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Anonymous - 28 Aug 2008 02:05 GMT read the truth here:
http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/butter.html
My wife and I switched to butter after the Nurse's Health study said it was ssfer than margarine.
Juhana Harju - 28 Aug 2008 12:39 GMT > http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/butter.html Contrary to what is written there, butter is not a notable source of vitamin K2. Good sources of vitamin K2 are some cheeses (Dutch Edam and Gouda), chicken, turkey, and especially the Japanese fermented soyfood /natto/.
 Signature Juhana
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Andy - 28 Aug 2008 20:47 GMT Anonymous said...
> read the truth here: > > http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/butter.html > > My wife and I switched to butter after the Nurse's > Health study said it was ssfer than margarine. I grew up raised on margarine.
As young teenagers, my #1 Bud's Mom would always make us the BEST real buttered grilled cheese sandwiches! That's how I learned. "Mom, can I have dinner over at Don's house tonight? Please??" Don's Mom would always get on the phone to Mom and lie to her. "Chicken and rice." "Yes and milk!" LOL!!! She thought my Mom was nuts using margarine, and told me so!
And the cycle would repeat. Then I got acne! STRI-DEX, Phisohex. Crime of the century.
And I think Mom could tell a butter shirt stain from a margarine one but she never said a thing.
When I left home for college I jumped ship to butter.
Given butter's purity, it's still way better than margarine! In the same vein that marijuana is way better than alcohol.
I did know how to cook with butter and marijuana, a little of this, a little of that and [pluck] ONE hair of newt. :D
Andy <@)
Jan Drew - 29 Aug 2008 04:07 GMT "Andy" <q>
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> Anonymous said... > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Andy > <@) Kaz Kylheku - 30 Aug 2008 03:39 GMT > Anonymous said... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I grew up raised on margarine. I grew up in Slovakia, until age 10. Margarine was regarded as an inferior substitute for butter that older people remembered from World War II. We didn't eat it! We also didn't have crap like Cool Whip, only real whipped cream.
How ironic that we were eating better than people in America!
Ron Peterson - 28 Aug 2008 21:56 GMT > http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/butter.html
> My wife and I switched to butter after the Nurse's > Health study said it was ssfer than margarine. Westonaprice.org deserves a lot of skepticism.
Butter has considerable saturated fat which can lead to atherosclerosis.
Margarine in the past had a considerable amount of transfats which are more dangerous than saturated fats. Currently, saturated fats are being substituted for the transfats, so the danger of atherosclerosis isn't reduced.
Many people are dipping their bread in olive oil instead of using margarine or butter and avoiding the health danger.
Of course, nut butters are another healthy addition to breads.
-- Ron
vernono - 29 Aug 2008 00:23 GMT On Aug 27, 8:05 pm, Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote:
> http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/butter.html
> My wife and I switched to butter after the Nurse's > Health study said it was ssfer than margarine. Westonaprice.org deserves a lot of skepticism.
Butter has considerable saturated fat which can lead to atherosclerosis.
Margarine in the past had a considerable amount of transfats which are more dangerous than saturated fats. Currently, saturated fats are being substituted for the transfats, so the danger of atherosclerosis isn't reduced.
Many people are dipping their bread in olive oil instead of using margarine or butter and avoiding the health danger.
Of course, nut butters are another healthy addition to breads.
-- Ron Margerine yesterday and today is hydogenated fat, THE worst kind of fat.
Butter is NOT dangerous unless one goes by 1970s research or takes half pound a day.
Jan Drew - 29 Aug 2008 04:16 GMT > On Aug 27, 8:05 pm, Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Butter is NOT dangerous unless one goes by 1970s research or takes half > pound a day. http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/butter.html
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"Better Butter" has half the saturated fat of regular butter and, unlike most margarines, negligible amounts of hazardous trans-fatty acids. Another advantage: It spreads well at refrigerator temperature.
Ron Peterson - 29 Aug 2008 04:40 GMT > Margerine yesterday and today is hydogenated fat, THE worst kind of fat. Hydrogenated fat can contain both saturated fat and trans fats. Saturated fat created by hydrogenation isn't different from other saturated fats.
> Butter is NOT dangerous unless one goes by 1970s research or takes half > pound a day. Atherosclerosis. 1997 May;131(1):7-16 says: "Based on the total/HDL cholesterol ratio, replacement of 30 g of butter per day by soft tub margarines would theoretically predict a reduction in coronary heart disease risk of 10%, while replacement of butter by hard, high-trans margarines would have no effect. Replacing butter by low-trans soft margarines favorably affects the blood lipoprotein profile and may reduce the predicted risk of coronary heart disease, but high-trans hard margarines probably confer no benefit over butter."
-- Ron
Szczepan Bia³ek - 29 Aug 2008 17:06 GMT "vernono"
> Margerine yesterday and today is hydogenated fat, THE worst kind of fat. > > Butter is NOT dangerous unless one goes by 1970s research or takes half > pound a day. For 200 years before "yesterday" margarine was made of the beef fats. It is important to know that. S*
jay - 28 Aug 2008 21:58 GMT > ... butter ... FYI:
A worldwide survey of polychlorinated dibenzo-p-dioxins, dibenzofurans, and related contaminants in butter. The main source of human exposure to persistent organic pollutants (POPs) is, in general, food. In this study, 64 butter samples from 37 countries were analyzed to assess the global contamination of polychlorinated dibenzo-p-dioxins (PCDDs), dibenzofurans (PCDFs), biphenyls (PCBs), hexachlorobenzene (HCB), and 2,2-bis (4- chlorophenyl)-1,1,1-trichloroethane (DDT) together with its major metabolites. The objectives of the study were to assess the presence of major organohalogen contaminants in butter, to trace geographical differences, and to determine toxic equivalents (TEQs) of PCDDs/Fs and dioxin-like PCBs in butter. The highest PCDD/F concentrations were found in butter from Korea with an average of 1.4 pg TEQ g(-1) lipid weight (l.w.). from PCDD/F and an additional contribution from the non- and mono-ortho-PCBs of 0.55 pg TEQ g(-1) l.w. Belgian butter showed average levels of 0.53 and 1.2 pg TEQ g(-1) l.w. for PCDDs/Fs and PCBs, respectively, but one sample of Belgium butter had a total TEQ level as high as 4.0 pg TEQ g(-1) l.w. Three out of five butter samples from Portugal showed similarly high PCDD/F TEQ levels. The sigmaPCB levels in European butter appeared to be somewhat higher than in the samples from the rest of the world. The average contribution of CB-153 to the total PCB concentration was 22% (SD 6.4, coefficient of variation 29%). Generally, the PCBs contributed around 60% of the total TEQ value, with CB-126 contributing approximately half of this value. This shows the important TEQ contribution from dioxinlike PCBs to the total TEQs. The highest HCB levels were found in butter samples from Russia, Ukraine, Belgium, and Slovenia. Low levels of HCB in butter were generally found in the Southern Hemisphere. Butter samples from countries from Eastern Europe had elevated sigmaDDT concentrations, with a particularly high concentration in Ukraine butter, followed by some Russian samples, Brazil, and the U.S. PMID: 16521833
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs225/en/ .... tolerable monthly intake (PTMI) of 70 picogram/kg per month.
A 180 lb person consuming 48g of Belgium butter (approx 1/2 a stick) in one day will have ingested the maximum tolerable amount of dioxin.
http://www.newcastleyoga.com.au/links/Food%20AGEs%20text.pdf Advance Glycation Products (AGEs) in selected foods prepared by standard cooking methods:
Food item AGE (kU/g or /mL of food) Fats Almonds, roasted 66.5 kU/g Oil, olive 120 kU/mL Butter 265 kU/g Mayonnaise 94 kU/g
Proteins Chicken breast, broiled15 min 58 kU/g Chicken breast, fried15 min 61 kU/g Beef, boiled1 h 22 kU/g Beef, broiled15 min 60 kU/g Tuna, roasted40 min 6 kU/g Tuna, broiled10 min 51 kU/g Cheese, American 87 kU/g Cheese, Brie 56 kU/g Egg, fried 27 kU/g Egg yolk, boiled 12 kU/g Tofu, raw 8 kU/g Tofu, broiled 41 kU/g
Carbohydrates Bread, whole-wheat center 0.54 kU/g Pancake, homemade 10 kU/g Milk, cow, whole 0.05 kU/mL Milk, human, whole 0.05 kU/mL Enfamil (infant formula) 4.86 kU/mL Apple 0.13 kU/g Banana 0.01 kU/g Carrots 0.1 kU/g Green beans 0.18 kU/g
vernono - 29 Aug 2008 00:29 GMT > ... butter ... FYI:
As reliable info as one would get from the Pharma industry.
jay - 28 Aug 2008 22:53 GMT > ... butter ... Spatial biomonitoring of persistent organic pollutants in Iran: a study using locally produced butter. Butter is a readily collected, integrative and inexpensive sampling matrix for the spatial mapping of persistent organic pollutants (POPs) at the national or regional scale. As air-plant-animal transfers generally supply the POPs reaching butter lipid, this study used butter for an initial evaluation of the occurrence, levels and distribution of POPs (selected organochlorine pesticides and PCBs) in Iran, a country for which very little information on usage, emissions and environmental burdens of these compounds exists. Fifty samples from rural and urban areas, in the north, west and central regions of the country were collected from local farms in spring 2007. Concentrations of p,p'-DDT and p,p'-DDE varied widely by a factor of approximately 1000 and approximately 370 (8450 pg g(-1) lipid and 46 800 pg g(-1) lipid on average). The highest levels, found mainly in urban areas in the centre of the country, were amongst the highest reported in the world. PCB concentrations (4320 pg g(-1) lipid on average) varied by a factor of approximately 160 and were highest close to urban centres and lowest in the rural northwest. Although Iran is not known for widespread PCB usage in the past, concentrations were higher than a 'global average' reported in a butter survey in 2001. This simple sampling approach could be adopted in other regions where cows graze, as part of an initial screening to help meet obligations under the Stockholm Convention. PMID: 18688454
Monitoring of some organochlorine pesticide residues of butter in Konya, Turkey. Some organochlorine pesticide residues were investigated in the samples of all local commercial butter brands sold in the supermarket in Konya (Turkey). Some of the samples were found to have the DDT complex (DDT, DDD, DDE and isomers), total HCH complex (alpha-HCH, beta-HCH, gamma-HCH), aldrin, dieldrin and endosulfan (I and II). Nearly 94% of the butter samples were found to be contaminated. Endrin and heptachlorine were detected in three and two samples, respectively, while 87% of samples were contaminated by one or more HCH isomers. 78% of the organochlorine pesticide was DDT and/or its metabolites. These results confirmed that butters sold in Konya presented organochlorine pesticide residues indicating a human exposure. PMID: 16334269
Monitoring of butter and ghee (clarified butter fat) for pesticidal contamination from cotton belt of Haryana, India. Butter (45) and ghee (55) samples were collected from rural and urban areas of cotton growing belt of Haryana and analysed for detecting the residues of organochlorine, synthetic pyrethroid and organophosphate insecticides. The estimation was carried out by using multi residue analytical technique employing GC-ECD and GC-NPD systems equipped with capillary columns. Butter samples were comparatively more contaminated (97%) than ghee (94%), showing more contamination with organochlorine insecticides from urban samples. About 11% samples of butter showed endosulfan residues above minimum residue limit (MRL) value and 2% samples had residues of synthetic pyrethroids and organophosphates each above their respective MRL values. In ghee, residues of HCH & DDT both and of endosulfan exceeded the MRL values in 5 and 20% samples, respectively. Among organophosphates, only chlorpyriphos was detected with 9% samples showing its residue above MRL value. Irrespective of contamination levels, residues above the MRL values were more in ghee. More extensive study covering other agricultural regions/zones of Haryana has been suggested to know the overall scenario of contamination of milk products. PMID: 15952515
Contamination of liquid milk and butter with pesticide residues in the Ludhiana district of Punjab state, India. An analysis of 92 samples of liquid milk from Ludhiana, India, during 1999-2001 revealed the presence of DDT in 6 (7.4%) samples and of these 2 samples were found to exceed the maximum residue limit (MRL) of DDT fixed at 0.05 mg kg(-1) (on a whole milk basis). HCH residues were detected in 49 (53.3%) samples and constituted only gamma-HCH (lindane). The MRL of lindane is fixed at 0.01 mg kg(-1) (whole milk basis), and all 49 liquid milk samples exceeded this value. These results are indicative of contamination of bovine milk with pesticide residues as a result of the ban on the use of DDT and HCH in agriculture and public health programs. Similarly, analysis of 40 samples of butter showed the presence of DDT and HCH in 28 and 8 samples, respectively. However, none of the samples exceeded the MRL value of either DDT or any isomer of HCH. DDT residues comprised mainly p,p-DDE and p,p-TDE, whereas HCH residues were present as lindane in 6 samples, and 2 samples revealed the presence of beta-HCH. The estimated daily intake of lindane through the consumption of contaminated liquid milk exceeded its acceptable daily intake value for children. Interestingly, none of the liquid milk or butter samples revealed the presence of any commonly used organophosphorus or synthetic pyrethroid insecticides at their detection limit of 0.01 mg kg(-1). PMID: 15388272
Persistent organochlorine pesticides in Mexican butter. Organochlorine pesticides have been used in Mexico in malaria control programmes against ectoparasites and as seed dresser. Owing to their chemical stability, they tend to accumulate in the lipid part of the organisms. The stored pesticides are excreted with the endogenous fat during milk production. The aim was to monitor the organochlorine pesticide levels in butter manufactured in Mexico. .... The decreased DDT levels in Mexican butters is caused by the substitution of organochlorine insecticides with pyrethroids used by the Mexican Ministry of Health since 1999 in sanitary programmes. PMID: 12775478
The global distribution of PCBs and organochlorine pesticides in butter. In this study we explored the use of butter as a sampling matrix to reflect the regional and global scale distribution of PCBs and selected organochlorine pesticides/metabolites in air. This was because persistent organic pollutants (POPs) concentrate in dairy fats, where concentrations are controlled by feed intake (primarily from pasture/silage), which is in turn primarily controlled by atmospheric deposition. Butter sigmaPCB concentrations varied by a factor of approximately 60 in 63 samples from 23 countries. They were highest in European and North American butter and lowest in southern hemisphere (Australian, New Zealand) samples, consistent with known patterns of historical global usage and estimated emissions. Concentrations in butter reflected differences in the propensity of PCB congeners to undergo long range atmospheric transport from global source regions to remote areas and the relatively even distribution of HCB in the global atmosphere. Concentrations of p,p'-DDT, p,p'-DDE, and HCH isomers all varied over many orders of magnitude in the butter samples, with highest levels in areas of current use (e.g. India and south/central America for DDT; India, China, and Spain for HCH). We conclude that butter is sensitive to local, regional, and global scale spatial and temporal atmospheric trends of many POPs and may therefore provide a useful sampling medium for monitoring purposes. However, to improve the quantitative information derived on air concentrations requires an awareness of climatic and livestock management factors which influence air-milk fat transfer processes. PMID: 11347908
Residues of polychlorinated biphenyls (PCB) in fatty foods of the Canadian diet. Market basket samples representative of food from six Canadian cities were surveyed from 1992 to 1996. Fifty composites of fatty foods, prepared for consumption were analysed for 40 PCB congeners by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry. Fish and butter contained the highest total PCB concentrations, while milk and infant foods contained the lowest. The dairy and meat composites were major contributors to the total PCB intake of 5.7 ng/kg/day, and to the TEQ (2,3,7,8-tetrachloro-p-dibenzodioxin equivalent) intake of 0.11 pg/kg/ day. The pattern of congeners was similar for the different food groups with the exception of fish, which contained less tri- and tetra- chlorinated biphenyls and more of the hexachlorinated congener No. 153. PMID: 9534869
For more related abstracts, search www.pubmed.com for "butter TCDD", "butter dioxin", "butter pesticide".
vernono - 29 Aug 2008 00:30 GMT >> ... butter ... > [quoted text clipped - 139 lines] > For more related abstracts, search www.pubmed.com for "butter TCDD", > "butter dioxin", "butter pesticide". As reliable info as one would get from the Pharma industry.
Dimitri - 29 Aug 2008 00:50 GMT >> ... butter ... > [quoted text clipped - 139 lines] > For more related abstracts, search www.pubmed.com for "butter TCDD", > "butter dioxin", "butter pesticide". No sh.t!
Dimitri
Graham - 28 Aug 2008 23:38 GMT > read the truth here: > > http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/butter.html > > My wife and I switched to butter after the Nurse's > Health study said it was ssfer than margarine. I'm suspicious of any organisation that promotes homeopathy as a treatment for high blood pressure.
Nevertheless, I prefer butter. I believe in (but don't always follow) "Moderation in all things" and "A little bit of what you fancy does you good."
Graham
vernono - 29 Aug 2008 00:32 GMT >> read the truth here: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Graham Hydrogenated fat (like margarine) is NEVER good for one.
Marvin L. Zinn - 29 Aug 2008 19:29 GMT Well, it is partly valid if I know what as put in the cow that made the milk from which butter is produced.
But I am absolutely certain that margarine was one of three causes of arthritis I had when a doctor expected surgery. I totally eliminated the problem by stopping margarine, anything fried, and process cheese. That was about 14 years ago, no arthritis has returned.
marvin
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