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CHILDREN 27-TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DEVELOP AUTISM WITH EXPOSURE TO MERCURY- CONTAINING VACCINES

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Ilena - 26 Feb 2004 22:28 GMT
http://www.mercola.com/2004/feb/25/vaccine_discovery.htm

CDC Vaccine Data Leads Scientists to Shocking Discovery


The Institute of Medicine held a meeting to review research that has
been found, which links thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative in
vaccines, and neurodevelopmental disorders such as autism. The panel
used data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC)
Vaccine Datalink, which concluded that children who are given three
thimerosal-containing vaccines are 27 times more likely to develop
autism than children who receive thimerosol-free vaccines.

Thimerosal has been gradually removed from vaccines since 1999,
however it is still present in some vaccinations, including virtually
all flu shots.

During the review, medical experts discussed the results from a study
that showed urinary mercury concentrations were six times higher in
children with autism, as opposed to normal-age/vaccine matched
controls. They also said that they found evidence that suggested the
link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism had a higher
risk than that between lung cancer and smoking cigarettes.

Yahoo! News February 9, 2004


http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040209/nem019_1.html

CDC Vaccine Data Leads Scientists to Shocking Discovery
Monday February 9, 9:20 am ET  
CHILDREN 27-TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DEVELOP AUTISM WITH EXPOSURE TO
MERCURY- CONTAINING VACCINES, FINDINGS REVIEWED AT TODAY'S IOM MEETING
IN DC

WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 /PRNewswire/ -- Today, the Institute of Medicine
will hold a one-day meeting to review important new research on the
link between thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative in vaccines, and
neurodevelopmental disorders such as autism. One of the larger studies
under review comes from the CDC's own Vaccine Safety Datalink. Under
independent investigation, CDC's data concludes children are 27-times
more likely to develop autism after exposure to three
thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs), than those who receive
thimerosal-free versions.
The findings are not only disturbing to government officials like U.S.
Rep. Dave Weldon, M.D. (R-FL), who is also scheduled to speak before
the IOM panel, they suggest autism via TCVs has a higher relative risk
than that between lung cancer and smoking, which according to the
American Cancer Society is only 22 for men and 11 for women. "This
absolutely confirms what parents have been saying for years," says Jo
Pike, President, National Autism Association. Like Pike, thousands of
parents have reported sharp regressions in their children following a
TCV and many of those children have gone on to receive a label of
autism. An easy mistake to make since the symptoms of autism and
mercury poisoning are almost identical.

Dr. Mark Geier is the lead investigator in the discovery. A medical
doctor with a Ph.D. in genetics, he, along with fellow researcher,
David Geier, will discuss their findings of the CDC data in front of
an IOM panel. Among a host of other physicians and researchers
presenting will be Dr. Jeff Bradstreet. He will discuss the results
from his peer-reviewed study which concluded that urinary mercury
concentrations were six times higher in children with autism vs.
normal-age/vaccine-matched controls.

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Jeff - 27 Feb 2004 12:37 GMT
Don't believe everything you read.

Please show us the evidence, not the press reports.

Various groups have investigated the safety of thimerosal in vaccines, and
none have found any compelling evidence to suggest that ethylmercury causes
autism.

Jeff
Bew - 27 Feb 2004 20:18 GMT
You guys crack me up , " Don't believe everything you read " , indeed .
Of course you sycophants to the drug companies don't believe everything they
tell you , right ? , not much - you swallow it hook line and sinker .

> Don't believe everything you read.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Jeff
HCN - 27 Feb 2004 20:28 GMT
> You guys crack me up , " Don't believe everything you read " , indeed .
> Of course you sycophants to the drug companies don't believe everything they
> tell you , right ? , not much - you swallow it hook line and sinker .

...

Just like swallowing apricot pits will cure cancer.

So, what proof do you have that thimerosal (which is no longer in most
pediartic vaccines) causes autism?  Try to find proof that has not been
generated by a law firm.
DRCEEPHD - 28 Feb 2004 01:32 GMT
>Subject: Re: CHILDREN 27-TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DEVELOP AUTISM WITH EXPOSURE TO
>MERCURY- CONTAINING VACCINES
>From: "HCN" hcn@nospam.com
>Date: 2/27/04 3:28 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <7MN%b.133791$jk2.548619@attb

>So, what proof do you have that thimerosal (which is no longer in most
>pediartic vaccines) causes autism?  Try to find proof that has not been
>generated by a law firm.

Interesting.  The pharmaceutical industry gets the US congress to attach a
rider to the Patriot Act that will not allow the pharmaceutical industry to be
sued for any injuries caused by thimerosal ( mercury in vaccines ).   Why was
this necessary and why did congress do it??? Why is thimerosal being phased
out?? I think the cigarette industry and the asbestos industry missed the boat
on how to avoid liability for mass disease and death.

Now that the pharmaceutical industry cannot be sued, why would any law firm be
interested in putting out millions of dollars for the studies?  Then again, now
that they cannot be sued, maybe the drug firms will spend billions to prove
they killed and maimed millions of children.

F A T   C H A N C E, D U D E !

DrC PhD.
David Wright - 28 Feb 2004 05:12 GMT
>>Subject: Re: CHILDREN 27-TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DEVELOP AUTISM WITH EXPOSURE TO
>>MERCURY- CONTAINING VACCINES
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>sued for any injuries caused by thimerosal ( mercury in vaccines ).   Why was
>this necessary and why did congress do it???

Because the pharm companies wanted to avoid being sued over this
non-issue.  However, if I recall correctly, the provision was either
excised or was later rescinded.

>Why is thimerosal being phased out?? I think the cigarette industry
>and the asbestos industry missed the boat on how to avoid liability
>for mass disease and death.

With the slight difference that cigarettes really do cause lung cancer
and other diseases, and asbestos really does cause cancer.

<remainder of "Dr" Cee's rant excised, since it's assuming non-facts>

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
      "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
          were standing on my shoulders."  (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Jan - 28 Feb 2004 06:00 GMT
>Subject: Re: CHILDREN 27-TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DEVELOP AUTISM WITH EXPOSURE TO
>MERCURY- CONTAINING VACCINES
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>Because the pharm companies wanted to avoid being sued over this
>non-issue

Thimerosal (highly toxic mercury) is a non issue, to David.

>However, if I recall correctly, the provision was either
>excised or was later rescinded.
>
>>Why is thimerosal being phased out?? I think the cigarette industry
>>and the asbestos industry missed the boat on how to avoid liability
>>for mass disease and death.

>With the slight difference that cigarettes really do cause lung cancer
>and other diseases, and asbestos really does cause cancer.

Umm.

>Why is thimerosal being phased out??

><remainder of "Dr" Cee's rant excised, since it's assuming non-facts>

Translation:

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

>Now that the pharmaceutical industry cannot be sued, why would any law firm be
interested in putting out millions of dollars for the studies?  Then again, now
that they cannot be sued, maybe the drug firms will spend billions to prove
they killed and maimed millions of children.

>F A T   C H A N C E, D U D E !
HCN - 28 Feb 2004 20:37 GMT
...> <remainder of "Dr" Cee's rant excised, since it's assuming non-facts>

...  which is why he is in my killfile.
Jan - 28 Feb 2004 02:57 GMT
>Subject: Re: CHILDREN 27-TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DEVELOP AUTISM WITH EXPOSURE TO
>MERCURY- CONTAINING VACCINES
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>pediartic vaccines) causes autism?  Try to find proof that has not been
>generated by a law firm.

http://www.iom.edu/IOM/IOMHome.nsf/Pages/MMR+Autism+Summary

Though the MMR-autism question

***appear to be resolved,***

science is always a work in progress; a conclusion is only as good as the
methods of the analysis. The epidemiological studies, traditional public health
tools used to examine the risk factors for a disease on a population level,were
at a disadvantage here because there is little variation in exposure to MMR
since children in most developed countries are vaccinated similarly.

***Furthermore, the difficulties in diagnosing and determining the exact onset
of autism in children make it difficult to design appropriate studies and
compare the results from those studies.

*** The committee acknowledges they could **not rule out another
possibility***--that MMR vaccine could contribute to ASDin a small number of
children--

***because existing epidemiological tools may not have enough precision
todetect the occurrence of rare effects like ASD.***

"Attention should be given to how the material is perceived and used by those
with the right and desire to know--***the parents of children about to be
immunized or those who believe theirchild has been adversely affected," the
committee says. "Direct input from parents and other stakeholders would be
invaluable in conducting a systematic and effective evaluation of current
communication tools."***

Jan
Rich Shewmaker - 27 Feb 2004 20:47 GMT
> You guys crack me up , " Don't believe everything you read " , indeed .
> Of course you sycophants to the drug companies don't believe everything they
> tell you , right ? , not much - you swallow it hook line and sinker .

Wrong, again, "sweetie." Let me give you an example of how resistant doctors
can be to the "hook."

In the late 1990's, scientists discovered that people with congestive heart
failure (CHF) had high levels of a hormone called b-type natriuretic peptide
(BNP). From this, they developed a test for BNP that could be done in
hospital laboratories, so for the first time a simple blood test could
detect the presence of CHF and indicate its severity. This is important,
because CHF was previously diagnosed from clinical symptoms, chest x-rays,
and echocardiography, all of which can mistake heart failure for other
conditions. The BNP test is now commonly available, and CHF in not so often
underdiagnosed as it was.

Scientists also found that this increased level of BNP is beneficial to
patients with CHF because it increases the secretion of other hormones that
increase the elimination of sodium, relax the blood vessels, and reduce the
load on the heart. Studies showed that increasing the levels of BNP
artificially benefited some CHP patients. So in August of 2001, the drug
company Scios introduced a synthetic BNP as a medication (Natrecor?) with
the usual advertising hype and hoopla.

What has happened since then, is that while the BNP test is widely accepted
and greatly appreciated by doctors, The medication has fallen flat. It's
recommended use is as an adjunct to the already effective medications in
standard practice, and the doctors cannot readily see any additional benefit
to the patient. Besides, the drug is somewhat difficult to prescribe and
administer, and is very expensive. Doctors have hardly swallowed this
product "hook, line, and sinker."

Despite what you may believe, doctors are quite independent from the
pharmaceutical companies, and they really do have the welfare of their
patients as a first priority.

--Rich
Anth - 29 Feb 2004 20:36 GMT
[snip]

> Despite what you may believe, doctors are quite independent from the
> pharmaceutical companies, and they really do have the welfare of their
> patients as a first priority.

Doctors may indeed have, but the pharma companies have already demonstratedd
they have not - that's why they formed the illegal vitamin cartels.
Money concerns them more than the health of the people.
Shame really that they control the vast majority of the research.

> --Rich

Anth
Gymmy Bob - 29 Feb 2004 21:07 GMT
I have to agree with you on that one Anth but   the doctor's may conciously
have the patients welfare at heart but behind the scenes they do not because
of the pharm giant push on them.

Doctors hand out all kinds of crap based solely upon the pharm giants
recommendations and have never checked alternate sources for confirmation of
validity.

> [snip]
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Anth
Mark Probert-February 27, 2004 - 27 Feb 2004 21:41 GMT
> > Don't believe everything you read.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> >
> > Jeff

> You guys crack me up , " Don't believe everything you read " , indeed .
> Of course you sycophants to the drug companies don't believe everything they
> tell you , right ? , not much - you swallow it hook line and sinker .

Of course, you have mounds of data to refute jeff's statements? Care to
share?
Jan - 27 Feb 2004 22:22 GMT
>Subject: Re: CHILDREN 27-TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DEVELOP AUTISM WITH EXPOSURE TO
>MERCURY- CONTAINING VACCINES
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Jeff

ZZzz

Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut* *reasonable*
*significant* *credibile* *compelling*

http://www.testfoundation.org/thimerosal.htm

http://www.testfoundation.org/notcrackpot.htm

Jan
Jonathan Smith - 27 Feb 2004 22:30 GMT
> Don't believe everything you read.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Jeff

The IOM meeting presentation slides are now available on line.

With the notable exception of Geier and Geier, the presentations
confirm that that there is no evidence of a link between thimerosal
exposure and autism.  The studies presented run the4 gamut of design,
data source, and hypotheses.

http://www.iom.edu/event.asp?id=17047

The pressrelease statement "Under independent investigation, CDC's
data concludes children are 27-times more likely to develop autism
after exposure to three thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs), than
those who receive thimerosal-free versions." is not correct.

OK - Roger and JG, try and argue why it is true.

js
 
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