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Bayer receives FDA Warning for Unsubstantiated Health Claims .... 12 Things You Should Know About Aspirin
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Ilena Rose - 26 Jul 2009 22:58 GMT News from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal: http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/2008/10/28/12-things-you-should-know-ab out-aspirin.html?PageNr=1 It offers cardiovascular protection, but this pill is more nuanced than most of us might thinkfor better or for worse By Sarah Baldauf Posted October 28, 2008
Aspirin, that old standard in everyone's medicine chest, can really pack a wallop. So much so that the American Heart Association has long recommended aspirin therapy for people who've had a heart attack, stroke caused by blood clot, unstable angina, or "ministrokes." The AHA also notes that even people who have not experienced such an event but who are at increased risk because of family history, say, may also stand to gain from aspirin therapy.
We're certainly familiar with our aspirin: About 60 percent of people ages 65 and older pop aspirin at least once a week. But this cheap, over-the-counter pill is not benign, and regular use should be discussed with a doctor. And beware marketing claims. Bayer was sent warning letters by the Food and Drug Administration today for touting two productsBayer Women's Low Dose Aspirin + Calcium (Bayer Women's) and Bayer Aspirin with Heart Advantage (Bayer Heart Advantage)for making unproved health claims.
Along with its benefits, aspirin has limitations, too. A roundup of recent research suggests taking aspirin regularly may do the following:
1) Cut pre-eclampsia risk during pregnancy. A research review published in The Lancet in 2007 suggests that pregnant women who took aspirin or other antiplatelet drugs were 10 percent less likely to develop the disorder that involves high blood pressure and potentially serious complications for mother and fetus. Aspirin therapy during pregnancy should definitely be discussed with an obstetrician.
2) Reduce risk of developing colorectal cancers. The journal Gastroenterology published a study earlier this year that found a significantly lowered risk of developing the cancers in men with regular, long-term aspirin (and other nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory) use. The benefits, however, were not evident until individuals had amassed a total of five consistent years of regular use. Also, the dose with the biggest benefit325-mg pills more than 14 times each weekis greater than typically recommended.
3) Lower a woman's risk of breast cancer. A research review published this month in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute found a 13 percent relative risk reduction in women who used aspirin regularly compared with those who did not. The findings found an overall reduced risk of 12 percent for regular use of NSAIDs in general. Previous research on breast cancer risk and NSAID use has shown conflicting results.
4) Throw off test results for prostate cancer. In an issue of this month's journal Cancer, researchers reported that men who used aspirin and other NSAIDs regularly had about 10 percent lower levels of the prostate marker prostate-specific antigen. The researchers suggest this may hinder the detection of prostate cancer in regular users.
5) Offer some protection against Alzheimer's disease. Research has been inconclusive, but a review published this year in the journal Neurology found people who used aspirin had a 13 percent lower risk of developing Alzheimer's. The study added to an ongoing debate about whether certain types of NSAIDs, say ibuprofen vs. aspirin, were more beneficial.
6) Help prevent strokesunless you also take ibuprofen. A small study published this year in the Journal of Clinical Pharmacology found that stroke patients taking daily aspirin to prevent another stroke who also took ibuprofensay, for their arthritisreaped no antiplatelet benefit. After the patient stopped the ibuprofen, the aspirin became effective. The Food and Drug Administration warns that aspirin's benefits may be diminished by ibuprofen use.
7) Prevent asthma in middle-aged women. A study published in the journal Thorax this year found that women 45 and older who took 100 mg of aspirin every other day were 10 percent less likely to develop asthma over the next decade than women given a placebo. The study authors note that aspirin could exacerbate symptoms in about 10 percent of people already diagnosed with asthma.
8) Protect against Parkinson's disease. A 2007 study published in Neurology suggests that women who used aspirin regularly (defined as two or more a week for at least a month at any point in their life) may be 40 percent less likely to develop the disease.
9) Provide zero protection against heart attacks in people with diabetes. This month, the British Medical Journal published research that suggests diabetics taking aspirin to prevent a first heart attack were no less likely to experience an attack than those taking a placebo. People with diabetes are at least twice as likely to develop heart disease or have a stroke as the general public.
10) Offer no protection to some sufferers of heart attack or stroke. A research review published in the British Medical Journal in January found that nearly 30 percent of people with cardiovascular disease who took prescribed aspirin were resistant to its effects. Such "aspirin resistance," the study found, makes such patients four times as likely as those for whom aspirin had an effect to have a heart attack, stroke, or die.
11) Cause stomach troubles. People taking aspirin or another NSAID are at higher risk of gastrointestinal bleeding and stomach ulcersparticularly with long-term use of the drug.
12) Be less effective in women. This month, a research review published in the journal BMC Medicine found that earlier studies showed a large benefit in men taking aspirin to reduce the rates of fatal heart attack, but women did not reap the same benefit.
Happy Oyster - 26 Jul 2009 23:15 GMT >11) Cause stomach troubles. People taking aspirin or another NSAID are >at higher risk of gastrointestinal bleeding and stomach >ulcersparticularly with long-term use of the drug. Ah, yes, the REAL nature is much better... The plant stuff tastes worse and has much more and bad effects. But it is so very natural, isn't it?
Dying, by the way, is 100 percent natural.
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KevysMom - 27 Jul 2009 00:30 GMT > >11) Cause stomach troubles. People taking aspirin or another NSAID are > >at higher risk of gastrointestinal bleeding and stomach > >ulcers—particularly with long-term use of the drug. > > Ah, yes, the REAL nature is much better... The plant stuff tastes worse and has > much more and bad effects. But it is so very natural, isn't it? What does your comment have to do with the fact that asprin can cause bleeding ulcers?
bleeding ulcers can cause death.
> Dying, by the way, is 100 percent natural. Yes, but do we have to die from taking pharmas drugs?
Peter B. - 27 Jul 2009 05:11 GMT > >11) Cause stomach troubles. People taking aspirin or another NSAID > >are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > worse and has > much more and bad effects. But it is so very natural, isn't it? What does your comment have to do with the fact that asprin can cause bleeding ulcers?
bleeding ulcers can cause death.
> Dying, by the way, is 100 percent natural. Yes, but do we have to die from taking pharmas drugs? ====================================== aspirin is a natural homeopathic medicine. What's the problem?
Bayer only buffers it to reduce harm of this natural ingredient.
t - 27 Jul 2009 10:53 GMT Peter,why are you such an a.s?
>> >11) Cause stomach troubles. People taking aspirin or another NSAID are >> >at higher risk of gastrointestinal bleeding and stomach [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Bayer only buffers it to reduce harm of this natural ingredient. KevysMom - 28 Jul 2009 01:21 GMT > Peter,why are you such an a.s?" Hey little T!
Peter B. - 29 Jul 2009 08:11 GMT > Peter,why are you such an a.s? Top posting tard. Why are you so stupid? Aspirin is as homeopathic as you can get.
>>> >11) Cause stomach troubles. People taking aspirin or another NSAID >>> >are [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> Bayer only buffers it to reduce harm of this natural ingredient. t - 29 Jul 2009 13:34 GMT Ignorant old fool, why are you alive? It pleases me that you are bothered by "top posting"
>> Peter,why are you such an a.s? > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Bite > me! Peter B. - 31 Jul 2009 01:03 GMT > Ignorant old fool, why are you alive? It pleases me that you are > bothered by "top posting" Interesting, proud of being a top posting tard.
"hey mom! Look at ME! I am as dumb as a box of pencils but I can irritate others!
Aren't you proud momeeeee?"
t - 31 Jul 2009 01:21 GMT Oh Good!! another Net Mommy. NYA NYA NYA!
>> Ignorant old fool, why are you alive? It pleases me that you are bothered >> by "top posting" [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Aren't you proud momeeeee?" Mark Probert - 31 Jul 2009 02:09 GMT > Oh Good!! another Net Mommy. NYA NYA NYA!" Next time, say "NYA! NYA! NYA!, Stomp your feet, and throw you computer against the wall.
Now, THAT is a proper temper tantrum.
Peter B. - 31 Jul 2009 04:16 GMT On Jul 30, 8:21 pm, "t" <to...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh Good!! another Net Mommy. NYA NYA NYA!" Next time, say "NYA! NYA! NYA!, Stomp your feet, and throw you computer against the wall.
Now, THAT is a proper temper tantrum. =============================== ROTFL, agreed.
Happy Oyster - 27 Jul 2009 07:17 GMT >> >11) Cause stomach troubles. People taking aspirin or another NSAID are >> >at higher risk of gastrointestinal bleeding and stomach [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Yes, but do we have to die from taking pharmas drugs? Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they?
Just go and look for those people who advertise for the ORIGINAL, NATURAL stuff. Just do it! And see for yourself!
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KevysMom - 28 Jul 2009 01:20 GMT > Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they? > > Just go and look for those people who advertise for the ORIGINAL, NATURAL stuff. > Just do it! And see for yourself! Show me a few legitimate studies showing how "NATURAL stuff" kills thousands every year, can ya do it?
The flagrant disregard for human health by the FDA is not news to people who follow the subject closely. The FDA has been mostly dormant while 100,000 Americans die needlessly from drugs every year and another 3 million are injured so seriously they require hospitalization (half of those were already in the hospital!). The FDA management's neglect of duty and follow-up on drugs already on the market is unconscionable and has been for a long time.
http://www.naturalnews.com/022388.html
Bob Officer - 28 Jul 2009 03:45 GMT >> Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Show me a few legitimate studies showing how "NATURAL stuff" kills >thousands every year, can ya do it? Every virus and bacteria death is from "natural stuff" also lead and heavy metals are all "natural stuff" Radium, Thorium, and other radioactives are all "natural stuff". Radon Daughters is a natural occurrence "Natural stuff."
Do I need to go on, to satisfy you're stupidity?
>The flagrant disregard for human health by the FDA is not news to >people who follow the subject closely. The FDA has been mostly dormant [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >http://www.naturalnews.com/022388.html That isn't a reliable source of information.
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t - 28 Jul 2009 14:03 GMT KevysMom - 28 Jul 2009 14:58 GMT > >> Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Do I need to go on, to satisfy you're stupidity? Don't play STUPID with me, you know we are comparing Pharma drugs with Natural drugs(e.g herbs and vitamins)
> >The flagrant disregard for human health by the FDA is not news to > >people who follow the subject closely. The FDA has been mostly dormant [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That isn't a reliable source of information. I USED that source on purpose this time, KNOWING you would make that claim.
Natural news actually used a study that was taken from the Lancet.
100,000 die yearly in this country from ADVERSE reactions to Pharma drugs, this of course doesn't include drug errors.
Now, please post a legitimate study proving how "NATURAL STUFF" kills.
Thanks,
Donna
Happy Oyster - 28 Jul 2009 16:05 GMT >> >> Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they? >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >Donna Who do you mean? Learn to quote!
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Bob Officer - 29 Jul 2009 01:03 GMT >> >> Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they? >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Do I need to go on, to satisfy you're stupidity?
>Don't play STUPID with me, you know we are comparing Pharma drugs with >Natural drugs(e.g herbs and vitamins) Do you even have the basic chemistry background to make that statement?
The word your used was "natural". Mercury is a naturally occurring element, as is Lead, Arsenic, Uranium, Radium, Thorium, and Copper and various water soluble and insoluble salts of those compounds. All Natural.
Natural doesn't mean safe. You do not seem to understand that concept. That makes you **stupid**.
Phama made aspirin is atom for atom identical to aspirin made from natural sources. It is a 1st year chemistry lab when I was in college. I don't know it if is any more. That was nearly 40 years ago.
>> >The flagrant disregard for human health by the FDA is not news to >> >people who follow the subject closely. The FDA has been mostly dormant [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Natural news actually used a study that was taken from the Lancet. But failed to even reference it properly, or did you forget that? It was shown to be false once before, or did you miss that the 1st time around?
>100,000 die yearly in this country from ADVERSE reactions to Pharma >drugs, this of course doesn't include drug errors. > >Now, please post a legitimate study proving how "NATURAL STUFF" kills. I don't have to, it is matter of history. Radium decays produces Radon (Gas) which is contains a specific isotope which is radioactive. That Radioactive Radon Gas is a natural product, Exposure to That specific Radon Gas is a causal agent for Cancer. Radon, a natural occurring substance ("Stuff"), kills.
>Thanks, You're welcome Donna. I don't know where you live but if your community is in mountain area around Denver or has rock formation rich in hornblende, (a natural occurring mineral series in granite), and your home has a finished basement, or poorly vented crawl space I would have your house tested form Radon Gas.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3A en-US%3Aofficial&hs=2nw&q=hornblende+radon&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
is a good starting place for self education.
Granite, hornblende and pitchblende are all natural occurring "stuff".
I have a few very small specimen pieces of those minerals I keep in a lead lined cases. You do understand that are natural occurring and "Hot". They are actually referred to as thin sections used in crystallography. There is 52 slides, each containing a very thin section of mineral about .10 microns thick and as big as my little pinky.
While we are at it Mercury is also naturally occurring, and most people that pan gold end up with at least a few ounces a year. I know one quarry operator that sells about 3 standard 75 lb flasks of the stuff every year. He operates a small gravel quarry, and rock crusher. The rock is used in road and building construction.
Most commercial quarries do not attempt to recover the mercury from the crushed rock. So what happens to their mercury?
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KevysMom - 29 Jul 2009 01:46 GMT > >> Do I need to go on, to satisfy you're stupidity? > >Don't play STUPID with me, you know we are comparing Pharma drugs with > >Natural drugs(e.g herbs and vitamins) > > Do you even have the basic chemistry background to make that > statement? Obviously more than you do.
> The word your used was "natural". Mercury is a naturally occurring > element, as is Lead, Arsenic, Uranium, Radium, Thorium, and Copper > and various water soluble and insoluble salts of those compounds. All > Natural. You are spinning AGAIN. We are comparing Pharam's chemicals with NATURAL medicine(herbs) And how Pharmas chemicals that are used as medicine KILL 100,000 people a YEAR just in the United States. Please, stay on topic.
> Natural doesn't mean safe. You do not seem to understand that > concept. That makes you **stupid**. No, you are the one that is STUPID because you cant even comprehend what the topic is about.
> Phama made aspirin is atom for atom identical to aspirin made from > natural sources. It is a 1st year chemistry lab when I was in > college. I don't know it if is any more. That was nearly 40 years > ago. That's your problem OLD age has left you with a bit of dementia?
> >> >The flagrant disregard for human health by the FDA is not news to > >> >people who follow the subject closely.
> >Natural news actually used a study that was taken from the Lancet. > > But failed to even reference it properly, or did you forget that? It > was shown to be false once before, or did you miss that the 1st time > around? Was it false? Who said it was false, PHARMA???? Show me proof that the Lancet peer reviewed study on Pharma deaths was false.
> >100,000 die yearly in this country from ADVERSE reactions to Pharma > >drugs, this of course doesn't include drug errors. > > >Now, please post a legitimate study proving how "NATURAL STUFF" kills. > > I don't have to, it is matter of history. "I don't have to" And I don't have to show you a study proving you are ignorant, its been proven by your post!
Radium decays produces
> Radon (Gas) which is contains a specific isotope which is > radioactive. That Radioactive Radon Gas is a natural product, > Exposure to That specific Radon Gas is a causal agent for Cancer. > Radon, a natural occurring substance ("Stuff"), kills. What does this have to do with Pharma drugs Vs Natural drugs??
Nothing, Thats what I thought!
You cant tell me anything about mercury that would make sense, So save your typing skills for writing to your great-grandchildren.
Bob Officer - 29 Jul 2009 02:28 GMT Please start indicating which you remove material. it often changes context of the words in the discussion. It is considered rude, and a type lying by many people.
>> >> Do I need to go on, to satisfy you're stupidity? >> >Don't play STUPID with me, you know we are comparing Pharma drugs with >> >Natural drugs(e.g herbs and vitamins) >> >> Do you even have the basic chemistry background to make that >> statement?
>Obviously more than you do. From your own words it isn't in evidence.
>> The word your used was "natural". Mercury is a naturally occurring >> element, as is Lead, Arsenic, Uranium, Radium, Thorium, and Copper [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >medicine KILL 100,000 people a YEAR just in the United States. Please, >stay on topic. We are discussing the misuse of the word natural, by you.
Natural doesn't me safe or even good. or healthy. With is the way you use it.
>> Natural doesn't mean safe. You do not seem to understand that >> concept. That makes you **stupid**. > >No, you are the one that is STUPID because you cant even comprehend >what the topic is about. The topic is not what you dictate. The topic is the misuse of the word natural by you and others.
>> Phama made aspirin is atom for atom identical to aspirin made from >> natural sources. It is a 1st year chemistry lab when I was in >> college. I don't know it if is any more. That was nearly 40 years >> ago. >That's your problem OLD age has left you with a bit of dementia? Not at all. The basic knowledge hasn't changed. Chemicals are even more pure today which are used by the pharma industry. I know samples I send in 30 years ago, were reported in part per thousand. Nor the reports are in parts per million. Technology improves all the time.
>> >> >The flagrant disregard for human health by the FDA is not news to >> >> >people who follow the subject closely. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> was shown to be false once before, or did you miss that the 1st time >> around?
>Was it false? Who said it was false, PHARMA???? Show me proof that the >Lancet peer reviewed study on Pharma deaths was false. It was shown at a earlier time to have been taken out of context, and actually isn't what the lancet article said at all.
>> >100,000 die yearly in this country from ADVERSE reactions to Pharma >> >drugs, this of course doesn't include drug errors. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >"I don't have to" And I don't have to show you a study proving you >are ignorant, its been proven by your post! But then I did, didn't I?
>> Radium decays produces >> Radon (Gas) which is contains a specific isotope which is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Nothing, Thats what I thought! Natural (stuff) kills, which is exactly what you asked for, isn't it?
>You cant tell me anything about mercury that would make sense, So save >your typing skills for writing to your great-grandchildren. Really. all these years working inside the mineral industry and I don't know of anything.
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t - 29 Jul 2009 07:56 GMT KV, don't misunderstand Bob, he is here to disrupt threads. He has no other reason to be here unless he is paid to do so. Much more entertaining to just attack him, not debate him. The ol fight fire with fire.
Peter B. - 29 Jul 2009 08:15 GMT > KV, don't misunderstand Bob, he is here to disrupt threads. He has no > other reason to be here unless he is paid to do so. Much more > entertaining to just attack him, not debate him. The ol fight fire > with fire. Then you are pretty stupid. You are fighting a blow torch with a match.
Happy Oyster - 29 Jul 2009 12:29 GMT >> KV, don't misunderstand Bob, he is here to disrupt threads. He has no >> other reason to be here unless he is paid to do so. Much more >> entertaining to just attack him, not debate him. The ol fight fire >> with fire. > >Then you are pretty stupid. You are fighting a blow torch with a match. Well, he can't match... ;O)
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t - 29 Jul 2009 13:36 GMT Peter, You may kiss my arse.
>> KV, don't misunderstand Bob, he is here to disrupt threads. He has no >> other reason to be here unless he is paid to do so. Much more [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yes you may still do so. Mark Probert - 29 Jul 2009 14:35 GMT > Peter, You may kiss my arse. Not posible unless you move your head out of the way.
"Peter B." <i...@i-brag.com> wrote in message
> news:4a6ff730@news.x-privat.org... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Martin - 29 Jul 2009 19:19 GMT >Peter, You may kiss my arse. I knew you were into kinky stuff with urine, but apperently, you're into even more things then I imagined.
>>> KV, don't misunderstand Bob, he is here to disrupt threads. He has no >>> other reason to be here unless he is paid to do so. Much more [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> Yes you may still do so. t - 29 Jul 2009 22:31 GMT Just as soon as arse is mentioned, Martin pops up! Funny little fellow.
Peter B. - 31 Jul 2009 01:08 GMT > Peter, You may kiss my arse. Is that why it is always on public display? Sorry, I though you were just trolling.
>>> KV, don't misunderstand Bob, he is here to disrupt threads. He has >>> no other reason to be here unless he is paid to do so. Much more [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Yes you may still do so. Happy Oyster - 29 Jul 2009 12:04 GMT > KV, don't misunderstand Bob, he is here to disrupt threads. He has no other >reason to be here unless he is paid to do so. Much more entertaining to just >attack him, not debate him. The ol fight fire with fire. Plain paranoia seeding...
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Linda - 30 Jul 2009 06:27 GMT > KV, don't misunderstand Bob, he is here to disrupt threads. Ha!
Governments around the world did not declare AUK an illegal forum because AUK-tards like Robert Officer "disrupt threads."
Governments around the world declared AUK an illegal forum because Robert Officer and his 500 plus criminal co-conspirators used AUK as a venue to blackmail, terrorize/torture and effect the murder of thousands of innocent people over the course of 16 years.
Furthermore, Charles Novins, Esq did not file a tort suit against specified Auktard's, Google, TS Bearings, as well as, Does 1-100 which most definitely includes veteran auktard's like Robert Officer for "disrupting threads"
Charles Novins, Esq. filed a tort suit against specified AUK-tards, Google, TS Bearings, as well as, Does 1-100 which includes notorious auktards like Robert Officer to preempt Robert Officer and his criminal co-conspirators from blackmailing, terrorizing/ torturing, and effecting the murder of Charles Novins and/or his loved ones.
Robert Officer and Happy Oyster,did not invade MHA to disrupt threads.
Robert Officer and Happy Oyster invaded MHA to join Probert, Bowditch and all the other criminals misusing MHA as a venue to blackmail, terrorize/torture, and effect the murder of Jan, Ilena, and anyone who says a kind word to them., because, events have transpired which make it most unwise for Probert, Bowditch and their criminal conspirators to continue rendering Jan and other innocent peoples name to AUK to be blackmailed, terrorized, tortured, and/or murdered.
Bob Officer - 30 Jul 2009 13:05 GMT >> KV, don't misunderstand Bob, he is here to disrupt threads. > >Ha! and goes on to display her mental illness.
>Governments around the world did not declare AUK an illegal forum >because AUK-tards like Robert Officer "disrupt threads." 1. here is no such thing as disruptions of threads.
>Governments around the world declared AUK an illegal forum because Actually no government has done so, even. This is he mental illness and imagination working overtime.
>Robert Officer and his 500 plus criminal co-conspirators used AUK as a >venue to blackmail, terrorize/torture and effect the murder of >thousands of innocent people over the course of 16 years. That is a lie.
>Furthermore, Charles Novins, Esq did not file a tort suit against >specified Auktard's, Google, TS Bearings, as well as, Does 1-100 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >torturing, and effecting the murder of Charles Novins and/or his >loved ones. Filing and server pre-emptive suits is considered frivolous lawsuits in many locations. I wonder where you got that idea that he filed in a pre-emptive suit.
I certainly have not been served.
>Robert Officer and Happy Oyster,did not invade MHA to disrupt threads. I did not invade. that's impossible.
>Robert Officer and Happy Oyster invaded MHA to join Probert, Bowditch I find health care an interesting subject. I am a certified 1st at the scene, emergency responder, certified CPR, Paramedic, 1st aid instructor...
I did not and can not invade. I simply subscribed to a publicly available newsgroup. It is neither private nor moderated.
<sarcasm> For instance I recently found out instead of trying to stop bleeding, I should play music to people that are hurt. </sarcasm>
>and all the other criminals misusing MHA as a venue to blackmail, >terrorize/torture, and effect the murder of Jan, Ilena, and anyone >who says a kind word to them., because, events have transpired which >make it most unwise for Probert, Bowditch and their criminal >conspirators to continue rendering Jan and other innocent peoples name >to AUK to be blackmailed, terrorized, tortured, and/or murdered. Linda you do not even begin to understand the words you use.
"criminal conspirators" is nearly comical. To be a criminal one needs to be charged and convicted of a crime. since no crime took place, there was never any charges or trial. No trial, no conviction.
Really if the discussion actually took place with facts and proper citation you wouldn't have imaginary conspiracies but the mentally ill.
Seek the mental health care you seem to need, Linda.
The largest proof there is no conspiracy is the simple fact you are still posting about it. If it was real, they (who ever they are) would have prevented you from ever posting.
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t - 30 Jul 2009 13:33 GMT And so the truth comes out. Bobby is an EMT. EMT are known worldwide in the medical world as wannabe doctors. There is a strong tendency for them to speak loudly and often as though they are an athority on medicine. They in truth have very little education in medicine beyond "stop the bleeding". They are told in class to "take charge of the situation", even though they are not qulified to do so. It is a problem with some Head Nurses also. So now we know what you are Bobby, do try to stay out of the way of folks who DO know more than you. You are not qulified to comment about much here.
Happy Oyster - 30 Jul 2009 13:40 GMT > And so the truth comes out. Bobby is an EMT. EMT are known worldwide in the >medical world as wannabe doctors. There is a strong tendency for them to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >now we know what you are Bobby, do try to stay out of the way of folks who >DO know more than you. You are not qulified to comment about much here. And "t" is qualified to control all that?
"t" is nothing but a mud-thrower for the naturopathic mafia.
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t - 30 Jul 2009 13:51 GMT > And so the truth comes out. Bobby is an EMT. EMT are known worldwide in > the medical world as wannabe doctors. There is a strong tendency for them [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > way of folks who DO know more than you. You are not qulified to comment > about much here. Bob Officer - 30 Jul 2009 22:57 GMT > And so the truth comes out. Bobby is an EMT. No, I am not employed as an EMT.
I carry the certification. That means I take the classes and test to keep the certification current.
I work in the field all too often and end up being the only emergency medical responder for over an hours travel. Break an arm, leg, snake bite, or even become ill from working at high altitudes, you want someone that can do more than try to call 911. Especially since cell phones don't work and the only way to call in or out of the area is often a sat-phone or sat-data relay.
The rest of your rant isn't worth the trouble to even acknowledge it.
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t - 31 Jul 2009 01:15 GMT So, an EMT none the less and all that implies.
>> And so the truth comes out. Bobby is an EMT. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > The rest of your rant isn't worth the trouble to even acknowledge it. Mark Probert - 31 Jul 2009 01:54 GMT > On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:33:56 -0500, in misc.health.alternative, "t" > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > The rest of your rant isn't worth the trouble to even acknowledge it. A pool lifeguard (kiddie pool) has more medical knowledge than sTools.
Mark Probert - 30 Jul 2009 13:50 GMT > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:27:41 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > 1. here is no such thing as disruptions of threads. Untrue. That is what Linda, Jan, et al do all the time.
Mark Probert - 30 Jul 2009 13:48 GMT > > KV, don't misunderstand Bob, he is here to disrupt threads. > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > conspirators to continue rendering Jan and other innocent peoples name > to AUK to be blackmailed, terrorized, tortured, and/or murdered. What events are those, Linda?
Happy Oyster - 30 Jul 2009 16:59 GMT >Robert Officer and Happy Oyster,did not invade MHA to disrupt threads. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >conspirators to continue rendering Jan and other innocent peoples name >to AUK to be blackmailed, terrorized, tortured, and/or murdered. Linda is a rotten liar. I was in the usenet already more than 10 years ago, BEFORE I knew all those folks like Peter Bowditch, Mark Probert, Joel M. Eichen, Hans Lennros, Wubba, Orac, etc.
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Bob Officer - 30 Jul 2009 23:11 GMT >>Robert Officer and Happy Oyster,did not invade MHA to disrupt threads. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >BEFORE I knew all those folks like Peter Bowditch, Mark Probert, Joel M. Eichen, >Hans Lennros, Wubba, Orac, etc. I think Peter Bowditch and I might have been on a old e-mail list, 5 or 8 years ago. I don't think he and I have exchanged more than 3 or four messages over the years on usenet or in e-mail. Sort of hard to have any sort of conspiracy with so little communications between the people. I read Orac's Blog, and Don't recall ever speaking with Happy ever until a few weeks ago. Joel's path and mine have cross a few times in the last 20 or 25 years in News.Admin.* groups I think. Or was that Joel Furr?
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Mark Probert - 31 Jul 2009 01:53 GMT > >Robert Officer and Happy Oyster,did not invade MHA to disrupt threads. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > BEFORE I knew all those folks like Peter Bowditch, Mark Probert, Joel M. Eichen, > Hans Lennros, Wubba, Orac, etc. I was using ARPANET with a .mil, then .gov, when computers filled walls.
Bob Officer - 31 Jul 2009 02:47 GMT >> >Robert Officer and Happy Oyster,did not invade MHA to disrupt threads. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >I was using ARPANET with a .mil, then .gov, when computers filled >walls. The console was the size of a desk, the computer took up a small room.
We had to type the full path to send e-mail.
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Mark Probert - 31 Jul 2009 03:22 GMT > On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:53:27 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > We had to type the full path to send e-mail. The good old days.
Peter B. - 31 Jul 2009 01:13 GMT On Jul 28, 11:56 pm, "t" <to...@gmail.com> wrote:
> KV, don't misunderstand Bob, he is here to disrupt threads. Ha!
Governments around the world did not declare AUK an illegal forum because AUK-tards like Robert Officer "disrupt threads."
Governments around the world declared AUK an illegal forum because Robert Officer and his 500 plus criminal co-conspirators used AUK as a venue to blackmail, terrorize/torture and effect the murder of thousands of innocent people over the course of 16 years. ========================================
Odd, I don't see AUK anywhere in this thread. Is this woman an example of healing via homeopathic remedies? WOO HOO! trippy. Maybe she is a result of being fed all that healthy breast milk that autrey was posting about>
Happy Oyster - 29 Jul 2009 08:47 GMT >> >> Do I need to go on, to satisfy you're stupidity? >> >Don't play STUPID with me, you know we are comparing Pharma drugs with [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] >You cant tell me anything about mercury that would make sense, So save >your typing skills for writing to your great-grandchildren. Learn to quote!
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Mark Probert - 29 Jul 2009 04:22 GMT > > >http://www.naturalnews.com/022388.html > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Natural news actually used a study that was taken from the Lancet. What makes you "think" that un-NaturalNews accurately used the information in that study? un-NaturalNews is infested with ghouls who spin anything that they can to trash science and RealMedicine. Look how they ghoulishly gnaw on any celebrity death.
Jan Drew - 30 Jul 2009 04:35 GMT > > > >http://www.naturalnews.com/022388.html > > > > That isn't a reliable source of information. http://www.naturalnews.com/z022388_health_warfarin_the_FDA.html
Mark Probert - 30 Jul 2009 04:38 GMT > > > > >http://www.naturalnews.com/022388.html > > > > > That isn't a reliable source of information. > > http://www.naturalnews.com/z022388_health_warfarin_the_FDA.html More of her stalking, harassment and abuse of me and my family. She did not learn her lesson when her ISP kicked her out.
Here is what AOL, her current provider, has to say about it:
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Jan should learn from her mistakes, leave me alone, and move on. How sad that she is incapable of learning.
Jan Drew - 30 Jul 2009 23:09 GMT > > > > > >http://www.naturalnews.com/022388.html > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > More of her stalking, harassment and abuse of me and my family. She > did not learn her lesson when her ISP kicked her out. That is a blatant lie. AT&T/sbcglobal stopped carrying Google Groups
8 results for mark.probert@gmail.com stalking, harassment and abuse of me and my family.
128 results for mark .probert@gmail. com stalking
19 results for mark .probert@gmail. com harassing
19 results for mark .probert@gmail. com harassment
Sorted by relevance Sort by date 94 results for mark .probert@gmail. com my family
Peter B. - 31 Jul 2009 01:17 GMT On Jul 29, 11:38�pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 29, 11:35�pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > More of her stalking, harassment and abuse of me and my family. She > did not learn her lesson when her ISP kicked her out. That is a blatant lie. AT&T/sbcglobal stopped carrying Google Groups ================================================== That is an out and out lie. It is available via any browser of your choice which is how you post here you dumpy old broad. No ISP ever stopped carrying google groups.
Mark Probert - 31 Jul 2009 02:08 GMT > On Jul 29, 11:38 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > choice which is how you post here you dumpy old broad. No ISP ever > stopped carrying google groups. She does not know the difference between GoogleGroups and Usenet.
Just like she cannot figure out how to compute someone's age.
Peter B. - 31 Jul 2009 04:18 GMT On Jul 30, 8:17 pm, "Peter B." <i...@i-brag.com> wrote:
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > choice which is how you post here you dumpy old broad. No ISP ever > stopped carrying google groups. She does not know the difference between GoogleGroups and Usenet.
Just like she cannot figure out how to compute someone's age. ============================================= That one was truly amazing. Imagine every year the look on her face at her birthday party....
Total Confusion!
Happy Oyster - 31 Jul 2009 04:44 GMT >> On Jul 29, 11:38 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Just like she cannot figure out how to compute someone's age. What do you expect? She can't even count to 2.
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Mark Probert - 31 Jul 2009 02:00 GMT > > > > > > >http://www.naturalnews.com/022388.html > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > That is a blatant lie. It cannot be a lie, since I believed it to be true when I wrote it. Remember, a lie requires that the person knowingly states something that they know is not true. Like when you deny you are evil.
> AT&T/sbcglobal stopped carrying Google Groups If AT&T stopped carrying Usenet, NOT GOOGLE GROUPS, then you should still be able to access GoogleGroups through your *former* ISP, i.e. AT&T. There is no reason for you to be using AOL other than you CANNOT use AT&T any longer.
> 8 results for mark.prob...@gmail.com stalking, harassment and abuse > of me and my family. > > 128 results for mark .probert@gmail. com stalking That means you should stop doing it.
> 19 results for mark .probert@gmail. com harassing That means you should stop doing it.
> 19 results for mark .probert@gmail. com harassment That means you should stop doing it.
> Sorted by relevance Sort by date > 94 results for mark .probert@gmail. com my family That means you should stop mentioning them.
Happy Oyster - 31 Jul 2009 04:17 GMT [...]
>> More of her stalking, harassment and abuse of me and my family. She >> did not learn her lesson when her ISP kicked her out. > >That is a blatant lie. AT&T/sbcglobal stopped carrying Google Groups Oh, oh, there she goes...
Would you believe that this Jan Drew is too stupid to count to 2? Yes, she really is.
>> Well, Jan Drew, a person who is too stupid to count to 2, talks about lies...? > >That another lie and insult. The fact is [a person, who ist stalked by Jan Drew for sears] posted his age >as 11/26. Please, note this sentence:
>I have proven he used 1946 in his email address. *************************************************
>2009-1946 = 63. On oivember 26 of this year he will be 64. Several times already I posted a timeline of events. I do it again now, including the basic develoments first:
>[a person, who ist stalked by Jan Drew for sears] wrote in message >news:e5d4c9a4-edb6-429e-a95f-9b7fef936df5@y17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >Thanks for proving you are a liar again. >And, I am correct. You and you alone posted your birthday. To make things a bit easier to see, this is a table of events.
A person born on 26.11. 1946 is on
26.11.1946 born 26.11.1947 1 year old 26.11.1948 2 years old 26.11.1949 3 years old 26.11.1950 4 years old 26.11.1951 5 years old 26.11.1952 6 years old 26.11.1953 7 years old 26.11.1954 8 years old 26.11.1955 9 years old 26.11.1956 10 years old 26.11.1957 11 years old 26.11.1958 12 years old 26.11.1959 13 years old 26.11.1960 14 years old 26.11.1961 15 years old 26.11.1962 16 years old 26.11.1963 17 years old 26.11.1964 18 years old 26.11.1965 19 years old 26.11.1966 20 years old 26.11.1967 21 years old 26.11.1968 22 years old 26.11.1969 23 years old 26.11.1970 24 years old 26.11.1971 25 years old 26.11.1972 26 years old 26.11.1973 27 years old 26.11.1974 28 years old 26.11.1975 29 years old 26.11.1976 30 years old 26.11.1977 31 years old 26.11.1978 32 years old 26.11.1979 33 years old 26.11.1980 34 years old 26.11.1981 35 years old 26.11.1982 36 years old 26.11.1983 37 years old 26.11.1984 38 years old 26.11.1985 39 years old 26.11.1986 40 years old 26.11.1987 41 years old 26.11.1988 42 years old 26.11.1989 43 years old 26.11.1990 44 years old 26.11.1991 45 years old 26.11.1992 46 years old 26.11.1993 47 years old 26.11.1994 48 years old 26.11.1995 49 years old 26.11.1996 50 years old 26.11.1997 51 years old 26.11.1998 52 years old 26.11.1999 53 years old 26.11.2000 54 years old 26.11.2001 55 years old 26.11.2002 56 years old 26.11.2003 57 years old 26.11.2004 58 years old 26.11.2005 59 years old 26.11.2006 60 years old 26.11.2007 61 years old 26.11.2008 62 years old 26.11.2009 63 years old ************************ 26.11.2010 64 years old
On the 26.11. 2009 that person WILL BECOME 63 years old! ********************************************************
But, see bavoe, Jan Drew still insists:
>2009-1946 = 63. On oivember 26 of this year he will be 64. Now, a person born on 26.11. 1946 is on the very day "26.11.1946" BORN.
1 year later it will be 1 year old:
26.11.1947 1 year old
According to my timeline at 26.11.2009 it will be 63 years old.
But Jan Drew insists on
On oivember 26 of this year he will be 64.
Will Jan Drew be able to point where in my timeline there is an error?
Will Jan Drew be able to explain it?
Or will she, as usual, bring nothing but more lies, insults, forgeries, or other mess?
>> >> The situation is like with a child who hits you again and again with his foot >> >> and each time yells "HIT ME!, HIT ME! You are not allowed to do that, ha!, ha!, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Oh, I just bet you are scared. You are the one who said it was a holy >war. The war is on and you willl be roasted.
You were warned, but now it is too late.
>> >> I have seen several regular members here during the last years, who were >> >> attacked by Jan Drew. I phoned with 2 of them. You are not the only victim of >> >> Jan Drew. >> >I thought you wanted everything in public. Most like you and Mark >have been busy emailing each other. I even phone with people.
>> >> Shall free speech be smashed to pieces by some criminals? I don't think so. > >What criminals? Guess!
>> >> But free speech depends on civilized behavior - and this is exactly what Jan >> >> Drew does NOT have. Would you leave your house to someone stalking you? I don't [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >And, your proof is? Why should *I* prove anything to Jan Drew?
>> >> But I understand your point of view, and - as you are helpless - I dare to >> >> intervene. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Prove it. No, no, not that game.
As I said: IT IS WAR!
>> >> To prevent damage the real driving forces of persons like Jan Drew must be >> >> shown, so that people will realize, what a danger she is, and that it is better >> >> NOT to follow all her lies and claims. >> >People can make their own decisions. That is one of the most sadistic lies of the naturopathic mafiosi. FIRST, they desinform people, mislead them, make false claims, THEN it is "make your own decisions".
The satanic trick: By making one's "OWN" decision one is responsible for whatever happens, even if one was brought into that situation by the lies of the mafiosi.
This way the mafiosi NEVER are guilty for whatever happens, even if children die like flies because of not being vaccinated.
>> >Now, I am a she. ?Which means you have lied over, and over, and over. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Wrong. You posted *her*. Do not lie! I wrote the reason, and it is valid.
>> >> These things are complicated as they include a lot of mass psychology AND as >> >> everything is handled IN PUBLIC. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >ZZzz, Yes, Jan Drew is too stupid to count - as was proven so many times these days.
>> I only talk with interesting people. > >Like [a person, who ist stalked by Jan Drew for sears]..... Naturally.
>> >> This is why I explain the backgrounds; people have to understand the goings-on. > >Your explantions are ridiculous. As usual. Jan Drew does not understand them. No wonder. She even can't count to 2.
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Happy Oyster - 28 Jul 2009 05:58 GMT >> Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they? >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >management's neglect of duty and follow-up on drugs already on the >market is unconscionable and has been for a long time. That does make the naturopathic stuff work?
If the FDA messes up like that, why then should we believe people who have no medical education, who from the start do nothing but lie, who even refuse to prove tthat their methods work?
In other words: if the FDA messes up, why then should we commit suicide by following criminals and idiots, who are much worse than the FDA?
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Bob Officer - 28 Jul 2009 13:14 GMT >>> Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they? >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >In other words: if the FDA messes up, why then should we commit suicide by >following criminals and idiots, who are much worse than the FDA? Kev's Mommy has never been good at critical thinking or logic. Her only source for those numbers is one "news site" on the web operated by Mike Adams.
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KevysMom - 28 Jul 2009 14:51 GMT > >> Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they? > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > In other words: if the FDA messes up, why then should we commit suicide by > following criminals and idiots, who are much worse than the FDA? You totally avoided my question.
I look forward to you answering my original question, How many people die from using "NATURAL STUFF"?
Happy Oyster - 28 Jul 2009 16:05 GMT >> >> Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they? >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >I look forward to you answering my original question, How many people >die from using "NATURAL STUFF"? Who do you mean? Learn to quote!
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KevysMom - 28 Jul 2009 17:36 GMT > >I look forward to you answering my original question, How many people > >die from using "NATURAL STUFF"? > > Who do you mean? Learn to quote! You, thats who.
I will learn to quote when you learn to answer questions that on topic.
Happy Oyster - 28 Jul 2009 17:47 GMT >> >I look forward to you answering my original question, How many people >> >die from using "NATURAL STUFF"? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I will learn to quote when you learn to answer questions that on >topic. That is hogwash.
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KevysMom - 28 Jul 2009 17:49 GMT > >> Who do you mean? Learn to quote! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > That is hogwash. LOL, you did it again, You avoided the question.
When a Pharma Shill gets caught with his pants down, they run and hide, and that's exactly what you are doing, now.
Happy Oyster - 28 Jul 2009 17:58 GMT >> >> Who do you mean? Learn to quote! >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >When a Pharma Shill gets caught with his pants down, they run and >hide, and that's exactly what you are doing, now. That is hogwash.
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Bob Officer - 29 Jul 2009 01:12 GMT >>> >I look forward to you answering my original question, How many people >>> >die from using "NATURAL STUFF"? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >That is hogwash. How many people died last year from Radon Daughters?
200,000+ Worldwide? (the estamite I recall is 20% of all lung canger (small cell) is related to Radon Exposure.)
http://www.lungusa.org/site/c.dvLUK9O0E/b.35420/
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Mark Probert - 29 Jul 2009 04:24 GMT > > >> Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they? > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > I look forward to you answering my original question, How many people > die from using "NATURAL STUFF"?- There is no way to know, since the alties who promote it have prevented an effective reporting system to be put in place. They removed the FDA oversight in the early 1990's, when two corrupt Senators (Hasrkin and Hatch) pushed the law through.
Jan Drew - 30 Jul 2009 04:38 GMT > > > >> Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they? > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > removed the FDA oversight in the early 1990's, when two corrupt > Senators (Hasrkin and Hatch) pushed the law through.- Hide quoted text - From a corrupt disbarred attorney. With a foul mouth, harsser, known liar, and name caller.
Mark Probert - 30 Jul 2009 13:47 GMT > > > > >> Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they? > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > From a corrupt disbarred attorney. With a foul mouth, harsser, known > liar, and name caller.- YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES. You may use AOL.COM for lawful purposes only. You may not submit or transmit through AOL.COM any material, or otherwise engage in any conduct that:
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Jan Drew - 30 Jul 2009 23:16 GMT > > > > > >> Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they? > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > From a corrupt disbarred attorney. �With a foul mouth, harsser, known > > liar, and name caller. Mark Probert - 31 Jul 2009 02:05 GMT > > > > > > >> Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they? > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > From a corrupt disbarred attorney. With a foul mouth, harsser, known > > > liar, and name caller. YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES.
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Peter B. - 29 Jul 2009 08:21 GMT > >> Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they? > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > suicide by > following criminals and idiots, who are much worse than the FDA? You totally avoided my question.
I look forward to you answering my original question, How many people die from using "NATURAL STUFF"? ======================================= Well there are more than a few who died from drinking water.
Then there are those that died from eating cream, cheese, wine, tequila, breathing too much oxygen, hydrogen, helium, eating avacadoes, brussel sprouts, peanuts, thousands have died from soy beans, need I go on?
t - 29 Jul 2009 13:41 GMT >> >> Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they? >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > >>So, do you have anything of any value to say? If so, please do so now. Bob Officer - 29 Jul 2009 23:52 GMT >> >> Natural drugs are sooo much better, aren't they? >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >breathing too much oxygen, hydrogen, helium, eating avacadoes, brussel >sprouts, peanuts, thousands have died from soy beans, need I go on? The problem is stupid people are confused by the use of the word "natural".
If one listens closely to advertisements on TV and Radio, it is evident the target audiences is stupid people.
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t - 30 Jul 2009 13:13 GMT >> The problem is stupid people are confused by the use of the word >> "natural". [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> Yes, it is true that stupid people are confused by the word. Bobby is >> living , much posted proof.
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