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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / November 2008Treating athletes foot with bicarb, cream of tartar and calcium carbonate
Treating athletes foot with bicarb, cream of tartar and calcium carbonate It has taken me a long time to work out how to get rid of athletes foot. Not that I get it very severely or all that often (martin), it comes and goes but I was looking for a definitive solution using cellsalts but wasn't sure if it was possible, after all, athletes foot is a fungus, right? However, after some experimenting with different single cellsalts, then gradually moving to combinations of cellsalts, I discovered that the right combination of calcium, potassium and sodium (not table salt) can eliminate it. Why would I want to get rid of it using cellsalts rather than apply a topical anti-fungal you ask (well martin would anyway)? Why not? The Biochemic Handbook by Chapman and Perry MD's claims - "Every disease which afflicts the human race is due to a lack of one or more of these inorganic workers. Every pain or unpleasant sensation indicates a lack of some inorganic constituent of the body. Health and strength can be maintained only so long as the system is properly supplied with these call-salts." Athletes foot is a disease and to test the theory, I had to find the solution using cellsalts rather than topical use of fungicidal ointment. The starting point for treating athletes foot with cellsalts is to eliminate calcium deficiency which most people are deficient to a greater or lesser extent. So calcium carbonate from the chemist is good, the dose depends on how great the deficiency. I find that a good indicator of calcium deficiency is tooth sensitivity and/or gum disease while acknowledging that there would be quite a bit of variation from person to person in need for calcium and how deficiencies show up. After correcting any calcium deficiency which would take from 1gram (RDA) to maybe 5grams for extreme deficiency of elemental calcium, then take the bicarb and cream of soda. I find that 1/3 tspn of bicarbonate of soda (sodium) and 1/3 tspn of cream of tartar in a (potassium) is about right and taken with a little water, and it will fizz up like fruit saline. This appears to be the recipe for fruit saline but with a little citric and/or tartaric acid added for flavour. The superiority of treating with cellsalts rather than anti-fungal ointments is it is a whole of body approach. carole www.cellsalts.net > I find that 1/3 tspn of bicarbonate of soda (sodium) and 1/3 tspn of cream > of tartar in a (potassium) is about right and taken with a little water, and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > carolewww.cellsalts.net At least there no XXX dilution going on here. I'd surprised if it worked to cure athlete's foot or toenail fungus. But what do I know? How are they suggesting this be taken? By enema, by mouth, or topically? > I'd surprised if it worked to cure athlete's foot or > toenail fungus. But what do I know? Well, you know that the RDA for potassium is 3000 mg, so you can judge what the effect of "1/3 tspn of bicarbonate of soda (sodium) and 1/3 tspn of cream of tartar in a (potassium)" will be on any deficiencies. As for sodium deficiencies ... | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | | chance that someone will see the light. | +- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+ >> I'd surprised if it worked to cure athlete's foot or >> toenail fungus. But what do I know? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > As for sodium deficiencies ... Hi D.C., I'm curious to know where you found the 3,000 RDA. I have a diet program that was set at about 4,700 mg and I has tearing my hair out trying to balance the potassium, protein and vitamin A, with little sucess. Finally I did some I'net searches and found several sources indicating that NO limit has been set. Finally, I found one that claimed 3,500 was a good figure and I set my prog to that. Phew! that eased my problems greatly. >>> I'd surprised if it worked to cure athlete's foot or >>> toenail fungus. But what do I know? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > was a good figure and I set my prog to that. Phew! > that eased my problems greatly. I have here in my had a bottle of potassium gluconate. It lists a 90 mg tablet as being 3% of the RDA. Close enough for me. I *do* have a chronic potassium deficiency, which I discovered a few years ago from the classic symptom of aching legs at night. A slug of the gluconate solved that, but is hideously expensive -- so I took to using Morton's "Lite Salt," which is a near-equal blend of sodium and potassium chlorides. Works like a champ and is dirt cheap. | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | | chance that someone will see the light. | +- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+ >> I'd surprised if it worked to cure athlete's foot or >> toenail fungus. But what do I know? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of soda (sodium) and 1/3 tspn of cream of tartar in a (potassium)" > will be on any deficiencies. The RDA maintenance level for calcium is about 1000 - 1500mg per day for an adult. Calcium is the highest need macromineral, followed by potassium, so 3000mg sounds a bit high to me. But how can you judge how much potassium is in 1/3 tspn of cream of tartar? I can do some calculation though because I used to take a certain discontinued brand of chelated potassium tablets, each one contained 495mg of potassium and they were the strongest you could buy. A bottle of these tablets used to last me approximately a week. Now I find that a small 125gram container of cream of tartar lasts about a week or so - so it is a fantastic source of potassium, and its so cheap and easy to find in the cooking section in the supermarket. > As for sodium deficiencies ... Keep going. Table salt doesn't work for any sodium cellsalt deficiencies. I've tried it. carole www.cellsalts.net "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink" "An ounce of prevention beats a pound of cure" "The chance of a piece of buttered bread landing face down on the floor is inversely proportional to the cost of the carpet." "A stitch in time saves nine" "The early bird gets the worm" > | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | > | chance that someone will see the light. | > +- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+ >>> I'd surprised if it worked to cure athlete's foot or >>> toenail fungus. But what do I know? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Calcium is the highest need macromineral, followed by potassium, so 3000mg > sounds a bit high to me. http://www.nutrientfacts.com/AlmanacPages/Potassium_Recommended_Daily_Allowance_ RDA.htm > But how can you judge how much potassium is in 1/3 tspn of cream of > tartar? I can do some calculation though because I used to take a certain > discontinued brand of chelated potassium tablets, each one contained 495mg > of potassium and they were the strongest you could buy. A bottle of these > tablets used to last me approximately a week. You can weigh that 1/3 tsp. It should be just about one gram. One gram of cream of tartar contains a bit more than 200 mg of potassium. > Now I find that a small 125gram container of cream of tartar lasts about a > week or so - so it is a fantastic source of potassium, and its so cheap > and easy to find in the cooking section in the supermarket. And I can buy 20 kg of potassium chloride at Costco for less than $10, or have it mixed with sodium chloride for table use at less than a quarter of the price of cream of tartar per gram of potassium. | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | | chance that someone will see the light. | +- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+ : But how can you judge how much potassium is in 1/3 tspn of cream of tartar? You can learn some chemistry and discover that it's actually quite a simple calculation. Or is that too straightforward a method? ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad." On Nov 23, 2:24 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I find that 1/3 tspn of bicarbonate of soda (sodium) and 1/3 tspn of cream > > of tartar in a (potassium) is about right and taken with a little water, and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I'd surprised if it worked to cure athlete's foot or > toenail fungus. But what do I know? You know what *does* kill toenail fungus? Vic's Vaporub. I learned this from my mother, and was highly skeptical about the treatment, but it does work. All you have to do is apply a liberal application to the toe (covering the nail and surrounding skin) at bedtime. Then put a clean sock on your foot. Wash it off when you shower in the morning (assuming you do). Repeat nightly for about a month. In ~three weeks, you'll begin to see healthy nail growth. I'm not usually big on homeopathy, but I tried this several years ago and now have a completely healthy nail. > You know what does kill toenail fungus? Vic's Vaporub. I learned > this from my mother, and was highly skeptical about the treatment, but [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'm not usually big on homeopathy, but I tried this several years ago > and now have a completely healthy nail. That may be in part due to the fact that this modality has absolutely bupkis to do with homeopathy. | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | | chance that someone will see the light. | +- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+ > > You know what does kill toenail fungus? Vic's Vaporub. I learned > > this from my mother, and was highly skeptical about the treatment, but [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > That may be in part due to the fact that this modality has absolutely > bupkis to do with homeopathy. Oh. I thought homeopathy included unconventional home remedies of any kind, so your post prompted me to look up the definition of the word. I had assumed (wrongly) that homeopathy involved using natural ingredients such as herbs, roots, etc., which, imo, do sometimes have a degree of medicinal value. I just discovered how ignorant I really am on the topic. The theories behind homeopathy seem truly mind-boggling (from the perspective of having read only a little about it). I may have misunderstood what I read, but are they actually claiming the *MORE DILUTE* a particular solution is, the more *POWERFUL* it is as a "remedy"? Puzzled beyond belief. > I just discovered how ignorant I really am on the topic. The theories > behind homeopathy seem truly mind-boggling (from the perspective of > having read only a little about it). That's to be expected. Once you read more about it, you'll find that it's much, much more bogglesome. > I may have misunderstood what I read, but are they actually claiming > the *MORE DILUTE* a particular solution is, the more POWERFUL it is > as a "remedy"? Keep in mind, the idea is that "like cures like." So if you want to cure diarrhea, you give someone a laxative. The less laxative you give them, the better the symptoms get. At some point you get to where the laxative has no discernable effect, and then you extrapolate. | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | | chance that someone will see the light. | +- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+ >>> You know what does kill toenail fungus? Vic's Vaporub. I learned >>> this from my mother, and was highly skeptical about the treatment, but [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> That may be in part due to the fact that this modality has absolutely >> bupkis to do with homeopathy. "> Oh. I thought homeopathy included unconventional home remedies of any > kind, so your post prompted me to look up the definition of the word." Absolutely not. Homeopathy involves taking tiny doses of chemicals that have been diluted to the point that there is little or nothing of the original chemical left. The chemical is matched to each medical problem. Here is a good explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy >> I find that 1/3 tspn of bicarbonate of soda (sodium) and 1/3 tspn of cream >> of tartar in a (potassium) is about right and taken with a little water, and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > How are they suggesting this be taken? By enema, by mouth, or > topically? I tried Carole's program for a couple of months and it did nothing. I have it only on my big toenails and I am now testing a copper cover for the nail. It is supposed to be toxic to fungii. I hope it doesn't miss them and get me :-) > I tried Carole's program for a couple of months > and it did nothing. I have [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I hope it doesn't miss them and get me :-) Copper salts are toxic to fungi, but then they're toxic to humans too. The challenge is to get them to the fungus without soaking your system in them. A metallic copper cover? It's not magic, you know. | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | | chance that someone will see the light. | +- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+ >>> I find that 1/3 tspn of bicarbonate of soda (sodium) and 1/3 tspn of >>> cream [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > nail. > It is supposed to be toxic to fungii. What did you try? How much of what did you take and how often? The amount of calcium, potassium and sodium has to be in the right proportion and the right amount. carole www.cellsalts.net > I hope it doesn't miss them and get me :-) >Treating athletes foot with bicarb, cream of tartar and calcium carbonate > >It has taken me a long time to work out how to get rid of athletes foot. >Not that I get it very severely or all that often (martin), it comes and >goes but I was looking for a definitive solution using cellsalts but wasn't >sure if it was possible, after all, athletes foot is a fungus, right? Funny, it took me about 5 minutes. And it didn't come and go, it went away in one go and never ever came back. Not even once. >> Treating athletes foot with bicarb, cream of tartar and calcium carbonate >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Funny, it took me about 5 minutes. And it didn't come and go, it went > away in one go and never ever came back. Not even once. That was probably a temporary visit from a fungus family. They often visit people to check if there is suitable accomodations for a nice home. In your case it appears it decided to go elsewhere. I hope you weren't too disappointed :-) >>Treating athletes foot with bicarb, cream of tartar and calcium carbonate >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Funny, it took me about 5 minutes. And it didn't come and go, it went > away in one go and never ever came back. Not even once. Why don't you get stuffed Martin. I'm not talking about bloody fungicides you moron. I'm talking about getting rid of athletes foot using mineral supplements TAKEN ORALLY. I don't care if you got rid of your athletes foot in one minute - its beside the point. You stick to your 15 showers a day and washing every article of clothing after 1 wear, and throwing your towel in the wash basket after 1 use and I'll stick to my system which does more than just get rid of athletes foot - its gets rid of every complaint if you know the right cellsalts to take for the condition and the right amount. Yes, I know there are pharmaceutical treatments for everything, and pharmaceutical solutions for the side effects too. Just go and take a shower and don't forget to change your underwear and towel and disinfect the shower afterwards. carole www.cellsalts.net > >>Treating athletes foot with bicarb, cream of tartar and calcium carbonate > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > carolewww.cellsalts.net Are you saying you don't change your underwear after 1 use? Carole" <hubbca@iimetro.com.au> wrote in message news:eGWWk.934$Et1.787@news-server.bigpond.net.au... >> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:37:02 GMT, "Carole" <hubbca@iimetro.com.au> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > carole > www.cellsalts.net >Carole" <hubbca@iimetro.com.au> wrote in message >news:eGWWk.934$Et1.787@news-server.bigpond.net.au... [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> I don't care if you got rid of your athletes foot in one minute - its >> beside the point. Amazing. Carole has never actually gotten rid of it, but the fact that whatever I did worked in one minute but her precious cellsalts don't do squat even after many years is besides the point! >> You stick to your 15 showers a day Ah, strawman time. I shower twice a day at most. > > and washing every article of clothing after 1 wear, That'll be only my socks and underwear. You do at least change your underwear every day Carole? >> and throwing your towel in the wash basket after 1 use I use my towel more often than that. After all, after taking a shower, I'm clean. >> and I'll stick to my system which does more than just get rid of athletes >> foot - Carole, it did not get rid of your athletes foot, that's the whole point. If it had, it would not have come back. Just like my case, where I treated it once and it never ever came back. >> its gets rid of every complaint if you know the right cellsalts to take >> for the condition and the right amount. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> Just go and take a shower and don't forget to change your underwear and >> towel and disinfect the shower afterwards. I don't 'disinfect' my shower, I clean it once a week. You do clean your shower at least once a week don't you? Or don't you even have a shower? >> carole >> www.cellsalts.net > I don't 'disinfect' my shower, I clean it once a week. You do clean > your shower at least once a week don't you? Or don't you even have a > shower? Why clean what you don't use? Sort of like the showers at our prefab Patrol stations: they're used for storage. | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | | chance that someone will see the light. | +- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+ >>Carole" <hubbca@iimetro.com.au> wrote in message >>news:eGWWk.934$Et1.787@news-server.bigpond.net.au... [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > whatever I did worked in one minute but her precious cellsalts don't > do squat even after many years is besides the point! Go and take another shower, I've heard if you take 10+ showers a day it stops you from getting cancer. >>> You stick to your 15 showers a day > > Ah, strawman time. > I shower twice a day at most. No, you've got to take 10 showers a day Martin and a complete change of clothing each time. And soak all your clothes in disinfectant for a few hours. >> > and washing every article of clothing after 1 wear, > > That'll be only my socks and underwear. You do at least change your > underwear every day Carole? That's a bit personal, isn't it? >>> and throwing your towel in the wash basket after 1 use > > I use my towel more often than that. After all, after taking a shower, > I'm clean. Yes, but some people like to wipe their arse on the towel. If your theory was correct it would be ok for everybody to use each other's towels which obviously is a no-no. So looks like its back to the drawing board for you, old sock! >>> and I'll stick to my system which does more than just get rid of >>> athletes [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > point. If it had, it would not have come back. Just like my case, > where I treated it once and it never ever came back. Oh, are you stupid. How many times do I need to explain myself? Try and keep up this time. The athletes foot is a symptom which arises PERIODICALLY, from time to time and an indication that my system is out of balance. If I merely kill the fungi using a fungicide, it doesn't get to the cause of the problem. This is in line with bechamp's soil theory which says that "the germs [microbes, parasites (some - not sure about all) and fungi] are nothing the internal milieu is everything". People go through years of suppressing this sort of condition and then when they get something really wrong with them they don't see the cause and effect. You have to treat the cause. Symptoms are a cause. If you use fungicide it is suppression of symptoms. >>> its gets rid of every complaint if you know the right cellsalts to take >>> for the condition and the right amount. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > your shower at least once a week don't you? Or don't you even have a > shower? Martin, what's the point of merely disinfecting your shower once a week? You need to disinfect it after each person uses it to avoid cross contamination - make sense? carole www.cellsalts.net >>>Carole" <hubbca@iimetro.com.au> wrote in message >>>news:eGWWk.934$Et1.787@news-server.bigpond.net.au... [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >Go and take another shower, I've heard if you take 10+ showers a day it >stops you from getting cancer. I didn't hear that. I'll stick with 2 times a day max, thank you. >>>> You stick to your 15 showers a day >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >clothing each time. >And soak all your clothes in disinfectant for a few hours. For what? >>> > and washing every article of clothing after 1 wear, >> >> That'll be only my socks and underwear. You do at least change your >> underwear every day Carole? > >That's a bit personal, isn't it? So I take the answer is no. I knew already you have a personal hygiene problem. Most psychiatric cases do. >>>> and throwing your towel in the wash basket after 1 use >> >> I use my towel more often than that. After all, after taking a shower, >> I'm clean. > >Yes, but some people like to wipe their arse on the towel. I clean that region too. You should try it some time. >If your theory was correct it would be ok for everybody to use each other's >towels which obviously is a no-no. >So looks like its back to the drawing board for you, old sock! I see humour is not your cup of tea. >>>> and I'll stick to my system which does more than just get rid of >>>> athletes [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >and an indication that my system is out of balance. If I merely kill the >fungi using a fungicide, it doesn't get to the cause of the problem. I did that, and it went away and never came back. Seems to me pretty conclusive evidence I got rid of the root of the problem. >This is in line with bechamp's soil theory which says that "the germs >[microbes, parasites (some - not sure about all) and fungi] are nothing the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >effect. You have to treat the cause. Symptoms are a cause. If you use >fungicide it is suppression of symptoms. Then please explain why it worked for me. And why it works for so many other people around the world. >>>> its gets rid of every complaint if you know the right cellsalts to take >>>> for the condition and the right amount. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >You need to disinfect it after each person uses it to avoid cross >contamination - make sense? How many people use the shower in your house? Oh, I get it! You live in one of those projects for psychiatric patients who are not bad enough to institutionalize and not good enough to live on their own and you have to share your shower with a whole group of people! Well Carole, I don't. >carole >www.cellsalts.net > >>>Carole" <hub...@iimetro.com.au> wrote in message > >>>news:eGWWk.934$Et1.787@news-server.bigpond.net.au... [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > So I take the answer is no. I knew already you have a personal hygiene > problem. Most psychiatric cases do. <snip> > How many people use the shower in your house? Oh, I get it! You live > in one of those projects for psychiatric patients who are not bad > enough to institutionalize and not good enough to live on their own > and you have to share your shower with a whole group of people! Well > Carole, I don't. What the hell is with you and being nasty to people who have psychiatric problems (you hit my post earlier, so I have a right to ask)? Did you know that ~26% of the U.S. population has some form of mental illness? And we're not all drooling slobs with personal hygiene problems, either. Posts like yours do nothing but contribute to the undeserved stigma associated with mental illness. Can you please stick with your usual personal attacks and general ad homs, and leave the stereotypes out of it? > > >>>Carole" <hub...@iimetro.com.au> wrote in message > > >>>news:eGWWk.934$Et1.787@news-server.bigpond.net.au... [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > mental illness? And we're not all drooling slobs with personal hygiene > problems, either. Martin is a prejudiced a.shole. Don't give his comments any more consideration than he gives them before posting. > Posts like yours do nothing but contribute to the undeserved stigma > associated with mental illness. Can you please stick with your usual > personal attacks and general ad homs, and leave the stereotypes out of > it?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - :> carolewww.cellsalts.net : Are you saying you don't change your underwear after 1 use? A friend of mine once told me of a French (naturally) exchange student he knew in college who was reported to have said that she preferred black underwear because you didn't have to change it as often. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience" > In article > <ede82573-5df8-4c66-898b-39c39ad9010b@w35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > he knew in college who was reported to have said that she preferred black > underwear because you didn't have to change it as often. And we always thought the french wore black to be sexy. carole www.cellsalts.net > ----- > Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il > Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel > Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University > ----- > "an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience" >> In article >> <ede82573-5df8-4c66-898b-39c39ad9010b@w35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >carole >www.cellsalts.net Ithink there is some truth to the joke that the best place to hide your money in France is under the soap. Nobody is going to pick it up. > I'm talking about getting rid of athletes foot using mineral supplements > TAKEN ORALLY. Except according to your own account, your method isn't reliable. > I don't care if you got rid of your athletes foot in one minute - its > beside the point. Hmmm. His method works, and he hasn't had a recurrence in decades. Yours results in frequent recurrences. > You stick to your 15 showers a day and washing every article of clothing > after 1 wear, and throwing your towel in the wash basket after 1 use and Keep cranking up the rhetoric, Carole. His description (and mine) is daily showers, or two if one gets particularly dirty or sweaty. Towel changes as needed; mine get used on alternate days and changed about every other week. More often if I'm feeling self-indulgent and want a freshly sun-dried towel. The fact that you have to misrepresent others' statements is rather telling. > I'll stick to my system which does more than just get rid of athletes foot > - its gets rid of every complaint if you know the right cellsalts to take > for the condition and the right amount. Except that your "cure" for lice has you repeatedly "treating" them, your "cure" for athletes' foot has you repeatedly "treating" it, and so forth. Meanwhile, the rest of us haven't had either for decades based on nothing more than basic hygiene. No wonder you have a problem with smelling like decaying fecal matter. > Yes, I know there are pharmaceutical treatments for everything, and > pharmaceutical solutions for the side effects too. Wash water is now "pharmaceutical." I'll make a note of that. > Just go and take a shower and don't forget to change your underwear and > towel and disinfect the shower afterwards. Compared to not showering, not changing one's underwear, and never cleaning the bathroom? Ewwwwwwwwwww. | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | | chance that someone will see the light. | +- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+ |
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