a product of Satan.

Furthermore you can see what a number Satan has done on the
cranky bitches, who brag about it, the bold faced liars and those
who make up LIES, like you. It is noted you couldn't back up your
false claim about what I said. The posters here whose sole purpose
is to protect their EGO. And all love and concern is gone, replaced
with hatred, belittling and making fun of others.

No, I find it as it was from the beginning of time, when Satan
debunked God's word.

Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works, and now debunking and
lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works.
</quote>

13. The "Jew boy" case
#######################

Trying to find the original posting by Jan Drew with his attacks,
calling someone "jew boy", I found 2 postings missing in my "Agent"
archive file. Seems as if somebody cancelled them before I could
download them with "Agent" in those days.
I do not know, who is responsible for these postings being cancelled,
but I think, that pieces of proof like these should be made public.

So, I herewith to public show these 2 pieces of proof, as can be found
with Google :

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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 02 May 2002 19:59:32 GMT
References: <20020502140729.27680.00006101@mb-fs.aol.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
Message-ID: <20020502155932.08640.00006955@mb-cp.aol.com>

Please stay clear of

Southern Acupuncture Inc.
     
 I.L.S.A.

1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A

Wilmington, NC

910-799-5777

Jan
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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 04 May 2002 04:35:36 GMT
References: <20020503231752.05277.00006469@mb-co.aol.com>
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Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
Message-ID: <20020504003536.28298.00007240@mb-fe.aol.com>

Little do you know anything about the *10 Commandments* Jew Boy.

Please stay clear of

Southern Acupuncture Inc.

        I.L.S.A.

1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A

Wilmington, NC

910-799-5777
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14. Jan Drew, the stalker
#########################

The work of Jan Drew consists of several parts :

- to seed hatred against scientific medicine

- to make people believe that naturopath stuff works

- to make people believe that they should jump on the alledged
 band-waggon of naturopathy

- seed fear

- to advertizing in large scale for naturopath web-sites

But, as there are critics, Jan Drew is faced with critic. How does Jan Drew deal
with critic ?

Does Jan Drew bring real facts ? No. Of course not. Why not ? Because what Jan
Drew advertizes for is bogus stuff, like the "Hulda Clark Zapper" (see in this
FAQ). So, Jan Drew uses several rhetorical tricks, like :

- Jan Drew does not answer.

- Jan Drew dumps tons of rubbish into the usenet to drown people.

- Jan Drew asks questions which are not part of the discussion.

- Jan Drew claims to have people killfiled, so that he could not
 have seen their critic.

 Mr. Mark Probert has blown that foul defence to pieces by using
 new names and email addresses every other day.

- Jan Drew insults.

- Jan Drew lies.

- Jan Drew brings up personal affairs of critics. Like he
 criticises that

  "Rich has never mentioned having a real job or family"

the last point is one of many which can be seen in the following posting by Jan
Drew :

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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 27 Dec 2003 01:36:27 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Why Is Richard H Jacobson Obsessed wth Jan?
Message-ID: <20031226203627.14167.00001857@mb-m28.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:331954

I thought I would begin a discussion about the dynamics of Rich's
obsession with Jan. It is pretty obvious that he wants to
demonize Jan as he obsessively posts his diagnosis of her, which is nothing new
as he has a long pattern of the same with others.
Of course any efforts to discuss whether Jan had Mercury Poisoning and
Peripheral Neuropathy will be met with personal insults. Funny how Rich
believes Jan has PN but not MP.

So instead of trying to discuss this issue with Richard H Jacobson I thought I
would share my thoughts about the dynamics behind his obsession.

Wonder why he lies about his name?

Wonder why he could never answer Bubba's questions?

Wonder why Ka&g ended up in his killfile. (for those who don't know, she had a
nack of putting him in his place and he can't stand that)

Rich has never mentioned having a real job or family, it is known he leads
nukie hikes and by his own admission he watches others do what comes naturally.
Perhaps he has sexual problems, that might explain his obsessive hatred. He
must be jealous of other people's happy families and sexual fullfillment as he
must settle for just watching.

I caution people not to trust the
perceptions of Richard H Jacobson He has a big axe to grind with anyone who has
used alternative medicine with success. He badgers them, asked for their
medical records and states any success is placebo. He calls thems liars, while
he lies. He is so ate up with his obsession, he will make comments using ill
and even dead parents to belittle the person. Other times he belittle them by
using their husband.

I speculate that Richard H Jacobson has had many problems dealing with close
relationships and fear something in his childhood has left it's mark on him.
Therefore, he transferees his every weakness to others. and has an insane drive
to put others down, perhaps to build himself up because of low self esteem,

The reason he had these problems is because of the nature of his
psychopathology. However his narcissism will not permit him to even
consider that he may have had some role in his dysfunctional family as a child.


So he blames others for many of the problems that he can not bring himself to
deal with. He talks out of both sides of his mouth, showing his problems as he
transferees them to others.

So now in an effort to make his life in bearable, he constantly is diagnosing
others while saying one should not diagnose over the net. Perhaps he flunked
out of med school also?? His personality is so damaged he can't get along with
others, so he has to settle for leading nudie hikes.
His seems to be  incapable of accepting personal responsibility for the
failures, and incapabe of KNOWING WHEN TO SHUT UP.

Wonder why he nuked his posts??

Wonder why he stated MHA was a discussion group, but HE prefered to talk about
whether Jan had mercury poisoning. Why is that so important to him? Why is he
still yacking about it three years later??

Is he looking for approval *here* because it is lacking in his life??

Wonder why he is so obsessed, he prays to Saint Jude that something will happen
to Jan that will cause her to stop posting. Hmm, must be because he has FAILED
at running her off, like he did so many.

Jan

PS: Ducking while awaiting Rich's gratuitous bashing of me by posting
out of context statements from years ago that have absolutely nothing
to do with anything other than Richard H Jacobson's narcissistic rage.
------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------

.
</quote>

Well, I did not take anything of Jan Drew's posting out of context. I show you
the full posting as it can be found in the net. As it was written by Jan Drew.

Be carefull dealing with Jan Drew. One of his tricks is to insult until the
victim fights back by insulting. THESE insults Jan Drew then will point to, and
claim that the victim is the REAL oppressor and attacker.

You know what ?: That is a $cientology trick. As you can see in this FAQ, Jan
Drew defends $cientology. Now count 1 + 1 together...  

Jan Drew advertizes for quackery which is sold by $cientologists. Now count 1 +
1 together...  

15. Jan Drew insults, defames, libels...
########################################

These are only some few examples of MANY, MANY, MANY postings where Jan Drew
insults other participants in the news-groups :

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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 21 Feb 2004 04:57:03 GMT
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Thanks Anth. Happy has a screw loose.

Jan
</quote>

16. Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams
##############################################################

Are Jan Drew's claims true ? Here is a differing opinion.

(I mounted the quotes with the original FULL texts included. Please note, that,
by mounting the texts, the quotation marks differ.)

<quote>
From: Rich<,@.>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams
Message-ID: <npscrvgnq2sd0ojuk6qkrcthcplg1hj4fq@4ax.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:43:19 GMT

As regular readers of this newsgroup know, there is a poster Jan Drew
who obsessively posts about how she nearly died of mercury poisoning
secondary to amalgams. She claims that the removal of several amalgams
saved her life.

But Jan lied several times regarding her amalgam history in order to
deceive others that she really had mercury poisoning when what she
actually had was a deterioration in her preexisting illness
(peripheral neuropathy) secondary to psychologic factors (worrying
obsessively about having mercury poisoning due to reading about it in
Hulda Clark book). She also had a dramatic improvement due to
psychologic factors (relief that the removal of amalgams eliminated
the mercury poisoning).

Now Jan drew ADMITTED in HER OWN WORDS that the reason she went from
thinking that she was dying of mercury poisoning one day and feeling
better than she had the next day within hours of having some amalgams
removed was completely due to relief. Now I will allow Jan Drew to
tell you her in own words that her improvement was due to relief:

Here are her exact words posted on June 18th, 1999 to usenet

[QUOTE, mounted]

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output=gplain

From: jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)
Subject: Re: Any comments on this explanation for allergy? (yes, of course :)
Date: 1999/06/18
Message-ID: <19990618194417.11038.00000497@ng-fm1.aol.com>#1/1
References: <Hgva3.195$301.690@nntpserver.swip.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Newsgroups: alt.health.dental-amalgam
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I have been reading this thread. I have peripheral neuropathy. I have found a
dentist (alternative) who knows that mercury amalgams are very dangerous. They
can cause all manner of things. He will remove them and put in composities. I
have just had 3/4 of mine remover. The others will come out in a few weeks,
along with the one root canal, which will be extracted.

If an individual has read on this subject and is knowledgable, he will take
care of you.

He has written "Tooth Truth and tells it like it is. He tells how the ADA has
covered up this problem.

So, it is just a matter of finding the right dentist. He has people flying in
from all over to get the work done.

I believe the mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better today that
I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to getting the rest of the
mercury out and the root canal pulled.

Jan
</quote>
[/QUOTE]

And now the admission that this improvement was due to relief:

Here are her exact words:

[QUOTE, mounted]

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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 30 Dec 2000 04:24:15 GMT
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Rich for the LAST time, I said I felt better than I had in two years. That was
very true. I had been very very ill and my health was deteriorating fast. After
much reading and research I was convinced it was my teeth. I wasn't absolutely
positivity 100% sure, but it all fit together and I knew I had to do something.
It wasn't easy, what if it didn't work? That was very stressful.

Finally all the work was done, the metal was out, the bill was paid, I didn't
have to sit in the dentist chairs for hours with a rubber dam in my
mouth!!!!!!!!!! Of course I was very relieved. A big big burden was lifted.
That makes one FEEL BETTER.

What's so hard to understand?

I also reported I had only begun, now on to chelating the mercury from my body.
With mercury poisoning, it comes and goes, I had some pretty bad spells. I'm
still chelating Rich and will be for some time. I slowly am regaining my health
and my PN is much better. I don't have the painful periods that I once had, and
yes it was after I started taking medication.

You added a few words to what I said  which *implied* that I was physicially
free from pain..........as in BANG I'm home free. That is NOT what I
meant.............and you know it.

Now do you better understand?  I hope so because I feel no need to explain it
AGAIN. Please respect that I didn't have to explain AGAIN this time.

Jan
</quote>
[/QUOTE]

All the work was done??? A lie. The work was not completed until weeks
later. Jan Drew even posted that her dental work was not done until
July 11, 1999.

And now for more lies. Jan Drew told two egregious lies that were told
solely to deceive people into thinking that she really had mercury
poisoning.

The first is on June 26 ,1999 just a week after she had eight amalgams
removed. She claimed that ALL her feet pain went away and she was able
to go out line dancing because she was no longer getting a daily dose
of mercury. This is a complete lie and Jan knew it. On June 26, 1999
Jan still had more amalgams to be removed and they would not be
removed until July 11, 1999 by Jan's own admission. You see Jan has
difficulty keeping her lies straight.

But let us have Jan Drew tell us in her own words:

[QUOTE, mounted]

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output=gplain

From: jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)
Subject: Re: Chronic constipation
Date: 1999/06/26
Message-ID: <19990626122727.19238.00001294@ng-fl1.aol.com>#1/1
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9906261113290.23596-100000@aloha.cc.columbia.edu>
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X-Admin: news@aol.com

you

You are way off base here. I didn't say I was instantly cured. The detoxing
that I have done is a major factor in my recovery. Yes, I will continue to do
it for quite some time to remove the mercury from my body. I am feeling much
better, because I am not receiving a new dose of mercury each day. The
elimination of 8 mercury amalgams has made a difference. Nothing psychosomatic
about it.

It does? My recent attemp to smear Texans? Now, please tell me, do you believe
that people who like line dancing are stupid? Please explain your remark. You
are a country musician, you can't see people truly enjoying themselves while
line dancing? It was the first time I have been in a long, long time. I do not
even know how, I have watched, but my feet stopped me from learning. I was so
thankful to be back and tried a few lessons, THANK GOD, my feet didn't hurt!  I
felt alive again. What a blessing!

Just as I thought that I knew you, you have really thrown me here. Please
explain.

Jan
[/QUOTE]

Nothing psychosomatic about it?!!?!?!?!?!?!? It was completely
psychosomatic. Jan Drew's mercury level at the time she made this
statement was the highest in her life since she had eight amalgams
removed over a two day period only a week before.

The second lie is when she posted to sci.med.dentisty that the reason
she knows that it was the mercury in her mouth that caused her health
problems was because she did not *begin* to regain her health until
*after* the mercury level dropped. Not only is this a complete lie and
Jan knows it but the complete opposite is true.

Jan Drew began to regain her health when her mercury level was the
highest in her entire life. That is right. When Jan Drew reported
dramatic improvement in her health (ie better than she felt in two
years, and being able to line dance due to all the pain gone) her
mercury level had not dropped and was likely the highest in her life
because this improvement occurred from hours to a week after her
amalgams were removed.

The reason that alternative dentists recommend slow removal of
amalgams (some as posted by Jan Drew suggest removing no more than one
amalgam every three months) is because the removal of the amalgams
results in vaporization of mercury which even with perfect protocol
will result in absorption into the body of large amounts of mercury.

So on June 18 and 19, 1999 Jan had eight amalgams removed. On June 19,
1999 Jan said she felt better than she had in two years.

On June 26, 1999 Jan said that she was able to go out line dancing
because all her foot pain was gone. Of course the pain only was gone
for a short time because it was likely a placebo effect due to her
RELIEF that the mercury was coming out of her mouth. Just like she
felt better than she did in two years due to relief (by her OWN
admission) she was able to go out line dancing a week later when the
absorption of mercury into her tissues from blood likely resulted in
the highest level in her life.

But Jan said that she knows it was the metal in her mouth because she
did not BEGIN to regain her health until AFTER her mercury level
dropped. A complete lie and the pathologic liar Jan Drew knows it.
This is why she kill filed me. This is why she lies about me being a
liar and a stalker. Jan Drew knows that I exposed her lies and she
refuses to admit it. She is a despicable human being whose sole
purpose in life is to shill for alternative dentists and to perpetuate
the lie that she had mercury poisoning from amalgams. She did not and
the proof is in her own words.

Jan Drew will not respond to any of the points in this post. Instead
she will pretend she is not reading them and then personally attack me
in order to discredit me. Just watch.

That's a wrap.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance.
</quote>

17. The foul language of Jan Drew
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True. There is no Jan Drew scam. There is no advertising from me.

Neither do I know Chuck other than by his posts here.

Jan
</quote>

Jan Drew admits to post material into the net.
**********************************************

This way Jan Drew is advertizing. Jan Drew just does not call it
advertizing. Jan Drew's denial does not make the advertizing no
advertizing. Jan Drew's denial shows his pathologic character.

Jan Drew is a naturopath mafia advertizing agency and as such his
words are rhetoric warfare.

Because that is the game --- as Jan Drew persuades people to go to
charlatans and quacks.

18. Jan Drew's rhetorical warfare
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As you have seen above, Jan Drew DOES advertize by posting material which is
CONTRA scientific medicine and PRO naturopath mafia stuff. In the following
posting by Nana Weedkiller you see the relevant points clearly :

<quote>
From: "Nana Weedkiller" <nanaweedkiller@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: Re Complementary Medicine Grows By Leaps & Bounds
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:53:08 GMT

"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message

place

I thought I might help you out a little to remind you of what
you've stated. No need to thank me.

Message-ID: <20010622175838.08906.00000460@ng-fs1.aol.com>

"...when one has exhausted the
conventional route and found no answers, they turn to alternative medicine.
Many have found the answer been treated and are regaining their health. It's
called RESULTS."

Message-ID: <20021206010259.28350.00000264@mb-ca.aol.com>

"Or one can turn to alternative medicine and find an answer,,,,,,,,,,,,and
that
is WHY one half of people are turning to alternative medicine."

Message-ID: <20020728040519.09915.00000985@mb-bg.aol.com>

"ONE of the MAIN reasons people turn to alternative medicine, is because
conv. medicine HAS NO ANSWERS,,,,,,,,,,,,"

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"Defects of conventional medicine are just one more reason to turn to
alternative medicine, and stay OUT of hospitals."

Message-ID: <20030801013939.10372.00000735@mb-m05.aol.com>

"Furthmore, have you any clue as to WHY people are turning to alternative??

BECASE THEY ARE DISSATIFIED WITH CONVENTIONAL MEDIC!NE!!!"

Message-ID: <20001229193651.11785.00004861@ng-mm1.aol.com>

"When conv. has no answers, it's time to turn to
alternative. Many are finding answers and treatment that is working."

Message-ID: <20010108163856.21738.00000544@ng-cp1.aol.com>

"And many times they get NO diagnoses because it isn't in the recipe book.
Many
people turn to alternative because conv. has no answers."

Message-ID: <20020603161723.11851.00002263@mb-fs.aol.com>

"Their *real* doctor? The reason most people are turning to AM is because
their
conv. doctor has NO answers, because REAL conditions are being denied."

Message-ID: <20030209211437.06772.00000577@mb-cv.aol.com>

"In many cases conv. medicine has no answers, that's because many *real*
diseases are denied.

People tuurn to alternative to get to the *root* of the problem."

Message-ID: <20031124001253.17304.00000775@mb-m19.aol.com>

"You will find that most people are turning to alternative because
conventional
medicine has no answers."
</quote>

The naturopath mafiosi always invite the scientific medicine to cooperate with
them. But the naturopath mafia seeds hatred against scientific medicine
whereever possible.

There will NEVER be any kind of cooperation, as it is the naturopath mafia which
wants to rule the world ALONE, and may it cost the life of all patients.

19. Children die because of criminals like Jan Drew
###################################################

  On 11 Oct 2003 05:35:32 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
  >This is truly evil.
  >
  >Jan

This is a report from WHO in 1997 :

http://www.who.int/child-adolescent-health/New_Publications/IMCI/fs_180.htm
<quote>
"Measles

The problem: Despite the major impact made on this disease by successful
immunization programmes, measles infects over 40 million children and kills
over 800,000 under-fives each year. That translates to 2,000 deaths of young
children every day from measles, often in association with diarrhoea and
pneumonia.
IMCI solution: Young children with measles often develop acute respiratory
infections, diarrhoea and malnutrition, and children who survive measles are
more vulnerable to other dangerous infections for several months afterwards.
Trained health workers learn to recognize the complications of measles that they
can treat and those that need rapid referral for more specialized treatment."
</quote>

What is more evil than to kill children ?

Children die. They die because they have not been vaccinated. They die because
of infections which they could have survived if they had been vaccinated.

And Jan Drew persuades people NOT to have their children vaccinated...

Jan Drew denies that he is against vaccination, but here are pieces of proof :

[long, but with reason not abridged]

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You forgot the "once upon a time" at the start and "they lived happily ever
after" at the end...

The lack

??????? There are very reliable tests for mercury level and very clear
sysmptoms associated with certain levels of mercury in the body...where
have these guys been??

The author of this drivel is...Ingri Cassel, Director of a group called
"Vaccination Liberation"

Their mission is:

Mission Statement:
To reveal the myth that vaccines are safe and effective
To preserve our right to abstain
To repeal all compulsory vaccination laws nationwide
To expand our awareness of alternatives in healthcare
For further information contact:

Perhaps they should add...to return us to the dark ages when millions died
from illneses that are now unheard of. I hear they want to bring back the
use of trephining as well! Sounds like a real forward thinking group!

next

T
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Always a smart remark of diversion.

http://proliberty.com/observer/20020608.htm

The lack

No, you are wrong. The normal 24 hour urine test will not show mercury deeply
embedded in tissue.

So???

For further information contact:

A very good mission.

Interest in eliminating all forms of mercury.

From the June 2002 Idaho Observer:
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Mercury Amalgams:

Do you still have a mouth full of them?

by Ingri Cassel

After two of my dear friends were plagued with health problems that were only
minimized by natural healing programs, it was discovered that they were both
suffering from acute systemic mercury poisoning and the main source of this
insidious poison was in their mouth.

Both of these women have a mouthful of aging mercury amalgams. It has been
shown that mercury is continually released from mercury dental fillings in the
form of mercury vapor and abraded particles.

This process is further stimulated and can be increased as much as 15-fold by
simply chewing, brushing teeth, hot drinks and even swishing your mouth with a
solution of hydrogen peroxide (used to reduce dental plaque.)

What we have been lead to believe are “silverâ€? dental amalgams actually
contain 48-55 percent mercury, 33-35 percent silver and various amounts of
copper, tin, zinc and other metals. For decades the American Dental Association
has steadfastly maintained that the mercury in dental amalgams is bound to the
other metals in such a way that the mercury could not possibly escape.

However the ADA's assumption was proven wrong in 1985 when two researchers
demonstrated that the air inside a mercury amalgam filled mouth continually
contained elemental mercury vapor, and the dynamic of chewing increased this
vapor level substantially.

Mercury is extremely poisonous, accumulating over time in the various tissues
of the body, particularly the brain and kidneys. Published research from two
scientists at Utah State University shows that mercury is more toxic than lead,
cadmium and even arsenic. Even world regulatory agencies such as the World
Health Organization (WHO) have stated that the smallest amount of mercury that
will not cause damage is unknown.

In fact, the WHO recently concluded that the daily intake of mercury from
amalgam dental fillings exceeded the combined daily intake of mercury derived
from air, water and food (including fish).

In human autopsy studies it has been found that there is a direct correlation
between the amount of mercury found in the brain and the number and surfaces of
mercury fillings in the mouth. Recent scientific research has shown high levels
of mercury in the brains of Alzheimer's disease victims. Furthermore,
laboratory studies of spinal fluid from both Lou Gehrig's disease and
Alzheimers's disease patients have confirmed the presence of high levels of
mercury that inhibit key brain detoxification systems.

Despite these findings, the American Dental Association and various agencies in
the U.S. government still support the use of mercury amalgam dental fillings.
They claim that they are safe based on 150 years of use and that there is no
scientific proof showing mercury exposure from dental fillings causes any known
disease.

“In 1988 scrap dental amalgam was declared a hazardous waste material by the
Environmental Protection Agency... Once a doctor removes an amalgam and places
it in a tray, it once again becomes a hazardous waste material. I ask the
reader -- what is it about the mouth that makes this same item non-toxic? Or is
it possible that the mouths of some 80 percent of Americans with amalgam
fillings are in actuality toxic waste dumps?� ~Sandra Denton, M.D., from The
Mercury Cover-Up in the June, 1989 edition of Health Consciousness magazine.

This well referenced article also brings up the fact that dentists have the
highest suicide and divorce rate among professionals. And dental personnel have
a higher spontaneous abortion rate, a higher incidence of premature labor and
infertility, and an elevated incidence of perinatal mortality. But how do we
know this is due to the constant low levels of mercury to which they are
exposed?

This brings us to the problem of detecting mercury toxicity in humans: The lack
of adequate diagnosis and testing available. Symptoms may vary due to
biochemical individuality. There are also different degrees of intoxication
from the same amount of mercury levels.

“Maryâ€? had such high levels of mercury in her system that our dentist, Dr.
Armand DeFelice, told her that he had never seen such high levels of mercury in
a person that didn't have multiple sclerosis or some other debilitating
auto-immune disorder.

Some of the more common symptoms of mercury toxicity are anemia, anorexia,
chronically low body temperature, bronchitis, colitis, high blood pressure, low
blood sugar, irritability, fatigue, gingivitis, mouth sores, bleeding gums,
headaches, visual changes, insomnia, depression, stomach pains, allergic
reactions, joint pains, trembling and loss of appetite.

The problem is that most people have several of these health problems and would
not necessarily connect it to mercury poisoning. But with at least 85 percent
of the American population having mercury amalgams in their mouth, and most of
these having at least 10 mercury amalgam fillings, the mercury link to
ill-health becomes that much more obvious.

Another reason for concern is that for the past 20 years, the most popular
mercury filling has been the “high copperâ€? amalgam that boasts 30 percent
copper. Scientific studies have proven that the new high copper fillings
release mercury (and copper) at a rate 50 times faster than the pre-1980
amalgams.

With all the media stories out now on the pervasiveness of mercury in our
environment, it is imperative that we look into our mouths since our fillings
will likely be the main source of our own mercury toxicity.

What is even more convincing is the stories of people who have had their
amalgams replaced with a more biocompatible composite. Chronic health problems
disappear and many claim there is a new level of clarity in their thinking that
they hadn't had.

But the system for removing and replacing amalgams is not a simple one. Often
the plastic composite materials used to replace the filling is nearly as toxic
to a chemically sensitive person as the mercury amalgam was.

According to Dr. DeFelice, there are over 150 different non-mercury composites
to choose from with only a fraction of them being biocompatible.

Also, the order in which the old fillings are removed is another aspect that
can create more hazards than health benefits initially. For some reason,
accepted but not totally clear, your body responds to the removal of the
fillings according to electrical charge.

Fillings are like little batteries and they generate electrical current. Some
teeth will read positive, and some negative when touched with an ammeter.
Evidently, whether the filling is pushing electrons from the filling up into
your brain, or pushing protons, it affects the body's own electrical system
when these are removed.

These are only two of the many reasons to go to a dentist who is thoroughly
trained in the art of amalgam removal. But what I consider the most important
reason to go to such a skilled dentist is the fact that they are clearly
dedicated to helping people get well through their profession.

Now that you know the deadly effects of mercury fillings and fluoride, deadly
substances that are backed by the American Dental Association, why trust and
support a dentist who uses these poisonous substances in his practice?

In a world of many options and choices, it is high time we make our choices
conscious ones.
</quote>

Says Jan Drew :

<quote>

For further information contact:

A very good mission.
********************
</quote>

The underlign "***" in the following pieces of proof is by me :

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http://www.mercola.com/forms/vaccine_teleconference.htm

The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them

Vaccines can harm, and in some cases, even kill. And at school,
vaccine requirements for admission are a serious problem that many of you,
whether parents of preschool to college students, or a college student yourself,
will face.

"The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them" is a
professionally recorded 90-minute audio tape of an important
teleconference that I hosted on 8/24/02. The tape features a conversation
between renowned vaccine expert Dr. Sherri Tenpenny and me in the first hour,
with select questions from over 600 conference participants in the second
half-hour. The tape will help you:

Discover simple, practical steps you can take to legally avoid
dangerous immunizations  
Learn the difference between philosophical, religious and medical exemptions
Understand why most medical exemptions will not stand up in court
Learn pracitcal methods of improving your child's immunity so they
won't get the diseases the vaccinesare supposed to, but frequently don't,
prevent
Health care practitioners and others with a professional interest in health will
also find this tape invaluable, as your patients will benefit from this
information and you will learn the serious legal dangers you risk if you falsify
a medical exemption.

The damage vaccines inflict on individuals and society far outweighs
*********************************************************************
any potential benefit they may claim. This is not unverifiable hype
*************************************
from the fringes. Indisputable facts support this claim. Countless
firsthand stories testify to the pain, damage and death vaccines have
caused; a powerful story from a Mother who lost her baby to routine
vaccination that is currently circulating the Internet is but one
example.

But your government, under the thumb of a traditional medical system
grown fat on extreme drug profits, refuses to expose this epidemic. They would
still have you believe vaccinations are good. They would still have you believe
vaccines for your child are "mandatory."

"The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them" finally
dispels the myths and helps you :

Understand why vaccines are essentially loaded guns aimed at your
*****************************************************************
child's body
************
Find out how you can disarm your school nurses by legally avoiding
vaccines
Learn what approaches you can take to immunize your child against
disease safely - and for life
Crucial Vaccine Insight from the World’s Leading Authority

Most of the 150,000 readers of my free health newsletter need no
introduction to Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, as she has been a contributing editor on
the vaccine issue for several years. For that matter, many people throughout
North America have likely heard of her, too, as she has offered her unparalleled
insight on vaccines on countless health programs.

Her articles, such as “Expert" Believes Infants Can Tolerate 10,000
Vaccines and Smallpox Vaccines and Heart Disease, No "Coincidence", gives an
idea of the range of her expertise and important insight. With “Vaccines: What
CDC Documents and Science Reveal,� though, you will get all of the crucial
information you need to protect you and your loved ones. What’s more, you’ll
get it in a manner you can understand, and that’s not “dryâ€? but actually
engaging to watch.

If you are also interested in how and why vaccines themselves are
dangerous, you should seriously consider Dr. Tenpenny's new video, “Vaccines:
What CDC Documents and Science Reveal.� You'll learn how vaccines can cause
illnesses including autoimmune diseases, allergies, ear infections, and more.
You'll discover the very real link between vaccines and developmental,
learning and behavioral disorders in children. You'll find out how and why
vaccine studies are seriously flawed. And much more: read more about Dr.
Tenpenny's vaccine video.
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This is an excerpt from an article published by Randall Neustaedtler,
O.M.D. titled Do Vaccines Disable the Immune System?

Vaccines are destroying our immune systems. Amazingly, the medical
*******************************************
profession ignores the incriminating evidence against vaccines, and
continues to inflict more unnecessary and harmful vaccines on our
nation's infants. A recent study from the New England Journal of
Medicine of May 1996 revealed that tetanus vaccine disables the immune
system in HIV patients. Tetanus vaccination produced a drop in T cells
in 10 of 13 patients, a classic sign of immune deficiency. HIV viral
replication increased dramatically in response to tetanus vaccine.
Finally, white blood cells from 7 of 10 uninfected individuals became
more susceptible to HIV infection following tetanus vaccination.
Despite
these findings, the authors made no comment about the immune depleting
effect of the vaccine.

Why is the public unaware of these findings? Why has the medical
profession kept these reports hidden from the public eye? With typical
condescension, Dr. Martin Smith, president of the American Academy of
Pediatrics, explained in the Academy's News that the inclusion of this
type of information in vaccine brochures would confuse many parents
and
could even needlessly alarm them. An uninformed patient is compliant.

The cover-up of immune system failure following vaccination is
reminiscent of the tobacco industry's continuous denial and
misinformation campaign about the dangers of cigarettes. In both
instances huge profits are at stake in multibillion-dollar industries.
Vaccine manufacturers cannot afford to have their product maligned in
a
public forum.

Doctors have often stated that broadcasting adverse effects of
vaccines
to the public would hinder vaccine campaigns. This attitude emerged
more
than thirty years ago when Dr. Paul Meier testified before a
congressional committee concerning the polio vaccine campaign of the
1960s. It is hard to convince the public that something is good.
Consequently, the best way to push forward a new program is to decide
on
what you think the best decision is and not question it thereafter,
and
further, not to raise questions before the public or expose the public
to open discussion of the issues.

The medical profession has been aware of the damaging effects of
vaccines on the immune system since their introduction. For example,
the
ability of pertussis and DTP vaccines to stimulate the onset of
paralytic polio was first noted in 1909. In every polio epidemic since
then, DTP injections have caused the onset of polio disease.

In 1950, two careful studies were conducted in the state of New York
to
evaluate the reports of an association between the onset of paralytic
polio and recent injections. The findings were published in the
American
Journal of Public Health. Investigators contacted the families of all
children who contracted polio during that year, a total of 1,300 cases
in New York City and 2,137 cases in the remainder of New York State. A
history of vaccinations received in the previous two months was
obtained
on each child and from a group of matched controls in the same
population. Those studies discovered that children with polio were
twice
as likely to have received a DTP vaccination in the two months
preceding
the onset of polio than were the control children.

The association of vaccines with the onset of polio continues in the
modern age. During a recent polio epidemic in the Arabian peninsula
country of Oman, DTP vaccination again caused the onset of paralytic
polio. In that epidemic, 70 children 5 to 24 months old contracted
paralytic polio during the period 1988-1989. The report in the British
medical journal Lancet confirmed that a significantly higher
percentage
of these children had received a DTP shot within 30 days of the onset
of
polio compared to a control group of children without polio, 43
percent
of polio victims compared to 28 percent of controls. The DTP vaccine
suppresses the body's ability to fight off the polio virus.

The destructive effect of vaccines on the immune system can persist
over
an extended period of time. One study published in the Journal of
Infectious Diseases documented a long-term depressive effect on
interferon production caused by the measles vaccine. Interferon is a
chemical produced by lymphocytes (a type of white blood cell) that
renders the host resistant to infection. Interferon production is
stimulated by infection with a virus to protect the body from
superinfection by some other micro-organism. In this study,
vaccination
of one-year-old infants with measles vaccine caused a precipitous drop
in the level of alpha-interferon produced by lymphocytes. This decline
persisted for one year following vaccination, at which time the
experiment was terminated. Thus, this study showed that measles
vaccine
produced a significant long-term immune suppression.
</quote>

Proof, again and again, that Jan Drew spreads misinformation about vaccination.

-----

D. Jan Drew is a shame to the human race
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Mr. Rich posted a very good description of the pathological psyche of Jan Drew :

<quote>
From: [Mr. Rich]
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Subject: Can Jan Drew's Word Be Trusted
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If Jan has me kill filed how can she know that I am doing this??
Oops. The jig is up. Another lie. Sad that. Yes Jan, I know you will
be reading this. You fool no one when you claim to kill file people.
You are a terrible liar.

Cue Jan to start another post attacking me. Just watch.

Jan says it is never right to belittle. Then she belittles.

Jan says that she never snips to change meaning of posts. Then she
snips and changes meaning of posts.

Jan says she never lied on mha. Then Jan lies.

Jan says that she always proves other's
lies. Then Jan does not prove other's lies.

Jan says that she is a Christian. Then she lies and bears false
witness. She says that Jesus was there when God wrote the Ten
Commandments.

Jan says that she is not an anti-semite. But she calls a Jewish man a
Jew Boy and says that lying comes second nature to Jews and that all
the jews in this newsgroup save one, lie.

Jan says she does not hate homosexuals but then she calls them queers
and homos and belittles someone for his sexual orientation.

Jan says that she does not hate anyone but then she expresses hatred.

Jan says Judge Not Lest YOu Be Judged and yet she is the biggest
judger of all.

Jan says that it is good not to hold grudges and instead to forgive.
She posts an interview with God which tells her to forgive. Jan Drew
continues to hold grudges and obsessively posts grudges from years
ago.

Jan personally attacks people and calls them liars simply for having a
different opinion from hers.

Jan Drew calls others hypocrites when she is the biggest hypocrite
(see above) of all.

Jan Drew criticizes conventional medicine for giving medicines that
only cover up the problem. Jan Drew takes two medications that only
cover up the problem.

Jan says that she had mercury poisoning and almost died and her life
was saved by having amalgams removed. Jan knows that it was relief
that made her feel better than she had in TWO YEARS!!!!

Jan says that the reason she felt better than she had in two years was
because all the dental work was done. It was not done.

Jan says that the reason she knows it was the mercury because she did
not begin to regain her health until AFTER her mercury level dropped.
Jan knows this is a lie as she began to regain her health when her
mercury level was likely the highest in her life.

Jan says that the reason that she was able to go out line dancing a
week after some amalgams were removed was because she was not getting
a daily dose of mercury. Jan knows this is a lie because she still had
some amalgams left and they would not be removed for another few
weeks.

Jan accused me of lying when I said she felt better than she had in
years instead of two years. Jan knows that she lied about this.

Jan accused me of lying when I said she felt better than she had in
two years because of what I was implying. But Jan knows I was implying
that it was a placebo response and Jan ADMITTED that she felt better
due to relief.

Jan accused me of lying when I mistakenly posted January instead of
June when she likely knew that I just made a mistake.

And this is only the tip of the iceberg.

Jan is a despicable, liar, bigot, hypocrite, hate monger, anti-semite,
homophobe, belittler, and judger. And I proved it with her OWN WORDS.

May God have mercy on her soul.

Aloha,

Rich

Cue Jan to attack me. Just watch.

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The best defense to logic is ignorance
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E. Why am I maintaining this FAQ ?
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Since 1996 I maintain a web-site against dental amalgam. 99% of my time I have
to tell people what naturopath stuff is quackery. So I wrote web-pages about
what I found.

In the usenet I found a liar who calls himself Jan Drew. Who advertizes
quackery.

Jan Drew is one of many advertizing agencies which do the very same. Some months
ago a German advertizing agency was caught advertizing chlorella algae.
Estimated damage of the chlorella swindle : 1 billion US-$ per year.

The method is always the same. The result is always the same : Ill people are
ripped off. And they die.

Some months ago I got to know about a man ill with cancer. This man was ordered
by his naturopath to drink 1 litre of Noni juice per day. A bottle costs about
50 US-$. After 6 months all his money was gone and the man was dead. He had paid
estimated 9000 US-$. Calculating the normal dealers' provisions the naturopath
collected about 2000 US-$. Or more...

And the man ill with cancer is dead...

I am collecting material about Jan Drew. I want to make a web-page about his
criminal abuse of ill people.

Please contact me via  

news:misc.health.alternative  or news:sci.med.dentistry
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A militia against the Jan Drew quack mafia !

I give 1 Dollar.

Do never forget, that you can and must (!) complain against health fraud. Take
your part in the defense against abuse of children and ill people!

The details about how you can do this in the USA you can find here :

  http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm

Regards,

Aribert Deckers

Your proving just how stupid you are is old. Very old.

You are so stupid you cannot even correctly figure out how old I am.