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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / October 2008Old Blood and Death
One might wonder if these people manifested all the symptoms of Aids or Hepatitis before they died due to the oxidation / hemolysis OF this 'new' blood. ----------------- Age of transfused blood: an independent predictor of mortality despite universal leukoreduction. Weinberg JA, McGwin G, Griffin RL, Huynh VQ, Cherry SA, Marques MB, Reiff DA, Kerby JD, Rue LW J Trauma 2008 Aug; 65(2):279-82; discussion 282-4. BACKGROUND: The transfusion of relatively older stored blood has been associated with an increased risk of multiple organ failure, infection, and death. It remains unknown whether this phenomenon is mitigated by transfusion of leukoreduced red cell units. The purpose of this study was to evaluate the influence of stored blood age on mortality in injured patients who universally received leukoreduced blood. METHODS: Trauma patients who received > or = 1 unit of blood during the first 24 hours after hospital arrival were selected for inclusion. Patients were stratified both according to total units and "old" units (> or = 14 days) versus "young" units (< 14 days) received in the initial 24 hours. Odds ratios and 95% confidence intervals (CIs) were calculated for the association between mortality and the age and amount of blood transfused, adjusted for age, sex, injury severity, injury mechanism, number of units transfused, and length of stay. RESULTS: Over 7.5 years, 1,813 patients met study criteria. Among patients who received a total of 1 to 2 or 3 to 5 units in the first 24 hours, there was no association between the amount and age of transfused blood and mortality. For patients who received a total of > or = 6 units, the presence of > or = 3 units of young blood was associated with a 3.8-fold increased odds of death (CI: 1.1-12.7), compared with a 7.8-fold (CI: 2.3-26.3) increased odds of death associated with the presence of > or = 3 units of old blood (p = 0.0024). CONCLUSION: Although larger volumes of blood, irrespective of age, are associated with increased odds of mortality, the transfusion of blood stored beyond 2 weeks appears to potentiate this association despite a practice of universal leukoreduction. For patients who receive relatively smaller transfusion volumes, blood age appears to have no effect on mortality. The Journal of trauma [J Trauma] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > One might wonder if these people manifested all the symptoms of Aids > or Hepatitis before they died due to the oxidation / hemolysis OF this > 'new' blood. You might wonder. You'd be in a very small minority You might wonder. You'd be in a very small minority << Ain't that .. the .. truth .. "Multiple organ failure, infection, and death" Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk On Oct 9, 9:06 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: You might wonder. You'd be in a very small minority << Ain't that .. the .. truth .. "Multiple organ failure, infection, and death" ____________________________________________ Tommy, by your own admission you have absolutely no personal experience of anything medical. Those of us who do see your theories disproved on a daily basis. What you propose seems like a plausible idea, but simply doesn't fit the established facts on so many levels. But then again, by your own admission, you have no education on anything medical. Your posts here and elsewhere achieve absolutely nothing. The medical professionals who you simultaneously quote and despise can see the flaws in your logic and do not take you seriously (despite giving you so many chances). Those who are ill soon learn to treat your posts with contempt when they see your style of "discussion". Get a hobby - your life would be so much more constructively employed. That's your cue to drop the vowels and bring on the dots. On Oct 9, 9:27 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: snip << You know buddy .. I don't know really who you are .. but it seems you are in the medical profession due to your evident stupidity .. But .. you should really look deep into yourself and see exactly HOW you attack people and how ADEPT you are .. at .. it .. It takes a pretty disturbed mind to use your tactics .. Look into it you slovenly drunken useless childkilling .. stupid .. mthrfkr . Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Look into it you slovenly drunken useless childkilling .. stupid .. mthrfkr . Nice dropping of vowels, but insufficient use of dots. 7/10. Could do better. On Oct 9, 8:55 am, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote: One might wonder if these people manifested all the symptoms of Aids << "Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS)" "Disclosed is an agent for preventing and/or treating multiple organ failure. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP0914829.html Development from burn, disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC), circulatory failure, hemorrhagic shock, infectious disease, acute pancreatitis, ischemic disorder, hepatorenal syndrome, gastrointestinal hemorrhage, nutritional metabolic failure, terminal cancer, acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS), deterioration of systemic conditions due to radiation affection and cachexia etc. to multiple organ failure can be prevented or treated by the present invention. " --------------- One can assume the other two symptoms of "infection and death" .. are pretty much a .. given .. as to their association with .. Aids .. ? Soooo .. "multiple organ failure , infection and death" .. Looks like .. Aids .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > or Hepatitis before they died due to the oxidation / hemolysis OF this > 'new' blood. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk "One might wonder if these people manifested all the symptoms of Aids or Hepatitis before they died due to the oxidation / hemolysis OF this 'new' blood. ----------------- Age of transfused blood: an independent predictor of mortality despite universal leukoreduction." One can wonder anything one wants, but that wondering on your part had absolutely nothing to do with the abstract. All that blood you donate is thrown out after a time because of various problems of organic deterioration over time. Or in your case, are you trying to hint at another reason? On Oct 9, 12:02 pm, anonym...@nowhere.you.know wrote: One can wonder anything one wants, but that wondering on your part had absolutely nothing to do with the abstract. All that blood you donate is thrown out after a time because of various problems of organic deterioration over time. Or in your case, are you trying to hint at another reason? << "before they died due to the oxidation / hemolysis OF this 'new' blood." You find I'm .. hinting .. at something .. ? What am I hinting .. at .. ? Hemolysis .. ? The consequences of hemolysis .. ? Is that what I am hinting .. at .. ? I thought I was pretty clear .. Hemolysis causes Aids like symptoms. Get it .. ? Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk hemolysis << "All of the animals given hemolyzed blood died" Ann Surg > v.189(3); Mar 1979 The danger of hemolysis in shock. R M Hardaway, R Dumke, T Gee, T Meyers, J Joyner, J Graf, D Lee, and J Revels Abstract Intravascular hemolysis is sometimes harmful and often fatal. Other times it is harmless. Dogs were paired and subjected to hemorrhagic shock. One of the pair was given 2 ml/kg of autologous hemolyzed blood before bleeding. The other of the pair was given 2 ml/kg of heparinized autologous blood. All of the animals given heparinized blood survived, whereas, all of the animals given hemolyzed blood died. The animals given hemolyzed blood developed coagulation changes indicative of Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (DIC), whereas, the dogs given nonhemolyzed blood did not. It is concluded that hemolysis in the presence of shock (slow capillary flow) causes DIC and death. Hemorrhagic shock alone or hemolysis alone was harmless Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk On Oct 9, 8:33 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote: hemolysis << "RBC units are a major source of the hemolytic load" "Independently influenced by the storage time" Changes in red blood cell integrity related to infusion pumps: A comparison of three different pump mechanisms. LABORATORY INVESTIGATION Pediatric Critical Care Medicine. 4(4):465-470, October 2003. Frey, Bernhard MD; Eber, Stefan MD; Weiss, Markus MD Abstract: Objective: To study the effects of three different infusion pumps on red blood cell (RBC) integrity. Setting: Laboratory. Interventions: Transfusion of packed RBCs using three different pumps (syringe pump, conventional peristaltic pump, and a new volumetric pump with shuttle mechanism). Flow rate was set at 20 mL/hr and duration was 2.5 hrs, simulating a neonatal transfusion. Experiments were repeated in each pump with eight different units of packed RBCs. Measurements and Main Results: Plasma hemoglobin, potassium, lactate dehydrogenase, bilirubin, and osmotic fragility were assessed before and after transfusion. There was a significant degree of hemolysis in the RBC bags before transfusion (mean +/- sd for plasma hemoglobin, 5.9 +/- 3.0 g/L; potassium, 40.0 +/- 11.8 mmol/L; lactate dehydrogenase, 64 +/- 38 units/L; total bilirubin,: 1.5 +/- 0.8 [mu]mol/L). Overall increase between samples before and after transfusion was 12% for plasma hemoglobin (p = .01, paired Student's t- test), 2% for potassium (p = .03), 20% for lactate dehydrogenase (p = . 0001), and 47% for total bilirubin (p = .04). Plasma hemoglobin and lactate dehydrogenase changes were significantly influenced by the type of infusion pump (p = .006 and .01, multiple regression analysis). Regarding these two variables, the new volumetric pump was less hemolytic than the other two pumps. The degree of the transfusion- related RBC changes was also significantly and independently influenced by the storage time of the blood bags with plasma hemoglobin, bilirubin, and osmotic fragility changing less in old bags. Conclusions: The new pump's shuttle mechanism seems to be less injurious to RBCs compared with a conventional syringe and a peristaltic infusion pump. However, the clinical significance must be related to the hemolytic changes in the RBC units before they are transfused, which are a major source of the overall hemolytic load. (C)2003The Society of Critical Care Medicine and the World Federation of Pediatric Intensive and Critical Care Societies Journal of Cerebral Blood Flow & Metabolism (2002) 22, 472–478; doi: 10.1097/00004647-200204000-00011 Oxidation of Bilirubin Produces Compounds That Cause Prolonged Vasospasm of Rat Cerebral Vessels: A Contributor to Subarachnoid Hemorrhage–Induced Vasospasm Supported by National Institutes of Health grants HL67186 (J.F.C.), NS38084 (F.R.S.), and NS28167 (F.R.S.). Joseph F Clark, Melinda Reilly and Frank R Sharp Department of Neurology and Neuroscience Program, University of Cincinnati, Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S.A. Correspondence: Joseph F Clark, Department of Neurology, University of Cincinnati, Vontz Center Room 2327, 3125 Eden Avenue, Cincinnati, OH 45267-0536, U.S.A.; e-mail: joseph.clark@uc.edu Received 27 August 2001; Revised 17 December 2001; Accepted 7 January 2002. Abstract The authors have previously shown that bilirubin-oxidation products (BOXes) are present in CSF of subarachnoid hemorrhage patients with vasospasm, and that BOXes cause vasoconstriction in vitro. This study determined whether BOXes cause vasospasm in vivo. Identical volumes of either lysed blood or standardized amounts of BOXes were injected into the cisterna magna of adult rats. BOX injections caused 6 of 10 rats to die within 10 minutes, whereas 12 of 12 rats survived for 24 hours after blood injections. The mechanism for this significant (P 0.01) increase in mortality was unclear. To directly test whether BOXes produced vasospasm, a cranial window technique was used. Application of 20 L of 10-mol/L bilirubin had little effect on the vessels. However, application of BOXes produced marked, dose-dependent small artery and arteriole vasospasm that approached a 90% decrease in diameter by 40 minutes after application in some vessels, and persisted for at least 24 hours. To determine if BOX-mediated vasospasm led to cortical injury, histology and immunocytochemistry were performed on animals that survived for 24 hours. There was a BOX-related stress protein response for HSP25 and HSP32 (HO-1) without evidence of infarction. The finding that the BOXes produce vasospasm of cerebral vessels in vivo, in conjunction with BOXes being found in CSF of vasospasm patients, supports our hypothesis that BOXes contribute to or cause cerebral vasospasm after subarachnoid hemorrhage. Keywords: Cerebral vasospasm, Vessel diameter, Relaxation, Hemorrhage, Bilirubin, Oxidative stress http://www.nature.com/jcbfm/journal/v22/n4/full/9591237a.html Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > hemolysis << > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk On Oct 9, 9:28 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote: "Independently influenced by the storage time" << “OLD BLOOD” LINKED TO INFECTION Current Blood Storage Length Debated (Philadelphia, PA, October 28, 2008) — Blood stored for 29 days or more, nearly 2 weeks less than the current standard for blood storage, is associated with a higher infection rate in patientswho received transfusions with the blood. In a new study presented at CHEST 2008, the 74thannual international scientific assembly of the American College of Chest Physicians (ACCP),researchers found that patients who received transfusions with blood stored for 29 days or more were twice as likely to suffer from nosocomial infections, including pneumonia, upper respiratory infections, and sepsis, with the oldest blood being associated with the most infections. Currently, federal regulations allow red blood cells to be stored up to 42 days, after which they must be discarded. “Stored red blood cells undergo changes that promote the release of a number of biochemical substances called cytokines, which can depress the recipients’ immune function and leave them more susceptible to infection,” said study author Raquel Nahra, MD, who conducted her research while at Cooper University Hospital, Camden, NJ. “Those changes start around 14 days of storage and reach a maximum after the blood is discarded at 42 days.” Researchers from Cooper University Hospital examined the association between the age of packed red blood cells and the development of nosocomial infections (NOSO) in 422 patients receiving blood transfusions who were admitted to an ICU from July 2003 to September 2006. Researchers performed an analysis of the age of the first unit of blood, age of the “oldest” unit of blood (OL), the average age of the unit of blood, and the outcome of NOSO. “Previous data indicate that the average age of transfused blood is around 17 days old,” said American College of Chest Physicians • 3300 Dundee Road • Northbrook, Illinois 60062 Phone: (847) 498-1400 • Fax: (847) 498-5460 • E-mail: media@chestnet.org • Internet: www.chestnet.org Dr. Nahra. “In our study, the average age of blood was 26 days, and 70 percent of all the blood transfused was older than 21 days, suggesting that a large pool of available blood is old blood with higher levels of cytokines and more potential for an immunosuppressive effect.” The analysis showed that 11 percent of patients died, while 57 patients (13.5 percent) developed NOSO: 32 patients developed one NOSO, 21 developed two NOSO, and 4 developed 3NOSO. Patients who developed NOSO had a significantly higher OL (28.5 days vs. 32 days), and a significantly greater number of units of blood (2 U vs. 3 U). Patients who received transfusions with blood that was 29 days or older were twice as likely to develop NOSO as those receiving transfusions with blood stored for 28 days or less. When the outcome of “at least one infection” was analyzed, a higher number of units of blood (>5 U) was found to be an independent predictor of infection. Furthermore, while the age of the first unit of blood transfused appeared to be associated with the development of infection, the age of the oldest unit showed the strongest relationship. Many institutions, including Dr. Nahra’s, use the oldest available blood first, to ensure that it does not go to waste. Researchers speculate that if strict regulation of blood storage were to occur (ie, shorter maximum storage allowance), the overall blood supply may decrease. “More cautious utilization of blood might help to alleviate, at in least part, a diminished blood supply that might result from such a change in policy,” said study director and senior investigator David Gerber, DO, Cooper University Hospital. “More studies are needed, and the overall implications of any such potential changes need to be formally assessed before any major changes in blood storage policy can be proposed.” “The results of this study raise questions about current blood storage standards and transfusion practices and suggest additional research is needed in these areas,” said James A. L. Mathers, Jr., MD, FCCP, President of the American College of Chest Physicians. CHEST 2008 is the 74th annual international scientific assembly of the American College of Chest Physicians, held October 25-30 in Philadelphia, PA. ACCP represents 17,000 members who provide patient care in the areas of pulmonary, critical care, and sleep medicine in the United States and throughout the world. The ACCP’s mission is to promote the prevention and treatment of diseases of the chest through leadership, education, research, and communication. For moreinformation about the ACCP, please visit the ACCP Web site at www.chestnet.org. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > Changes in redbloodcell integrity related to infusion pumps: A > comparison of three different pump mechanisms. [quoted text clipped - 141 lines] > > - Show quoted text - In a new study presented at CHEST 2008, the 74thannual international scientific assembly of the American College of Chest Physicians (ACCP),researchers found that ______________________________________________________ I thought (from your earlier posts) that "researchers" would be "fkd in the hd mthrfkrs" ? Should we therefore be dubious about their conclusions? I thought (from your earlier posts) that "researchers" would be "fkd in the hd mthrfkrs" ? Should we therefore be dubious about their conclusions? << We both know if they hadn't been caught cold nuts .. none of it would have come to light .. The Socialists in Canada .. remember .. Those that really give a .. fk .. Remember .. ? Those who live by the code .. . Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk On Oct 29, 2:14 pm, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: I thought (from your earlier posts) that "researchers" would be "fkd in the hd mthrfkrs" ? Should we therefore be dubious about their conclusions? << We both know if they hadn't been caught cold nuts .. none of it would have come to light .. The Socialists in Canada .. remember .. Those that really give a .. fk .. Remember .. ? Those who live by the code .. . __________________________________________________________ "Socialists in Canada" ? No idea what you're talking about. Sorry. "Socialists in Canada" ? No idea what you're talking about. Sorry. << Universal Public Health Care is referred to by those in the US as .. Socialist .. It was the Canadian Critical Care Trials Group which 'noticed' the increased death in the ICU using transfusions. EFFECTIVELY throttling a transfusion money maker. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/467534 "RBC transfusion associated with an increased risk for death" Blood study could change medical thinking, researcher says Associated Press By JANET McCONNAUGHEY February 22, 1999 The finding that it is safe - and sometimes better - to cut back on blood transfusions for critically ill patients may have effects far beyond the obvious ones of saving blood and money. It could open the way for more studies of whether common sense makes medical sense, said Gordon R. Barnard, chief of critical care service at Vanderbilt Medical Center in Nashville, Tenn. Common sense would say that a normal red cell count is better than a low one, but the work directed by doctor Paul C. Hebert shows that isn't always so, Barnard said. Hebert, of the University of Ottawa, found that critical care patients are as likely to recover if they get transfusions only when they become severely anemic as they are when mild anemia is the trigger for transfusion. And, it found, the more restrictive strategy is better for patients under the age of 55 and those who are less critically ill. Among those patients, those who got more transfusions were more likely to die. "If common sense is not reliable, we need clinical trials," Barnard said. "I think this paves the way for clinical trials that seem to fly in the face of logic." He said Hebert's study asked a very simple question in everyday practice: What hemoglobin level is best in the ICU? "There are a number of questions like that which remain unanswered or inadequately answered, not only in general medicine but in critical care, particularly," he said. Some of those questions: What is the best oxygen level to maintain? When drugs have to be used to raise a patient's blood pressure, what is the best blood pressure to maintain? "We don't know if we should try to achieve normal levels, 10 percent less than normal, or where. It's probably different depending on what physiological breakdown we're talking about," Barnard said. Red-cell transfusions are routine to fight anemia. However, critical care doctors disagree on when they are needed. Some give them when a patient becomes slightly anemic, with 10 grams of hemoglobin per deciliter of blood, compared to the usual 11.5 to 12.5 grams. Others wait until a patient is severely anemic, at 7 grams of hemoglobin per deciliter. Hebert and the Canadian Critical Care Trials Group randomly divided 838 critically ill and anemic patients into two groups, one for each treatment strategy. He said he expected the two approaches to produce similar results, a finding that by itself could save millions of dollars a year. And, overall, that was the result, he reported in today's edition of the New England Journal of Medicine. The 420 patients in the liberal strategy group got an average of 5.6 units of blood apiece, while the 418 in the restrictive group averaged 2.6 units - about 54 percent less. In addition, one-third of the patients in the restrictive group did not get any transfusions at all. And in two groups, less was better: Younger and less critically sick patients were more likely to die if they got more transfusions. "This is a landmark study. This is bigtime," said Stephen Cohn, chief of trauma and surgical critical care at Jackson Memorial Hospital-University of Miami School of Medicine. He and Robert Taylor, president of the Society for Critical Care Medicine, said they plan to use the more restrictive guidelines in their ICUs. Taylor, of St. John's Mercy Medical Center in St. Louis, emphasized that the findings don't apply to several groups of patients. He said that includes patients who are bleeding, whether from ulcers or wounds; those suffering from heart attacks or reduced flow of blood to the heart; and those with emphysema and cardiovascular disease. And, he said, "This is a large study. A well-done study. But there needs to be other studies that confirm this." Nobody knows just how many patients the nation's ICUs treat a year, or how many transfusions they get. But the 68-bed ICU at St. John's Mercy used 337 units in November. "If we could cut that by 54 percent, that's a significant issue," Taylor said. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk On Oct 29, 3:18 pm, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: "Socialists in Canada" ? No idea what you're talking about. Sorry. << Universal Public Health Care is referred to by those in the US as .. Socialist .. ________________________________________________ And that's a bd thing because.... ? And that's a bd thing because.... ? << It's a good thing .. It is a good thing. It was a **Public** Health Employee who discovered the fact the medical profession is killing people with transfusions at a very high rate / Canadian / Socialist Health. They kill people DUE TO the .. **fact** .. the private health care systems .. force feed transfusions to the patient at 500 dollars per blood bag. Sooo .. when four blood bags are given to someone in the US .. two - thousand dollars are made by the US health care system / 4x500 . 75% of that goes right directly into the hospital coffers and the other twenty-five percent goes into the doctors' personal account. The doctor gets a percentage of all stuff prescribed in the US system. In Canada there are no **incentives** to kill the patient and make a couple hundred extra bucks. In Canada / Socialist Health .. the doctor himself keeps an eye open for more effective / cheaper ways of doing things. HE doesn't get paid by the .. minute .. and therefore isn't WELL versed in how to .. screw people over. Much it seems like yourself .. and your abilities which over the years you have attempted to .. hone. In Canada they teach the doctors and medical people how to .. serve .. as opposed to .. cheat and steal and lie .. Much like yourself for example .. Understand .. now .. ? Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk On Oct 30, 12:15 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: And that's a bd thing because.... ? << It's a good thing .. It is a good thing. It was a **Public** Health Employee who discovered the fact the medical profession is killing people with transfusions at a very high Much like yourself for example .. Understand .. now .. ? __________________________________________________________ A Public Health employee. Very much like myself. Understand? No - I don't think I ever will. And, to save you typing it, quite possibly because I'm a "fkd n th hd mthrfkr" > One might wonder if these people manifested all the symptoms of Aids > or Hepatitis before they died due to the oxidation / hemolysis OF this [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Reiff DA, Kerby JD, Rue LW > J Trauma 2008 Aug; 65(2):279-82; discussion 282-4. If all that Iron and Blood are so bad for humans, how much should each person bleed out to become healthy? Anyone want to try?  SignatureJohn Gentile MS, M(ASCP) Laboratory Information Mgr. VA Medical Center Providence, RI yjgent@cox.net Anyone want to try? << Let me advise you .. Do NOT laugh on a thread about patients dying .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk On Oct 10, 6:48 pm, John Gentile <yjg...@nospamcox.net> wrote: Anyone want to try? << Let me advise you .. Do NOT laugh on a thread about patients dying .. ___________________________________________ But *everyone* who posts on your threads is laughing, Tom. Admittedly not at the people who are dying, but at you. Surely you realise that by now? On Oct 11, 12:18 pm, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:But *everyone* who posts on your threads is laughing, Tom. Admittedly not at the people who are dying, but at you. << It is not the laughing .. it is WHO laughs that .. matters .. YOU and your cohorts laugh at me .. But like who really fkg cares about a bunch of lowlife useless drunken slovenly stupid childkilling .. mthrfkrs .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > On Oct 10, 6:48 pm, John Gentile <yjg...@nospamcox.net> wrote: > Anyone want to try? << [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Surely you realise that by now? On Oct 11, 12:18 pm, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:But *everyone* who posts on your threads is laughing, Tom. Admittedly not at the people who are dying, but at you. << It is not the laughing .. it is WHO laughs that .. matters .. YOU and your cohorts laugh at me .. But like who really fkg cares about a bunch of lowlife useless drunken slovenly stupid childkilling .. mthrfkrs .. ______________________________________________ Serriously inadequate use of dots, and unoriginal repetetive dropping of vowels 3/10 Could do better. The following is a quote from the Merck Manual of Medical Information Second Home Edition page 979; Chapter 169 entitled Biology of Bood: " The speed of blood cell production is controlled by the body's needs. Normal blood cells last for a limited time (ranging from a few hours to a few days for white blood cells, to about 10 days for platelets, to about 120 days for red blood cells) and must be replaced constantly." This quote definitiely describes, defines, and explains the biochemical, biological, and physical factors which result in the increase in morbidity and mortality resulting from aged blood products as related in the original post. I hold a B.S. in Biochemistry and am an R.N.. |
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