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Mercury Fillings Shattered! FDA, ADA Conspiracy to Poison Children with Toxic Mercury Fillings Exposed in Groundbreaking Lawsuit ... BRAVO!

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Ilena Rose - 26 Jul 2009 22:47 GMT
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Originally published June 5 2008

Mercury Fillings Shattered! FDA, ADA Conspiracy to Poison Children
with Toxic Mercury Fillings Exposed in Groundbreaking Lawsuit

by Mike Adams (<http://www.naturalnews.com/index-HRarticles.html>see
all articles by this author)

(NaturalNews) The FDA has, for decades, ridiculously insisted that
mercury fillings pose no health threat whatsoever to children. While
dismissing hundreds of studies showing a clear link between mercury
amalgam fillings ("silver fillings") and disastrous neurological
effects in the human body, the FDA denied the truth about mercury and
effectively protected the mercury filling racket that has brought so
much harm to so many people. For over a hundred years, a cabal of
"mercury mongers" made up of
<http://www.naturalnews.com/the_American_Dental_Association.html>the
American Dental Association, mercury filling manufacturers and
indignant <http://www.naturalnews.com/dentists.html>dentists have
reaped windfall profits by implanting toxic fillings into the mouths
of children, all while insisting that
<http://www.naturalnews.com/mercury.html>mercury -- one of the most
toxic heavy metals known to modern science -- posed no health threat
whatsoever.

Today, that reign of
<http://www.naturalnews.com/toxicity.html>toxicity is about to end.
Thanks to the tireless, multi-year efforts of people like Charles
Brown, National Counsel for Consumers for Dental Choice
(<http://www.ToxicTeeth.org>www.ToxicTeeth.org),
<http://www.naturalnews.com/the_FDA.html>the FDA has now been forced
to acknowledge a fact so fundamental that, by any measure of honest
science, it should have adopted the position decades ago. What
position is that? Simply that mercury is toxic to humans.

Why the FDA has to be sued to do its job of protecting consumers

The FDA's stonewalling on this issue has been nothing less than a
circus of politically-motivated denials, much like the Big Tobacco
executives swearing under oath that "Nicotine is not addictive." In
similar style, the FDA insisted for decades that "Mercury is not
toxic." Both statements, as any sane person can readily conclude, are
the outbursts of lunatics. Sadly, those lunatics somehow remain in
charge of our nation's food, drugs and cosmetics (and
<http://www.naturalnews.com/dental_care.html>dental care), meaning
that any real progress to protect the People must come from outside
the FDA.

And that's exactly what just happened. Consumers for Dental Choice
teamed up with Moms Against Mercury
(<http://www.MomsAgainstMercury.org>www.MomsAgainstMercury.org) to sue
the FDA and its commissioner whose name sounds like an evil-minded
villian right out of a Marvel comic book: Von
<http://www.naturalnews.com/Eschenbach.html>Eschenbach. The lawsuit,
entitled, Moms Against Mercury et al. v. Von Eschenbach, Commissioner,
et al was concluded earlier this week with a reluctant agreement by
the FDA to both change its website on the issue of mercury and to
reclassify mercury within one year, following a period of public
comment (which the agency will no doubt try to drag out as long as
possible in order to avoid actually sticking to the terms of the
lawsuit agreement).

Remarkably, the FDA's website no longer claims mercury is harmless.
The language has now been changed in dramatic
<http://www.naturalnews.com/fashion.html>fashion, reading: "Dental
<http://www.naturalnews.com/amalgams.html>amalgams contain mercury,
which may have neurotoxic effects on the nervous systems of developing
children and fetus."

There's still a lot of fudging there. Note the careful use of the word
"may," which means the FDA still isn't sure whether mercury is
neurotoxic, but it might be. This is the FDA's way of continuing to
stonewall this issue, even as it lost its lawsuit. For any FDA
officials who don't yet think mercury is toxic to the human
<http://www.naturalnews.com/nervous_system.html>nervous system, I
invite them to chug a few milliliters of the substance themselves and
find out what the effects might be. It certainly couldn't make them
any more mad than they are already!

Why the FDA is as mad as a hatter

Speaking of people going mad with mercury, that's the history of the
term "as mad as a hatter." As explained by
<http://www.naturalnews.com/Wikipedia.html>Wikipedia:

There is scientific evidence behind the meaning of insanity. Mercury
was used in the process of curing felt used in some hats. It was
impossible for hatters to avoid inhaling the mercury fumes given off
during the hat making process. Hatters and other men in working mills
died early due to the residual mercury caused
<http://www.naturalnews.com/neurological_damage.html>neurological
damage, as well as confused speech and distorted vision. As the
<http://www.naturalnews.com/mercury_poisoning.html>mercury poisoning
progressed to dangerously high levels, sufferers could also experience
psychotic symptoms, such as hallucinations. See
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_hatter#.22Mad_as_a_Hatter.22>http://en.wikipedi
a.org/wiki/Mad_hatter
...
to read more.

Interestingly, the symptoms of mercury toxicity quite accurately
describe the mental state of the top decision makers at both the FDA
and the
<http://www.naturalnews.com/American_Dental_Association.html>American
Dental Association, both of which have hallucinated for decades that
mercury was safe for children to swallow! These people also exhibit
symptoms of serious neurological damage such as malfunctioning frontal
lobes -- the part of the brain responsible for reasoning. They also
seem to lack proper functioning in the part of brain responsible for
empathy and compassion towards fellow
<http://www.naturalnews.com/human_beings.html>human beings.

Perhaps top FDA and <http://www.naturalnews.com/ADA.html>ADA officials
have been chemically lobotomized in some way, and there's no question
that the leaders in conventional
<http://www.naturalnews.com/dentistry.html>dentistry suffer from
advanced stages of psychosis, too. This could very well be due to the
fact that their ongoing use of
<http://www.naturalnews.com/mercury_fillings.html>mercury fillings has
exposed them to decades of mercury vapors and airborne particles which
have entered their nervous systems and damaged their brains, making
them appear quite mad.

Thus, the modern version of "mad as a hatter" might be, "mad as a
<http://www.naturalnews.com/dentist.html>dentist."

Not all dentists are mad, mind you, but the ones that still work with
mercury no doubt suffer very real neurological damage as a result.

What's next for the FDA

Despite this lawsuit victory, please keep in mind that the FDA has not
agreed to immediately ban toxic mercury fillings. They have merely
agreed to consider reclassifying mercury at some future date -- a
commitment they will probably break, given their history of lying
about mercury and refusing to do what they've agreed to do on this
subject (see the interview, below, for more details on that).

At every opportunity throughout recent history, the FDA has gone out
of its way to censor the truth about the toxicity of mercury fillings,
thereby directly supporting the continued exposure of literally
hundreds of millions of children, adults and senior citizens to a
substance that every reasonable scientist in the modern world knows to
be highly toxic to the human nervous system. And in this way, the FDA
is guilty of crimes against the People. To know that a substance is
highly toxic, and yet to continue allowing it to be implanted into the
mouths of children, teens and adults (even when you have the power to
ban it) is not merely irresponsible, it is downright criminal.

I can only hope that a nationwide class action lawsuit against
<http://www.naturalnews.com/the_ADA.html>the ADA, the FDA, local
dentists and mercury manufacturers will emerge from this action.
Countless Americans have been poisoned by mercury fillings, and the
whole scam has been orchestrated by the usual suspects: Powerful
<http://www.naturalnews.com/corporations.html>corporations and
industry groups that sought to exploit the People for profits,
regardless of the harm it might cause them. The fact that a substance
as toxic as mercury has been allowed to be implanted into the mouths
of children for so long reveals precisely how corrupt, outdated and
downright dangerous our system of modern dentistry has really become.
Much of what comes out of the mouths of dentists, it turns out, is
pure poison... and not coincidentally, that's exactly what those same
dentists put into the mouths of their own patients!

But I don't want to give the impression that all dentists are evil. In
fact, more and more dentists are now practicing mercury-free
dentistry, and I strongly recommend that if you need to see a dentist
in the future, insist on seeing one that has given up using mercury.
This is more than a personal health issue, it's also an environmental
issue. Where do you think all the mercury goes after you chew on those
silver fillings and swallow little mercury bits? The mercury molecules
that aren't absorbed by your body and lodged in your brain cells are
eliminated from the body and flow right into
<http://www.naturalnews.com/the_environment.html>the environment. Ever
wonder why all the <http://www.naturalnews.com/seafood.html>seafood
bring harvested from the ocean these days is contaminated with
mercury? Well now you know: It's due to all the toxic consumers peeing
away the mercury they've swallowed from their silver fillings!

See my related CounterThink Cartoon, Seafood Mercury Warning at
<http://www.naturalnews.com/021690.html>http://www.naturalnews.com/021690.html

The FDA remains steadfastly clueless about mercury

So now, thanks to this lawsuit, the FDA has changed its website to
read: "Pregnant women and persons who may have a health condition that
makes them more sensitive to mercury exposure, including individuals
with existing high levels of mercury bioburden, should not avoid
seeking dental care, but should discuss options with their health
practitioner."

This sentence says nothing conclusive of course, and it doesn't urge
consumers to avoid mercury in any way, but it does at least imply that
perhaps there is a link between dental care and mercury poisoning. If
you're interested in being amused, you can read all this distorted
language yourself at:
<http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/consumer/amalgams.html>http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/consumer/
amalgams.html


This document, by the way, reveals the outright stupidity of FDA
"experts" as they stumble from one topic to the next. For example, one
question asked on the page is:

Should <http://www.naturalnews.com/pregnant_women.html>pregnant women
and young children use or avoid amalgam fillings?

The FDA's answer to that is: The recent advisory panel believed that
there was not enough information to answer this question.

In other words, the FDA advisory panel selectively chose to avoid all
the evidence showing mercury to be extremely harmful to the nervous
system of a fetus or a child, and they have decided to pretend to be
uninformed on the subject rather than take any real stance on
protecting human beings from the toxicity of mercury. Wow, and to
think, these are the people running our national food supply and drug
approval processes, too! Is it any wonder so many drugs are deadly? If
the FDA thinks mercury is safe, no wonder they think deadly
pharmaceuticals don't harm people either!

Exclusive interview with Charles Brown, Consumers for Dental Choice

In the days leading up to this lawsuit with the FDA, I spoke to
Charles Brown over the phone and explored the timeline of events
involving the FDA and mercury. This interview, published below, is
nothing short of astonishing! In it, you'll learn about the FDA's
stonewalling tactics, the lies and deceptions of the American Dental
Association, and why it took an outside consumer group suing the FDA
to get the agency to do its job of protecting consumers from toxic
mercury.

Here's the full interview. Be sure to learn more at
<http://www.ToxicTeeth.org>www.ToxicTeeth.org

Mike: The story here is that you and the organization – Consumers for
Dental Choice are now suing the Food & Drug Administration to seek
removal of mercury fillings from the U.S. marketplace. Can you give us
some details about this lawsuit? Why you think suing the FDA is the
best way to go here.

Charlie: Well sure Mike, the FDA is the spoke of the wheel here. I
mean they are the ones that make decisions on whether products should
be on the market or should not be on the market. They approve, they
classify. In the case of devices – a device is something that is used
in <http://www.naturalnews.com/healthcare.html>healthcare and it is
separately regulated under a set of rules. One category of devices is
implants. Implants are what goes in the body but does not dissolve. It
stays in the body at least six months and does not dissolve.

Dental fillings are an implant. The FDA is deciding instead of
classifying, instead of regulating it, it will do nothing and it has
done nothing on mercury amalgam – encapsulated mercury fillings -
decade after decade. They continue to promise to act and actually,
last year they made me a written promise and I foolishly believed
them. I actually thought when they promised, in writing, that they
would begin the classifying process and put together the first step.

They promised me specifically what the step would be, I naively
thought, "Well, gee maybe these people are honorable and telling the
truth." Actually, once again, they have just pretended. Under
pressure, they will say they are going to do something – pressure from
Congress, pressure from the Courts, pressure from petitioners,
pressure from the press.

They will say, "Sure, we are going to do something." They do nothing.
They have left this mercury amalgam out there unclassified,
unregulated with no warnings and just a few news releases, which have
nothing to do with what they are supposed to be doing.

Mike: So mercury fillings – let me just get this straight from the
beginning here, have never been classified by the FDA, which means
they have never been really approved by the FDA, correct?

Charlie: Correct, this is a primitive filling in the first place but
the pre-primitive – the pre-historic system in the 19th and early 20th
Century was where was the dentist mixed the mercury with a powder.
That lasted until the 20th Century with the old-fashioned offices. It
is now prohibited in several states but that was the way where the
dentists would mix a bottle of mercury and powder. That has been
classified – not together, but the powder has been classified and the
bottle of mercury.

No dentist does that anymore. They are not allowed to do it that way
where the ADA tells them not to do it. The state government tells them
not to do it. Everybody tells them they cannot do it that way and they
do not do it that way. They take the capsule that they receive in the
mail. The capsule has never been classified. The FDA knows to
classify. Any step that the FDA takes, that the Food & Drug
Administration takes toward addressing mercury fillings they know it
is the beginning of the end.

Mike: That is my next question. Do you think there will be a cascading
effect here? I mean if the FDA honestly begins to apply the law; it
would then have to mean the end of mercury.

Charlie: It is the end of the mercury fillings if they apply law so
they have intentionally done nothing. If they classify amalgam, they
know they are going to have to classify it similar to other mercury
devices so they do not do it.

Mike: They just try to delay this and hope no one notices.

Charlie: They will delay until they retire – not delay until next
week. They will delay until they retire. Then they will get the golden
retirement egg from the American Dental Association. They also know
that if they did an Environmental Impact Statement it is the end of
mercury fillings.

Mike: Well, that is my next question.

The
<http://www.naturalnews.com/environmental_impact.html>environmental
impact of mercury fillings in dentistry

Charlie: Environmental... yes, sure – the Environmental Impact
Statement says it does not require you to go a certain step but if you
say if we use mercury fillings, it is the largest source of mercury in
the wastewater. Its cremation is the largest source of mercury in the
air except in communities that have many power plants is something.

In communities with no other industrial mercury uses it is the largest
source of mercury in the air and is the largest source of mercury in
the <http://www.naturalnews.com/water.html>water in every community in
<http://www.naturalnews.com/America.html>America -- the huge
contributor in coming out of cemeteries and so on. So you say if we
continue mercury fillings, it is an environmental disaster. If we ban
them, it is environmentally the right thing to do. Once they have done
that the logical step since you could go either way is to take the
environmentally friendly move.

They will not do an Environmental Impact Statement. It is a conscious
decision inside FDA of protectors of mercury fillings – people like
Susan Runner, people like Norris Alderson who have decided that they
will protect the use of these fillings on behalf of organized
dentistry and they will defy the laws of the land to do so.

Mike: I have so many questions to ask you about this. Let us start
with one that I think any intelligent reader would be asking himself
or herself and that is if this mercury is so toxic to human
biochemistry and if it has such a detrimental impact on the
environment, how could so many dentists and the American Dental
Association be in such strong support of it.

Charlie: Yes, it is amazing. It is amazing. It really goes to the
foundation stone. Clearly if we had it to do over again we would not
build the combustion engine. The invention of the combustion engine
may have been the decision that destroys our planet unless we can
reverse that. I mean clearly that is the main reason we are turning
our planet into a heat box.

However, the foundation stone is the combustion engine in which Henry
Ford put us. The foundation stone of dentistry is mercury fillings. If
there had been no mercury fillings, there would have been no dental
profession. That is a certainty. We now have
<http://www.naturalnews.com/physicians.html>physicians of the ear,
nose, and throat. In the 19th Century, there were physicians of the
mouth. They said to use mercury is malpractice.

The barbers put the mercury in. It worked better than gold, which was
very hot then. It hurt you to go in. Whereas, the mercury was nice and
smooth and people were drinking mercury for syphilis so they were able
to put it in there because medicine had not yet pushed it out of their
profession. They pushed it out again not counting
<http://www.naturalnews.com/vaccines.html>vaccines but they pushed it
out of medicine around 1900, but dentistry was something different.

By then dentistry had gotten their market niche. Their market niche
was we are going to take care of the mouth. They created an entirely
different profession – one that basically is not related to
healthcare. They take the position the mouth is so different from the
rest of the body we will just worry about the mouth and nothing else
and you <http://www.naturalnews.com/doctors.html>doctors will not
worry about the mouth at all. We have the most grotesque healthcare
system where physicians even refuse to look at the mouth. People in
the <http://www.naturalnews.com/hospital.html>hospital – you can be in
the hospital, you can be so sick and nobody is going to look at your
mouth except the dentist.

It is like a division of labor where they both make their money and
the person harmed is the public, so organized dentistry took the
position since mercury is safe by definition because we use it and we
are doctors, anything we put in the mouth is safe. They just put in...
they put beryllium in there.

They put anything in there with the idea of we are immune because we
are doctors. We know what we are doing and it is just a tragedy. It is
just unbelievable that we ended up with a profession so wedded to the
most neuro-toxic element on the planet.

Why dentists are walking away from mercury fillings

Mike: Well, you hinted at the arrogance of the professionals who
continue to support this mercury and you mentioned the history quite a
bit there. I have to wonder that given that nearly a hundred years
have passed since this was being widely introduced into dentistry and
with all the information about mercury's toxicity over the years, how
could dentists still say that this substance is not harmful? What is
their argument now?

Charlie: Well, half of them do not use it now. See half of them have
walked away from it. Here is what happened – enter the institutional
powerhouse, the American Dental Association, to impose a top down
system. The ADA realizing that they had a secret. The ADA became the
whole player on the field. The ADA is opposite
<http://www.naturalnews.com/the_AMA.html>the AMA in many ways and I am
not – believe me I am not a supporter of the
<http://www.naturalnews.com/American_Medical_Association.html>American
Medical Association. I do not mean to say that but in this one area
the AMA has a set of <http://www.naturalnews.com/ethics.html>ethics
that make sense, which is we do not endorse products for money. The
AMA ventured into that I think in about the '30s and decided they had
better stop and then they ventured into it again in the '90s and they
realized they could not.

They promised their membership. They had to fire their executive
director, break this contract with Sunbeam, and promise they will
never endorse products for money. That is the AMA's ethical position
and it is an ethical position. The ADA – the American Dental
Association has no such ethics, Mike. They endorse products for money.

The ADA, starting in the '50s really, the 1950's, they really took off
at that point. A product endorsement system, business studies show
that Crest was a minor
<http://www.naturalnews.com/toothpaste.html>toothpaste product
compared to Colgate. Crest surpassed Colgate because the they poured
money into the ADA coffers and the ADA, in turn, gave their name to
Crest to say we endorse this Crest toothpaste. It became such an
advantage for Crest that the other toothpaste makers decided they
would slop money to the ADA too, which they did.

The ADA was not only unethically telling the public a product is safe
when they did not know if it was safe. They were not testing it. The
ADA was even taking money from their members for joining and then
turning around and saying to their members you should use this product
because we endorse it, because it is safe and effective when they had
no idea if it was safe and effective.

They were serving two masters but the corporate master to ADA was
paramount and so they took these sums of money from every dental
products manufacturer, became a dental products endorsement machine
more than a professional group – much more than a professional group.
You had that basic powerhouse – the ADA saying go buy these products.

Then the ADA saw the criticism of mercury amalgam coming in the 1980's
and they knew they had to do something because they were getting money
from the manufacturers and they had dentists that did not want the
public to know. The ADA adopted a gag rule in their code of ethics in
1987 and it said that dentists should not tell anybody about the
toxicity of mercury.

Mike: Really?

Charlie: Yes, absolutely.

Mike: They adopted a gag rule about mercury fillings?

Charlie: They adopted a gag rule. In the Goldwater Center, the Phoenix
based Goldwater Center wrote an essay condemning the gag rule in 1998
– a decade later. They were the first ones to do it.

They are a think tank, kind of a libertarian think tank I guess you
would call it – the Goldwater Center. Modeled after the thinking of
their namesake of the group, of course, Senator Goldwater... he did
not found it but it was founded on his principles and Congressman
Flake was the executive director. He is now a Congressman.

When he was executive director, Mark Gingrich – a former reporter at
the Arizona Republic, who joined that group, wrote a whole report on
the gag rule and how bad it was. That was the libertarian from the
right if you will. The libertarian on the left – the American Civil
Liberties Union, took the same position. They sued the Connecticut
Dental Board here on the other coast, said you cannot have this gag
rule, and won.

Then the attorney general of Oregon, the attorney general of Iowa said
you have to stop the gag rule so bit by bit, piece by piece, the gag
rule has been dismantled but the value of it was the ADA protecting
its product.

I will tell you something else when they adopted the gag rule, I left
this out: the ADA had <http://www.naturalnews.com/patents.html>patents
on mercury amalgam. Not only did they get money for promoting the
product. They even got patents on amalgam to protect its use, then
told dentists do not talk about this product.

Mike: This sounds like just a financial racket here.

Charlie: The ADA is a financial racket. There is no question about it.
To break the control over mercury fillings you not only have the
history, they have to protect their profession, which was founded on
mercury. I mean it is not that now but it was founded on mercury – the
foundation stone. They have to protect their own history and their own
pocketbooks.

Now with the gag rule crumbling they have many problems. The ADA has
huge problems with this. They are in retreat. Mike, the one thing is
they are definitely this year they began retreating. We gave them an
exit strategy. December of 2006 I sat down in the ADA headquarters and
said you guys know you have to get out of this and I have a cost-free
exit strategy that will not destroy your reputation. We presented –
Consumers for Dental Choice presented the ADA – the American Dental
Association with an exit strategy on mercury fillings based on the
environment where the ADA could say they would not have to concede any
health issues. They would say we recognize that mercury amalgam is an
environmental problem. Alternatives exist, therefore, we are
announcing a phase out over the following number of years.

I asked for one year and they said it would have to be longer and I
said okay, but I said we have to have an end. People have said to me
well let us take them on like
<http://www.naturalnews.com/cigarettes.html>cigarettes and I will tell
that is about the worst prototype I can think of where the lawyers
became billionaires and kids are still smoking.

I am not going to tolerate that kind of end where a bunch of people
get rich and the kids are still harmed... because poor kids are still
getting mercury fillings and poor Latino pregnant women and Native
American children and so on are getting this. We are not going to
accept that. There has to be an end date.

They were willing to do it. The lawyers were willing to do it at this
discussion – December 14, 2006 at the ADA offices in Chicago but they
just could not pull the trigger with the ADA. They just could not have
a second meeting. They have decided instead through 2007 they are
doing a gradual retreat. There is no question they are. It is coming,
but the gradual retreat continues to harm millions of people in
America and around the world. Their gradual retreat is not acceptable.
We are not going to have a Vietnam ending where we have eight years to
withdraw.

Mike: Right, now, I mean obviously the ADA does not want to admit that
mercury fillings were ever a hazard because then they could open
themselves up to huge class-action
<http://www.naturalnews.com/lawsuits.html>lawsuits, right.

Charlie: Absolutely and I told them I hope they do get huge
class-action lawsuits and some day they will because they would not
walk away from it. They had their chance and they continued to give
this nonsensical stuff about how mercury exposure is okay as long as
they do it. It is just outrageous. It is morally outrageous and they
know it.

The scientific reports that they produce are cooked. They are
unethical. They have no scientific aspect. They are simply PR machines
where they find some dentist – not a real scientist but just their
fellow dentists to write reports. It is an effort to say we are going
to protect ourselves, we are going to have our government do it, the
government is going to do it for us, and the FDA is about as compliant
a government agency as ever existed.

Mike: Now, what happens if your lawsuit succeeds with the FDA? I mean
essentially, what has to happen next for the FDA to ban mercury
fillings?

Charlie: Well, they could take many routes. They could just ban it.
They could start doing their job. If they start the classifying
process then amalgam is gone. The ADA has admitted that. The ADA
warned its members the FDA is probably going to put restrictions on
amalgam. That process has started. They promised us they were starting
then the FDA just stopped. They just stopped because within the
organization they reversed the course and decided effectively that
dentists are more important to them than consumers. It is just so
tragic that dental economics out-trumps children's health but that is
the way the FDA operates.

Mike: Well but that cannot be a surprise to anyone who follows the
FDA...

Charlie: Well it is a surprise to those of us that had an assumption
that we actually believed what we were told. I know if you follow FDA,
it is not a surprise. The FDA needs to be totally reorganized. They
need to stop having a system where those with a self-interest in the
product are the ones that get to make the decisions.

The idea that Susan Runner, a practicing dentist, is at the FDA doing
the work for the ADA and has actually had a sort of agenda to cover up
mercury decade after decade and it is still being covered up in the
Dental Devices Branch. The fact that Dan Schultz – the physician who's
head of Devices will not remove her or allow anybody but a dentist to
be in charge, this shows the professional courtesy that physicians
give to dentists. Schultz simply closes his eyes.

He knows it is a problem but he is a physician. He wants dentists in
charge because that is the deal they made a hundred years ago that
dentists are in charge of the mouth and the public is shut out and
physicians are to blame as well on this for shutting their eyes. Dan
Schultz is as morally culpable and legally culpable at the FDA as
Susan Runner is. That is why we sued him and sued her both and several
other people.

Arresting top FDA officials and charging them with crimes against the
People

Mike: Now, I am on the record saying that I believe the FBI should
march into the FDA offices and arrest these individuals and we should
prosecute them for criminal behavior against the
<http://www.naturalnews.com/American_people.html>American people. Do
you think that is going way too far or do you think that's quite
reasonable?

Charlie: That is probably not going too far. We filed a series of
complaints with the Inspector General. We filed complaints with the
in-house FDA Inspector and then filed a complaint with the U.S.
Inspector General last Fall. They have decided they will not comply
with the law. They know they have to classify mercury amalgam. They
will not do it.

They know environmental impact statements are required or
environmental assessments are required – the first step. They will not
do it. They know that they warn about all of the mercury exposures
such as fish or they warn against as a matter of precaution mercury
exposure to children from all other sources. They banned mercurochrome
years ago. They took it out of childhood vaccines – actually not of
them but they said they would take it out of all of them.

They gave warnings on fish for children and pregnant women. They have
decided that they will stand silent on mercury and it is truly a
<http://www.naturalnews.com/conspiracy.html>conspiracy of silence.
That is why our lawsuit did not just sue the FDA. We sued five deep
into the bureaucracy. We know whom the players are who are ignoring
their duty and we have named them because we are tired of the FDA
having a system where they all can hide behind each other. I hope that
system ends and our lawsuit plays a role in exposing it.

Mike: Now, you just mentioned
<http://www.naturalnews.com/mercury_in_fish.html>mercury in fish and
that is a great point. Do you happen to know how many times more
mercury there is in a typical filling than would be found in a serving
of fish?

Charlie: Well, it is a more severe exposure because in the fish it is
locked in. The mercury from the fish is mainly going through the body.
It is a lesser exposure. The mercury in the amalgam is implanted. The
mercury in the fillings is thousands of times more because it is half
a gram. That is 500,000 micrograms per filling.

Mike: Where we are talking micrograms in the fish, right?

Charlie: Yes, yes we are. We are so I mean it is so much more but it
is a way for medicine and dentistry to change the subject and to blame
the fish. It is the fish's fault.

Mike: So the FDA says well, mercury in fish is dangerous to you but
mercury in your mouth, in your teeth is harmless.

Charlie: Well, the FDA has said that. You know the FDA does not speak
through its news releases. The FDA speaks through its regulations and
its warnings. It has never officially said anything about mercury
amalgam. They know it cannot stand the light of day. Yes, they make
off-the-cuff comments.

They come out with a white paper, which has nothing to do with a
regulation – and they refuse to say who wrote it. If FDA staff has
furtively sneaked out interviews, white papers, other ways to say
mercury fillings are safe but officially, FDA is not saying that at
all. Officially, FDA is taking the position that they have never taken
a position that it is safe.

When forced by the Court to say is mercury safe or not in the first
lawsuit we filed, the first bombs against mercury versus FDA, the FDA
admitted five times that it does not know if mercury fillings are
safe. I can give you all five quotations from their brief or I can
give people the website to look it up.

Meet Consumers for Dental Choice

Mike: Can you tell us a little bit, about where your passion comes
from on this topic and people would like to know a bit about your
background and your organization – Consumers for Dental Choice.

Charlie: Well, sure. Consumers for Dental Choice were founded a decade
ago. Came up with the idea in 1996 – it was an idea of Bob Jones who
is an inventor from Colorado and now in Texas. He is a former airline
pilot, former U2 pilot earlier than that. He is just an outstanding
man and inventor and an engineer. He has many patents.

He got very sick from mercury fillings and realized the impact of them
was severe. He got to know many of the pioneering dentists like Hal
Huggins and Scott McAdoo. He was out west and in the east Sue Ann
Taylor, a journalist in Atlanta came up with the idea that we really
need a consumer movement to fight this. Bob Jones had a conference,
which he paid for and sponsored in Denver in 1996.

I was in a law firm that represented a lot of
<http://www.naturalnews.com/alternative_health.html>alternative health
practitioners and interests and consumer groups in the kind of cutting
edge alternative health issues many of which no longer were cutting
edge because of the work of the senior partner, Jim Turner.

Anyway so Jim Turner and I went to that and we decided we would start
up the group but Jim came up with the idea we called it the Consumers
for Dental Choice and it became a project of another non-profit and
then became its own organization in 1999.

Then it became a spin off, I left the law firm with it in 2002 to
become a full-time consumer group with an office and so on. It has
been around for 12 years. It has been a stand-alone organization for
six. I got into it representing alternative health groups. I
represented many alternative health ideas. I have been a state
attorney general of West Virginia in the 1980's. I have been a
political activist in the past and had interesting kinds of legal
challenges I think.

This has just appealed to me and I guess the more I get into it the
more I realize how many children are being hurt and how many animals
are being poisoned and we have to do something. The way to do it is to
have a very aggressive activist organization. It needs to get right in
the face of federal or state regulators or the private sector
interests like manufacturers or the ADA.

Mike: What about your funding? Where does your funding come from?

Charlie: We get some money from foundations – the Garfield Foundation
is a wonderful funder, has funded us for seven years. For a long time
we were funded by the Wallis Research Foundation, a family foundation.
The patriarch was H. B. Wallis, an inventor from Iowa. He then lived
in Scottsdale near you Mike.

He died a couple of years ago and that funding ended at that point
from the Wallis Research Foundation but Garfield funds us and then
individual dentists and that number grows each year... dentists who
have decided to give money off their credit card every month or give
an annual contribution and it is very exciting. These people are
mercury-free. They are the people who know the ADA is wrong and know
we need to fight and they are so much a part of our team that quite a
few of them give money. It is terrific.

Mike: How quickly is that movement accelerating towards mercury-free
dental care?

Charlie: Well, fast. The number of mercury-free dentists, if that is
any measurement, was 9% in 1995. This is according to the Clinical
Research Associates run by the preeminent dentist scholar, very
neutral. He has no dog in our fight – Gordon Christensen out of Orem,
Utah.

One of the things he surveys in dentists is who is mercury-free and it
was 9% in 1995. Then 27% of dentists were mercury-free by 2001; by
2005, it was 32%. In 2007, a different survey – this was by a dental
magazine said that 52% of the dentists are now mercury-free. It may
have reached that number. It may have reached half. It may have
reached the tipping point. The progress on dentists is huge. The
progress of consumers, the number of mercury fillings was far over 50%
when we started, like 60% or something like that I believe or more.

The ADA says it is fewer than 30%. I am sure it is but that is the
good news. The bad news is it could well get frozen at that number
where we have two-tier dentistry where middle-class adults get no
mercury but the poor, the children, the working class people,
minorities, children, they keep getting mercury and that is absolutely
both immoral and unacceptable.

Mike: How much mercury is actually released into the environment or
put into people's mouths each year through dentistry?

Charlie: Well, I do not have that but the expert is the Mercury Policy
Project and Michael Bender. They are really the experts. Their website
is <http://www.MercuryPolicy.org>www.MercuryPolicy.org. Michael has
written just some seminal reports on this. About every two years, he
writes another one. If the folks want to go to
<http://www.MercuryPolicy.org>www.MercuryPolicy.org they will
definitely see what they need to do.

Mike: While we are mentioning websites, I want to mention yours again.
It is <http://www.ToxicTeeth.org>www.ToxicTeeth.org

Charlie: Yes it is.

Mike: Can consumers also financially support your organization with a
donation?

Charlie: Sure, our address is 316 F Street Northeast, Suite 316,
Washington, D.C. 20002 and again our website is
<http://www.ToxicTeeth.org>www.ToxicTeeth.org

Why conventional dentists are so arrogant about mercury and fluoride

Mike: Okay and I will check out
<http://www.MercuryPolicy.org>www.MercuryPolicy.org too. I will take a
close look at that. Getting back to the dentists themselves it is
encouraging to see that perhaps as many as half of practicing dentists
are now shunning the use of mercury. You have to wonder what the other
half are thinking though.

I have had numerous conversations, debates, arguments with dentists. I
find that those who are still using mercury also still support mass
<http://www.naturalnews.com/fluoridation.html>fluoridation of the
water supply. They are some of the most arrogant people I have ever
met. It is infuriating because his or her position is that no one has
any right to question mercury or fluoridation. It makes you wonder.
Where are these people coming from that they think they already know
so much about mercury that they have declared it to be harmless and no
one can challenge that?

Charlie: Albert Einstein once said it is always unusual to find
someone for whom curiosity survives a formal education. There are so
many dentists and they are not alone in this among professionals who
get that degree and now they can turn off their brain and make money.
These people have decided just to read the ADA propaganda and that is
it.

You hear that these pro-mercury dentists defend their use of mercury
fillings and they will not use the word "mercury" they will give false
information as if it is inert. It is not. They know it is not. If they
read anything, they know it is not inert.

They may just decide to believe it themselves and their big rationale
and every pro-mercury dentist that you talk to will give this
rationale within the first two minutes. We know it is safe because we
have used it for 150 years. Now, I guess the first response to that is
what other part of pre-civil war medicine do you endorse?

The second point is that it is the most absurd scientific reasoning to
say something has been used a long time and therefore is safe. I mean
cigarettes must be safe. I have this article, a copy of it, from the
British Lancet. Lancet is the British equivalent of the American
Medical Association Journal but it is much better. It is much less
sleazy in its connection to special interest groups, which the AMA
Journal certainly is.

The Lancet had an article in 1860, an editorial in 1860 that said
cigarettes are the universal product around. If it were dangerous as
if its critics said people would be dropping dead in the streets, and
clearly its universal use proves that it is safe and it is time to
quit criticizing it. That is what things are with amalgam. They make
jokes. Well, nobody dropped dead in my office, they say.

Well, if somebody gets sick later he or she does not go back to the
dentist. The dentist says I am just in charge of the mouth and just
the metals I put in the mouth. I do not have any other role. If I cut
you while I am putting it in, well I know I have to deal with that
because then I have done something that is in the mouth.

Any total body effect of what I do leaves with the patient. They get
that patient out of the office. They are done with them and then they
have this wall of silence and nobody can get back in and beat them in
court, although we are going to beat them in court soon. Dentists
literally say it is safe because we have done it for 150 years. Does
that make it good? – is this good if we do it for 150 years?

It was the same argument for slavery. It was the same argument for
cigarettes. It is the same argument for everything. If we do it long
enough it must be good. That is just the most absurd thing for a man
of science or a woman of science to say but by goodness, they do.

Mike: Yes, they do. I know you are not focusing on fluoridation but of
course, this issue extends to fluoridation where I personally find
many of the same similarities – a complete lack of scientific evidence
supporting it, a denial of the dangers of fluoridation and the extreme
arrogance and unwillingness to consider any possibility that they
might be wrong.

Charlie: Yes, absolutely, absolutely and I think that is why you would
say well how could this continue for so long. I mean how segregation
could continue for a hundred years. I mean how could it take 70 years
to ban lead in <http://www.naturalnews.com/gasoline.html>gasoline?

In the early 1920's as they started to mass produce gasoline with lead
in it the people started dying. Workers died. Workers died in large
numbers and everyone knew lead was the culprit... I mean everyone
knew. Just as everyone knows mercury is toxic. Everyone knew lead in
the 1920's knew lead was toxic.

The gasoline industry and the
<http://www.naturalnews.com/oil_industry.html>oil industry came up
with two solutions. One is they thought of the funny word that said we
have added ethyl to the gas. It means lead but they thought just as
the dentists say silver fillings or amalgam. To protect the workers
they raised the steam stacks in the plants where the gasoline was
made.

In other words, rather than the workers getting sick and dying
immediately from the lead exposure, the chimneys were raised so high
that the lead went into the higher atmosphere and started just
polluting the whole country. The workers were semi-saved in the sense
they were not dying on the spot and the whole country was getting to
the point of huge toxicity.

The study showed that as we took the lead out of gasoline in the '70s
the level of <http://www.naturalnews.com/violence.html>violence
committed by teenagers started going down immediately because each
year they were less lead-toxic and the ones growing up were not
starting out with lead toxicity. Lead toxicity like mercury toxicity
causes people to be violent because they are poisoned. They just
strike out.

It took from the '20s to the late '70s and everybody knew it was toxic
and again with mercury fillings because the oil industry had such
well-placed lobbyists and they were able to revert the question,
saying we do not have to prove it is safe, you have to prove it is
unsafe. That is what the dentists keep doing. We have done it for 150
years so prove it. Well, okay we can prove it. But they say, now you
are not going to prove it with us having the government in our pocket.

The government people are in their pocket. Randall Luter, who had a
lot of promise, he was Deputy Commissioner. He has just decided to
sleep on it. Let the dentists and the bureaucrats' be back in charge
of this issue at FDA; those people have decided we do not care. We are
going to protect special interest groups or we are going to let others
at FDA protect special interest groups so we have a similar resolve.

How to stop the FDA with a lawsuit

Mike: To conclude this – getting back to the lawsuit itself, if you
win the lawsuit can it force the FDA to rule on this? Why cannot the
FDA just say we will deal with it later? I mean can they not just
continue to delay even if you win the lawsuit?

Charlie: Well, that is a challenge. You pointed to that. I mean if a
court just looks at the FDA and says hurry up and do it, the FDA will
nod, oh your honor we certainly will. We will hurry as fast as we can.
In that sense, it may not do anything. We are trying to build
accountability of public officials and that is why we have asked for
the remedy that the court should simply take it off the market until
FDA does its job.

Then I will bet they start moving fast. That is a challenge – a
challenge to get that kind of remedy. Nonetheless, we have to begin.
We sued them in the U.S. Court of Appeals. The Court of Appeals gave
us a roadmap to go to district court. We were all set to file in May
of 2007 and the FDA said no they would like a meeting. Please do not
file. They would like a meeting. We had a meeting. We said we need an
answer in 30 days.

In 30 days, the FDA answered and said yes, we will do an advanced
notice and a proposed rule. I got a letter from the lawyer for the
FDA, Wendy Vincente saying speaking for the FDA we will do this... we
assumed that the FDA was telling us the truth. We were wrong so we
waited and waited and waited because we would have filed this suit in
June.

The FDA just bought six, seven months of time simply by telling
another bald faced lie, which was that they were going to start moving
forward to classify amalgam when... I think some people at the FDA
probably have that intention. I think there was good faith from some
people but the bureaucrats – the ones that want to keep mercury
fillings unclassified, protected for dentistry like Susan Runner -
have won out.

The FDA is so badly organized, its lead scientist – the Associate
Commissioner for Science, the top science person of the agency, degree
is in veterinarian medicine.

Mike: Their degree is in veterinarian medicine?

Charlie: Veterinarian medicine – not a toxicologist, not a chemist,
the top person has a degree in veterinarian medicine.

Mike: Well, let me just say right here let me offer that when it comes
time to apply grassroots pressure give me a call because we can put
out an action alert to our reader base, which is now over one million
people.

Charlie: That is fantastic.

Mike: If we coordinate it with what you are doing then we can create
this real surge of grassroots pressure because I think what you are
finding out is that if you take the FDA's word on anything, then
nothing is done. If we can pressure them from another angle that can
really assist your lawsuit effort or other efforts in applying
pressure. What we need is a re-launch of a campaign as you had
"Mothers Against Mercury." We need, what I call, a Web sticker – like
a bumper sticker on the Web. We need a little graphic, name like that
"Mothers Against Mercury", launch this campaign, and let it go viral
all across the Web tied to action items such as grass roots complaints
or protests – those kinds of things.

Charlie: Well, I will tell you where we are going to work grass roots
and I am happy because I have already told the company we are,
Dentsply, is the second largest manufacturer of mercury fillings. They
make others. They make resin. They make composite.

They also make the alternatives – porcelain and so on I think. I know
they make a resin composite. They make many other dental products and
<http://www.naturalnews.com/Wall_Street.html>Wall Street report said
Dentsply would be better off if amalgam was banned, they would be more
profitable. Dentsply nonetheless has dug in its heels and said we are
going to keep making mercury fillings. Basically, Dentsply has turned
its back on its own shareholders.

The Wall Street has said stop and they said we are not going to stop.
Now whether this is just some kind of backroom deal with the ADA or
pressure from the ADA that they cannot stand or some other reason that
they will not explain to me. I have written them and their counsel
wrote me back a "back of the hand" letter... about a two-paragraph
letter or three paragraphs saying [nothing substantial]. Dentsply is
not only harming consumers and dentists – dental employees, dental
workers, the environment all of which they could be sued for.

They have an easy exit route. They could make the non-mercury
fillings. That is an area we are going to work on – they are based in
York, Pennsylvania. I think their day is going to come.

Mike: Well, what if we can organize all kinds of protests around that
company even maybe not in person but phone calls, faxes, emails...

Charlie: Well, why not in person? Anybody who is listening to this and
wants to contact me or anybody around the York, PA area or anybody in
Pennsylvania that wants to help us ought to contact me that want to go
in person. My email is Charlie@ToxicTeeth.org We would like to get
people to write but we want folks that are somewhere in the Maryland,
eastern half of Pennsylvania...

Mike: We have readers all over the country and I know we could get
people there. I do not know how many. I do not know if it is ten, 100,
or what but I know we have people emailing us all the time asking what
we can do. What can we do to fight these evil corporations? If we get
some people out there protesting with signs – "Mercury poisoned my
child" on their sign. If we get that up on YouTube this could have
just a huge domino effect not only make more people aware of your
organization but also the mercury toxicity issue.

Charlie: Okay, I will. Thank you sir.

Prologue

Following this interview, Charles Brown won a significant court
victory over the FDA, and now the FDA has promised it will reclassify
mercury by June, 2009. Between now and then, NaturalNews will be
working closely with ToxicTeeth.org to rally grassroots support for an
outright ban on mercury amalgam fillings.

Stand by for action alerts on internet protests, petitions, and
perhaps even in-person protests. We must work together to demand that
toxic mercury fillings be banned. Then we will end the hundred-year
reign of neurotoxic terror that has been orchestrated by the ADA, the
FDA and the conventional dentistry industry. We will also support a
national class-action lawsuit against not just the ADA and FDA, but
even against the individual dentists who have installed these toxic
mercury fillings into the mouths of children over the last ten years,
despite the incredible amount of scientific evidence proving that
mercury fillings cause irreparable harm to human health.

It is time to stop poisoning our children and our planet with mercury.
The era of mercury poisoning must come to an end. NOW. And those
responsible for this chemical attack against our people must be made
to compensate for the harm they have unleashed and serve time for
their crimes against the People.

The revolution will be announced via
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In the months ahead, we'll announce key action items via e-mail. Join
us in protesting against the ADA and FDA about the toxicity of mercury
fillings, and be prepared to hammer your Senators and other lawmakers
in Washington to urge them to support an outright ban on mercury in
dental care.

This poison must be stopped! And it is up to you to help us achieve
this important goal for the future of the human race. Literally, it is
that important. We are talking about the future of human life on this
planet. If we hope to live, if we hope to have seafood, or ocean
ecosystems, or fully-functioning brains and healthy babies, we must
stop mercury now.

Join the revolution. Stay tuned to NaturalNews. Watch your e-mail for
important announcements from us.

And be sure to visit <http://www.ToxicTeeth.org>www.ToxicTeeth.org and
join their e-mail list, too. Stay informed. Empower yourself. Demand
real change. And when the day comes, I ask for your support in urging
the arrest and prosecution of the
<http://www.naturalnews.com/criminals.html>criminals at the ADA the
FDA who have orchestrated this mass poisoning of the American people.
It is time to arrest, prosecute and imprison these criminals who are,
in every sense, an imminent threat to the health and safety of the
American people.

I do not believe in using violence to resolve problems, and I do not
believe that these people should be dragged out of their offices and
hanged in a public forum, as some other writers have suggested, but I
do believe that we must strip them of their power and influence, and
we must hold a public court session so that all the world can see the
degree of evil that has been operating inside the ADA and FDA for so
many years. We must bring this issue into the light, and let the truth
be told about this hundred-year lie so that future generations can
learn what happens when you allow corporate profits to dictate health
regulatory decisions in any society.
Happy Oyster - 26 Jul 2009 22:57 GMT
>News from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:

Heck, I already in 1995 write about dental amalgams:

  http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_av1.htm

Read it... if you dare...

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KevysMom - 27 Jul 2009 00:33 GMT
> Heck, I already in 1995 write about dental amalgams:
>
>    http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_av1.htm
>
> Read it... if you dare...

what happens when a child goes to the dentist, and he swallows some
mercury from his new amalgam?
Mark Probert - 27 Jul 2009 00:37 GMT
> > Heck, I already in 1995 write about dental amalgams:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> what happens when a child goes to the dentist, and he swallows some
> mercury from his new amalgam?

It goes out in his poop./
KevysMom - 27 Jul 2009 00:43 GMT
> > what happens when a child goes to the dentist, and he swallows some
> > mercury from his new amalgam?
>
> It goes out in his poop./

But, can it also get into his blood stream?

Mark, someone was using your name the other day on ABC poltical board.

http://forums.abcnews.go.com/n/forumIndex.aspx?webtag=abcnewsindex

I noticed today that all of  his messages were deleted, It wasnt you,
was it?
Mark Probert - 27 Jul 2009 00:47 GMT
> > > what happens when a child goes to the dentist, and he swallows some
> > > mercury from his new amalgam?
>
> > It goes out in his poop./
>
> But, can it also get into his blood stream?

HOW? It is a solid, not affected by digestion.

> Mark, someone was using your name the other day on ABC poltical board.
>
> http://forums.abcnews.go.com/n/forumIndex.aspx?webtag=abcnewsindex
>
> I noticed today that all of  his messages were deleted, It wasnt you,
> was it?

Not to my knowledge. If s/h/it used my real name to "out" me, it is a
violation of the ABC policy,and they do enforce their rules.
KevysMom - 27 Jul 2009 00:54 GMT
> > Mark, someone was using your name the other day on ABC poltical board.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Not to my knowledge. If s/h/it used my real name to "out" me, it is a
> violation of the ABC policy,and they do enforce their rules.

They were using Marc Probart   I found it highly suspicious as many on
the political google groups post on the ABC message board.

I didn't think it was you, No doubt it was some scummy jerk with no
life.
Mark Probert - 27 Jul 2009 02:23 GMT
> > > Mark, someone was using your name the other day on ABC poltical board.
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I didn't think it was you, No doubt it was some scummy jerk with no
> life.

Nope, not me. But, since you mentioned it in this newsgroup, I will be
perpetually accused of being him.

Thanks.
rpautrey2 - 27 Jul 2009 01:13 GMT
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> > > > what happens when a child goes to the dentist, and he swallows some
> > > > mercury from his new amalgam?
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Not to my knowledge. If s/h/it used my real name to "out" me, it is a
> violation of the ABC policy,and they do enforce their rules.
Happy Oyster - 27 Jul 2009 07:56 GMT
>Oligodynamic Effect!
>
>Metal Ions!
>
>Metallic Antibiotic!

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Jan Drew - 27 Jul 2009 02:39 GMT
> > > > what happens when a child goes to the dentist, and he swallows some
> > > > mercury from his new amalgam?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> HOW? It is a solid, not affected by digestion.

Results 1 - 10 of about 30,700 for Mercury from amalgams swallowed
gets in the blood stream. (0.40 seconds)

> > Mark, someone was using your name the other day on ABC poltical board.
>
> >http://forums.abcnews.go.com/n/forumIndex.aspx?webtag=abcnewsindex

http://discovermagazine.com/2005/mar/our-preferred-poison

> > I noticed today that all of �his messages were deleted, It wasnt you,
> > was it?
>
> Not to my knowledge. If s/h/it used my real name to "out" me, it is a
> violation of the ABC policy,and they do enforce their rules.
Happy Oyster - 27 Jul 2009 08:30 GMT
>> > > > what happens when a child goes to the dentist, and he swallows some
>> > > > mercury from his new amalgam?
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Results 1 - 10 of about 30,700 for Mercury from amalgams swallowed
>gets in the blood stream. (0.40 seconds)

Jan Drew is so damned stupid, she can't even count to 2.

And THIS Jan Drew makes medical claims... ;O)

Look here what she wrote:

>> Well, Jan Drew, a person who is too stupid to count to 2, talks about lies...?
>
>That another lie and insult.  The fact is Mark Probert posted his age
>as 11/26.

Please, note this sentence:

>I have proven he used 1946 in his email address.
*************************************************

>2009-1946 = 63.  On oivember 26 of this year he will be 64.

Several times already I posted a timeline of events. I do it again now,
including the basic develoments first:

>"Mark Probert" <mark.probert@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:e5d4c9a4-edb6-429e-a95f-9b7fef936df5@y17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>Thanks for proving you are a liar again.
>And, I am correct.  You and you alone posted your birthday.

To make things a bit easier to see, this is a table of events.

A person born on 26.11. 1946 is on

26.11.1946  born
26.11.1947   1 year  old
26.11.1948   2 years old
26.11.1949   3 years old
26.11.1950   4 years old
26.11.1951   5 years old
26.11.1952   6 years old
26.11.1953   7 years old
26.11.1954   8 years old
26.11.1955   9 years old
26.11.1956  10 years old
26.11.1957  11 years old
26.11.1958  12 years old
26.11.1959  13 years old
26.11.1960  14 years old
26.11.1961  15 years old
26.11.1962  16 years old
26.11.1963  17 years old
26.11.1964  18 years old
26.11.1965  19 years old
26.11.1966  20 years old
26.11.1967  21 years old
26.11.1968  22 years old
26.11.1969  23 years old
26.11.1970  24 years old
26.11.1971  25 years old
26.11.1972  26 years old
26.11.1973  27 years old
26.11.1974  28 years old
26.11.1975  29 years old
26.11.1976  30 years old
26.11.1977  31 years old
26.11.1978  32 years old
26.11.1979  33 years old
26.11.1980  34 years old
26.11.1981  35 years old
26.11.1982  36 years old
26.11.1983  37 years old
26.11.1984  38 years old
26.11.1985  39 years old
26.11.1986  40 years old
26.11.1987  41 years old
26.11.1988  42 years old
26.11.1989  43 years old
26.11.1990  44 years old
26.11.1991  45 years old
26.11.1992  46 years old
26.11.1993  47 years old
26.11.1994  48 years old
26.11.1995  49 years old
26.11.1996  50 years old
26.11.1997  51 years old
26.11.1998  52 years old
26.11.1999  53 years old
26.11.2000  54 years old
26.11.2001  55 years old
26.11.2002  56 years old
26.11.2003  57 years old
26.11.2004  58 years old
26.11.2005  59 years old
26.11.2006  60 years old
26.11.2007  61 years old
26.11.2008  62 years old
26.11.2009  63 years old
************************
26.11.2010  64 years old

On the 26.11. 2009 that person WILL BECOME 63 years old!
********************************************************

But, see bavoe, Jan Drew still insists:

>2009-1946 = 63.  On oivember 26 of this year he will be 64.

Now, a person born on 26.11. 1946 is on the very day "26.11.1946" BORN.

1 year later it will be 1 year old:

26.11.1947   1 year  old

According to my timeline at 26.11.2009 it will be 63 years old.

But Jan Drew insists on

"On oivember 26 of this year he will be 64."

Will Jan Drew be able to point where in my timeline there is an error?

Will Jan Drew be able to explain it?

Despite I confronted her so many times now with her outright lies, she still is
not able to prove anything. Instead, she goes on with lying, insulting,
defaming, and making false medical claims.

Would you believe somebody who is that stupid and that rotten?

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rpautrey2 - 27 Jul 2009 08:41 GMT
> >> > > > what happens when a child goes to the dentist, and he swallows some
> >> > > > mercury from his new amalgam?
[quoted text clipped - 162 lines]
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Whore(HO),

Are you admitting you're 'The Disbarred Comic'?
Happy Oyster - 27 Jul 2009 09:21 GMT
>> >> > > > what happens when a child goes to the dentist, and he swallows some
>> >> > > > mercury from his new amalgam?
[quoted text clipped - 166 lines]
>
>Are you admitting you're 'The Disbarred Comic'?

Advertising for the quackery of Hulda Clark is a crime.

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GeekBoy - 27 Jul 2009 15:49 GMT
>>> what happens when a child goes to the dentist, and he swallows some
>>> mercury from his new amalgam?
>> It goes out in his poop./
>
> But, can it also get into his blood stream?

Yes, but long ago it was thought mercury would permanently damage the
body. Mercury poisoning is where the term "Mad Hatter" came from.
It was used in making those tall top hats.

Much later it was discovered this heavy metal could be removed from the
body and most effects of those poison are reversed.

> Mark, someone was using your name the other day on ABC poltical board.
>
> http://forums.abcnews.go.com/n/forumIndex.aspx?webtag=abcnewsindex
>
> I noticed today that all of  his messages were deleted, It wasnt you,
> was it?
KevysMom - 27 Jul 2009 16:08 GMT
> > But, can it also get into his blood stream?
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Much later it was discovered this heavy metal could be removed from the
> body and most effects of those poison are reversed.

What about for congenial mercury poisoning, do you feel that the
developing brain of a fetus could be permanently damaged by mercury
poisoning?
Mercury Poisoning - 27 Jul 2009 16:25 GMT
> congenial mercury poisoning,

Hi everybody! Hope you're all feeling swell today! Beautiful day, isn't it!
KevysMom - 27 Jul 2009 16:43 GMT
O
> > congenial mercury poisoning,
>
> Hi everybody! Hope you're all feeling swell today! Beautiful day, isn't it!

congenital, ooops.
¦ Reality Check© ¦ - 28 Jul 2009 03:27 GMT
> O
>> > congenial mercury poisoning,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> congenital, ooops.

Now exactly how are you going to pass mercury poisoning via your genitals?
KevysMom - 28 Jul 2009 17:33 GMT
> Now exactly how are you going to pass mercury poisoning via your genitals?

Go relieve yourself, you obviously are loaded with mercury.
¦ Reality Check© ¦ - 28 Jul 2009 18:02 GMT
>> Now exactly how are you going to pass mercury poisoning via your
>> genitals?
>
> Go relieve yourself, you obviously are loaded with mercury.

Stay ignorant ... and hysterical ... it suits you well.
KevysMom - 28 Jul 2009 18:04 GMT
> >> Now exactly how are you going to pass mercury poisoning via your
> >> genitals?
>
> > Go relieve yourself, you obviously are loaded with mercury.
>
> Stay ignorant ... and hysterical ... it suits you well.

Ignorance is bliss, maybe that's why I'm hysterical upset over this?
¦ Reality Check© ¦ - 28 Jul 2009 18:12 GMT
>> >> Now exactly how are you going to pass mercury poisoning via your
>> >> genitals?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Ignorance is bliss, maybe that's why I'm hysterical upset over this?

Bray to Jaaayzus for guidance ...
KevysMom - 28 Jul 2009 18:40 GMT
> Bray to Jaaayzus for guidance ...

eat schit.
¦ Reality Check© ¦ - 31 Jul 2009 05:47 GMT
>> Bray to Jaaayzus for guidance ...
>
> eat schit.

Isaiah 36:12
Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath
he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their
own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

Chow down, baable thumper.
Deadrat - 27 Jul 2009 17:26 GMT
> ..
>
>> congenial mercury poisoning,
>
> Hi everybody! Hope you're all feeling swell today! Beautiful day,
> isn't it!

Mad as a hatter.
Happy Oyster - 27 Jul 2009 22:02 GMT
>> congenial mercury poisoning,
>
>Hi everybody! Hope you're all feeling swell today! Beautiful day, isn't it!

Whossat?

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GeekBoy - 28 Jul 2009 16:16 GMT
>>> But, can it also get into his blood stream?
>> Yes, but long ago it was thought mercury would permanently damage the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> developing brain of a fetus could be permanently damaged by mercury
> poisoning?

Yes
Happy Oyster - 27 Jul 2009 22:46 GMT
>Much later it was discovered this heavy metal could be removed from the
>body and most effects of those poison are reversed.

This I doubt.

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GeekBoy - 28 Jul 2009 16:17 GMT
>> Much later it was discovered this heavy metal could be removed from the
>> body and most effects of those poison are reversed.
>
> This I doubt.

Doubt all you.
Happy Oyster - 28 Jul 2009 16:19 GMT
>>> Much later it was discovered this heavy metal could be removed from the
>>> body and most effects of those poison are reversed.
>>
>> This I doubt.
>>
>Doubt all you.

You mean?

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GeekBoy - 29 Jul 2009 17:51 GMT
>>>> Much later it was discovered this heavy metal could be removed from the
>>>> body and most effects of those poison are reversed.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> You mean?

Got distracted:

Doubt all you want.
Jan Drew - 27 Jul 2009 02:20 GMT
> > > Heck, I already in 1995 write about dental amalgams:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> It goes out in his poop./

Prove it.  Not by some *organized medicine and dentistry lies.

The HG goes straight to the Brain.
And thet cause *Mercury Poisoning*.
Peter B. - 27 Jul 2009 07:23 GMT
On Jul 26, 7:37�pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 26, 7:33�pm, KevysMom <kevys...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> It goes out in his poop./

Prove it.  Not by some *organized medicine and dentistry lies.

The HG goes straight to the Brain.
And thet cause *Mercury Poisoning*.
========================================
In your case I would agree being as you sit on your brain. So both are
correct in this instance.
Happy Oyster - 27 Jul 2009 08:24 GMT
>> > > Heck, I already in 1995 write about dental amalgams:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>The HG goes straight to the Brain.

That might be true for those where the brain is the end of the digestive tract.

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Mark Probert - 27 Jul 2009 14:16 GMT
> > > > Heck, I already in 1995 write about dental amalgams:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Prove it.  Not by some *organized medicine and dentistry lies.

That is the only place to find real proof. Everything else is either
wacko conspiracy theory, sales pitches, or some nincomPOOP, like
Mercola, or Un-naturalNews, bull crap.

> The HG goes straight to the Brain.
> And thet cause *Mercury Poisoning*.
¦ Reality Check© ¦ - 28 Jul 2009 03:30 GMT
> Prove it.  Not by some *organized medicine and dentistry lies.
>
> The HG goes straight to the Brain.
> And thet cause *Mercury Poisoning*.

You must be suffering from Sodium poisoning from
ingesting salt.

Idiot.
Happy Oyster - 27 Jul 2009 07:27 GMT
>> Heck, I already in 1995 write about dental amalgams:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>what happens when a child goes to the dentist, and he swallows some
>mercury from his new amalgam?

The important part is: WHAT is swallowed?

The hard metal (compound is not the right word as it is no compound - and
neither a mixture) is not very dangerous: it passes through the digestive tract
- and out it is.

The vapor is harmfull - it is inhaled and the uptake through the lungs leads to
the mercury be part of compounds which are stored in the body.

So, the real danger is not the phase of a new dental amalgam filling be made,
but the time of taking out old ones, the more the hotter the driller is. Turbine
driller imposes the greatest threat.

Sucking off the air is important - and I think that is the only usefull way.
There are more possibilities to use, like rubber dam or gold filters. All these
things shield of a bit, but the real danger, so I think, is the cloud of vapor.

WHAT happens and how strong the poisonous effects are depends on each person's
constitution and upon the immediate situation. It cannot be generalized.

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¦ Reality Check© ¦ - 27 Jul 2009 22:31 GMT
> Heck, I already in 1995 write about dental amalgams:
>
> http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_av1.htm
>
> Read it... if you dare...

what happens when a child goes to the dentist, and he swallows some
mercury from his new amalgam?
=================================

Nothing. The mercury isn't elemental, it's bound chemically to other
elements.
Happy Oyster - 27 Jul 2009 22:57 GMT
>> Heck, I already in 1995 write about dental amalgams:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Nothing. The mercury isn't elemental, it's bound chemically to other
>elements.

No, that is wrong.

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¦ Reality Check© ¦ - 28 Jul 2009 03:25 GMT
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:31:23 -0600, "¦ Reality Check© ¦"
> <reality@check.it>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> No, that is wrong.

Prove it, nutter.

Prove that unbound elemental Hg is anywhere in "AMALGAM" fillings.

Prove that the chemically bound Hg that is in AMALGAM fillings
can be broken down to elemental Hg by any bodily process.

No go f.ck yourself.
Deadrat - 28 Jul 2009 04:23 GMT
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:31:23 -0600, "¦ Reality Check© ¦"
>> <reality@check.it>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Prove that unbound elemental Hg is anywhere in "AMALGAM" fillings.

Amalgam is an alloy of mercury.  Dental amalgam is Hg/Ag/Sn.  An alloy is
a solid solution, with a crystalline structure determined by the metallic
ion bonds of its components.

> Prove that the chemically bound Hg that is in AMALGAM fillings
> can be broken down to elemental Hg by any bodily process.

Whether Hg is "chemically bound" in amalgam is a matter of semantics.  An
amalgam is not a compound like demethylmercury.  The release of elemental
Hg through the digestive system, say by swallowing a piece of a broken
filling, isn't a problem as such Hg has no pathway into the body.  An
amalgam is in a state of equilibrium between its solid and gaseous
states, with a very low concentration of Hg vapor from the latter.  
Inhaled Hg is distributed throughout the body, and the controversy is
whether the continuous exposure to this intraoral vapor leads to disease.

Organic compounds of mercury are seriously toxic sh.t, but they don't
enter into the amalgam issue.

> No go f.ck yourself.
¦ Reality Check© ¦ - 28 Jul 2009 08:32 GMT
> "¦ Reality Check© ¦" <reality@check.it> wrote in
>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:31:23 -0600, "¦ Reality Check© ¦"
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>
>> No go f.ck yourself.

You forgot the final directive.
Happy Oyster - 28 Jul 2009 06:09 GMT
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:31:23 -0600, "¦ Reality Check© ¦"
>> <reality@check.it>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
>No go f.ck yourself.

Oh, who stupid can a person be... ;O)

Mercury is a metal and in the body the body chemistry corrodes it. Even gold
corrodes in the human body.

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¦ Reality Check© ¦ - 28 Jul 2009 08:37 GMT
"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster@ariplex.com> wrote in message
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:25:32 -0600, "¦ Reality Check© ¦"
> <reality@check.it>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Oh, who stupid can a person be... ;O)

Who tell us ...

> Mercury is a metal and in the body the body chemistry corrodes it. Even
> gold
> corrodes in the human body.

So write out the chemical equation involving mercury amalgam and "corrosion"
caused
by body chemistry, numbnuts. Go ahead, show us the reaction sequence.

<cue crickets chirping>
Happy Oyster - 28 Jul 2009 11:09 GMT
>> Mercury is a metal and in the body the body chemistry corrodes it. Even
>> gold corrodes in the human body.
>
>So write out the chemical equation involving mercury amalgam and "corrosion"
>caused by body chemistry, numbnuts.

Why should I?

Go ahead and read the base science books on use and chemistry of metals in
medicine.

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_av1.htm

<quote>
Norbert Reuling:
"Biokompatibilität dentaler Legierungen, Toxikologische, histopathologische und
analytische Aspekte"
Carl-Hanser-Verlag, 1990
ISBN = 3-446-16422-7

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Götz K. Siebert:
"Dentallegierungen in der zahnärztlichen Prothetik, Technologie, Klinik,
Biokompatibilität"
Carl-Hanser-Verlag, 1989, ISBN = 3-3446-15329-2
</quote>

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¦ Reality Check© ¦ - 28 Jul 2009 18:05 GMT
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:37:00 -0600, "¦ Reality Check© ¦"
> <reality@check.it>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Why should I?

Translation: you got nothing.
David Bostwick - 28 Jul 2009 18:45 GMT
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:37:00 -0600, "¦ Reality Check© ¦"
>> <reality@check.it>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Translation: you got nothing.

But even that's more than you have.
Happy Oyster - 28 Jul 2009 21:57 GMT
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:37:00 -0600, "¦ Reality Check© ¦"
>> <reality@check.it>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Translation: you got nothing.

You should not lie.

Go ahead and read the base science books on use and chemistry of metals in
medicine.

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_av1.htm

<quote>
Norbert Reuling:
"Biokompatibilität dentaler Legierungen, Toxikologische, histopathologische und
analytische Aspekte"
Carl-Hanser-Verlag, 1990
ISBN = 3-446-16422-7

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Götz K. Siebert:
"Dentallegierungen in der zahnärztlichen Prothetik, Technologie, Klinik,
Biokompatibilität"
Carl-Hanser-Verlag, 1989, ISBN = 3-3446-15329-2
</quote>

These titles I gave in my last posting.

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Martin Brown - 28 Jul 2009 22:28 GMT
>>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:37:00 -0600, "¦ Reality Check© ¦"
>>> <reality@check.it>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Go ahead and read the base science books on use and chemistry of metals in
> medicine.

Surprisingly there have been a few deranged nutters that have injected
themselves with elemental mercury. It did them less damage than you
might expect but made for interesting Xray images of their circulatory
system and some heavy metal poisoning symptoms. The pictures used to be
online but I cannot find them. Injecting air would have killed them.

Romans used to drink elemental mercury as an emetic. But then they
sweetened wine with sugar of lead too.

The worried well can buy mercury urine analysis services down to about
1ppb from the likes of:

http://www.mercurysafety.co.uk/products/umonitor.htm

But by comparison to proper state of the art ultratrace mercury analysis
they are not very impressive. We can measure mercury in just about
anything these days with the most sensitive gear going down to claimed
detecion limits of 0.05ppt or so for EPA method 1631. eg

http://www.cetac.com/mercury_analyzers/m8000.asp

If you eat a lot of fish then there is a good chance that you will
consume more mercury than leaches out from your filling.

Regards,
Martin Brown
Happy Oyster - 28 Jul 2009 23:39 GMT
>>>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:37:00 -0600, "¦ Reality Check© ¦"
>>>> <reality@check.it>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>Surprisingly there have been a few deranged nutters that have injected
>themselves with elemental mercury.

Hi, Martin,

I only knew of some who swallowed it.

>It did them less damage than you
>might expect but made for interesting Xray images of their circulatory
>system and some heavy metal poisoning symptoms. The pictures used to be
>online but I cannot find them. Injecting air would have killed them.

Injecting it into the bloodstream or tissue causes a longer stay in the body. If
it were in the digestive tract, it would get out faster.

>Romans used to drink elemental mercury as an emetic. But then they
>sweetened wine with sugar of lead too.

Horrible things happened that time. The poor were lucky NOT to be able to buy
the lead kitchen stuff.

>The worried well can buy mercury urine analysis services down to about
>1ppb from the likes of:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>http://www.cetac.com/mercury_analyzers/m8000.asp

The problem is that in the urine only very few mercury shows up. The reason is
that the mercury is in tissue. To get it out of tissue is risky. One can do it
with chelating agents. The problem is that these chemicals also react with other
metals (which are needed in the body) and that there is no direct relation
between the mercury load in the tissue and the tissue setting this mercury free
with chelation. Sometimes you get a hifh response, some times you get a low.
This makes the test with, say DMPS, so insecure.

>If you eat a lot of fish then there is a good chance that you will
>consume more mercury than leaches out from your filling.
>
>Regards,
>Martin Brown

Concerning the fish: the situation is serious. Already in 2001 we had a press
release about NOT to eat fish because of mercury:

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amabg002.htm
<quote>
Presseerklärungen des Bundesinstituts für gesundheitlichen Verbraucherschutz
und Veterinärmedizin
24.12.2001
Adresse:
Bundesinstitut für gesundheitlichen
Verbraucherschutz und Veterinärmedizin
Pressestelle
Thielallee 88-92
14195 Berlin
Fax: +49-1888-412-4970
E-Mail: pressestelle@bgvv.de
Die Originale dieser Web-Seiten werden im WWW gespeichert auf der Web-Site des
BGVV: http://www.bgvv.de 
24.12.2001, Aribert Deckers
Pressemitteilung 07/99
Web-Page: http://www.bgvv.de/presse/1999/pr_99_07.htm 
Den Verzehr bestimmter Fischarten wegen Quecksilberbelastung einschränken
07/99
6. Mai 1999
BgVV empfiehlt während der Schwangerschaft und Stillzeit den Verzehr bestimmter
Fischarten einzuschränken

Fisch enthält wichtige Nährstoffe und sollte deshalb fester Bestandteil unserer
Ernährung sein. Infolge der natürlichen, aber vor allem auch der vom Menschen
verursachten Verunreinigung von Binnengewässern und Meeren sind Fische jedoch
auch mehr oder weniger mit Quecksilber belastet. Um den Verbraucher vor
Gesundheitsschäden zu schützen, unterliegen Fisch und Fischprodukte, die in der
Bundesrepublik Deutschland in den Verkehr gebracht werden, den Bestimmungen der
Schadstoff-Höchstmengenverordnung. In ihr ist festgelegt, welche Höchstmengen an
Quecksilber und Quecksilberverbindungen insgesamt (berechnet als Quecksilber) in
den dort aufgeführten Fischen nicht überschritten werden dürfen. Bei Einhaltung
der Höchstmengen besteht nach heutiger Kenntnis für die Allgemeinbevölkerung
keine gesundheitliche Gefährdung. Allerdings weist das BgVV darauf hin, daß
Schwangere bei regelmäßigem Verzehr größerer Mengen bestimmter Fische als
besondere Risikogruppe betrachtet werden müssen. Denn ein Teil des Quecksilbers
(Hg) in Fischen liegt als das toxischere Methylquecksilber (MeHg) vor, das die
Plazenta leicht passieren und somit direkt in den Organismus des heranwachsenden
Kindes gelangen kann. Wegen der besonderen Empfindlichkeit des heranwachsenden
Organismus besteht die Sorge, daß dort Entwicklungsschäden ausgelöst werden
könnten.

Es sind jedoch nicht alle Fischarten von erhöhten Quecksilber- und
Methylquecksilbergehalten betroffen. Je nach Alter, Lebensraum sowie Lebensweise
können sie das giftige Schwermetall in sehr unterschiedlichen Mengen anreichern.

Große und alte Fische, insbesondere räuberisch lebende, sind in der Regel höher
mit Quecksilber belastet. Die Schadstoff-Höchstmengenverordnung unterscheidet
deshalb auch Fische, für die eine Höchstmenge von 0,5 mg/kg gilt, und bestimmte,
namentlich genannte Fische mit einer Höchstmenge von 1,0 mg/kg. Zu den weniger
belasteten Fischarten gehören zum Beispiel so gängige Konsumfische wie Seelachs.

Das BgVV empfiehlt angesichts der Datenlage in Deutschland schwangeren und
stillenden Frauen, während dieser Zeit vorsorglich den Verzehr der Fische
einzuschränken, die in der Schadstoff-Höchstmengenverordnung mit der Höchstmenge
von 1,0 mg Hg/kg genannt sind (Tab.1). Das gilt auch für daraus hergestellte
Erzeugnisse. Vorsicht ist auch bei allen selbst gefangenen Fischen aus Gewässern
geboten, deren Verschmutzungsgrad unbekannt ist.

Die reale Belastung mit Methylquecksilber läßt sich durch eine Haaranalyse
relativ gut bestimmen. Im Zweifel sollten sich betroffene Frauen an einen Arzt
ihres Vertrauens wenden. Die WHO betrachtet eine Belastung von 10-20 µg je Gramm
Haar als unproblematisch.

Weitere Informationen im BgVV-Bericht
http://www.bgvv.de/lebensmittel/lebensmittelsicherheit/stoffl_risiken/rueckstaen
de/files/quecksilber_fisch.pdf

"Quecksilberbelastung schwangerer Frauen durch See-Fisch"
(Februar 1999, PDF 29 KB)
Tabelle 1:
Fische mit einer Höchstmenge von 1,0 mg Hg/kg, deren Verzehr während der
Schwangerschaft und Stillzeit eingeschränkt
werden sollte
Echter Aal                      (Anguilla spp.)  
Barsch                          (Dicentrarchus labrax)
Blauleng                        (Molva dipterygia)  
Bonito                          (Sarda spp.)
Falscher Bonito                 (euthynnus spp.)
Centroscymnes coelolepis  
Einfarb-Pelamide                (Orcynopsis unicolor)
Haarschwänze                    (Lepidopus caudatus, Aphanopus carbo)  
Haifische                       (alle Arten)
Hecht                           (Esox lucius)  
Heilbutt                        (Hippoglossus hippoglossus)  
Pazifischer Fächerfisch         (Istiophorus platypterus)
Rochen                          (Raja spp.)  
Rotbarsch                       (Sebastes marinus, S. mentella)  
Schwertfisch                    (Xiphias gladius)
Seeteufel                       (Lophius spp.)  
Langschwänziger Speerfisch      (Makaira spp.)
Gemeiner Stör                   (Acipenser spp.)  
Steinbeißer                     (Anarhichas lupus)  
Thunfisch                       (Thunnus spp.)  
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It is claimed that the mercury load in the fish seems to have a different
reaction with the body than has the mercury which is inhaled.

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Mercury - 29 Jul 2009 00:04 GMT
> >Surprisingly there have been a few deranged nutters that have injected
> >themselves with elemental mercury.

what fools would inject themselves with mercury or thiomerosal for
that MATTER??

> Injecting it into the bloodstream or tissue causes a longer stay in the body. If
> it were in the digestive tract, it would get out faster.

> >Romans used to drink elemental mercury as an emetic. But then they
> >sweetened wine with sugar of lead too.
>
> Horrible things happened that time. The poor were lucky NOT to be able to buy
> the lead kitchen stuff.

What happened to Rome?

> The problem is that in the urine only very few mercury shows up. The reason is
> that the mercury is in tissue.

Including brain tissue.

To get it out of tissue is risky. One can do it
> with chelating agents.

There is no safe way to remove mercury from the brain. Chelation helps
remove mercury from the blood and organs such as the heart, liver and
kidneys.

The problem is that these chemicals also react with other
> metals (which are needed in the body) and that there is no direct relation
> between the mercury load in the tissue and the tissue setting this mercury free
> with chelation. Sometimes you get a hifh response, some times you get a low.
> This makes the test with, say DMPS, so insecure.

Thats what happened to the child with autism that died, He was given
DMPS or EDTA that pulled out calcium from his body killing him.

> Concerning the fish: the situation is serious. Already in 2001 we had a press
> release about NOT to eat fish because of mercury:

Adults have a blood brain barrier that protects your brain from
toxins, But every once in a while you could have an opening in your
blood brain barrier allowing for toxins that are already in your blood
to pass into your brain. This is why most warnings are for pregnant
women and babies. A fetus does not have a blood brain barrier, a baby
doesnt have a full blood brain barrier until that baby is about six
months old.

Certain medications, fever other things can open an adults blood brain
barrier, Thats when you land up with diseases caused from
environmental toxins.

Our bodies are also made to naturally chelate heavy metals and other
toxins, But if exposure is too much, it can over-whelm a weak area on
the genes that are needed to excrete heavy metals.
Happy Oyster - 29 Jul 2009 00:13 GMT
>> Horrible things happened that time. The poor were lucky NOT to be able to buy
>> the lead kitchen stuff.
>
>What happened to Rome?

Not "to Rome". To the rich who ate from plate made of lead. They got lead
poisoning.

>> The problem is that in the urine only very few mercury shows up. The reason is
>> that the mercury is in tissue.
>
>Including brain tissue.

Yes.

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Mark Probert - 29 Jul 2009 04:04 GMT
> > >Surprisingly there have been a few deranged nutters that have injected
> > >themselves with elemental mercury.
>
> what fools would inject themselves with mercury or thiomerosal for
> that MATTER??

Thimerosal, in the amounts used in vaccines is safe and effective.
There is no reason why it should not be used in vaccines.

> > Injecting it into the bloodstream or tissue causes a longer stay in the body. If
> > it were in the digestive tract, it would get out faster.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> What happened to Rome?

It is still where it has been for over twenty-two centuries. If you
are referring to the fall of Rme, mercury had nothing to do with it.

> > The problem is that in the urine only very few mercury shows up. The reason is
> > that the mercury is in tissue.
>
> Including brain tissue.

In minute quantities.

>  To get it out of tissue is risky. One can do it
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> remove mercury from the blood and organs such as the heart, liver and
> kidneys.

One of the biggest scams going. Helped by DoctorsData, which was
raided by the FBI and IRS.

>  The problem is that these chemicals also react with other
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thats what happened to the child with autism that died, He was given
> DMPS or EDTA that pulled out calcium from his body killing him.

He was given the chemcial that was recommended by several groups. They
gave it it him in a bolus, and did not monitor him. Pure quackery. A
useless treatment with maximum risk.

> > Concerning the fish: the situation is serious. Already in 2001 we had a press
> > release about NOT to eat fish because of mercury:
>
> Adults have a blood brain barrier that protects your brain from
> toxins,

Facts are toxic to some adults.

But every once in a while you could have an opening in your
> blood brain barrier allowing for toxins that are already in your blood
> to pass into your brain.

Hogwash.

This is why most warnings are for pregnant
> women and babies. A fetus does not have a blood brain barrier, a baby
> doesnt have a full blood brain barrier until that baby is about six
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> barrier, Thats when you land up with diseases caused from
> environmental toxins.

Like what diseases? Name a few.

> Our bodies are also made to naturally chelate heavy metals and other
> toxins, But if exposure is too much, it can over-whelm a weak area on
> the genes that are needed to excrete heavy metals.

what utter hogwash.
Martin Brown - 29 Jul 2009 09:02 GMT
>>>>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:37:00 -0600, "¦ Reality Check© ¦"
>>>>> <reality@check.it>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> Injecting it into the bloodstream or tissue causes a longer stay in the body. If
> it were in the digestive tract, it would get out faster.

They had to get it out by chelation therapy. But during the diagnosis
they did a chest X-ray and it howed up the details of capilliaries in
the lungs wonderfully. The images are no longer online AFAICT.

A journal reference is but it is pay per view expensive.

>> Romans used to drink elemental mercury as an emetic. But then they
>> sweetened wine with sugar of lead too.
>
> Horrible things happened that time. The poor were lucky NOT to be able to buy
> the lead kitchen stuff.

Remember lead glazes were used on pottery too. You could not get away
from lead in the ancient world. And clean water from plumbing saved many
more lives than lead poisoning ever killed.

>> The worried well can buy mercury urine analysis services down to about
>> 1ppb from the likes of:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> with chelation. Sometimes you get a hifh response, some times you get a low.
> This makes the test with, say DMPS, so insecure.

This is the sort of toxicology scare story intended to sucker the
worried well into expensive pointless treatments that will do more harm
than good. Organo-mercury compounds are much more deadly than inorganic
ones and liquid metallic mercury itself is relatively benign - the
vapour is dangerous though. A researcher on the ICPMS list was extremely
unlucky to have an accident with methyl mercury and died a horrible death.

I remember getting our physics teacher to run a Maxwell's spur demo
using open mercury arcing and sparking on the open bench. It would not
be allowed now. Another place in a university observatory where a
transit instrument had been was found to have kilogram quantities of
mercury under the floor for centuries. Noone had suffered as a result
the vapour pressure was low. The stuff was unmoved and quickly formed an
oxide and dust coating. That was until they started the cleanup it took
a long while for the mercury levels to return to normal afterwards. It
is notoriously stucky to analytical instruments at ultratrace levels.

>> If you eat a lot of fish then there is a good chance that you will
>> consume more mercury than leaches out from your filling.
>
> Concerning the fish: the situation is serious. Already in 2001 we had a press
> release about NOT to eat fish because of mercury:

That is an overreaction. The dose makes the poison. Some oily fish is
good for you. But don't overdose on top predators like tuna and
swordfish. We evolved in an environment where all the elements are
present in trace levels. You can cope with a certain amount of anything
and the threshold levels these days are probably on the low side.

I suggest you read some of the more reputable literature rather than
relying on scare stories trying to sell people with dental amalgam
fillings very expensive new dental work and gratuitous therapies to
detox them from their mercury burden.

http://www.intox.org/databank/documents/chemical/mercury/ukpid27.htm

Unless you make a habit of sniffing the smoke from crematoria there is
comparatively little to worry about mercury in dental amalgam once it
has set. The people who mix it up in the dentist need checking for
occcupational exposure though.

> It is claimed that the mercury load in the fish seems to have a different
> reaction with the body than has the mercury which is inhaled.

That will be because in some circumstances the mercury in fish will be
present in parts as an organic compound - see Minimata disease.

http://www.unu.edu/unupress/unupbooks/uu35ie/uu35ie0c.htm

Regards,
Martin Brown
Happy Oyster - 29 Jul 2009 13:13 GMT
>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:37:00 -0600, "¦ Reality Check© ¦"
>>>>>> <reality@check.it>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
>A journal reference is but it is pay per view expensive.

Hi, Martin,

could you find out more, like the title, authors, etc?

>>> Romans used to drink elemental mercury as an emetic. But then they
>>> sweetened wine with sugar of lead too.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>from lead in the ancient world. And clean water from plumbing saved many
>more lives than lead poisoning ever killed.

In Germany we still have "Bleikristall" for drinking glasses. The lead contained
in the glass enhances some optical properties.

>>> The worried well can buy mercury urine analysis services down to about
>>> 1ppb from the likes of:
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>vapour is dangerous though. A researcher on the ICPMS list was extremely
>unlucky to have an accident with methyl mercury and died a horrible death.

Many physicists in the old days (18. century) experimented with mercury and many
of them for sure were poisoned by that.

>I remember getting our physics teacher to run a Maxwell's spur demo
>using open mercury arcing and sparking on the open bench. It would not
>be allowed now.

A lot of switches contain mercury as the wetting agent for contacts. There is a
large drop of mercury in glass bulbs with 2 electrodes, so to form a tilt
switch. But, so Joel Eichen wrote some years ago in sci.med.dentistry, the
wildfires in the forests are a REAL BIG THREAT and set free gigantic masses of
mercury. Another problem is that mercury concentrates in swamps in Florida. The
wildlife is at its limits...

>Another place in a university observatory where a
>transit instrument had been was found to have kilogram quantities of
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>good for you. But don't overdose on top predators like tuna and
>swordfish.

These fish (tuna ans swordfish) live in the open sea. But here in Germany, at
the Nordsee (North Sea) or Ostsee (East Sea) we have very low water depths and
many fish are flat and live in the mud, where the levels of contamination are
high. The contents of mercury and other pollutants vary depending on how these
fish live. In the table I give in the article you can see that.

A big problem with the advice on how much to eat is that that is advice is
insane. Instead of calculation the risk, the whole thing is toppled and the
overall mass of fish is summed up and divided by the population. This is
rediculous. In the north of Germany, at the rivers and at the coast, more fish
is eaten and ad some places fish is nearly a daily meal - or it was for hundres
of years. So here, where the fish - because of being "at hand" is eaten in large
quantities, the "average amount advised" is only a mouthful...

If people REALLY look at the amunt of mercury and other toxines in the food,
they would have to cut out MUCH, MUCH, MUCH of waht they eat today - and I do
not say that they feast, it is their normal way of living and it would NOT be
dangerous if situation in environment would be as it was 150 years ago.

Some years ago I saw a map which was made of the river Weser. That flows through
Bremen and passes Bremerhaven (where it ends in the North Sea). The bed of the
river was scanned for metals which had been brought to surface by mining at
places all along the river. Very impressive. Perhaps I can find that map again.

>We evolved in an environment where all the elements are
>present in trace levels. You can cope with a certain amount of anything
>and the threshold levels these days are probably on the low side.

Normally: yes. But mining and dumping trash changed that.

>I suggest you read some of the more reputable literature rather than
>relying on scare stories trying to sell people with dental amalgam
>fillings very expensive new dental work and gratuitous therapies to
>detox them from their mercury burden.

In 1995 I got into the dental amalgam topic and read some papers. The main
problem which I found: that on the pro side and on the contra side NO ONE really
argumented scientifically correct. And the naturopathic mafia made billions of
Dollars by fearmongering and selling junk like chlorealla algae. I wrote some
web-pages about that.

14.05.2001   [ Algen - Gefahr durch Toxine ]
            http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_alge.htm

14.05.2001   [ Der Betrug mit "chlorella pyrenoidosa" ]
            http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amachlor.htm

05.11.2002   [ Algen - eine kommentierte Link-Sammlung ]
            http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_afa1.htm

18.03.2003   [ Wie Algen wachsen * Eine besondere "Blüte" ]
            http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_alg2.htm

07.04.2003   [ Prozeß "Teachers for Truth in Advertising"       ]
            [ gegen "Cell Tech Products, Inc", Klamath, Oregon ]
            http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_afa2.htm

Especially this one

  http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_alg2.htm

is very impressive. just look at the fotographs of the algae cells - how
deformed they are in the tank cultures - and THAT is the stuff which is claimed
to be grown in clear natural creeks - and is sold at prices of 500 times as much
as good meat.

>http://www.intox.org/databank/documents/chemical/mercury/ukpid27.htm
>
>Unless you make a habit of sniffing the smoke from crematoria there is
>comparatively little to worry about mercury in dental amalgam once it
>has set.

Oh, yes, I forgot. That topic also arose. I do not know what became of it. It
just disappeared in the newpapers, despite it for sure still is a real big
problem. Also a big problem is the soil of the cemetries. That versy soild was
long used as being very good for plants in gardening - so it was sold. But who
knows how much mercury he gets by this into his own garden, his own fruits and
vegetables...?

That was in 2004:
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_kemi.htm

These web-pages seem to have gone:

<quote>
1.
http://www.kemi.se/lang/english/Media/1085487695.html
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2004-05-25

The Swedish Chemicals Inspectorate has
not proposed to have the teeth of
deceased persons extracted

During the last few days, misinterpreted
information has been published in the
mass media, alleging that the Swedish
Chemicals Inspectorate (KemI) is
proposing that it should be possible to
extract the teeth of deceased persons in
order to reduce the amount of mercury
emitting from the smoke of crematories.
This is an erroneous statement

KemI has been commissioned by the
Swedish government to investigate
whether it could be possible to ban the
use of mercury in Sweden. The
preliminary report discusses current
sources of mercury emissions that will
have an impact on the environment in the
future. Amalgam in the fillings of living
persons is mentioned, for example, but
this will still be a source of future
emissions, irrespective of any future ban
on mercury.

The preliminary report does not
contain any proposals for measures
with regard to amalgam other than for
new applications.

Contact:

Marianne Swahn, Director of Information
Phone: +468- 519 412 69
e-mail: marianne.swahn {at} kemi.se
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2.
http://www.kemi.se/lang/english/Media/1088518900.html
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2004-06-30

The Swedish Chemicals Inspectorate
(KemI) is proposing: Ban mercury in Sweden.

The Swedish Chemicals Inspectorate is
proposing that the present ban on
mercury in certain articles be extended
to a general ban. This means that
amalgam and chemicals used in
analyses, for instance, would be
included.

Mercury is one of the most hazardous
environmental toxins and poses a threat
to both the environment and human
health, says Ethel Forsberg,
Director-General of KemI. Sweden has
until now been successful in efforts to
phase out mercury. We have come as far
as possible on a national basis, should
the proposal be adopted.

On 30 June, KemI presented the report
Mercury - government commission report
on a general, national ban.

The proposal implies a ban on sale of
mercury or articles containing mercury on
the Swedish market, and on export of
mercury and articles containing mercury
out of Sweden. The Inspectorate is also
proposing a ban on export of waste
containing mercury.

This means that mercury and mercury
compounds must not be used. Articles
containing mercury already on the market
or in use today may continue to be used.
Time-limited exemptions are proposed for
certain applications to provide time for
development of and transition to
alternatives.

Amalgam

KemI is of the opinion that there are
strong reasons for banning amalgam on
the basis of environmental concern. There
are other tooth-filling materials that fulfil
the requirements set by the ordinary
dental service. In exceptional cases,
amalgam might have to be used in hospital
dental treatment of adult patients. KemI
and the National Board of Health and
Welfare are therefore proposing such an
exemption valid until 31 December 2008.

Chemicals used in analyses

Mercury compounds are used in different
types of analyses. Their use can be phased
out, provided that a transitional period is
given for developing and testing
alternative methods. KemI is therefore
proposing time-limited exemptions from
the ban covering, for instance, analyses
within the forest industry, the
pharmaceutical industry, to make medical
diagnoses and within R&D.

Chlor-alkali production

The chlor-alkali industry, manufacturing
chlorine and lye, uses large amounts of
mercury. KemI is proposing that the use is
to cease not later than 31 December 2009.
This is in line with EC directives and
international conventions.

It is very difficult to implement national
rules that go further than EC legislation in
the case of batteries, light sources and
vehicles, for instance, and these are thus
exempt from the ban.

When most of the exemptions have
expired within 3-5 years, KemI estimates
that a ban would reduce the addition of
new mercury in chemical products and
articles from approximately 340 kg a year
(2003) to about 190 kg a year. Amalgam
represents the largest reduction. Amalgam
is currently the largest individual source
of mercury content in the sludge of
sewage treatment plants.

The EC must be notified of any new
national regulations on mercury, and the
regulations must be accepted by the EC
before they may be implemented in
Sweden.

The report Kvicksilver - utredning om ett
generellt nationellt förbud (pdf 413 kB, in Swedish)
http://www.kemi.se/raw/documents/57015_kvicksilver.pdf

Summary of the report in English (pdf, 64 kB)
http://www.kemi.se/raw/documents/57009_040630Hg_summary.pdf

Contacts

Petra Ekblom
Mobile: +468-70-495 54 72
e-mail: petra.ekblom {at} kemi.se

Jerker Forssell
Mobile: +468-70-429 38 75
e-mail: jerker.forssell {at} kemi.se

Ethel Forsberg (available Thurs. 1 July
and Fri. 2 July)
Mobile: +468-70-429 38 82
e-mail: ethel.forsberg {at} kemi.se
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
</quote>

>The people who mix it up in the dentist need checking for
>occcupational exposure though.

About that ALSO there do not leak out news anymore... This silence for sure is
no good.

Here is a mirred page about working conditions:

06.02.2002   [ Arbeiten unter Einwirkung von Quecksilber  ]
            [ und seinen Verbindungen                    ]
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>> It is claimed that the mercury load in the fish seems to have a different
>> reaction with the body than has the mercury which is inhaled.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Regards,
>Martin Brown

I have THE book about Minamata. I tried to get in contact with the fotographer,
but he died...

Minamata
04.04.2002   [ Minamata kommt nach Deutschland ]
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18.08.2001   [ Dirck Halstead : "Paying the Personal Price" ]
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Regards,

Aribert Deckers
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Martin Brown - 29 Jul 2009 14:15 GMT
>> They had to get it out by chelation therapy. But during the diagnosis
>> they did a chest X-ray and it howed up the details of capilliaries in
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> could you find out more, like the title, authors, etc?

One of them is
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?itool=abstractplus&db=pubmed&cmd=Retrie
ve&dopt=abstractplus&list_uids=12040263


But a Google search on injected elemental mercury will find others. They
were attempted suicides but the effect was not lethal at all.

>>>> Romans used to drink elemental mercury as an emetic. But then they
>>>> sweetened wine with sugar of lead too.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> In Germany we still have "Bleikristall" for drinking glasses. The lead contained
> in the glass enhances some optical properties.

Lead crystal is still common the high refractive index looks more
impressive. Again I would not worry about it unless the wine is very
acidic and kept in the glass for a very long time.

>> This is the sort of toxicology scare story intended to sucker the
>> worried well into expensive pointless treatments that will do more harm
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Many physicists in the old days (18. century) experimented with mercury and many
> of them for sure were poisoned by that.

Hanson is a modern example of why you should not breathe mercury fumes.
It was an occupational hazard of felt makers and hatters. and use of
mercury for refining gold is still a major source of pollution.

>> I remember getting our physics teacher to run a Maxwell's spur demo
>> using open mercury arcing and sparking on the open bench. It would not
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> mercury. Another problem is that mercury concentrates in swamps in Florida. The
> wildlife is at its limits...

Mercury is a relatively common element. And there is probably enough
uranium in your garden to scare you witless it is a fairly common trace
 element but it is rare to find minable quality uranium ore.

>>>> If you eat a lot of fish then there is a good chance that you will
>>>> consume more mercury than leaches out from your filling.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> not say that they feast, it is their normal way of living and it would NOT be
> dangerous if situation in environment would be as it was 150 years ago.

The environment was pretty bad 150 years ago. And they were still
adulterating food with arsenic. Lead and coppper smelting has been
common since Roman times. There was no idyllic golden age.

>> We evolved in an environment where all the elements are
>> present in trace levels. You can cope with a certain amount of anything
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> 14.05.2001   [ Der Betrug mit "chlorella pyrenoidosa" ]
>              http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amachlor.htm

There is an industry creating expensive "cures" for the "worried well".
It is nastier when they create "cures" for the seriously ill and
desperate - ozonated butter being a good example of that quackery.

>> Unless you make a habit of sniffing the smoke from crematoria there is
>> comparatively little to worry about mercury in dental amalgam once it
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> knows how much mercury he gets by this into his own garden, his own fruits and
> vegetables...?

I don't think plants take up that much mercury so it isn't as big a deal
as you might think. Gas phase mercury is a very bad thing though and
there are measures intended to scrub mercury out of flue gasses. I think
that is one of the reasons why there has been so much research into fast
ultra sensitive ways to measure Mercury at extremely low levels.
------------------
> 2004-06-30
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> as possible on a national basis, should
> the proposal be adopted.

I am afraid that at this point KemI begins to sound like yet another
crank organisation that wants to ban all chemicals.

> Amalgam
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Welfare are therefore proposing such an
> exemption valid until 31 December 2008.

Amalgam is extremely good as a dental medium. They even concede that
point in this paragraph by saying it might have to be used for hospital
dental treatment of adult patients. Presumably after the standard modern
filled polymer has failed.

> Chemicals used in analyses
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> pharmaceutical industry, to make medical
> diagnoses and within R&D.

This is complete nonsense. To be able to measure mercury in
environmental samples in the laboratory we have to use calibrated
standards containing mercury!

It is also going to make energy saving CFLs and mercury strip lights
rather difficult to use.

> Chlor-alkali production
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> This is in line with EC directives and
> international conventions.

ALthough they use a lot of mercury and historic sites can be very
polluted they have cleaned up their act and done a lot of research into
mercury trace analysis. I know first hand that one of the major players
had the most sensitive kit on the planet in the mid 1990's.

> (2003) to about 190 kg a year. Amalgam
> represents the largest reduction. Amalgam
> is currently the largest individual source
> of mercury content in the sludge of
> sewage treatment plants.

Slightly surprising but not impossible. I would have thought the
crematoria and coal fired power stations were much worse but it is as
air pollution that they release it.

>> The people who mix it up in the dentist need checking for
>> occcupational exposure though.
>
> About that ALSO there do not leak out news anymore... This silence for sure is
> no good.

You are being paranoid. The handling of mercury at most dentists is very
good. I expect there are a few rogues but in general it is done well.

Regards,
Martin Brown
Happy Oyster - 30 Jul 2009 11:17 GMT
>... use of mercury for refining gold is still a major source of pollution.

THAT PEST (gold washers) is ruining large areas in Africa and South America.
They should be sent to jail IMMEDIATELY. The whole area should be closed and no
human ever shall be allowed to enter it again. Nature must be kept free of
humans.

>>> I remember getting our physics teacher to run a Maxwell's spur demo
>>> using open mercury arcing and sparking on the open bench. It would not
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>uranium in your garden to scare you witless it is a fairly common trace
>  element but it is rare to find minable quality uranium ore.

That is just like the "argumentation" of Jehova's Witnesses...

>>>>> If you eat a lot of fish then there is a good chance that you will
>>>>> consume more mercury than leaches out from your filling.
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>adulterating food with arsenic. Lead and coppper smelting has been
>common since Roman times. There was no idyllic golden age.

There was nearly no industry and there were nearly no toxic chemicals. So the
water WAS much better than today. One big point you miss is the minute number of
inhabitants. The population explosion began "only recently", but until 1850
population density was low.

>>> We evolved in an environment where all the elements are
>>> present in trace levels. You can cope with a certain amount of anything
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>It is nastier when they create "cures" for the seriously ill and
>desperate - ozonated butter being a good example of that quackery.

Ozonated butter? Never heard of it. How much did they sell? Must have stunk like
hell. ;O)

>>> Unless you make a habit of sniffing the smoke from crematoria there is
>>> comparatively little to worry about mercury in dental amalgam once it
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>I don't think plants take up that much mercury so it isn't as big a deal
>as you might think.

The MASS of the plants is the important factor. If million tons of wood burn,
they DO set free large quantities of whatever.

>Gas phase mercury is a very bad thing though and
>there are measures intended to scrub mercury out of flue gasses.

Fires (wild fires) DO vaporize!

>I think
>that is one of the reasons why there has been so much research into fast
>ultra sensitive ways to measure Mercury at extremely low levels.

I don't think so. If people REALLY were so actively fighting mercury, they would
not use it in so many electric apparatusses.

>------------------
>> 2004-06-30
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>I am afraid that at this point KemI begins to sound like yet another
>crank organisation that wants to ban all chemicals.

No, they are carefull, that's all.

>> Amalgam
>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>dental treatment of adult patients. Presumably after the standard modern
>filled polymer has failed.

You do not quote correctly. Just some lines above one can read:

>> dental service. In exceptional cases,
                  ********************
>> amalgam might have to be used in hospital
          *********************
>> dental treatment of adult patients.

==> "In exceptional cases" ... "might have to be used"
******************************************************


>> Chemicals used in analyses
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>environmental samples in the laboratory we have to use calibrated
>standards containing mercury!

To measure it is ONE thing, but TO AVOID TO USE IT is what must be done.

>It is also going to make energy saving CFLs and mercury strip lights
>rather difficult to use.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>mercury trace analysis. I know first hand that one of the major players
>had the most sensitive kit on the planet in the mid 1990's.

Again: not measuring the important, avoidance is.

>> (2003) to about 190 kg a year. Amalgam
>> represents the largest reduction. Amalgam
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>crematoria and coal fired power stations were much worse but it is as
>air pollution that they release it.

The important point here: The dental amalgams are not taken out before burning
the corpses.

>>> The people who mix it up in the dentist need checking for
>>> occcupational exposure though.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>You are being paranoid. The handling of mercury at most dentists is very
>good. I expect there are a few rogues but in general it is done well.

The "handling of mercury at most dentists" was changed by force BECAUSE the
anti-mercurist front gained influence. I remember many ugly discussions with
people who wanted to go on with things as they had been for decades.

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Originally published June 5 2008

Mercury Fillings Shattered! FDA, ADA Conspiracy to Poison Children
with Toxic Mercury Fillings Exposed in Groundbreaking Lawsuit

by Mike Adams (<http://www.naturalnews.com/index-HRarticles.html>see
all articles by this author)

(NaturalNews) The FDA has, for decades, ridiculously insisted that
mercury fillings pose no health threat whatsoever to children. While
dismissing hundreds of studies showing a clear link between mercury
amalgam fillings ("silver fillings") and disastrous neurological
effects in the human body, the FDA denied the truth about mercury and
effectively protected the mercury filling racket that has brought so
much harm to so many people. For over a hundred years, a cabal of
"mercury mongers" made up of
<http://www.naturalnews.com/the_American_Dental_Association.html>the
American Dental Association, mercury filling manufacturers and
indignant <http://www.naturalnews.com/dentists.html>dentists have
reaped windfall profits by implanting toxic fillings into the mouths
of children, all while insisting that
<http://www.naturalnews.com/mercury.html>mercury -- one of the most
toxic heavy metals known to modern science -- posed no health threat
whatsoever.

Today, that reign of
<http://www.naturalnews.com/toxicity.html>toxicity is about to end.
Thanks to the tireless, multi-year efforts of people like Charles
Brown, National Counsel for Consumers for Dental Choice
(<http://www.ToxicTeeth.org>www.ToxicTeeth.org),
<http://www.naturalnews.com/the_FDA.html>the FDA has now been forced
to acknowledge a fact so fundamental that, by any measure of honest
science, it should have adopted the position decades ago. What
position is that? Simply that mercury is toxic to humans.

Why the FDA has to be sued to do its job of protecting consumers

The FDA's stonewalling on this issue has been nothing less than a
circus of politically-motivated denials, much like the Big Tobacco
executives swearing under oath that "Nicotine is not addictive." In
similar style, the FDA insisted for decades that "Mercury is not
toxic." Both statements, as any sane person can readily conclude, are
the outbursts of lunatics. Sadly, those lunatics somehow remain in
charge of our nation's food, drugs and cosmetics (and
<http://www.naturalnews.com/dental_care.html>dental care), meaning
that any real progress to protect the People must come from outside
the FDA.

And that's exactly what just happened. Consumers for Dental Choice
teamed up with Moms Against Mercury
(<http://www.MomsAgainstMercury.org>www.MomsAgainstMercury.org) to
sue
the FDA and its commissioner whose name sounds like an evil-minded
villian right out of a Marvel comic book: Von
<http://www.naturalnews.com/Eschenbach.html>Eschenbach. The lawsuit,
entitled, Moms Against Mercury et al. v. Von Eschenbach,
Commissioner,
et al was concluded earlier this week with a reluctant agreement by
the FDA to both change its website on the issue of mercury and to
reclassify mercury within one year, following a period of public
comment (which the agency will no doubt try to drag out as long as
possible in order to avoid actually sticking to the terms of the
lawsuit agreement).

Remarkably, the FDA's website no longer claims mercury is harmless.
The language has now been changed in dramatic
<http://www.naturalnews.com/fashion.html>fashion, reading: "Dental
<http://www.naturalnews.com/amalgams.html>amalgams contain mercury,
which may have neurotoxic effects on the nervous systems of
developing
children and fetus."

There's still a lot of fudging there. Note the careful use of the
word
"may," which means the FDA still isn't sure whether mercury is
neurotoxic, but it might be. This is the FDA's way of continuing to
stonewall this issue, even as it lost its lawsuit. For any FDA
officials who don't yet think mercury is toxic to the human
<http://www.naturalnews.com/nervous_system.html>nervous system, I
invite them to chug a few milliliters of the substance themselves and
find out what the effects might be. It certainly couldn't make them
any more mad than they are already!

Why the FDA is as mad as a hatter

Speaking of people going mad with mercury, that's the history of the
term "as mad as a hatter." As explained by
<http://www.naturalnews.com/Wikipedia.html>Wikipedia:

There is scientific evidence behind the meaning of insanity. Mercury
was used in the process of curing felt used in some hats. It was
impossible for hatters to avoid inhaling the mercury fumes given off
during the hat making process. Hatters and other men in working mills
died early due to the residual mercury caused
<http://www.naturalnews.com/neurological_damage.html>neurological
damage, as well as confused speech and distorted vision. As the
<http://www.naturalnews.com/mercury_poisoning.html>mercury poisoning
progressed to dangerously high levels, sufferers could also
experience
psychotic symptoms, such as hallucinations. See
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_hatter#.22Mad_as_a_Hatter.22>http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_hatter...
to read more.

Interestingly, the symptoms of mercury toxicity quite accurately
describe the mental state of the top decision makers at both the FDA
and the
<http://www.naturalnews.com/American_Dental_Association.html>American
Dental Association, both of which have hallucinated for decades that
mercury was safe for children to swallow! These people also exhibit
symptoms of serious neurological damage such as malfunctioning
frontal
lobes -- the part of the brain responsible for reasoning. They also
seem to lack proper functioning in the part of brain responsible for
empathy and compassion towards fellow
<http://www.naturalnews.com/human_beings.html>human beings.

Perhaps top FDA and <http://www.naturalnews.com/ADA.html>ADA
officials
have been chemically lobotomized in some way, and there's no question
that the leaders in conventional
<http://www.naturalnews.com/dentistry.html>dentistry suffer from
advanced stages of psychosis, too. This could very well be due to the
fact that their ongoing use of
<http://www.naturalnews.com/mercury_fillings.html>mercury fillings
has
exposed them to decades of mercury vapors and airborne particles
which
have entered their nervous systems and damaged their brains, making
them appear quite mad.

Thus, the modern version of "mad as a hatter" might be, "mad as a
<http://www.naturalnews.com/dentist.html>dentist."

Not all dentists are mad, mind you, but the ones that still work with
mercury no doubt suffer very real neurological damage as a result.

What's next for the FDA

Despite this lawsuit victory, please keep in mind that the FDA has
not
agreed to immediately ban toxic mercury fillings. They have merely
agreed to consider reclassifying mercury at some future date -- a
commitment they will probably break, given their history of lying
about mercury and refusing to do what they've agreed to do on this
subject (see the interview, below, for more details on that).

At every opportunity throughout recent history, the FDA has gone out
of its way to censor the truth about the toxicity of mercury
fillings,
thereby directly supporting the continued exposure of literally
hundreds of millions of children, adults and senior citizens to a
substance that every reasonable scientist in the modern world knows
to
be highly toxic to the human nervous system. And in this way, the FDA
is guilty of crimes against the People. To know that a substance is
highly toxic, and yet to continue allowing it to be implanted into
the
mouths of children, teens and adults (even when you have the power to
ban it) is not merely irresponsible, it is downright criminal.

I can only hope that a nationwide class action lawsuit against
<http://www.naturalnews.com/the_ADA.html>the ADA, the FDA, local
dentists and mercury manufacturers will emerge from this action.
Countless Americans have been poisoned by mercury fillings, and the
whole scam has been orchestrated by the usual suspects: Powerful
<http://www.naturalnews.com/corporations.html>corporations and
industry groups that sought to exploit the People for profits,
regardless of the harm it might cause them. The fact that a substance
as toxic as mercury has been allowed to be implanted into the mouths
of children for so long reveals precisely how corrupt, outdated and
downright dangerous our system of modern dentistry has really become.
Much of what comes out of the mouths of dentists, it turns out, is
pure poison... and not coincidentally, that's exactly what those same
dentists put into the mouths of their own patients!

But I don't want to give the impression that all dentists are evil.
In
fact, more and more dentists are now practicing mercury-free
dentistry, and I strongly recommend that if you need to see a dentist
in the future, insist on seeing one that has given up using mercury.
This is more than a personal health issue, it's also an environmental
issue. Where do you think all the mercury goes after you chew on
those
silver fillings and swallow little mercury bits? The mercury
molecules
that aren't absorbed by your body and lodged in your brain cells are
eliminated from the body and flow right into
<http://www.naturalnews.com/the_environment.html>the environment.
Ever
wonder why all the <http://www.naturalnews.com/seafood.html>seafood
bring harvested from the ocean these days is contaminated with
mercury? Well now you know: It's due to all the toxic consumers
peeing
away the mercury they've swallowed from their silver fillings!

See my related CounterThink Cartoon, Seafood Mercury Warning at
<http://www.naturalnews.com/021690.html>http://www.naturalnews.com/
021690.html

The FDA remains steadfastly clueless about mercury

So now, thanks to this lawsuit, the FDA has changed its website to
read: "Pregnant women and persons who may have a health condition
that
makes them more sensitive to mercury exposure, including individuals
with existing high levels of mercury bioburden, should not avoid
seeking dental care, but should discuss options with their health
practitioner."

This sentence says nothing conclusive of course, and it doesn't urge
consumers to avoid mercury in any way, but it does at least imply
that
perhaps there is a link between dental care and mercury poisoning. If
you're interested in being amused, you can read all this distorted
language yourself at:
<http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/consumer/amalgams.html>http://www.fda.gov/
cdrh/consumer/amalgams.html

This document, by the way, reveals the outright stupidity of FDA
"experts" as they stumble from one topic to the next. For example,
one
question asked on the page is:

Should <http://www.naturalnews.com/pregnant_women.html>pregnant women
and young children use or avoid amalgam fillings?

The FDA's answer to that is: The recent advisory panel believed that
there was not enough information to answer this question.

In other words, the FDA advisory panel selectively chose to avoid all
the evidence showing mercury to be extremely harmful to the nervous
system of a fetus or a child, and they have decided to pretend to be
uninformed on the subject rather than take any real stance on
protecting human beings from the toxicity of mercury. Wow, and to
think, these are the people running our national food supply and drug
approval processes, too! Is it any wonder so many drugs are deadly?
If
the FDA thinks mercury is safe, no wonder they think deadly
pharmaceuticals don't harm people either!

Exclusive interview with Charles Brown, Consumers for Dental Choice

In the days leading up to this lawsuit with the FDA, I spoke to
Charles Brown over the phone and explored the timeline of events
involving the FDA and mercury. This interview, published below, is
nothing short of astonishing! In it, you'll learn about the FDA's
stonewalling tactics, the lies and deceptions of the American Dental
Association, and why it took an outside consumer group suing the FDA
to get the agency to do its job of protecting consumers from toxic
mercury.

Here's the full interview. Be sure to learn more at
<http://www.ToxicTeeth.org>www.ToxicTeeth.org

Mike: The story here is that you and the organization – Consumers for
Dental Choice are now suing the Food & Drug Administration to seek
removal of mercury fillings from the U.S. marketplace. Can you give
us
some details about this lawsuit? Why you think suing the FDA is the
best way to go here.

Charlie: Well sure Mike, the FDA is the spoke of the wheel here. I
mean they are the ones that make decisions on whether products should
be on the market or should not be on the market. They approve, they
classify. In the case of devices – a device is something that is used
in <http://www.naturalnews.com/healthcare.html>healthcare and it is
separately regulated under a set of rules. One category of devices is
implants. Implants are what goes in the body but does not dissolve.
It
stays in the body at least six months and does not dissolve.

Dental fillings are an implant. The FDA is deciding instead of
classifying, instead of regulating it, it will do nothing and it has
done nothing on mercury amalgam – encapsulated mercury fillings -
decade after decade. They continue to promise to act and actually,
last year they made me a written promise and I foolishly believed
them. I actually thought when they promised, in writing, that they
would begin the classifying process and put together the first step.

They promised me specifically what the step would be, I naively
thought, "Well, gee maybe these people are honorable and telling the
truth." Actually, once again, they have just pretended. Under
pressure, they will say they are going to do something – pressure
from
Congress, pressure from the Courts, pressure from petitioners,
pressure from the press.

They will say, "Sure, we are going to do something." They do nothing.
They have left this mercury amalgam out there unclassified,
unregulated with no warnings and just a few news releases, which have
nothing to do with what they are supposed to be doing.

Mike: So mercury fillings – let me just get this straight from the
beginning here, have never been classified by the FDA, which means
they have never been really approved by the FDA, correct?

Charlie: Correct, this is a primitive filling in the first place but
the pre-primitive – the pre-historic system in the 19th and early
20th
Century was where was the dentist mixed the mercury with a powder.
That lasted until the 20th Century with the old-fashioned offices. It
is now prohibited in several states but that was the way where the
dentists would mix a bottle of mercury and powder. That has been
classified – not together, but the powder has been classified and the
bottle of mercury.

No dentist does that anymore. They are not allowed to do it that way
where the ADA tells them not to do it. The state government tells
them
not to do it. Everybody tells them they cannot do it that way and
they
do not do it that way. They take the capsule that they receive in the
mail. The capsule has never been classified. The FDA knows to
classify. Any step that the FDA takes, that the Food & Drug
Administration takes toward addressing mercury fillings they know it
is the beginning of the end.

Mike: That is my next question. Do you think there will be a
cascading
effect here? I mean if the FDA honestly begins to apply the law; it
would then have to mean the end of mercury.

Charlie: It is the end of the mercury fillings if they apply law so
they have intentionally done nothing. If they classify amalgam, they
know they are going to have to classify it similar to other mercury
devices so they do not do it.

Mike: They just try to delay this and hope no one notices.

Charlie: They will delay until they retire – not delay until next
week. They will delay until they retire. Then they will get the
golden
retirement egg from the American Dental Association. They also know
that if they did an Environmental Impact Statement it is the end of
mercury fillings.

Mike: Well, that is my next question.

The
<http://www.naturalnews.com/environmental_impact.html>environmental
impact of mercury fillings in dentistry

Charlie: Environmental... yes, sure – the Environmental Impact
Statement says it does not require you to go a certain step but if
you
say if we use mercury fillings, it is the largest source of mercury
in
the wastewater. Its cremation is the largest source of mercury in the
air except in communities that have many power plants is something.

In communities with no other industrial mercury uses it is the
largest
source of mercury in the air and is the largest source of mercury in
the <http://www.naturalnews.com/water.html>water in every community
in
<http://www.naturalnews.com/America.html>America -- the huge
contributor in coming out of cemeteries and so on. So you say if we
continue mercury fillings, it is an environmental disaster. If we ban
them, it is environmentally the right thing to do. Once they have
done
that the logical step since you could go either way is to take the
environmentally friendly move.

They will not do an Environmental Impact Statement. It is a conscious
decision inside FDA of protectors of mercury fillings – people like
Susan Runner, people like Norris Alderson who have decided that they
will protect the use of these fillings on behalf of organized
dentistry and they will defy the laws of the land to do so.

Mike: I have so many questions to ask you about this. Let us start
with one that I think any intelligent reader would be asking himself
or herself and that is if this mercury is so toxic to human
biochemistry and if it has such a detrimental impact on the
environment, how could so many dentists and the American Dental
Association be in such strong support of it.

Charlie: Yes, it is amazing. It is amazing. It really goes to the
foundation stone. Clearly if we had it to do over again we would not
build the combustion engine. The invention of the combustion engine
may have been the decision that destroys our planet unless we can
reverse that. I mean clearly that is the main reason we are turning
our planet into a heat box.

However, the foundation stone is the combustion engine in which Henry
Ford put us. The foundation stone of dentistry is mercury fillings.
If
there had been no mercury fillings, there would have been no dental
profession. That is a certainty. We now have
<http://www.naturalnews.com/physicians.html>physicians of the ear,
nose, and throat. In the 19th Century, there were physicians of the
mouth. They said to use mercury is malpractice.

The barbers put the mercury in. It worked better than gold, which was
very hot then. It hurt you to go in. Whereas, the mercury was nice
and
smooth and people were drinking mercury for syphilis so they were
able
to put it in there because medicine had not yet pushed it out of
their
profession. They pushed it out again not counting
<http://www.naturalnews.com/vaccines.html>vaccines but they pushed it
out of medicine around 1900, but dentistry was something different.

By then dentistry had gotten their market niche. Their market niche
was we are going to take care of the mouth. They created an entirely
different profession – one that basically is not related to
healthcare. They take the position the mouth is so different from the
rest of the body we will just worry about the mouth and nothing else
and you <http://www.naturalnews.com/doctors.html>doctors will not
worry about the mouth at all. We have the most grotesque healthcare
system where physicians even refuse to look at the mouth. People in
the <http://www.naturalnews.com/hospital.html>hospital – you can be
in
the hospital, you can be so sick and nobody is going to look at your
mouth except the dentist.

It is like a division of labor where they both make their money and
the person harmed is the public, so organized dentistry took the
position since mercury is safe by definition because we use it and we
are doctors, anything we put in the mouth is safe. They just put
in...
they put beryllium in there.

They put anything in there with the idea of we are immune because we
are doctors. We know what we are doing and it is just a tragedy. It
is
just unbelievable that we ended up with a profession so wedded to the
most neuro-toxic element on the planet.

Why dentists are walking away from mercury fillings

Mike: Well, you hinted at the arrogance of the professionals who
continue to support this mercury and you mentioned the history quite
a
bit there. I have to wonder that given that nearly a hundred years
have passed since this was being widely introduced into dentistry and
with all the information about mercury's toxicity over the years, how
could dentists still say that this substance is not harmful? What is
their argument now?

Charlie: Well, half of them do not use it now. See half of them have
walked away from it. Here is what happened – enter the institutional
powerhouse, the American Dental Association, to impose a top down
system. The ADA realizing that they had a secret. The ADA became the
whole player on the field. The ADA is opposite
<http://www.naturalnews.com/the_AMA.html>the AMA in many ways and I
am
not – believe me I am not a supporter of the
<http://www.naturalnews.com/
American_Medical_Association.html>American
Medical Association. I do not mean to say that but in this one area
the AMA has a set of <http://www.naturalnews.com/ethics.html>ethics
that make sense, which is we do not endorse products for money. The
AMA ventured into that I think in about the '30s and decided they had
better stop and then they ventured into it again in the '90s and they
realized they could not.

They promised their membership. They had to fire their executive
director, break this contract with Sunbeam, and promise they will
never endorse products for money. That is the AMA's ethical position
and it is an ethical position. The ADA – the American Dental
Association has no such ethics, Mike. They endorse products for
money.

The ADA, starting in the '50s really, the 1950's, they really took
off
at that point. A product endorsement system, business studies show
that Crest was a minor
<http://www.naturalnews.com/toothpaste.html>toothpaste product
compared to Colgate. Crest surpassed Colgate because the they poured
money into the ADA coffers and the ADA, in turn, gave their name to
Crest to say we endorse this Crest toothpaste. It became such an
advantage for Crest that the other toothpaste makers decided they
would slop money to the ADA too, which they did.

The ADA was not only unethically telling the public a product is safe
when they did not know if it was safe. They were not testing it. The
ADA was even taking money from their members for joining and then
turning around and saying to their members you should use this
product
because we endorse it, because it is safe and effective when they had
no idea if it was safe and effective.

They were serving two masters but the corporate master to ADA was
paramount and so they took these sums of money from every dental
products manufacturer, became a dental products endorsement machine
more than a professional group – much more than a professional group.
You had that basic powerhouse – the ADA saying go buy these products.

Then the ADA saw the criticism of mercury amalgam coming in the
1980's
and they knew they had to do something because they were getting
money
from the manufacturers and they had dentists that did not want the
public to know. The ADA adopted a gag rule in their code of ethics in
1987 and it said that dentists should not tell anybody about the
toxicity of mercury.

Mike: Really?

Charlie: Yes, absolutely.

Mike: They adopted a gag rule about mercury fillings?

Charlie: They adopted a gag rule. In the Goldwater Center, the
Phoenix
based Goldwater Center wrote an essay condemning the gag rule in 1998
– a decade later. They were the first ones to do it.

They are a think tank, kind of a libertarian think tank I guess you
would call it – the Goldwater Center. Modeled after the thinking of
their namesake of the group, of course, Senator Goldwater... he did
not found it but it was founded on his principles and Congressman
Flake was the executive director. He is now a Congressman.

When he was executive director, Mark Gingrich – a former reporter at
the Arizona Republic, who joined that group, wrote a whole report on
the gag rule and how bad it was. That was the libertarian from the
right if you will. The libertarian on the left – the American Civil
Liberties Union, took the same position. They sued the Connecticut
Dental Board here on the other coast, said you cannot have this gag
rule, and won.

Then the attorney general of Oregon, the attorney general of Iowa
said
you have to stop the gag rule so bit by bit, piece by piece, the gag
rule has been dismantled but the value of it was the ADA protecting
its product.

I will tell you something else when they adopted the gag rule, I left
this out: the ADA had <http://www.naturalnews.com/
patents.html>patents
on mercury amalgam. Not only did they get money for promoting the
product. They even got patents on amalgam to protect its use, then
told dentists do not talk about this product.

Mike: This sounds like just a financial racket here.

Charlie: The ADA is a financial racket. There is no question about
it.
To break the control over mercury fillings you not only have the
history, they have to protect their profession, which was founded on
mercury. I mean it is not that now but it was founded on mercury –
the
foundation stone. They have to protect their own history and their
own
pocketbooks.

Now with the gag rule crumbling they have many problems. The ADA has
huge problems with this. They are in retreat. Mike, the one thing is
they are definitely this year they began retreating. We gave them an
exit strategy. December of 2006 I sat down in the ADA headquarters
and
said you guys know you have to get out of this and I have a cost-free
exit strategy that will not destroy your reputation. We presented –
Consumers for Dental Choice presented the ADA – the American Dental
Association with an exit strategy on mercury fillings based on the
environment where the ADA could say they would not have to concede
any
health issues. They would say we recognize that mercury amalgam is an
environmental problem. Alternatives exist, therefore, we are
announcing a phase out over the following number of years.

I asked for one year and they said it would have to be longer and I
said okay, but I said we have to have an end. People have said to me
well let us take them on like
<http://www.naturalnews.com/cigarettes.html>cigarettes and I will
tell
that is about the worst prototype I can think of where the lawyers
became billionaires and kids are still smoking.

I am not going to tolerate that kind of end where a bunch of people
get rich and the kids are still harmed... because poor kids are still
getting mercury fillings and poor Latino pregnant women and Native
American children and so on are getting this. We are not going to
accept that. There has to be an end date.

They were willing to do it. The lawyers were willing to do it at this
discussion – December 14, 2006 at the ADA offices in Chicago but they
just could not pull the trigger with the ADA. They just could not
have
a second meeting. They have decided instead through 2007 they are
doing a gradual retreat. There is no question they are. It is coming,
but the gradual retreat continues to harm millions of people in
America and around the world. Their gradual retreat is not
acceptable.
We are not going to have a Vietnam ending where we have eight years
to
withdraw.

Mike: Right, now, I mean obviously the ADA does not want to admit
that
mercury fillings were ever a hazard because then they could open
themselves up to huge class-action
<http://www.naturalnews.com/lawsuits.html>lawsuits, right.

Charlie: Absolutely and I told them I hope they do get huge
class-action lawsuits and some day they will because they would not
walk away from it. They had their chance and they continued to give
this nonsensical stuff about how mercury exposure is okay as long as
they do it. It is just outrageous. It is morally outrageous and they
know it.

The scientific reports that they produce are cooked. They are
unethical. They have no scientific aspect. They are simply PR
machines
where they find some dentist – not a real scientist but just their
fellow dentists to write reports. It is an effort to say we are going
to protect ourselves, we are going to have our government do it, the
government is going to do it for us, and the FDA is about as
compliant
a government agency as ever existed.

Mike: Now, what happens if your lawsuit succeeds with the FDA? I mean
essentially, what has to happen next for the FDA to ban mercury
fillings?

Charlie: Well, they could take many routes. They could just ban it.
They could start doing their job. If they start the classifying
process then amalgam is gone. The ADA has admitted that. The ADA
warned its members the FDA is probably going to put restrictions on
amalgam. That process has started. They promised us they were
starting
then the FDA just stopped. They just stopped because within the
organization they reversed the course and decided effectively that
dentists are more important to them than consumers. It is just so
tragic that dental economics out-trumps children's health but that is
the way the FDA operates.

Mike: Well but that cannot be a surprise to anyone who follows the
FDA...

Charlie: Well it is a surprise to those of us that had an assumption
that we actually believed what we were told. I know if you follow
FDA,
it is not a surprise. The FDA needs to be totally reorganized. They
need to stop having a system where those with a self-interest in the
product are the ones that get to make the decisions.

The idea that Susan Runner, a practicing dentist, is at the FDA doing
the work for the ADA and has actually had a sort of agenda to cover
up
mercury decade after decade and it is still being covered up in the
Dental Devices Branch. The fact that Dan Schultz – the physician
who's
head of Devices will not remove her or allow anybody but a dentist to
be in charge, this shows the professional courtesy that physicians
give to dentists. Schultz simply closes his eyes.

He knows it is a problem but he is a physician. He wants dentists in
charge because that is the deal they made a hundred years ago that
dentists are in charge of the mouth and the public is shut out and
physicians are to blame as well on this for shutting their eyes. Dan
Schultz is as morally culpable and legally culpable at the FDA as
Susan Runner is. That is why we sued him and sued her both and
several
other people.

Arresting top FDA officials and charging them with crimes against the
People

Mike: Now, I am on the record saying that I believe the FBI should
march into the FDA offices and arrest these individuals and we should
prosecute them for criminal behavior against the
<http://www.naturalnews.com/American_people.html>American people. Do
you think that is going way too far or do you think that's quite
reasonable?

Charlie: That is probably not going too far. We filed a series of
complaints with the Inspector General. We filed complaints with the
in-house FDA Inspector and then filed a complaint with the U.S.
Inspector General last Fall. They have decided they will not comply
with the law. They know they have to classify mercury amalgam. They
will not do it.

They know environmental impact statements are required or
environmental assessments are required – the first step. They will
not
do it. They know that they warn about all of the mercury exposures
such as fish or they warn against as a matter of precaution mercury
exposure to children from all other sources. They banned
mercurochrome
years ago. They took it out of childhood vaccines – actually not of
them but they said they would take it out of all of them.

They gave warnings on fish for children and pregnant women. They have
decided that they will stand silent on mercury and it is truly a
<http://www.naturalnews.com/conspiracy.html>conspiracy of silence.
That is why our lawsuit did not just sue the FDA. We sued five deep
into the bureaucracy. We know whom the players are who are ignoring
their duty and we have named them because we are tired of the FDA
having a system where they all can hide behind each other. I hope
that
system ends and our lawsuit plays a role in exposing it.

Mike: Now, you just mentioned
<http://www.naturalnews.com/mercury_in_fish.html>mercury in fish and
that is a great point. Do you happen to know how many times more
mercury there is in a typical filling than would be found in a
serving
of fish?

Charlie: Well, it is a more severe exposure because in the fish it is
locked in. The mercury from the fish is mainly going through the
body.
It is a lesser exposure. The mercury in the amalgam is implanted. The
mercury in the fillings is thousands of times more because it is half
a gram. That is 500,000 micrograms per filling.

Mike: Where we are talking micrograms in the fish, right?

Charlie: Yes, yes we are. We are so I mean it is so much more but it
is a way for medicine and dentistry to change the subject and to
blame
the fish. It is the fish's fault.

Mike: So the FDA says well, mercury in fish is dangerous to you but
mercury in your mouth, in your teeth is harmless.

Charlie: Well, the FDA has said that. You know the FDA does not speak
through its news releases. The FDA speaks through its regulations and
its warnings. It has never officially said anything about mercury
amalgam. They know it cannot stand the light of day. Yes, they make
off-the-cuff comments.

They come out with a white paper, which has nothing to do with a
regulation – and they refuse to say who wrote it. If FDA staff has
furtively sneaked out interviews, white papers, other ways to say
mercury fillings are safe but officially, FDA is not saying that at
all. Officially, FDA is taking the position that they have never
taken
a position that it is safe.

When forced by the Court to say is mercury safe or not in the first
lawsuit we filed, the first bombs against mercury versus FDA, the FDA
admitted five times that it does not know if mercury fillings are
safe. I can give you all five quotations from their brief or I can
give people the website to look it up.

Meet Consumers for Dental Choice

Mike: Can you tell us a little bit, about where your passion comes
from on this topic and people would like to know a bit about your
background and your organization – Consumers for Dental Choice.

Charlie: Well, sure. Consumers for Dental Choice were founded a
decade
ago. Came up with the idea in 1996 – it was an idea of Bob Jones who
is an inventor from Colorado and now in Texas. He is a former airline
pilot, former U2 pilot earlier than that. He is just an outstanding
man and inventor and an engineer. He has many patents.

He got very sick from mercury fillings and realized the impact of
them
was severe. He got to know many of the pioneering dentists like Hal
Huggins and Scott McAdoo. He was out west and in the east Sue Ann
Taylor, a journalist in Atlanta came up with the idea that we really
need a consumer movement to fight this. Bob Jones had a conference,
which he paid for and sponsored in Denver in 1996.

I was in a law firm that represented a lot of
<http://www.naturalnews.com/alternative_health.html>alternative
health
practitioners and interests and consumer groups in the kind of
cutting
edge alternative health issues many of which no longer were cutting
edge because of the work of the senior partner, Jim Turner.

Anyway so Jim Turner and I went to that and we decided we would start
up the group but Jim came up with the idea we called it the Consumers
for Dental Choice and it became a project of another non-profit and
then became its own organization in 1999.

Then it became a spin off, I left the law firm with it in 2002 to
become a full-time consumer group with an office and so on. It has
been around for 12 years. It has been a stand-alone organization for
six. I got into it representing alternative health groups. I
represented many alternative health ideas. I have been a state
attorney general of West Virginia in the 1980's. I have been a
political activist in the past and had interesting kinds of legal
challenges I think.

This has just appealed to me and I guess the more I get into it the
more I realize how many children are being hurt and how many animals
are being poisoned and we have to do something. The way to do it is
to
have a very aggressive activist organization. It needs to get right
in
the face of federal or state regulators or the private sector
interests like manufacturers or the ADA.

Mike: What about your funding? Where does your funding come from?

Charlie: We get some money from foundations – the Garfield Foundation
is a wonderful funder, has funded us for seven years. For a long time
we were funded by the Wallis Research Foundation, a family
foundation.
The patriarch was H. B. Wallis, an inventor from Iowa. He then lived
in Scottsdale near you Mike.

He died a couple of years ago and that funding ended at that point
from the Wallis Research Foundation but Garfield funds us and then
individual dentists and that number grows each year... dentists who
have decided to give money off their credit card every month or give
an annual contribution and it is very exciting. These people are
mercury-free. They are the people who know the ADA is wrong and know
we need to fight and they are so much a part of our team that quite a
few of them give money. It is terrific.

Mike: How quickly is that movement accelerating towards mercury-free
dental care?

Charlie: Well, fast. The number of mercury-free dentists, if that is
any measurement, was 9% in 1995. This is according to the Clinical
Research Associates run by the preeminent dentist scholar, very
neutral. He has no dog in our fight – Gordon Christensen out of Orem,
Utah.

One of the things he surveys in dentists is who is mercury-free and
it
was 9% in 1995. Then 27% of dentists were mercury-free by 2001; by
2005, it was 32%. In 2007, a different survey – this was by a dental
magazine said that 52% of the dentists are now mercury-free. It may
have reached that number. It may have reached half. It may have
reached the tipping point. The progress on dentists is huge. The
progress of consumers, the number of mercury fillings was far over
50%
when we started, like 60% or something like that I believe or more.

The ADA says it is fewer than 30%. I am sure it is but that is the
good news. The bad news is it could well get frozen at that number
where we have two-tier dentistry where middle-class adults get no
mercury but the poor, the children, the working class people,
minorities, children, they keep getting mercury and that is
absolutely
both immoral and unacceptable.

Mike: How much mercury is actually released into the environment or
put into people's mouths each year through dentistry?

Charlie: Well, I do not have that but the expert is the Mercury
Policy
Project and Michael Bender. They are really the experts. Their
website
is <http://www.MercuryPolicy.org>www.MercuryPolicy.org. Michael has
written just some seminal reports on this. About every two years, he
writes another one. If the folks want to go to
<http://www.MercuryPolicy.org>www.MercuryPolicy.org they will
definitely see what they need to do.

Mike: While we are mentioning websites, I want to mention yours
again.
It is <http://www.ToxicTeeth.org>www.ToxicTeeth.org

Charlie: Yes it is.

Mike: Can consumers also financially support your organization with a
donation?

Charlie: Sure, our address is 316 F Street Northeast, Suite 316,
Washington, D.C. 20002 and again our website is
<http://www.ToxicTeeth.org>www.ToxicTeeth.org

Why conventional dentists are so arrogant about mercury and fluoride

Mike: Okay and I will check out
<http://www.MercuryPolicy.org>www.MercuryPolicy.org too. I will take
a
close look at that. Getting back to the dentists themselves it is
encouraging to see that perhaps as many as half of practicing
dentists
are now shunning the use of mercury. You have to wonder what the
other
half are thinking though.

I have had numerous conversations, debates, arguments with dentists.
I
find that those who are still using mercury also still support mass
<http://www.naturalnews.com/fluoridation.html>fluoridation of the
water supply. They are some of the most arrogant people I have ever
met. It is infuriating because his or her position is that no one has
any right to question mercury or fluoridation. It makes you wonder.
Where are these people coming from that they think they already know
so much about mercury that they have declared it to be harmless and
no
one can challenge that?

Charlie: Albert Einstein once said it is always unusual to find
someone for whom curiosity survives a formal education. There are so
many dentists and they are not alone in this among professionals who
get that degree and now they can turn off their brain and make money.
These people have decided just to read the ADA propaganda and that is
it.

You hear that these pro-mercury dentists defend their use of mercury
fillings and they will not use the word "mercury" they will give
false
information as if it is inert. It is not. They know it is not. If
they
read anything, they know it is not inert.

They may just decide to believe it themselves and their big rationale
and every pro-mercury dentist that you talk to will give this
rationale within the first two minutes. We know it is safe because we
have used it for 150 years. Now, I guess the first response to that
is
what other part of pre-civil war medicine do you endorse?

The second point is that it is the most absurd scientific reasoning
to
say something has been used a long time and therefore is safe. I mean
cigarettes must be safe. I have this article, a copy of it, from the
British Lancet. Lancet is the British equivalent of the American
Medical Association Journal but it is much better. It is much less
sleazy in its connection to special interest groups, which the AMA
Journal certainly is.

The Lancet had an article in 1860, an editorial in 1860 that said
cigarettes are the universal product around. If it were dangerous as
if its critics said people would be dropping dead in the streets, and
clearly its universal use proves that it is safe and it is time to
quit criticizing it. That is what things are with amalgam. They make
jokes. Well, nobody dropped dead in my office, they say.

Well, if somebody gets sick later he or she does not go back to the
dentist. The dentist says I am just in charge of the mouth and just
the metals I put in the mouth. I do not have any other role. If I cut
you while I am putting it in, well I know I have to deal with that
because then I have done something that is in the mouth.

Any total body effect of what I do leaves with the patient. They get
that patient out of the office. They are done with them and then they
have this wall of silence and nobody can get back in and beat them in
court, although we are going to beat them in court soon. Dentists
literally say it is safe because we have done it for 150 years. Does
that make it good? – is this good if we do it for 150 years?

It was the same argument for slavery. It was the same argument for
cigarettes. It is the same argument for everything. If we do it long
enough it must be good. That is just the most absurd thing for a man
of science or a woman of science to say but by goodness, they do.

Mike: Yes, they do. I know you are not focusing on fluoridation but
of
course, this issue extends to fluoridation where I personally find
many of the same similarities – a complete lack of scientific
evidence
supporting it, a denial of the dangers of fluoridation and the
extreme
arrogance and unwillingness to consider any possibility that they
might be wrong.

Charlie: Yes, absolutely, absolutely and I think that is why you
would
say well how could this continue for so long. I mean how segregation
could continue for a hundred years. I mean how could it take 70 years
to ban lead in <http://www.naturalnews.com/gasoline.html>gasoline?

In the early 1920's as they started to mass produce gasoline with
lead
in it the people started dying. Workers died. Workers died in large
numbers and everyone knew lead was the culprit... I mean everyone
knew. Just as everyone knows mercury is toxic. Everyone knew lead in
the 1920's knew lead was toxic.

The gasoline industry and the
<http://www.naturalnews.com/oil_industry.html>oil industry came up
with two solutions. One is they thought of the funny word that said
we
have added ethyl to the gas. It means lead but they thought just as
the dentists say silver fillings or amalgam. To protect the workers
they raised the steam stacks in the plants where the gasoline was
made.

In other words, rather than the workers getting sick and dying
immediately from the lead exposure, the chimneys were raised so high
that the lead went into the higher atmosphere and started just
polluting the whole country. The workers were semi-saved in the sense
they were not dying on the spot and the whole country was getting to
the point of huge toxicity.

The study showed that as we took the lead out of gasoline in the '70s
the level of <http://www.naturalnews.com/violence.html>violence
committed by teenagers started going down immediately because each
year they were less lead-toxic and the ones growing up were not
starting out with lead toxicity. Lead toxicity like mercury toxicity
causes people to be violent because they are poisoned. They just
strike out.

It took from the '20s to the late '70s and everybody knew it was
toxic
and again with mercury fillings because the oil industry had such
well-placed lobbyists and they were able to revert the question,
saying we do not have to prove it is safe, you have to prove it is
unsafe. That is what the dentists keep doing. We have done it for 150
years so prove it. Well, okay we can prove it. But they say, now you
are not going to prove it with us having the government in our
pocket.

The government people are in their pocket. Randall Luter, who had a
lot of promise, he was Deputy Commissioner. He has just decided to
sleep on it. Let the dentists and the bureaucrats' be back in charge
of this issue at FDA; those people have decided we do not care. We
are
going to protect special interest groups or we are going to let
others
at FDA protect special interest groups so we have a similar resolve.

How to stop the FDA with a lawsuit

Mike: To conclude this – getting back to the lawsuit itself, if you
win the lawsuit can it force the FDA to rule on this? Why cannot the
FDA just say we will deal with it later? I mean can they not just
continue to delay even if you win the lawsuit?

Charlie: Well, that is a challenge. You pointed to that. I mean if a
court just looks at the FDA and says hurry up and do it, the FDA will
nod, oh your honor we certainly will. We will hurry as fast as we
can.
In that sense, it may not do anything. We are trying to build
accountability of public officials and that is why we have asked for
the remedy that the court should simply take it off the market until
FDA does its job.

Then I will bet they start moving fast. That is a challenge – a
challenge to get that kind of remedy. Nonetheless, we have to begin.
We sued them in the U.S. Court of Appeals. The Court of Appeals gave
us a roadmap to go to district court. We were all set to file in May
of 2007 and the FDA said no they would like a meeting. Please do not
file. They would like a meeting. We had a meeting. We said we need an
answer in 30 days.

In 30 days, the FDA answered and said yes, we will do an advanced
notice and a proposed rule. I got a letter from the lawyer for the
FDA, Wendy Vincente saying speaking for the FDA we will do this... we
assumed that the FDA was telling us the truth. We were wrong so we
waited and waited and waited because we would have filed this suit in
June.

The FDA just bought six, seven months of time simply by telling
another bald faced lie, which was that they were going to start
moving
forward to classify amalgam when... I think some people at the FDA
probably have that intention. I think there was good faith from some
people but the bureaucrats – the ones that want to keep mercury
fillings unclassified, protected for dentistry like Susan Runner -
have won out.

The FDA is so badly organized, its lead scientist – the Associate
Commissioner for Science, the top science person of the agency,
degree
is in veterinarian medicine.

Mike: Their degree is in veterinarian medicine?

Charlie: Veterinarian medicine – not a toxicologist, not a chemist,
the top person has a degree in veterinarian medicine.

Mike: Well, let me just say right here let me offer that when it
comes
time to apply grassroots pressure give me a call because we can put
out an action alert to our reader base, which is now over one million
people.

Charlie: That is fantastic.

Mike: If we coordinate it with what you are doing then we can create
this real surge of grassroots pressure because I think what you are
finding out is that if you take the FDA's word on anything, then
nothing is done. If we can pressure them from another angle that can
really assist your lawsuit effort or other efforts in applying
pressure. What we need is a re-launch of a campaign as you had
"Mothers Against Mercury." We need, what I call, a Web sticker – like
a bumper sticker on the Web. We need a little graphic, name like that
"Mothers Against Mercury", launch this campaign, and let it go viral
all across the Web tied to action items such as grass roots
complaints
or protests – those kinds of things.

Charlie: Well, I will tell you where we are going to work grass roots
and I am happy because I have already told the company we are,
Dentsply, is the second largest manufacturer of mercury fillings.
They
make others. They make resin. They make composite.

They also make the alternatives – porcelain and so on I think. I know
they make a resin composite. They make many other dental products and
<http://www.naturalnews.com/Wall_Street.html>Wall Street report said
Dentsply would be better off if amalgam was banned, they would be
more
profitable. Dentsply nonetheless has dug in its heels and said we are
going to keep making mercury fillings. Basically, Dentsply has turned
its back on its own shareholders.

The Wall Street has said stop and they said we are not going to stop.
Now whether this is just some kind of backroom deal with the ADA or
pressure from the ADA that they cannot stand or some other reason
that
they will not explain to me. I have written them and their counsel
wrote me back a "back of the hand" letter... about a two-paragraph
letter or three paragraphs saying [nothing substantial]. Dentsply is
not only harming consumers and dentists – dental employees, dental
workers, the environment all of which they could be sued for.

They have an easy exit route. They could make the non-mercury
fillings. That is an area we are going to work on – they are based in
York, Pennsylvania. I think their day is going to come.

Mike: Well, what if we can organize all kinds of protests around that
company even maybe not in person but phone calls, faxes, emails...

Charlie: Well, why not in person? Anybody who is listening to this
and
wants to contact me or anybody around the York, PA area or anybody in
Pennsylvania that wants to help us ought to contact me that want to
go
in person. My email is Char...@ToxicTeeth.org We would like to get
people to write but we want folks that are somewhere in the Maryland,
eastern half of Pennsylvania...

Mike: We have readers all over the country and I know we could get
people there. I do not know how many. I do not know if it is ten,
100,
or what but I know we have people emailing us all the time asking
what
we can do. What can we do to fight these evil corporations? If we get
some people out there protesting with signs – "Mercury poisoned my
child" on their sign. If we get that up on YouTube this could have
just a huge domino effect not only make more people aware of your
organization but also the mercury toxicity issue.

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> News from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:

Not an authority!

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t - 27 Jul 2009 11:09 GMT
> Not an authority!
>
> anyone can have a blog.
Happy Oyster - 27 Jul 2009 07:27 GMT
Who is Jan Drew? What does she do in the net. Over the past 10 years she shot
more than 60,000 postings into the net. She is one of those who spoiled several
newsgroups. So, WHO IS JAN DREW?

FAQ about JAN DREW, the Net stalker and agent for the naturopathic mafia
========================================================================

                          Part V
                          ======

1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he?
2. The history of Jan Drew
3. Where is Jan Drew?
4. Bloomington, Indiana - what a town...?
5. Jan Drew in Bloomington, Indiana
6. The second marriage of Janet Mae Stidd

1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he?
========================================

Yesterday, on July 15th., 2009, Jan Drew used this email address:

  "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>

today, a Jan Drew shows up and makes the very same mess as the Jan Drew before.

The question is: Is this new Jan Drew the very same as the old one?

Have a look at this header of a posting by the old Jan Drew:

<quote>
Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>
From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>
*******************************************

Newsgroups:
alt.support.attn-deficit,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,sci.med.dentistry
References: <2Tv5m.13822$Dx2.10481@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com>
<4a56c915$1@news.x-privat.org>
<5887315b-4039-4968-96b4-690ef356cdf7@k20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>
<1n5f55h7u4c42bi46dd3edip1jill4llqg@4ax.com>
<c5f6d3c6-9b06-41d2-a108-fd1f1db1c3c7@m18g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>
<4a57f60d@news.x-privat.org>
<e0ee83b9-fd44-4b4e-aa43-144adc5c81d6@j12g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>
<4a5949b8@news.x-privat.org>
<c3fb2c8b-309c-476f-85e1-105728115430@f16g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>
<%tR6m.13435$j84.75@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>
<598f2214-9713-4260-b3e6-2970dcad8ef3@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
In-Reply-To: <598f2214-9713-4260-b3e6-2970dcad8ef3@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Turning every which way
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Message-ID: <NCc7m.16203$j84.2428@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.89.125
X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net
X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009
************************************************************

00:08:13 EDT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:08:13 EDT
Organization: at&t http://my.att.net/
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:08:06 -0400
misc.health.alternative:625434 misc.kids.health:185126
alt.support.breast-implant:159698 sci.med.dentistry:311488

> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
</quote>

The old Jan Drew posts from the IP

X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009

The new Jan Drew with the email address

  Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>

posts from this IP:

Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.239.93.194;

See this piece of proof:

<quote>
From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>
*************************************

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: TURNABOUT IS FAIR PLAY
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
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Message-ID: <b2ae85b9-c00d-4ade-8e32-4baa930a2bff@r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
References: <1934e371-d192-4b1e-88be-e8db77045bb3@q35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.93.194
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1247775941 27518 127.0.0.1 (16 Jul 2009 20:25:41
GMT)
X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:25:41 +0000 (UTC)
Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.239.93.194;
*************************************************************************

    posting-account=OFeWnQoAAABbB1i9TveLsH6hCiYooPyP
User-Agent: G2/1.0
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1)
    Gecko/20090624 Firefox/3.5 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)

Oh, dear Mark is shouting again.  You should be careful.  Remember you
will be 64 in November of this year.
Regardless of all your antics to prove otherwise.  The fact is you
posted your birthday.

On Jul 15, 11:27 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For years Jan has felt it is her right to report anyone she wishes to
> their ISP or email provider.
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
> I suggest you read your terms of service
> At Gmail.com,Optimum.net, cv.net, and google.com

You are not fooling me, Mark S Probert.  I happen to know you reported
me several days ago.
And, what does Torah say about turnabout is fair play?
</quote>

So we have:

  From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>
  Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT)

but about an hour later, with the same email address another IP shows up:

  From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>
  Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT)

See this piece of proof:

<quote>
From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>
**********************************************

Newsgroups:
alt.support.attn-deficit,sci.med,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
Subject: Re: ADHD Drugs Proven Absolutely Useless for Children - Plus, They
    Stunt Growth
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT)
**********************************************

Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 418
Message-ID: <356ea98d-dfc2-471b-84c5-57daa71288cf@r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
References: <97f92520-cdcc-4952-bc3f-a8b4e6b3c1e4@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
    <a6427afd-254c-44e3-9bd9-4d96bce8881a@o36g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>
    <a9086444-5e6e-4267-89be-6ee0f5cf2cb8@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.112.11
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1247780472 9697 127.0.0.1 (16 Jul 2009 21:41:12 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:41:12 +0000 (UTC)
Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.12.112.11;
***********************************************************************
    posting-account=OFeWnQoAAABbB1i9TveLsH6hCiYooPyP

User-Agent: G2/1.0
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; AOL 9.0; Windows NT 6.0;
    Trident/4.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR
    3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
X-HTTP-Via: HTTP/1.1 (Velocity/3.1.1.5 [uScMs f p eN:t cCMp s ]), HTTP/1.0
    spider-mtc-ta11.proxy.aol.com[400C700B] (Prism/1.2.1)

On Jul 12, 7:01 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 12, 1:48 am, bosco62a <bosco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
</quote>

This is the IP:

  Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.12.112.11;

So we see that

 Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>

also uses this IP from AOL:

<quote>
IP Information for 64.12.112.11

IP Location:  United States Reston America Online Inc
Resolve Host: spider-mtc-ta11.proxy.aol.com
IP Address: 64.12.112.11      
Blacklist Status: Clear
Whois Record
OrgName:    America Online, Inc. 
OrgID:      AMERIC-158
Address:    10600 Infantry Ridge Road
City:       Manassas
StateProv:  VA
PostalCode: 20109
Country:    US
</quote>

AOL is the very same provider which Jan Drew #1 used.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

2. The history of Jan Drew
==========================

This new Jan Drew is #3 as Jan Drew #1 was the one with the AOL account.

#1.   jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)
#2.   "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>
#3.   Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>

I looked at the profiles of Jan Drew #1 and Jan Drew #2:

http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=mjG-gxIAAAAcoQ2KLl1VxZeaTlHITt8e
8rhlH0Pnl47z4AZhN98BFg


That is for Jan Drew's old account at AOL.

jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)

<quote> 
Posting-Aktivität

      Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai  Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
1999     -    -  191   99   54  223  289  260  203  359  297  192
2000   109  276  414  249  461  628  384  284  191   60  416  626
2001   534  152  572  297  677  430  715  621  281  278  392  599
2002   788  481  343  390  508  718  666  643  655  874  561  954
2003   621  866  932  646  629  746  539  593  595  500  521  569
2004   459  692  958  716  749  524  694 1045  784 1007 1151  977
2005   480 1143  206    -    -    -    -    5    -    -    -    2 
2006     3    7   10  157    6   13   21    3   21   43    5   24
2007    74   37    -    5    -    5    2    -    1    -    -    -
2008     9    -    -    -   21    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
</quote>

This is for "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>

http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=5J_FIxcAAADGQdj7vwDkkkzclBLHYN6w
hUEdIBtH1-9oWMCTqaiMrA

 
<quote>
Posting-Aktivität

     Jan.  Feb.  Mrz.  Apr.   Mai  Jun.  Jul.  Aug.  Sep. Okt.  Nov.  Dez.
  - ....  ....  ....  ....  ....  ....  ....  ....  ....  ....  ....  ....
2006    -   157  2293  1921  1837  2092  2273  1865  1797  2453  1600  1042  
2007  475   357   406   523   561   490   370   287   326   435   798   552
2008  942  1346   892  1006   579  1076   742   877   451   555   383   424
2009  909   691   585   345   861   835   423

</quote>

As you can see: The old account at AOL still is used, but less often.

Here you can see the activities of Jan Drew #3:

http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=pps3lhMAAABsyTkDyyCDPfvL_gVgZJy1
WMj6vob75xS36mXc24h6ww


------------------------------------------------------------------------

3. Where is Jan Drew?
=====================

In an old posting I found the word "Bloomington", which made me curious. So I
tried to find more about it.

This I now found with the word "bloomington":

http://www.theangelconnection.net/school9.html

<quote>
2433)   Bill Drew, Bloomington, Indiana
2434)   Jan Drew, Bloomington, Indiana
</quote>

I also found this:

<quote>
LookupAnyone.com - People Directory - Jan Drew

Drew, Jan L, 63, Cheyenne, WY.
Drew, Jana Brittain, 45, Wilmington, NC.
Drew, Janelle L, 36, Sublette, IL.
Drew, Janet B, 70, Bloomington, IN ...
***************************************
www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/jan-drew.html

LookupAnyone.com - People Directory - Jan Harper
Harper, Jan L, 84, Loveland, CO. Harper, Jan Drew, 53, Fairview, NC ...
Harper, Jan E, 54, Cincinnati, OH. Harper, Jan, Bloomington, IN ...
www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/jan-harper.html
</quote>

Well, Bloomington turns out to be a town in Indiana.

The WHOIS for the IP of Jan Drew #2 (which actually is Jan Drew #3)

gives for (see above!)

  nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009

this result:

<quote>
IP Information for 70.239.89.125
IP Location:  United States Bloomington AT&T Internet Services
**************************************************************

Resolve Host: adsl-70-239-89-125.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net
*********************************************************
IP Address: 70.239.89.125      
Blacklist Status: Clear
Whois Record
OrgName:    AT&T Internet Services 
OrgID:      SIS-80
Address:    2701 N. Central Expwy # 2205.15
City:       Richardson
StateProv:  TX
PostalCode: 75080
Country:    US
NetRange:   70.224.0.0 - 70.239.255.255 
CIDR:       70.224.0.0/12 
NetName:    SBCIS-SIS80
NetHandle:  NET-70-224-0-0-1
Parent:     NET-70-0-0-0-0
NetType:    Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.AMERITECH.NET
NameServer: NS2.AMERITECH.NET
Comment:    
RegDate:    2005-03-22
Updated:    2007-05-25
OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE6-ARIN
OrgAbuseName:   Abuse - Southwestern Bell Internet 
OrgAbusePhone:  +1-800-648-1626
</quote>

Bloomington, Indiana.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

4. Bloomington, Indiana - what a town...?
=========================================

Searching with

  Jan Drew Blomington

one hit is this:

<quote>
Recently Visited Groups | Help | Sign in
misc.health.alternative

Message from discussion Debbee/Deborah Annie Adams either Put up or Shut
up!--Jan Drew wins the SEA EWE EN TEA Award

View parsed - Show only message text

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From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
******************************************

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-implant
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<e6169a9d-670c-4443-8646-eab425aa66b0@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To:
<e6169a9d-670c-4443-8646-eab425aa66b0@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re:
Debbee/Deborah Annie Adams either Put up or Shut up!--Jan Drew wins the SEA EWE
EN TEA  Award
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 23:46:08 -0400

You, Deborah Annie Adams first wrote:

Jan:

Since it would appear that you always have to be "right,"
it would appear that you can not admit that you invented some stories about me
that are not truthful in nature.

I sent you a "cease and desist" letter from this email address.

I only came back to post (I still get all of the emails from the
group) and make it very perfectly clear that you
have no clue of what you are discussing about me, and those that do, are
laughing at you.

Would you rather be, "right," in your own mind, or look foolish
amongst those that are "in the know."

I'm no longer reading this newsgroup, and came back when yet again, you would
appear to be a few sandwiches short of a full picnic,
and I will not longer tolerate the garbage that is spewing from your toxic
mouth.

Leave my name out of your discussions.  Lose my name from your
vocabulary.

Got it?  I hope so.

And by the way, Annie is a nickname that some people call me because it is part
of my name.

Just because I am no longer posting, does not mean I am no longer
reading.

"BeeStings" <dbeesti...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:5fb276c9-4492-466d-8f55-fbc7afb4a5fb@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

> Jan:

Yes, Debbee?

OrgName:    Netscape Communications Corp.
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StateProv:  CA
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> Since it would appear that you always have to be "right,"

Oh, really?

*would appear*, why don't you just speak up?

> it would appear that you can not admit that you invented some stories about me that are not truthful in nature.

I have nothing to admit, since I did NOT invent any stories about you, Debbee
*****************************************************************************
Adams.
******

> I sent you a "cease and desist" letter from this email address.

NO, you did not.  In fact you sent me an email form SNIFFFTHIS,
and used the name Annie, then signed it B.

> I only came back to post (I still get all of the emails from the group) and make it very perfectly clear that you
> have no clue of what you are discussing about me, and those that do, are laughing at you.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Got it?  I hope so.
> And by the way, Annie is a nickname that some people call me because it is part of my name.

lol.  I thought you said you were not Annie?

> Just because I am no longer posting, does not mean I am no longer reading.

lol.  Poor Debbee:

*I'm no longer reading this newsgroup*.
Get help.

Now, I will in fact post the email you sent me in another post.
And......................
Don't even think about telling me what to do, post, or--otherwise, Debbee. Got
that?

Debbee A Adams do NOT email me again using different names, and a bit of history

From Dbeesti...@aol.com Sat Jun 21 01:21:49 2008
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June 21, 2008

This written to advise you to "cease and desist" from discussing me, and
libeling me any further than you have.  I'm tired of you posting about
untruthful information about me, and Annie is one of my names.

I have proof that my computer was hacked into, and hacked into people connected
to Quackwatch.  All you are doing is making a bigger fool out of yourself than
you already have.  Bob Kulacz, and Tim Bolen have copies of the emails I sent.
The windows portion of my Mac Book was hacked into, and I'm no longer on
Wireless.  I am on dial-up.

You have no idea of what you are talking about.

You falsely accused me of (Bob Kulacz forwarded me the emails) of going to
California to stalk Ilena, that I had joined the gang, and that you didn't trust
me.    This was entire fairy tale that you and Ilena made up, and I'm sorry that
you feel that anyone that doesn't agree with you is a LIAR, but you have
libelled me for the last time.   It will not happen again.  I am no longer
posting there and there is no further need to discuss me.

Ask your attorney to explain what "LIBEL" is.   Calling someone a liar just
because you don't happen to believe them, is libel.

And there are two J. Drew's.  It was even pointed out by another poster in the
group.

Thank you.

Deborah Annie  Adams
--------------------------------------------

OOPs, note is is now J. Drew and not Jan Drew's

Now, let's see what both Myrl Jeffcoat and Coleah Ayres has to say about Debbee

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/8239d7e6a3...

Oct 27, 2007

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
From: Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:52:42 -0000
Local: Sat, Oct 27 2007 10:52 am
Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA

You have contacted my employer which goes outside the bounds of civil behavior
one Usenet. I consider you to be a stalker and abuser.
Therefore, I will no longer respond to you except to post this
message.

YOU ARE HEREBY PLACED ON NOTICE NOT TO ATTEMPT TO CONTACT ME IN THE SLIGHTEST
MANNER. YOU ARE NOT TO CONTACT ANYONE ABOUT ME. TO DO SO WILL JUSTIFY MY TAKING
FURTHER ACTION, WHEN, WHERE AND WHAT AS I SEE FIT.

On Oct 27, 12:16 am, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 26, 4:37 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > For a list of the actual webpages created by Ilena Rosenthal, please visit:
> >http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com/ilenawebpages.html
> > For the Truth and the Facts surrounding Ilena Rosenthal and her foundation, please visit:
> >http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com
> I ran Ilena Rosenthal's name through a bunch of databases.  I also called the DRE.  Ilena Rosenthal has a license through the DRE, as do you, Myrl Jeffcoat.   Have you done anything Myrl  or Ilena that would violate the code  ethics of the licenses you have??  I'm kind of curious to find out if something I read a while back has any truth attached to it.  I have read where  fans of celebrities have started websites using the celebrities names in the website address, and the celebrities have successfully been able to have those websites removed because the fan was using a name other than their own  in the web address, and without permission.

------------------------------------

Follow that thread.  You will see Debbee Adams--Snifffthis has nuked her posts.

However, she evidently cannot nuke her profile.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/948ed26ada...

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
From: Coleah <col...@pacifier.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:56:27 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA

DEBBEE SAID:  "Apparently you have nothing better to do, some of us work for a
living.  Some of us have real lives."

>From the mouth of (2nd from left) blonde:

Debbee A Adams (54)
San Carlos, CA and Milton, WA
http://www.louielouie.net/pix-2007/loufest2007/ep-da-jeff-rfs.jpg

I am very happily RETIRED from working.
But, thank you for your 'unusual concern' about how I spend MY time. You
wouldn't have been 'baiting' to learn who my 'employer' was, so you could
complain about me, were you??????  Chortle, chortle,
chortle.

[Apparently DEBBEE has nothing better to do (while she's 'working' so hard for a
living) than to search the internet looking for some kind of 'dirt' on people.
The best she could do with me was find a
reference to a store I previously owned.]

Is that YOUR 'real life', DEBBEE?
Certainly writing for little known rag called 60's Beat can't be all you do to
pay the rent.

>From a few previous poster's mentioning something about DEBBEE and a

lawsuit....I got the impression DEBBEE had sued Mark Lindsey of Paul Revere and
the Raiders.  Alas it appears was the other way around. Funny how she denied any
knowledge of it however.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/536569d0bf...

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
From: Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:06:53 -0000
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA

On Oct 23, 2:33 pm, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Oct 23, 9:56 am, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> I know nothing of what you are speaking about.
> I'm not the editor of any publication.
> I do not live in Milton, WA or San Carlos, CA
> There goes your credibility, Coleah right down the tube.
> Deb Adams is not even my real name.

So then Debbee - when you contacted corporate GMAC in the last couple of days,
to complain about me, you are saying you lied about your
name???

---------------------------------------
On Oct 23, 4:43 pm, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Oct 23, 3:50 pm, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> It is *not your business*, Miss Busy Body, of *who* I am, *what* I do for a living, and *where* I live.  Nor is *your business* what I am even
> doing here. This is the Usenet, and ANYONE can post here, for any reason.  Got it?  Good.  Mind your own business, and I'll mind mine.

Wow - Debbee is calling people "Miss Busy Body" - and stating it isn't our
business to know *who" she is, *what" she does for a living, or *where* she
lives.  Yet, she sees fit to get into other people's
business, calling their employers, etc. and giving fictious and
defamatory information.

What a piece of work you are Debbee!

I can understand why you would wish to come out from under a rock to do your
business, and then slither right back under again, once you've done your
reptilian handiwork!

You appear to be just another "free speech" hypocrite.

"BeeStings" <dbeesti...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:572e071b-2610-4d60-b4e5-9f45ceae2b93@r37g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

> Jan Drew wrote:

>> lol.  Poor Debbee:

>> *I'm no longer reading this newsgroup*.
>> Get help.

>> Now, I will in fact post the email you sent me in another post. And......................
>> Don't even think about telling me what to do, post, or--otherwise, Debbee.
>> Got that?

> It would appear that you need professional help in dealing with your abusive behavior.
> Just because someone has abused you in the past, or present, does not give you the absolute
> right to abuse others.  Nor does it give you any special privileges to post lies about people you do not even know.

> If you do not know where to turn for professional help; I suggest contacting your doctor and asking for referrals.
> You are the one that needs help, not me.

> I think it would be in your best interest to remove the post you just made.

> Thank you.

It DOES appear, not *would* that YOU Deborah Annie Adams need professional help.
You have NEVER proven a single one of your false accusations.  Nor--have you
proven you KNOW
there are two Jan Drew's posting on any of the same groups *I* Jan Drew post on.

There has been no abusive behavior towards you for me.
Your words:

* Just because someone has abused you in the past, or present, does not

give you the absolute
right to abuse others.*

And, just who would that be?  Where did that come from?
It DOES appear, you do not know what you are posting about

So much for libel.
Now, either put up or shut up!

Create a group - Google Groups - Google Home - Terms of Service - Privacy Policy
©2009 Google
</quote>

Jan Drew in another case of Net stalking, as in unknown other cases before and
later.

What did Jan Drew write?:

<quote>
I have nothing to admit, since I did NOT invent any stories about you, Debbee
*****************************************************************************
Adams.
******
</quote>

That is fine because I did not invent any stories about Jan Drew. I only
followed this figure and archived material...

<quote>
Follow that thread.  You will see Debbee Adams--Snifffthis has nuked her posts.
However, she evidently cannot nuke her profile.
</quote>

Jan Drew does not seem to know what a boomerang is...

------------------------------------------------------------------------

5. Jan Drew in Bloomington, Indiana
===================================

Jan Drew claims to have owned a children day care center. But one of the many
things which Jan Drew refused to ever prove was this. Jan Drew even refused to
prove that he/she is female.

Well, looking for Jan Drew Bloomington reveiled many details.

Like this one:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/janet-drew/9/302/551
<quote>
Janet Drew

Owner, rtired
Bloomington, Indiana Area Research
Current
Owner at rtired
Connections

0 connections
Public Profile
</quote>

And this one:

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri
=L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAwOC8wNi8yNS9uZXdzLnFwLTkxNDQwMjYuc3Rv&start=24

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri=L3N0b3JpZXMvMj
AwOC8wNi8yNS9uZXdzLnFwLTkxNDQwMjYuc3Rv&start=24

<quote>
Janet Drew
Thursday, June 26, 2008: 6:23 pm
More from 'Janet Drew'  God Bless Leon. He is no longer in pain.
My daughter Jacque Nelson brought Hinkles from him.
*************************
I got to know him. He hadn't felt well for some time. Larrry (his son) and wife
Joan took him to their
home in Florida. So happy he was with them when he passed away.
He will never be forgotten by any here in Bloomington who knew and loved him.
*****************************************************

Rest in peace, Leon.
</quote>

And this one:

http://www.complaintsboard.com/bycity/united-states/indiana/bloomington/page/3
<quote>
Complaints in Bloomington, Indiana
==================================

Intelius
Posted: 2008-05-28 by Janet      [send email]

Credit card not credited
Complaint Rating:
Talked with Carmen. All charges were to be credited. Conformation # 12056098.

$4.95 of 5-14-08 has not been credited. Do so immediately.

Janet Drew
Reply to jdrew63929@aol.com...
***************************
</quote>

KABOOM!!!!!!!!!!!
*****************

<quote>
Janet Drew
Reply to jdrew63929@aol.com...
</quote>

In may 2008 Jan Drew of Bloomington, Indiana, used the email address

  jdrew63929@aol.com

That is exactly the very same as Jan Drew #1 used:

http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=mjG-gxIAAAAcoQ2KLl1VxZeaTlHITt8e
8rhlH0Pnl47z4AZhN98BFg


That is for Jan Drew's old account at AOL.

  jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)

------------------------------------------------------------------------

6. The second marriage of Janet Mae Stidd
=========================================

Jan Drew posts as "Jan Drew", but is that really her name? How about Janet or
Janice?

Remember of of the search engine hits above?

<quote>
My daughter Jacque Nelson...
</quote>

Search engines love that... ;O)

And they dig out precious little details ... like this:

http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/Genealogy/DescendantsOfAndrewRichardson.htm

<quote>
318 3 6732 Benjamin David Stidd (DOB: 05/18/1916) [DOD: 02/06/2001]{ M } Father:
--- | 5461 Charles Thomas Stidd (DOB: 12/21/1881) [DOD: 00/00/1957] Mother: 311
| 5460 Lorene Sluss (DOB: 03/16/1885) [DOD: 00/00/1939] Spouse/SO: --- | 16325
Alma Mae Selzer (DOB: 10/22/1916)
SO's father: --- | 16336 Clarence E. Selzer (DOB: abt. 00/00/1890) [DOD:
12/21/1979]
SO's mother: --- | 16337 Erslie Woelflin
Children
319 | 16326 Dr. Benton Maurice Stidd (DOB: 06/30/1936)
324 | 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939)
**********************************************
327 | 16335 Dr. Raymond Edward Stidd (DOB: 01/31/1938)

Born: Monroe Cty., IN

Documentation (birth): + Index to Monroe County, Indiana Birth Records 1882-1920
(re: Book H-8, p 297). Hays shows the year as 1914.

Died: Ellettsville, Richland Twp., Monroe Cty., IN

Buried: Valhalla Memory Gardens, Bloomington, Bloomington Twp., Monroe Cty., IN

Obituary: Benjamin David Stidd, 84
May 18, 1916 - Feb. 6, 2001
ELLETTSVIlLE - Benjamin David Stidd, age 84, of Ellettsville, died Tuesday at
his residence.
He was born May 18, 1916, in Monroe County, the son of Charles and Lorena
(Sluss) Stidd. He was a 1934 graduate of Bloomington High School, and was a
retired contractor and well-known farmer residing in the Bean Blossom bottom
area of Monroe County most of his life. He was active in the Stinesville Parent
Teachers Association and was its president from 1954 to 1956. During World War
II, he was involved in the construction of Camp Atterbury in Columbus, the
Allison Plant in Indianapolis, as well as a similar facility in Evansville, and
finally finished his service at the Crane Naval Station in construction of
military facilities. He was a member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church and
served in several
capacities as deacon and elder. He was married to Alma Mae Selzer of Bloomington
in 1934, and she remains. Other survivors include three children, Dr. Benton M.
Stidd of Liberty Hollow Road, a retired professor from Western Illinois
University, Dr. Raymond E. Stidd of Nashville, a retired Columbus podiatrist,
and a daughter, Janet Drew of Bloomington, retired owner of Happy Day Care
**************************************************************************
Center;
*******
three sisters, Martha Collins and Velma Hall of Bloomington and Jenny Name of
Ellettsville; 11 grandchildren and 17 great-grandchildren. He was preceded in
death by three brothers, Farwell Stidd, Leon Stidd and Lester Stidd, and two
sisters, Louise Richardson and Freda Bain.
Funeral service will be 1 p.m. Friday at Day Mortuary Chapel. Burial will be at
Valhalla Memory Gardens Mausoleum. Friends may call at Day Mortuary from 5-8
p.m. on Thursday. Friends who wish may make memorial
contributions to the scholarship fund of the Stinesville Alumni
Association.

Addresses: Ellettsville, RichlandTwp., Monroe Cty., IN

Military Service: During World War II, he was involved in the construction of
Camp Atterbury in Columbus, the Allison Plant in Indianapolis, as well as a
similar facility in Evansville, and finally finished his service at the Crane
Naval Station in construction of military facilities.

Employment/Professions: Farmer

Education: Bloomington High School (Bloomington, Monroe Cty., IN) *High School*
1934

Religion: Seventh-day Adventists
********************************

Documents:Obituary
Herald-Times (Bloomington, IN), 2/7/2001

Notes: From obituary.

THD 22124
</quote>

and this:

http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/Genealogy/DescendantsOfAndrewRichardson.htm

<quote>
324 4 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939) { F }
***************************************************
Father: 318 | 6732 Benjamin David Stidd (DOB: 05/18/1916) [DOD: 02/06/2001]
Mother: --- | 16325 Alma Mae Selzer (DOB: 10/22/1916)

Spouse/SO: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936)
**********************************************************

SO's father: --- | 16330 Don Nelson
SO's mother: --- | 16331 Anna Bell Jones

Spouse/SO: --- | 16332 James William Drew (DOB: 03/29/1935)
***********************************************************
SO's father: --- | 16333 James F. Drew

SO's mother: --- | 16334 Grace Small
Children
325 | 16767 Jeffery Lynn Nelson (DOB: 11/17/1958)
326 | 16768 Jacque Ann Nelson (DOB: 10/22/1960)
************************************************

Addresses: Bloomington, Monroe Cty., IN As of: 02/07/2001

Notes: From the Stidd/Sluss Family record and her father's obituary. +From Tommy
Hays' notes.

THD 114382
</quote>

All the pieces fit together.

First, marriage with

<quote>
Spouse/SO: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936)
</quote>

which makes the children have the family name Nelson.

The second marriage with

<quote>
Spouse/SO: --- | 16332 James William Drew (DOB: 03/29/1935)
***********************************************************
</quote>

makes Janet Mae Nelson, nee Stidd, Janet Drew of Bloomington, retired owner of
Happy Day Care Center.

The details of that:

http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/p97.html

<quote>
James William "Bill" Drew
**************************
M, #I4836, Born: [private]
Father:: James Franklin Drew, Born: 19 January 1916
Mother:: Grace Lorraine Small, Born: 29 January 1917, Died: 19 January 1995
Birth: 28 March 1935 Washington, Daviess County, Indiana
Family:

Marriage: 1 : Peggy Ann Ramage Married: 24 March 1954, Born: [private]
  Mary Beth Drew, Born: 23 May 1954, Died: 24 May 1954
  William Franklin Drew, Born: 21 August 1957, Died: 30 April 1958
+ Cheryl Ann Drew, Born: [private]
  James David Drew, Born: [private]
  Susan Elaine "Susie" Drew, Born: [private]

Marriage: 2 : Janet Mae Stidd Married: 25 November 1970, Born: [private]
*******************************************************
Last Updated: 05 March 2008
</quote>

http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/p97.html#I4846
<quote>
Janet Mae Stidd
***************
F, #I4846, Born: [private]
Father:: ?
Mother:: ?
Birth: 16 March 1938
Family:

Marriage: 1 : James William "Bill" Drew Married: 25 November 1970, Born:
******************************************************************
[private]
Last Updated: 14 May 2001
</quote>

One more detail:

http://www.lookupanyone.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1&searchform=name
<quote>
Janet M Drew
************
View Details
       70      Bloomington, IN (3)
************************************
Spencer, IN (1)
Lutz, FL (1)                    James Drew
J B Drew
Jan Drew
Bill J Drew
</quote>

"70" is her age, which matches with the other parts in the mosaic.

You remember the memorial?:

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri=L3N0b3JpZXMvMj
AwOC8wNi8yNS9uZXdzLnFwLTkxNDQwMjYuc3Rv&start=24

<quote>
Janet Drew
Thursday, June 26, 2008: 6:23 pm
More from 'Janet Drew'  God Bless Leon. He is no longer in pain.
My daughter Jacque Nelson brought Hinkles from him.
*************************
I got to know him. He hadn't felt well for some time. Larrry (his son) and wife
Joan took him to their
home in Florida. So happy he was with them when he passed away.
He will never be forgotten by any here in Bloomington who knew and loved him.
*****************************************************

Rest in peace, Leon.
</quote>

Well, there is the counterpart:

http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/Genealogy/DescendantsOfAndrewRichardson.htm#16768
<quote>
326 5 16768 Jacque Ann Nelson (DOB: 10/22/1960) { F }
***********************************************

Father: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936)
*******************************************************

Mother: 324 | 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939)
*****************************************************
</quote>

Through all the years since the beginning of the logs of

  jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)

Jan Drew pestered the net:

jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)

<quote> 
Posting-Aktivität

      Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai  Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
1999     -    -  191   99   54  223  289  260  203  359  297  192
2000   109  276  414  249  461  628  384  284  191   60  416  626
2001   534  152  572  297  677  430  715  621  281  278  392  599
2002   788  481  343  390  508  718  666  643  655  874  561  954
2003   621  866  932  646  629  746  539  593  595  500  521  569
2004   459  692  958  716  749  524  694 1045  784 1007 1151  977
2005   480 1143  206    -    -    -    -    5    -    -    -    2 
2006     3    7   10  157    6   13   21    3   21   43    5   24
2007    74   37    -    5    -    5    2    -    1    -    -    -
2008     9    -    -    -   21    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
</quote>

This is for "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>

http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=5J_FIxcAAADGQdj7vwDkkkzclBLHYN6w
hUEdIBtH1-9oWMCTqaiMrA

 
<quote>
Posting-Aktivität

     Jan.  Feb.  Mrz.  Apr.   Mai  Jun.  Jul.  Aug.  Sep. Okt.  Nov.  Dez.
  - ....  ....  ....  ....  ....  ....  ....  ....  ....  ....  ....  ....
2006    -   157  2293  1921  1837  2092  2273  1865  1797  2453  1600  1042  
2007  475   357   406   523   561   490   370   287   326   435   798   552
2008  942  1346   892  1006   579  1076   742   877   451   555   383   424
2009  909   691   585   345   861   835   160
</quote>

Jan Drew gives medical advice, which, if followed, can lead to the death of your
children and of yourself.

Jan Drew lies, Jan Drew forges, Jan Drew seeds hatred, Jan Drew makes MASSIVE
advertising for the naturopathic mafia.

And: Jan Drew abuses the name of god.

TEN YEARS NOW.

And Jan Drew, despite all kind or tough pleas NOT to stalk people, continious
with here crimionakl behavior.

I think that TEN YEARS really is enough time that has been given to her top
stop. And now, there definitely is an end.

Janet Mae Stidd, married to Mr. Drew on 25th, november, 1970, living in
Bloomington, Indiana, do cease and desist your crimes!

In the matter of Jan Drew abusing the name of god another detail shows up: the

  Seventh Day Adventist Church
  301 E Matlock Rd
  Bloomington, IN
  (812) 332-5025

In its gone web-site the have some strong words concerning their being so very
special:

http://web.archive.org/web/20031223034424/bloomingtonsda.org/handbook.htm

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ACA Handbook Excerpts

Purpose

Aims & Objectives

Requirements for Admission

PURPOSE

In a state in which public schools offer excellent educational
opportunities at public expense, a private school should have a special reason
for its existence.  
Adventist Christian Academy , with the unique standards and
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character of the Seventh-day Adventist Church , differs
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sufficiently from the public school to justify its establishment.
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Christian principles, as practiced by Seventh-day Adventists, have first place
in determining the policies of Adventist Christian Academy .

The following quotation defines the Seventh-day Adventist concept of Christian
education: &#8220;True education means more than the pursuit of a certain course
of study.  It means more than a preparation for the life that now is.  It has to
do with the whole being and with the whole period of existence possible to man.
It is the harmonious development of the physical, the mental, and the spiritual
powers.  It prepares the student for the joy of service in this world, and for
the higher joy of wider service in the world to come.&#8221; Education,  p. 13.

Seventh-day Adventists sincerely believe that Christ is coming literally to this
earth to claim His own, but before He comes, the gospel is to be taken into all
the world.  &#8220;With such an army of workers as our youth, rightly trained,
might furnish, how soon the message of a
crucified, risen, and soon-coming Savior might be carried to the whole
world.&#8221; Education,  p. 271.  Adventist Christian Academy begins the
training of its youth in this high responsibility.

Adventist Christian Academy offers grades K through 8 of formal education.
Our school provides a state-approved curriculum and is supervised and
accredited through the Education Department of the Indiana Conference of
Seventh-Day Adventists.

AIMS AND OBJECTIVES

&#8220;And Jesus increased in wisdom¼&#8221;

Skills and Knowledge  -- To teach the value and necessity of the mental habits
of application and concentration.  To provide the acquisition of common skills
and knowledge essential to scholastic progress.  To engender a love of learning
that will be carried throughout their life here in this world and into the world
to come.

&#8220;¼And Stature¼&#8221;

Health and Recreation -- To promote the study and practice of the
principles of health and temperance, in the belief that mental and spiritual
vigor are in a great degree dependent upon physical health, strength and
activity.  To guide students in making good choices regarding recreation and
leisure time.

&#8220;¼And in favor with God¼&#8221;

Relationship to God  -- To instill a knowledge of God and love for Him and for
Jesus Christ

who came into the world to be its Redeemer.  To establish belief and practice in
the essential relational experience of faith and prayer.  To develop respect and
reverence for the Bible as the divine Word of God, including the Ten
Commandments as the rule of guidance for a complete life.

Character -- To present the ideals of true culture and encourage an appreciation
of what is pure, true, noble, right and beautiful.  To develop an inward
fortitude against evil and a sense of personal
responsibility in the application of spiritual, social, moral and physical laws
that should govern individual conduct.

&#8220;¼And with man.&#8221; Luke 2:52

Home and Family -- To awaken an appreciation of home, where love is the
motivating power in the life of every member of the family.

Citizenship -- To inspire love of country, loyalty to country, and respect for
recognized authority.

Service -- To establish in the minds and hearts of the students the Christian
motive of service and concern for others as opposed to the incentive of selfish
rivalry.  To emphasize the value and dignity of labor in the development of
character and in carrying out the responsibilities of life.

REQUIREMENTS FOR ADMISSION

Adventist Christian Academy admits students of any race, color, or ethnic
origin, to all the rights, privileges, programs, and activities generally
accorded or made available to students.  In administration of its
educational policies it does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, or
ethnic origin.

Adventist Christian Academy is operated especially for the youth of the
Seventh-day Adventist faith. It is a privilege, not a right to attend A.C.A.
However, as space permits, a student who is not a member of the Seventh-day
Adventist church may be admitted. It is expected that all students will uphold
the standards of Adventist Christian Academy and will cheerfully endeavor to
live in harmony with the principles of the school.  Parents who, after
consultation with the teacher and the principal, find themselves in disagreement
with the practices or policies of the school may be asked to withdraw their
student.

It is recommended that students not be entered in school before they reach the
age of six years.  Parents of each Kindergarten student must present the
student&#8217;s birth certificate to the school by July 1st.

Students may be required to undergo testing before acceptance or during the
first month of the school year.  If satisfactory achievement scores are on file
at A.C.A., testing may be omitted.  The school reserves the right, after testing
an applicant and counseling with the parents, to change the grade placement to
one more suitable for the student.  The school may not be equipped or
sufficiently staffed to offer continuous remedial help to students with special
needs.

Applicants for admission must submit a standard application blank, properly
filled out, which will be presented to the A.C.A. Board for final approval.

New and returning students should have a G.P.A. of 2.0 (or equivalent) in order
to be considered for admission.  Students with a recent scholastic performance
below 2.0 will be subject to the Scholastic Probation Policy.  Deviation from
this standard may be done only at the discretion of the school board.

Scholastic Probation will be in effect the first nine weeks following
admittance. It will be required that the student improve their G.P.A. to a
current 2.0 or above within the following nine week period.  Continued
monitoring of the student&#8217;s G.P.A. will be evaluated every three weeks for
the next nine weeks.  Failure to meet this standard may result in dismissal.
Re-admittance during the next or subsequent school years will be evaluated on an
individual basis, subject to the previous
year&#8217;s performance.  Also, scholastic performance at any time during the
school year, which falls below 2.0 for any nine-week grading period, will result
in a Scholastic Probation as outlined above.

If at any time during the school year the A.C.A. faculty believes a student
needs professional evaluation, and/or testing for learning, behavioral or
attention disorders, it is the parents&#8217; responsibility to arrange for such
examination and make the results available to A.C.A. faculty in a timely manner
(as determined by the principal). If this requirement is not met, the student
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may be asked to withdraw from school.
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Send mail to webmaster@bloomingtonadventist.org with questions or comments about
this web site.
Last modified: December 18, 2003
</quote>

I do not know if Janet Mae Stidd, married Drew, is part of the "Seventh-day
Adventist Church" of Bloomington, Indiana. But it seems that

<quote>
"the unique standards and
*******************************************************
character of the Seventh-day Adventist Church , differs
*******************************************************
sufficiently from the public school to justify its establishment.
*****************************************************************
</quote>

Perhaps the "Seventh-day Adventist Church" of Bloomington, Indiana, could have
some influence on her. Unless she already

<quote>
may be asked to withdraw from school.
</quote>

You do know it: The bible is a book about war. It is full of blood shedding and
cruelty.

These are words by Jan Drew:

<quote>
Wow - Debbee is calling people "Miss Busy Body" - and stating it isn't our
business to know *who" she is, *what" she does for a living, or *where* she
lives.  Yet, she sees fit to get into other people's
business, calling their employers, etc. and giving fictious and
defamatory information.

What a piece of work you are Debbee!
</quote>

Jan Drew, THAT "piece of work", has no problem with calling employers, whith
making complaints, etc,...

Janet Mae Stidd, "Jan Drew", attacks other persons' families. She never gives
pardon, she never apologizes, not even for the greatest lie or assault.

She has no mercy, she lets children die - consequence of the false advice she
gives.

To follow her medical claims can lead to the death of your children and of
yourself.

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Happy Oyster - 27 Jul 2009 08:41 GMT
>Mercury Fillings Shattered!

Well, better read http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_av1.htm

The number 1 source of information about dental amalgams. ;O)

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¦ Reality Check© ¦ - 28 Jul 2009 08:59 GMT
> News from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
> http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
>
> The Healthfraud / Quackwatch Public Relations teams ... have long
> worked together to continue the profitable dental  myth ...

In recent years evidence of serious toxic effects, for instance 25 studies
of 5821 patients reviewed in "Effects of Amalgam Removal on Health", by Mats
Hanson, plus a later study by Wojcik, Godfrey, Christie, Haley
(2006).[citation needed] The American Dental Association Council on
Scientific Affairs has concluded that both amalgam and composite materials
are considered safe and effective for tooth restoration,[37] and a study has
stated that amalgam fillings pose no personal health risk, and that
replacement by non-amalgam fillings is not indicated.[38] Recent randomized
clinical trials have found no evidence of neurological harm or deleterious
renal effects associated with use of amalgam in children after examining a
period of 5-7 years following treatment.[39] [40] Both these trials were
published in the same issue of the JAMA.
Happy Oyster - 28 Jul 2009 10:58 GMT
>In recent years evidence of serious toxic effects, for instance 25 studies
>of 5821 patients reviewed in "Effects of Amalgam Removal on Health", by Mats
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>period of 5-7 years following treatment.[39] [40] Both these trials were
>published in the same issue of the JAMA.

No source given... Why?

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¦ Reality Check© ¦ - 28 Jul 2009 18:05 GMT
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:59:36 -0600, "¦ Reality Check© ¦"
> <reality@check.it>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> No source given... Why?

Are you retarded?

"Effects of Amalgam Removal on Health", by Mats Hanson
The American Dental Association Council on Scientific Affairs
Published in the same issue of the JAMA
Happy Oyster - 28 Jul 2009 21:57 GMT
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:59:36 -0600, "¦ Reality Check© ¦"
>> <reality@check.it>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>The American Dental Association Council on Scientific Affairs
>Published in the same issue of the JAMA

Making proper quotation signs eases reading.

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