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Fungus Causing Cancer -- A Novel Approach to the Most Common Form of     Death

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rpautrey2 - 23 Sep 2008 16:54 GMT
Fungus Causing Cancer -- A Novel Approach to the Most Common Form of
Death

Cancer is now the leading cause of death in the United States. This
video featuring Doug Kaufman interviewing Italian Oncologist Dr.
Tullio Simoncini, details a new theory of cancer that carries the
promise of a safe, speedy, and effective cancer cure.

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Dr. Mercola's Comments:
Cancer, which surpassed heart disease as the number one killer in
America in 2005, is still considered “a mystery” in conventional
medicine. In fact, the term “cancer” is just a generic term that in no
way describes its cause.

In this video, Doug Kaufman – a longtime proponent of the influence of
fungi in human disease -- interviews the Italian oncologist Dr. Tullio
Simoncini -- author of Cancer is a Fungus -- who shares fascinating
new information about what he believes is the root of all cancers:
fungi, and discusses a radically different path for curing cancer;
sometimes in as little as a few days.

Conventional Cancer Treatments – Ineffective and Dangerous “Cures”

Currently, if you are diagnosed with cancer, especially in the U.S.,
you are given three options:

Surgery
Chemotherapy
Radiation
However, as mentioned in this video, finding actual statistics on the
effectiveness of these treatments is very difficult. You’d think if
something is the best medicine has to offer, they’d be more than happy
to share their level of success.

Most people are given a 50/50 chance of dying from cancer, in general.
And conventional treatments are touted as your best shot at
surviving.

But is it true?

According to Dr. Simoncini’s website, polls and questionnaires show
that a full 75 percent of doctors say they’d refuse chemotherapy if
they were struck with cancer due to its ineffectiveness and its
devastating side effects.

Many doctors have spoken out about it, yet their voices are still
ignored. For example, Dr. Allen Levin, MD, author of The Healing of
Cancer, has said, “The majority of the cancer patients in this country
die because of chemotherapy, which does not cure breast, colon or lung
cancer. This has been documented for over a decade and nevertheless
doctors still utilize chemotherapy to fight these tumors.”

Professor Gorge Mathe similarly stated, “If I were to contract cancer,
I would never turn to a certain standard for the therapy of this
disease. Cancer patients who stay away from these centers have some
chance to make it.”

So, how effective is chemotherapy?

There is at least one study that I know of that addresses this very
question. Published in the journal Clinical Oncology in December 2004,
the results of this study were astounding, showing that chemotherapy
has an average 5-year survival success rate of just over 2 percent for
all cancers!

In the U.S., chemo was most successful in treating testicular cancer
and Hodgkin’s disease, where its success rate fell just below 38
percent and slightly over 40 percent respectively.

Still well below the 50/50 mark…

A review of chemo on 5-year survival rates in Australia garnered
almost identical results, with a 2.3 percent success rate, compared to
the U.S. 2.1 percent rate of success.

And yet this is the best that conventional medicine has up its sleeve
for treating this widespread killer.

What Causes Cancer?

Conventional medicine likes to focus on the impact of genetics as a
causative agent in developing cancer, despite the fact that research
indicates that genetics is not the main cause of this widespread
phenomenon, even though it may play a small role in some people.
Unfortunately, little attention is paid to the impact of plain and
simple infections.

Dr. Simoncini’s research has led him to believe that something as
simple as a fungus, Candida, is the leading cause of cancer; that
cancer itself is in fact a fungus. What we refer to as a tumor, is
nothing more than your body’s attempt at protecting itself from that
fungus.

He brings up an analogy between psoriasis – an “incurable” disease of
the skin that many treat as a fungus – and tumors, which are also an
“incurable” disease of your body. Several studies have linked the
presence of Candida with cancer, showing that anywhere between 79 to
97 percent of all cancer patients also have Candida.

Dr. Simoncini’s explanation for how this phenomenon works – how
Candida leads to deadly cancer – is that it’s a consequence of the
weakening and exhaustion of your organs, and eventually your entire
body, in the following stages:

Candida roots itself in your deep connective tissue in various organs
As a result, this evokes an organic defensive reaction as the
connective tissue of your invaded organ attempts to encyst the fungin
colonies through cellular hyper-production, which results in the
formation of tumors
Growths continue as the fungi spreads, both in your surrounding
tissue, and remotely (aka “metastatis”). It is still always the same
Candida attacking different tissues, but due to its highly adaptive
qualities it is able to mutate to adapt itself to whatever environment
it finds itself in, hence the various types of tumors
Your body becomes progressively more exhausted, which allows the fungi
to spread and take over more rapidly
You die from “cancer”
If Cancer is a Fungus, Then What is the Cure?

In the video, Dr. Simoncini shows actual before-and-after footage of
both bronchial cancer and colon cancer. Four days after his
revolutionary and mind-blowingly simple treatment for bronchial cancer
with a sodium bicarbonate and water flush, the tumors are gone…

Sodium bicarbonate, a.k.a baking soda, is the most potent anti-fungal
substance there is. The problem with anti-fungal drugs, however, is
that fungi are extremely adaptive, and can adapt to a new environment
in three to four days. This renders anti-fungal drugs largely
ineffective. The fungi do not adapt to the baking soda, but it is far
more difficult to use as it needs to be injected directly into the
tumor; swallowing the baking soda would not work at all.

Candida yeast is not “one shared element,” so to speak, but rather
“social elements,” or colonies, that are highly communicative.

Because of their unique adaptation skills, sodium bicarbonate must be
administered directly onto the tumor, and in so doing changing its ph
very quickly, from acid to alkaline, which quickly and effectively
kills off the yeast before it has time to adapt.

For example, Dr. Simoncini’s experience has shown that 99 percent of
breast- and bladder cancer can heal in just six days, entirely without
the use of surgery, chemo or radiation, using just a local
infiltration device (such as a catheter) to deliver the sodium
bicarbonate directly to the infected site in your breast tissue or
bladder.

Why the Baking Soda Cancer Cure is Not Available Everywhere

Unfortunately, Dr. Simoncini is yet another brilliant doctor who has
been ousted from the medical community due to his revolutionary simple
ideas of how to cure profit-making diseases.

So many people refuse to believe that this is true and that it’s
happening to good doctors, since “everyone knows” you must be a
liability to human life if you’re stripped of your medical license.

But the reason why Dr. Simoncini was kicked out is because as an
oncologist – a cancer specialist -- he refused to use conventional
cancer treatment methods, choosing instead to administer sodium
bicarbonate, which is HARMLESS, as opposed to the often lethal use of
chemotherapy.

His lawyers have recently started a rehabilitation court trial at the
International Court of Justice in Strassburg to have him reinstated.

Preventive Measures – Combating Candida

If the cause of cancer is the Candida fungus, then what is the root
cause of the fungi? And how can you tell you might have too much yeast
in your body, which might eventually lead to the formation of cancer?

A good sign that Candida is on the loose is feeling “run down” and
developing a craving for sugars and carbohydrates, as this is the main
fuel for the growing amounts of yeast in your intestine. The more
sugar and grains you eat, the more the yeast grows out of control.
Eventually, this will weaken your immune system, which in turn can
allow it to infiltrate various other organs.

This imbalance in intestinal flora, sometimes called dysbiosis, can
also lead to other more common, and less lethal, health problems, such
as:

Vaginitis
Irritable bowel syndrome
Weight gain
Food allergies
Migraines
Asthma
Depression
Chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia
There are 79 different toxins released by the metabolism and die-off
of Candida. This is why people with yeast overgrowth often feel so
lousy; the Candida toxins are regularly entering their bloodstream.
Two of these toxins, alcohol and acetaldehyde (the breakdown product
of alcohol that causes hangovers), are in such high amounts in people
with chronic yeast problems that you may actually end up feeling
“drunk.”

Acetaldehyde also reacts with the neurotransmitter dopamine, which is
why people with yeast overgrowth often experience mental and emotional
disturbances such as anxiety, depression, poor concentration, and
feeling spaced-out.

How to Cure a Yeast Overgrowth

For more on Candida and holistic treatment options, I recommend you
review my previous article, Holistic Treatment for Candida Infection.
The highlights of the treatments for yeast overgrowth include:

The Right Diet and Exercise -- A diet rich in meats, chicken, eggs,
seeds and nuts, vegetables, and healthy oils (free range and organic)
-- while avoiding sugars and carbohydrate-rich foods -- will restrict
the amount of fuel the yeast in your intestine has available to it. I
would add to this to make your diet in tune with your nutritional
type. Once you’ve started on the diet, exercising will begin to
rebalance the levels of neurotransmitters in your brain and improve
your mood. One of the elements of diet that does seem counter
intuitive is the absolute restriction of even fruits when one is
seeking to eliminate yeast, as even the tiniest amounts of sugar seem
to worsen this condition.
Getting Plenty of Good Bacteria -- You will want to increase your
probiotic (good bacteria) intake with a high-quality probiotic
supplement or by eating cultured and fermented foods, such as natto.
These contain the good bacteria that keep your vagina and
gastrointestinal tract healthy and will ultimately replace the
Candida.
Avoiding Exposure to Chemicals -- Paints, household cleaners, perfumes
and scents may cause allergic reactions, and chemical sensitivities
are very common in people with yeast overgrowth.
Addressing Emotional and Psychological Issues -- Food cravings,
especially those for sweets, often are exacerbated by emotional
dependencies. Tools like the Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) can
help you to overcome unhealthy food cravings and other emotional
hurdles.
For even more information on simple lifestyle changes that can
virtually eliminate your risk of cancer, please review the Related
Articles below.

Related Articles:

 Twelve Changes That Will Cut Your Cancer Risk in Half

 Reduce Your Risk of Cancer With Sunlight Exposure

 How Broccoli Fights Cancer

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/08/05/fungus-causing-can
cer-a-novel-approach-to-the-most-common-form-of-death.aspx?source=nl

drceephd@insightbb.com - 23 Sep 2008 23:56 GMT
> Fungus Causing Cancer -- A Novel Approach to the Most Common Form of
> Death

It is always interesting to see modern medicine "re-discovering" a
basic scientific, medical fact only to once again sweep it under the
rug.

The fungal connection to cancer has been known and utilized since
1820.
The Orthopathic theory of of dis-ease teaches that dis-ease and body
degeneration procedes via a seven stage process:
Enervation
Toxemia
Irritation
Inflammation
Ulceration
Induration
and finally, Fungation, or the fungal connection which we call cancer.

Cancer is a mystery only to those who read just modern medical
journals.

Keep in mind however, that this discribes only "natural" cancer.
Natural cancer is a body defense mechanism.  The other type of cancer
is the "induced" variety.  Here the cancer is caused by carcinogens
and radiation, either those in the environment or those provided to
you by your oncologist.

DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
D. C. Sessions - 24 Sep 2008 00:55 GMT
>> Fungus Causing Cancer -- A Novel Approach to the Most Common Form of
>> Death
>
> It is always interesting to see modern medicine "re-discovering" a
> basic scientific, medical fact only to once again sweep it under the
> rug.

Chuckles, it's always a hoot seeing you contradict yourself.
Just think of all the times you've insisted that microorganisms
can't possibly cause any illness, and here you are (as long as it's
a numbskull notion that doesn't survive the least scrutiny) backing
some nitwit whose whole basis for his "discovery" is that:
1) Tumors are white
2) Fungi are white
3) Therefore, tumors must be fungi

Right up your alley, that.

| The brighter the stupid burns, the more |
| chance that someone will see the light. |
+- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+
Carole - 25 Sep 2008 11:21 GMT
> Fungus Causing Cancer -- A Novel Approach to the Most Common Form of
> Death

If this is true and cancer is a fungus, I have it covered.

I can eliminate athletes foot fungi by taking bicarbonate of soda and cream
of tartar in equal quantities (1/4 tspn each at a time), and calcium
carbonate every time it appears.
A bit of experimenting is needed to know when to take calcium and how much,
but it gets rid of the fungi.

However, Hulda Clarke seems to think that cancer is caused by parasites, I
don't know if she mentions fungi. I'll have to check this out. But anyway
the bicarb, cream of tartar and calcium also gets rid of parasites. So its
more or less the same.
Which bears out the soil theory, ie "the germ is nothing, the soil is
everything" - Bechamp (1850 or therabouts).

carole
www.cellsalts.net
drceephd@insightbb.com - 25 Sep 2008 15:35 GMT
> Which bears out the soil theory, ie "the germ is nothing, the soil is
> everything" - Bechamp (1850 or therabouts).
>
> carolewww.cellsalts.net

You will find a very good account of Bechamp and other researchers at:
http://www.squidoo.com/bechamp
Please note the supression that occured to hide this truth, including
lab destruction, book burning, incarceration, and even murder.

DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
Carole - 26 Sep 2008 00:35 GMT
On Sep 25, 6:21 am, "Carole" <hub...@iimetro.com.au> wrote:

>> Which bears out the soil theory, ie "the germ is nothing, the soil is
>> everything" - Bechamp (1850 or therabouts).
>>
>> carolewww.cellsalts.net

> You will find a very good account of Bechamp and other researchers at:
> http://www.squidoo.com/bechamp
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> DrCee
> You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.

Thanks for the link and all your insights.

carole
www.cellsalts.net
Martin - 25 Sep 2008 19:55 GMT
>> Fungus Causing Cancer -- A Novel Approach to the Most Common Form of
>> Death
>
>If this is true and cancer is a fungus, I have it covered.

It isn't so no, you don't.

>I can eliminate athletes foot fungi by taking bicarbonate of soda and cream
>of tartar in equal quantities (1/4 tspn each at a time), and calcium
>carbonate every time it appears.

Carole, how bloody often do you have athletes foot? How on earth do
you get to suffer from athletes foot all the time? I've had it once in
my life, I used a fungus killing cream (pharmaceutical!) and I've
never ever had it come back. Do you go to unhygienic public pools all
the time? Sauna's? Maybe you should try cleaning your bathroom floor
with bleach a few times, fresh clean socks every morning and a
different pair of shoes everyday.

>A bit of experimenting is needed to know when to take calcium and how much,
>but it gets rid of the fungi.
>
>However, Hulda Clarke seems to think that cancer is caused by parasites, I
>don't know if she mentions fungi.

Nope, she doesn't . I hope that means you think Clark is wrong. For
the wrong reasons, but still.

> I'll have to check this out. But anyway
>the bicarb, cream of tartar and calcium also gets rid of parasites. So its
>more or less the same.

Ah, fungus, parasite, it don't matter, they're all the same. I can see
how you come to think that you're always right.

>Which bears out the soil theory, ie "the germ is nothing, the soil is
>everything" - Bechamp (1850 or therabouts).
>
>carole
>www.cellsalts.net
Carole - 26 Sep 2008 15:46 GMT
>>> Fungus Causing Cancer -- A Novel Approach to the Most Common Form of
>>> Death
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> with bleach a few times, fresh clean socks every morning and a
> different pair of shoes everyday.

How often to you go to the quack for a prescription?
I haven't taken a pharmaceutical drug in over 30+ years.

>>A bit of experimenting is needed to know when to take calcium and how
>>much,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Nope, she doesn't . I hope that means you think Clark is wrong. For
> the wrong reasons, but still.

You wouldn't have a clue.

>> I'll have to check this out. But anyway
>>the bicarb, cream of tartar and calcium also gets rid of parasites. So its
>>more or less the same.
>
> Ah, fungus, parasite, it don't matter, they're all the same. I can see
> how you come to think that you're always right.

Germs, parasites, fungi ...in a way they're all the same ...they proliferate
in a toxic body.

carole
www.cellsalts.net
Martin - 26 Sep 2008 19:15 GMT
>>>> Fungus Causing Cancer -- A Novel Approach to the Most Common Form of
>>>> Death
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>How often to you go to the quack for a prescription?
>I haven't taken a pharmaceutical drug in over 30+ years.

Carole, I'd really like to know how often you have athletes foot.
I had it once. I went to the docter, he gave me some ointment and the
advice to wear slippers in public baths, showers, sauna's etc, to
clean my own bathroom floor with bleach, change socks and shoes every
day at least and I've never had it come back. We're talking 25+ years.
Now if you have it often, there must be something you're not doing
right because that simply isn't normal.

>>>A bit of experimenting is needed to know when to take calcium and how
>>>much,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>You wouldn't have a clue.

So you say cancer is a fungus, Clark says it's a parasite, wich is not
a fungus, but she is not wrong?

>>> I'll have to check this out. But anyway
>>>the bicarb, cream of tartar and calcium also gets rid of parasites. So its
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Germs, parasites, fungi ...in a way they're all the same ...they proliferate
>in a toxic body.

Yep. there you have it. No matter what the facts, you are always
right.

>carole
>www.cellsalts.net
Carole - 27 Sep 2008 11:51 GMT
>>How often to you go to the quack for a prescription?
>>I haven't taken a pharmaceutical drug in over 30+ years.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Now if you have it often, there must be something you're not doing
> right because that simply isn't normal.

You're changing the subject Martin.
I asked you how many pharmaceutical drugs you take.

>>>>A bit of experimenting is needed to know when to take calcium and how
>>>>much,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> So you say cancer is a fungus, Clark says it's a parasite, wich is not
> a fungus, but she is not wrong?

Maybe cancer tumours have both.

>>>> I'll have to check this out. But anyway
>>>>the bicarb, cream of tartar and calcium also gets rid of parasites. So
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Yep. there you have it. No matter what the facts, you are always
> right.

The reason that I'm always right is because the man in the street has to do
his thinking for himself these days.
There's no way he can rely on system as it is corrupted.

carole
www.cellsalts.net
Martin - 27 Sep 2008 13:12 GMT
>>>How often to you go to the quack for a prescription?
>>>I haven't taken a pharmaceutical drug in over 30+ years.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>You're changing the subject Martin.

This is amazing! I ask you a question, you don't answer, I'm asking
the question again because you didn't answer it and you accuse me of
changing the subject!

>I asked you how many pharmaceutical drugs you take.

At the moment, none. After I got bitten by rather large rodent about 6
years ago, I got a tetanus booster and since then the only thing I
took was an aspirin about 3 weeks ago.
So, now it's your turn. Carole, what on earth is it that you do that
you have athlethes foot so often? Either somehow you get infected with
the fungus over and over and over and over again, or your cellsalts
never got rid of it in the first place.

>>>>>A bit of experimenting is needed to know when to take calcium and how
>>>>>much,
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Maybe cancer tumours have both.

Like I said, you always, without fail, have an excuse that makes you
right. Always. You are never ever wrong. You never ever have to change
your mind, whatever the facts, because you are always right.
This, Carole, is the very definition of a closed mind.

>>>>> I'll have to check this out. But anyway
>>>>>the bicarb, cream of tartar and calcium also gets rid of parasites. So
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>his thinking for himself these days.
>There's no way he can rely on system as it is corrupted.

You say cancer is a fungus. You are not part of the system.
Hulda Clark says cancer is a parasite. She is not part of the system.
You can not both be right. At least, that is the conclusion that you
should draw *if* you think about it.

>carole
>www.cellsalts.net
Carole - 27 Sep 2008 14:28 GMT
>>>>How often to you go to the quack for a prescription?
>>>>I haven't taken a pharmaceutical drug in over 30+ years.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> the fungus over and over and over and over again, or your cellsalts
> never got rid of it in the first place.

Not that I think its any of your business Martin, but occasionally I get a
slight occurrence of athletes foot ...its no big deal and I just take a dose
of cellsalts and it disappears. Symptoms are nature's warning signs that
something is wrong. To use fungicides and merely kill the fungus is not to
get to the cause of the problem.
Its all about cause and effect. You can kill all the flies or you can clean
up the rubbish that attracts the flies. This is the soil theory that bechamp
spoke about, or the internal milieu. "The germ is nothing, the soil is
everything".
Make sense?

>>> So you say cancer is a fungus, Clark says it's a parasite, wich is not
>>> a fungus, but she is not wrong?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> your mind, whatever the facts, because you are always right.
> This, Carole, is the very definition of a closed mind.

Have you read about the Rockefeller Drug empire.

The truth about the Rockefeller drug empire
The Drug Story  - by Hans Ruesch

From David Icke's Medical Archive:
http://www.davidicke.net/medicalarchives/conspiracy/drugstory.html

And before you start, this article is on many websites, not just David Ickes
because you are so predictable I can imagine the only response I would get
is "oh David Icke -- that loon".

>>>>>> I'll have to check this out. But anyway
>>>>>>the bicarb, cream of tartar and calcium also gets rid of parasites. So
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>>> Yep. there you have it. No matter what the facts, you are always
>>> right.

No, its just that the pharmaceutical cartel is always wrong -- so if there's
a question of them being right or me, I choose me.

>>The reason that I'm always right is because the man in the street has to
>>do
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> You can not both be right. At least, that is the conclusion that you
> should draw *if* you think about it.

I don't know about Hulda's parasites being the cause of cancer. Maybe they
are involved somewhere. Parasites, fungi, germs, microbes -- they're all
nature's scavengers and only exist in a toxic body.
It is to Hulda's advantage that she's not part of the system as it is
totally "rubber ducked". Its all about making money at the expense of
health. It has been hijacked by businessmen who are obsessed with profits.

I say cancer may be a fungus ...Dr Simoncini (italian oncologist) thinks so
and why not? Have you got any reason to think its not a fungus? Does modern
medicine have any idea what cancer is -- no they don't, it is still a
mystery like all chronic disease they are unable to cure.
And before you respond with "Simoncini's been disbarred etc" save yourself
the time.
If cancer is a fungus and can be cured with something as cheap and simple as
bicarb it would make the pharmaceutical cartel look a bit silly.

So Martin, how much do you get paid for responding in this ng to alties like
me?

carole
www.cellsalts.net
Martin - 27 Sep 2008 16:31 GMT
>>>>>How often to you go to the quack for a prescription?
>>>>>I haven't taken a pharmaceutical drug in over 30+ years.
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>everything".
>Make sense?

No, fungii aren't flies and your body isn't garbage. The comparison is
BS.
Wear slippers in public pools, sauna's etc, clean your bathroom floor
at home with bleach on a regular basis, dry your feet properly after
taking a shower, make sure you put on fresh socks and a different pair
of shoes every day and you simply will not get athletes foot, no
matter what the internal milieu is.

>>>> So you say cancer is a fungus, Clark says it's a parasite, wich is not
>>>> a fungus, but she is not wrong?
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Have you read about the Rockefeller Drug empire.

Diversion noted. We're not talking about Rockefeller. We're talking
about the fact that your mind is 100% closed to any fact.

>The truth about the Rockefeller drug empire
>The Drug Story  - by Hans Ruesch
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>because you are so predictable I can imagine the only response I would get
>is "oh David Icke -- that loon".

Well, he really is a loon.

>>>>>>> I'll have to check this out. But anyway
>>>>>>>the bicarb, cream of tartar and calcium also gets rid of parasites. So
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>No, its just that the pharmaceutical cartel is always wrong -- so if there's
>a question of them being right or me, I choose me.

That's what I said Carole, no matter what the facts, you are always,
always, always and ever right.

>>>The reason that I'm always right is because the man in the street has to
>>>do
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>I don't know about Hulda's parasites being the cause of cancer. Maybe they
>are involved somewhere.

Yes Carole, you *do* know. You've been told over and over and over
again that Hulda Clark has got books (and a website) were she explains
that a certain parasite is *the* cause of cancer. You can even buy her
book and check for yourself. No talk about cellsalts, nothing about
fungus. Parasites. One kind of parasite, a liver fluke. So what is it
Carole? If cancer is a fungus, Clark is wrong, if Clark is not wrong,
cancer is not a fungus. That's the only 2 options.

> Parasites, fungi, germs, microbes -- they're all
>nature's scavengers and only exist in a toxic body.

You keep dancing around facing the facts very nicely.

>It is to Hulda's advantage that she's not part of the system as it is
>totally "rubber ducked". Its all about making money at the expense of
>health. It has been hijacked by businessmen who are obsessed with profits.
>
>I say cancer may be a fungus ...Dr Simoncini (italian oncologist) thinks so

Simoncini is not a Dr. Not anymore, since he killed a patient.

>and why not? Have you got any reason to think its not a fungus?

Have you any reason to think cancer is not caused by pixie dust?

> Does modern medicine have any idea what cancer is

Oh yes they do. For starters, they know that cancer is not one
disease, with one cause.

> -- no they don't, it is still a mystery like all chronic disease they are unable to cure.

Ever met any cancer survivors Carole?
Let me introduce just one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Armstrong
Lance had cancer and modern medicine cured him.

>And before you respond with "Simoncini's been disbarred etc" save yourself
>the time.

So you couldn't care less if his treatment actually kills his
patients?

>If cancer is a fungus and can be cured with something as cheap and simple as
>bicarb it would make the pharmaceutical cartel look a bit silly.

Yes, it would, if there was such a thing as the pharmaceutical cartel,
if cancer was fungus and if bicarb cured it. Since none of this the
case, we're done here.

>So Martin, how much do you get paid for responding in this ng to alties like
>me?

Carole, in your case I think it's you who gets paid to make alties
look bad.

>carole
>www.cellsalts.net
Carole - 28 Sep 2008 00:09 GMT
>>>>>>How often to you go to the quack for a prescription?
>>>>>>I haven't taken a pharmaceutical drug in over 30+ years.
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> of shoes every day and you simply will not get athletes foot, no
> matter what the internal milieu is.

Of course what you've done is merely iterate the classic approach to fungi
...we all know it and sorry martin it doesn't always work and assumes some
basic things that aren't always the case.

And you forgot to say to burn your shoes after each wearing and fumigate
your bed, and don't let the cat or dog get anywhere you, and don't whatever
you do walk barefoot on the carpet. And if you do just happen to get one (1)
spore of a fungi that can cause athletes foot (and there are a few so I've)
its back to square one ...you have to start the procedure all over again.
You forgot to mention Martin that these simple recommendations of yours
aren't very time consuming, just tell your mother how to do it and monitor
her, or if you don't live at home you can get some help from the classifieds
to find a good efficient cleaning lady, but make sure you check her
references there because some of them are kleptomaniacs.

YOu're a clown Martin and no absolutely nothing about alternative health
...you are an embarrassment to this ng and an apologist for the
pharmacetical companies.

Shame, shame, shame.

carole
www.cellsalts.net
Martin - 28 Sep 2008 00:43 GMT
>>>>>>>How often to you go to the quack for a prescription?
>>>>>>>I haven't taken a pharmaceutical drug in over 30+ years.
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>
>Of course what you've done is merely iterate the classic approach to fungi

If it's classic, it must be good right? Classic is from the time from
*before* the Rockefellers. You know, from before all knowledge was
corrupted.

>...we all know it and sorry martin it doesn't always work and assumes some
>basic things that aren't always the case.
>
>And you forgot to say to burn your shoes after each wearing

If you actually have athletes foot, using some fungi killiing powder
would be good.

> and fumigate your bed, and don't let the cat or dog get anywhere you

That might be for lice, not fungi.

> , and don't whatever you do walk barefoot on the carpet.

I do it all the time. No athletes foot. How is that possible?

> And if you do just happen to get one (1)
>spore of a fungi that can cause athletes foot (and there are a few so I've)
>its back to square one ...you have to start the procedure all over again.

Carole, you're the one who gets athlete's foot all the time, not me.
What does that tell you? I'll spell it out for you: it means I'm doing
it right and you're doing it wrong. The proof is in the pudding.

>You forgot to mention Martin that these simple recommendations of yours
>aren't very time consuming,

Oh yes, and adjusting the 'balance' of your cellsalts continuously is
not a timesink. Right.

> just tell your mother how to do it and monitor
>her, or if you don't live at home you can get some help from the classifieds
>to find a good efficient cleaning lady, but make sure you check her
>references there because some of them are kleptomaniacs.

Carole, just because you are incapable of filling a bucket of water
and bleach twice (or even once) a week doesn't mean everybody is.

>YOu're a clown Martin and no absolutely nothing about alternative health
>...you are an embarrassment to this ng and an apologist for the
>pharmacetical companies.

You mean Big Pharma also owns all the sock and shoe companies? And
bleach factories?

>Shame, shame, shame.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

>carole
>www.cellsalts.net
Carole - 28 Sep 2008 01:43 GMT
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:09:01 GMT, "Carole" <hubbca@iimetro.com.au>

>>Of course what you've done is merely iterate the classic approach to fungi
>
> If it's classic, it must be good right? Classic is from the time from
> *before* the Rockefellers. You know, from before all knowledge was
> corrupted.

We all know the classic treatment but it doesn't always work and there are
hard to treat and resistant cases.

>>...we all know it and sorry martin it doesn't always work and assumes some
>>basic things that aren't always the case.
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> If you actually have athletes foot, using some fungi killiing powder
> would be good.

If only it was always that simple. For difficult, persistant and hard to
treat cases you need to look a bit further than just foot powder.

>> and fumigate your bed, and don't let the cat or dog get anywhere you
>
> That might be for lice, not fungi.

Not at all. Fungi get into bedclothes and into the fur of animals. You
should know that - there are zillions of spores and they are everywhere.

>> , and don't whatever you do walk barefoot on the carpet.
>
> I do it all the time. No athletes foot. How is that possible?

Maybe you never actually had athletes foot.

>> And if you do just happen to get one (1)
>>spore of a fungi that can cause athletes foot (and there are a few so
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> What does that tell you? I'll spell it out for you: it means I'm doing
> it right and you're doing it wrong. The proof is in the pudding.

Not at all Martin. Maybe you never really had athletes foot. Did you get a
lab analysis?
Some people have terrible problems with fungi. Athletes foot can be made up
of different types of fungi too and you have to get them all. Then there is
nail fungi and we've all seen pictures of people with chronically infected
nails, haven't we?
But then you probably deny that such a condition exists and just a mere
whiff of anti-fungal powder will solve all.

>>You forgot to mention Martin that these simple recommendations of yours
>>aren't very time consuming,
>
> Oh yes, and adjusting the 'balance' of your cellsalts continuously is
> not a timesink. Right.

So if you're going to spend so much time and effort getting rid of fungi you
may as well do it right and treat the cause, or is that too simple for you?

>> just tell your mother how to do it and monitor
>>her, or if you don't live at home you can get some help from the
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> Carole, just because you are incapable of filling a bucket of water
> and bleach twice (or even once) a week doesn't mean everybody is.

But Martin what about cross infection from the other numerous sources I've
mentioned.
And just killing the fungi doesn't get to the root cause of the problem ie a
the toxic condition of the body. You can do all your cleaning routine with
bleach and anti-fungal this and that, but what then? If you don't get to the
root cause you will just end up with something more insidious. May as well
get it right the first time, don't you think?

>>YOu're a clown Martin and no absolutely nothing about alternative health
>>...you are an embarrassment to this ng and an apologist for the
>>pharmacetical companies.
>
> You mean Big Pharma also owns all the sock and shoe companies? And
> bleach factories?

I won't dignify that stupidity with a response.

carole
www.cellsalts.net
Martin - 28 Sep 2008 13:56 GMT
>> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:09:01 GMT, "Carole" <hubbca@iimetro.com.au>
>
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>If only it was always that simple. For difficult, persistant and hard to
>treat cases you need to look a bit further than just foot powder.

Yes indeed, you should. You may be infected with a resistant strain.
You may be in regular contact with another source of the fungus. I
hope you did read I did not recommend footpowder only as a treatment,
but a combined approach? Without any pharmaceutical drugs I might add.

>>> and fumigate your bed, and don't let the cat or dog get anywhere you
>>
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>
>Maybe you never actually had athletes foot.

Carole, when it comes to making up excuses that make it so that you
are always right, you're a real master! Let me see:
- it looked and felt like athletes foot
- my mother looked at it and said it was athletes foot
- my doctor confirmed it was athletes foot
- some other people who had used the same shower at the gym around the
same time as I did complained they had athletes foot
- I got a treatment for athletes foot and it worked.
So maybe, just maybe, I really really did have athletes foot.

>>> And if you do just happen to get one (1)
>>>spore of a fungi that can cause athletes foot (and there are a few so
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>But then you probably deny that such a condition exists and just a mere
>whiff of anti-fungal powder will solve all.

Carole, try to read what I write. I never claimed a mere wiff of
powder will solve all.

>>>You forgot to mention Martin that these simple recommendations of yours
>>>aren't very time consuming,
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>So if you're going to spend so much time and effort getting rid of fungi you
>may as well do it right and treat the cause, or is that too simple for you?

So let me get this straight Carole:
you think putting on fresh socks everyday and wearing slippers in
public baths/showers is a lot of effort, while at the same time you
claim you have no problems with your personal hygiene?
I'm sorry, but something doesn't add up here.

>>> just tell your mother how to do it and monitor
>>>her, or if you don't live at home you can get some help from the
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>But Martin what about cross infection from the other numerous sources I've
>mentioned.

Explain to me how the hell the vast majority of humanity is able to go
through life without ever getting athletes foot by taking the simple
measures I mentioned. If you're right, we should all be riddled with
fungi and Carole, I got news for you, we are not. Maybe you are, but
the vast majority of humans are simply not.

>And just killing the fungi doesn't get to the root cause of the problem ie a
>the toxic condition of the body. You can do all your cleaning routine with
>bleach and anti-fungal this and that, but what then? If you don't get to the
>root cause you will just end up with something more insidious. May as well
>get it right the first time, don't you think?

So that's your excuse for not keeping yourself and your house clean. I
see.
And Carole, if you got it right, you should not have returning
athletes foot. But you do. If I am wrong, I should have returning
athletes foor. But I don't. The simple and logical conclusion is that
you're wrong and I'm right. The proof is, again, in the pudding.

>>>YOu're a clown Martin and no absolutely nothing about alternative health
>>>...you are an embarrassment to this ng and an apologist for the
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>
>I won't dignify that stupidity with a response.

You just did.

>carole
>www.cellsalts.net
Mark Probert - 29 Sep 2008 12:47 GMT
> > On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:09:01 GMT, "Carole" <hub...@iimetro.com.au>
>
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>
> I won't dignify that stupidity with a response.

Moron, you just did.
Jan Drew - 28 Sep 2008 03:31 GMT
>> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:51:39 GMT, "Carole" <hubbca@iimetro.com.au>
>> wrote:
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> carole
> www.cellsalts.net

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D. C. Sessions - 28 Sep 2008 00:36 GMT
> I say cancer may be a fungus ...Dr Simoncini (italian oncologist) thinks
> so and why not? Have you got any reason to think its not a fungus?

Well, tumors are white.  Fungi are white.  Therefore, tumors *must*
be fungi!  It's obvious, isn't it?  (Well, except that tumors aren't
necessarily white, nor are fungi.  Then there's the little matter of
tumor cells being rather distinctly human, down to gene sequences, but
never let details like that get in the way.)

> Does
> modern medicine have any idea what cancer is -- no they don't, it is still
> a mystery like all chronic disease they are unable to cure.

Well, more like "modern medicine has very clear ideas what cancer is but
Carole doesn't understand them and so they're just noise and can be
ignored."

| The brighter the stupid burns, the more |
| chance that someone will see the light. |
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Richard Schultz - 28 Sep 2008 05:44 GMT
: I haven't taken a pharmaceutical drug in over 30+ years.

We can tell.

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Jan Drew - 29 Sep 2008 05:06 GMT
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