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Kirby Backtracks: Thimerosal did not cause autism

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Mark Probert - 29 Oct 2008 10:53 GMT
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David Kirby, a journalist and author of "Evidence of Harm: Mercury in
Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic: A Medical Controversy," said he
believed that thimerosal, which still exists in trace amounts in some
childhood vaccines, was no longer the "smoking gun." Several national
studies have found no connection, and a California study found that,
even after thimerosal was removed from vaccines, diagnoses of autism
continued to rise.

Just look at the harm this scientific illiterate caused.
drceephd@insightbb.com - 29 Oct 2008 15:43 GMT
> www.nj.com/starledger/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-1/122516804480080....
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> Just look at the harm this scientific illiterate caused.

Uhh, Pervert,
The FTC rules allow the pharaceutical industry to add the thimerosal
in the manufacturing process, then claim it is not there, and there is
no requirement to report it.  The FDA concurrs with this action.   If
the thimerosal is added as a final ingredient, then the presence of
thimerosal must be listed.

Just another medical con.  Just another way to coverup the lethality
of mercury and aluminum found in the vaccines.

DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus and poisons.
D. C. Sessions - 29 Oct 2008 16:10 GMT
> The FTC rules allow the pharaceutical industry to add the thimerosal
> in the manufacturing process, then claim it is not there, and there is
> no requirement to report it.  The FDA concurrs with this action.   If
> the thimerosal is added as a final ingredient, then the presence of
> thimerosal must be listed.

So you're supposed to be a Sierra Hotel chemist.  Nothing stops
you from scoring a dose of any of several pediatric vaccines and
running a trivial quantitative assay.

Of course, if all of your lab equipment is on Mars then there's
nothing to stop any of the other Mercury Militia (who certainly
have more than adequate money, as evidenced by what they spend)
doing so.  Boyd Haley, to name one, has access to the University's
mass spectrometer and other extremely sensitive tools.

So that raises the question: if you all have the ability to
nail down the precise amounts of thimerosal in current vaccines,
why don't you do so instead of all this hand waving?

| The brighter the stupid burns, the more |
| chance that someone will see the light. |
+- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+
Jan Drew - 31 Oct 2008 23:07 GMT
> Nothing stops you  

Is not the subject.
Allergy Doctor - 29 Oct 2008 16:41 GMT
> www.nj.com/starledger/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-1/122516804480080....
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> Just look at the harm this scientific illiterate caused.
Allergy Doctor - 29 Oct 2008 16:49 GMT
Perhaps David Kirby never actually worked with an Autistic child who
was perfectly normal
prior to receiving a vaccination. And yes SOME vaccines removed
mercury as a preservative
but they replaced it with an equally if not more toxic substance
called Aluminum Hydroxide.

After I performed Allergy Relief Treatments to counter the negative
effects of both mercury and
aluminum poisoning on a couple of autistic boys their speech and
vocabulary skills improved
dramatically as did their social behavior patterns. But the most
dramatic improvements came
after we did a treatment for the FOXP2 gene.

Regards - Dr. Ted Edwards DC
Mark Probert - 29 Oct 2008 22:48 GMT
> Perhaps David Kirby never actually worked with an Autistic child who
> was perfectly normal
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>
> Regards - Dr. Ted Edwards DC

Yawn.....
Mark Probert - 29 Oct 2008 22:50 GMT
> Perhaps David Kirby never actually worked with an Autistic child who
> was perfectly normal
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>
> Regards - Dr. Ted Edwards DC

BWHAHAHAHHAHA!

You do not have a clue. Not one.

I'll help you. let's get started. Explain the function of the two
compounds.
Jan Drew - 31 Oct 2008 23:14 GMT
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/2/213632.shtml

A new study shows that autism may be linked after all
to the use of mercury in childhood vaccines, despite
government's previous claims to the contrary.

An article in the March 10, 2006, issue of the Journal
of American Physicians and Surgeons shows that since
mercury was removed from childhood vaccines, the
alarming increase in reported rates of autism and
other neurological disorders (NDs) in children not
only stopped, but actually dropped sharply - by as
much as 35 percent.

Using the government's own databases, independent
researchers analyzed reports of childhood NDs,
including autism, before and after removal of
mercury-based preservatives. Authors David A. Geier,
B.A. and Mark R. Geier, M.D., Ph.D. analyze data from
the CDC's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System
(VAERS) and the California Department of Developmental
Services (CDDS) in "Early Downward Trends in
Neurodevelopmental Disorders Following Removal of
Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines."

The numbers from California show that reported autism
rates hit a high of 800 in May 2003. If that trend had
continued, the reports would have skyrocketed to more
than 1000 by the beginning of 2006. But in fact, the
Geiers report that the number actually went down to
only 620, a real decrease of 22 percent, and a
decrease from the projections of 35 percent.

This analysis directly contradicts 2004
recommendations of the Institute of Medicine which
examined vaccine safety data from the National
Immunization Program (NIP) of the CDC. While not
willing to either rule out or to corroborate a
relationship between mercury and autism, the IOM
soft-pedaled its findings, and decided no more studies
were needed. The authors write: "The IOM stated that
the evidence favored rejection of a causal
relationship between thimerosal and autism, that such
a relationship was not biologically plausible, and
that no further studies should be conducted to
evaluate it."

As more and more vaccines were added to the mandatory
schedule of vaccines for children, the dose of the
mercury-based preservative thimerosal rose, so that
the cumulative dose injected into babies exceeded the
toxic threshold set by many government agencies.
Mercury is known to damage nerve cells in very low
concentrations.

The concern about vaccines may actually be underrated,
as it is generally acknowledged that the voluntary
reporting of such disorders has resulted in vast
underreporting of new cases. For example, the Iowa
state legislature banned thimerosal from all vaccines
administered there after it documented a 700-fold
increase in that state alone. California followed
suit, and 32 states are considering doing so.

Up until about 1989 preschool children got only 3
vaccines (polio, DPT, MMR). By 1999 the CDC
recommended a total of 22 vaccines to be given before
children reach the 1st grade, including Hepatitis B,
which is given to newborns within the first 24 hours
of birth. Many of these vaccines contained mercury. In
the 1990s approximately 40 million children were
injected with mercury-containing vaccines.

The cumulative amount of mercury being given to
children in this number of vaccines would be an amount
187 times the EPA daily exposure limit.

The Geiers conclude that mercury continues to be a
concern, as it is still added to some of the most
commonly-used vaccines, such as those for flu.

Despite its removal from many childhood vaccines, thimerosal is still
routinely added to some formulations of influenza vaccine administered to
U.S. infants, as well as to several other vaccines (e.g. tetanus-diphtheria
and monovalent tetanus) administered to older children and adults. In 2004,
the Institute of Medicine (IOM) of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences
(NAS) retreated from the stated 1999 goal of the AAP and the PHS to remove
thimerosal from U.S. vaccines as soon as possible.As a result, assessing the
safety of TCVs [thimerosal-containing vaccines] is a matter of significant
importance."
Editor's Note: The new study confirms claims made by Dr. Russell Blaylock in
the Blaylock Wellness Report that childhood vaccines that contain
thimerosal, a mercury based preservative, could cause serious harm to
children, including autism. Dr. Blaylock has also warned that vaccines for
adults, such as the flu shot, pose dangers.
D. C. Sessions - 30 Oct 2008 03:55 GMT
> Perhaps David Kirby never actually worked with an Autistic child who
> was perfectly normal
> prior to receiving a vaccination. And yes SOME vaccines removed
> mercury as a preservative
> but they replaced it with an equally if not more toxic substance
> called Aluminum Hydroxide.

Can't be -- we've been VERY reliably assured by the Earth's greatest
expert on vaccines (Jenny McCarthy) that mercury is the most toxic
non-radioactive substance on Earth.

Which is a good thing, considering how common aluminum salts are.
They may even have been present in vaccines before the thimerosal
was removed.  Perhaps you could tell us how much aluminum was in,
for instance, OPV or the IPV in 2001.

| The brighter the stupid burns, the more |
| chance that someone will see the light. |
+- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+
Jan Drew - 31 Oct 2008 23:04 GMT
Children with mitochondrial disorders -- mitochondria are structures that
serve as centers of enzyme activity needed to power cells -- might be at
particular risk, he said. He cited the case of Hannah Polling, a child with
such a disorder who then received nine vaccines in one day. She was
subsequently diagnosed with autism.

Kirby said environmental factors also were probably involved, pointing to
New Jersey's high rate of autism, one in 94 children compared to one in 150
nationwide.

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Mark also criticizes those who get articles for *newspapers*.

FACT: Thimerosal can and does cause autism.
 
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