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CHILDREN 27-TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DEVELOP AUTISM WITH EXPOSURE TO MERCURY- CONTAINING VACCINES
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Ilena - 26 Feb 2004 22:28 GMT http://www.mercola.com/2004/feb/25/vaccine_discovery.htm
CDC Vaccine Data Leads Scientists to Shocking Discovery
The Institute of Medicine held a meeting to review research that has been found, which links thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative in vaccines, and neurodevelopmental disorders such as autism. The panel used data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) Vaccine Datalink, which concluded that children who are given three thimerosal-containing vaccines are 27 times more likely to develop autism than children who receive thimerosol-free vaccines.
Thimerosal has been gradually removed from vaccines since 1999, however it is still present in some vaccinations, including virtually all flu shots.
During the review, medical experts discussed the results from a study that showed urinary mercury concentrations were six times higher in children with autism, as opposed to normal-age/vaccine matched controls. They also said that they found evidence that suggested the link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism had a higher risk than that between lung cancer and smoking cigarettes.
Yahoo! News February 9, 2004
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040209/nem019_1.html
CDC Vaccine Data Leads Scientists to Shocking Discovery Monday February 9, 9:20 am ET CHILDREN 27-TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DEVELOP AUTISM WITH EXPOSURE TO MERCURY- CONTAINING VACCINES, FINDINGS REVIEWED AT TODAY'S IOM MEETING IN DC
WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 /PRNewswire/ -- Today, the Institute of Medicine will hold a one-day meeting to review important new research on the link between thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative in vaccines, and neurodevelopmental disorders such as autism. One of the larger studies under review comes from the CDC's own Vaccine Safety Datalink. Under independent investigation, CDC's data concludes children are 27-times more likely to develop autism after exposure to three thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs), than those who receive thimerosal-free versions. The findings are not only disturbing to government officials like U.S. Rep. Dave Weldon, M.D. (R-FL), who is also scheduled to speak before the IOM panel, they suggest autism via TCVs has a higher relative risk than that between lung cancer and smoking, which according to the American Cancer Society is only 22 for men and 11 for women. "This absolutely confirms what parents have been saying for years," says Jo Pike, President, National Autism Association. Like Pike, thousands of parents have reported sharp regressions in their children following a TCV and many of those children have gone on to receive a label of autism. An easy mistake to make since the symptoms of autism and mercury poisoning are almost identical.
Dr. Mark Geier is the lead investigator in the discovery. A medical doctor with a Ph.D. in genetics, he, along with fellow researcher, David Geier, will discuss their findings of the CDC data in front of an IOM panel. Among a host of other physicians and researchers presenting will be Dr. Jeff Bradstreet. He will discuss the results from his peer-reviewed study which concluded that urinary mercury concentrations were six times higher in children with autism vs. normal-age/vaccine-matched controls.
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Jeff - 27 Feb 2004 12:37 GMT Don't believe everything you read.
Please show us the evidence, not the press reports.
Various groups have investigated the safety of thimerosal in vaccines, and none have found any compelling evidence to suggest that ethylmercury causes autism.
Jeff
Bew - 27 Feb 2004 20:18 GMT You guys crack me up , " Don't believe everything you read " , indeed . Of course you sycophants to the drug companies don't believe everything they tell you , right ? , not much - you swallow it hook line and sinker .
> Don't believe everything you read. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jeff HCN - 27 Feb 2004 20:28 GMT > You guys crack me up , " Don't believe everything you read " , indeed . > Of course you sycophants to the drug companies don't believe everything they > tell you , right ? , not much - you swallow it hook line and sinker . ...
Just like swallowing apricot pits will cure cancer.
So, what proof do you have that thimerosal (which is no longer in most pediartic vaccines) causes autism? Try to find proof that has not been generated by a law firm.
DRCEEPHD - 28 Feb 2004 01:32 GMT >Subject: Re: CHILDREN 27-TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DEVELOP AUTISM WITH EXPOSURE TO >MERCURY- CONTAINING VACCINES >From: "HCN" hcn@nospam.com >Date: 2/27/04 3:28 PM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <7MN%b.133791$jk2.548619@attb
>So, what proof do you have that thimerosal (which is no longer in most >pediartic vaccines) causes autism? Try to find proof that has not been >generated by a law firm. Interesting. The pharmaceutical industry gets the US congress to attach a rider to the Patriot Act that will not allow the pharmaceutical industry to be sued for any injuries caused by thimerosal ( mercury in vaccines ). Why was this necessary and why did congress do it??? Why is thimerosal being phased out?? I think the cigarette industry and the asbestos industry missed the boat on how to avoid liability for mass disease and death.
Now that the pharmaceutical industry cannot be sued, why would any law firm be interested in putting out millions of dollars for the studies? Then again, now that they cannot be sued, maybe the drug firms will spend billions to prove they killed and maimed millions of children.
F A T C H A N C E, D U D E !
DrC PhD.
David Wright - 28 Feb 2004 05:12 GMT >>Subject: Re: CHILDREN 27-TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DEVELOP AUTISM WITH EXPOSURE TO >>MERCURY- CONTAINING VACCINES [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >sued for any injuries caused by thimerosal ( mercury in vaccines ). Why was >this necessary and why did congress do it??? Because the pharm companies wanted to avoid being sued over this non-issue. However, if I recall correctly, the provision was either excised or was later rescinded.
>Why is thimerosal being phased out?? I think the cigarette industry >and the asbestos industry missed the boat on how to avoid liability >for mass disease and death. With the slight difference that cigarettes really do cause lung cancer and other diseases, and asbestos really does cause cancer.
<remainder of "Dr" Cee's rant excised, since it's assuming non-facts>
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Jan - 28 Feb 2004 06:00 GMT >Subject: Re: CHILDREN 27-TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DEVELOP AUTISM WITH EXPOSURE TO >MERCURY- CONTAINING VACCINES [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >Because the pharm companies wanted to avoid being sued over this >non-issue Thimerosal (highly toxic mercury) is a non issue, to David.
>However, if I recall correctly, the provision was either >excised or was later rescinded. > >>Why is thimerosal being phased out?? I think the cigarette industry >>and the asbestos industry missed the boat on how to avoid liability >>for mass disease and death.
>With the slight difference that cigarettes really do cause lung cancer >and other diseases, and asbestos really does cause cancer. Umm.
>Why is thimerosal being phased out??
><remainder of "Dr" Cee's rant excised, since it's assuming non-facts> Translation:
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
>Now that the pharmaceutical industry cannot be sued, why would any law firm be interested in putting out millions of dollars for the studies? Then again, now that they cannot be sued, maybe the drug firms will spend billions to prove they killed and maimed millions of children.
>F A T C H A N C E, D U D E ! HCN - 28 Feb 2004 20:37 GMT ...> <remainder of "Dr" Cee's rant excised, since it's assuming non-facts>
... which is why he is in my killfile.
Jan - 28 Feb 2004 02:57 GMT >Subject: Re: CHILDREN 27-TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DEVELOP AUTISM WITH EXPOSURE TO >MERCURY- CONTAINING VACCINES [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >pediartic vaccines) causes autism? Try to find proof that has not been >generated by a law firm. http://www.iom.edu/IOM/IOMHome.nsf/Pages/MMR+Autism+Summary
Though the MMR-autism question
***appear to be resolved,***
science is always a work in progress; a conclusion is only as good as the methods of the analysis. The epidemiological studies, traditional public health tools used to examine the risk factors for a disease on a population level,were at a disadvantage here because there is little variation in exposure to MMR since children in most developed countries are vaccinated similarly.
***Furthermore, the difficulties in diagnosing and determining the exact onset of autism in children make it difficult to design appropriate studies and compare the results from those studies.
*** The committee acknowledges they could **not rule out another possibility***--that MMR vaccine could contribute to ASDin a small number of children--
***because existing epidemiological tools may not have enough precision todetect the occurrence of rare effects like ASD.***
"Attention should be given to how the material is perceived and used by those with the right and desire to know--***the parents of children about to be immunized or those who believe theirchild has been adversely affected," the committee says. "Direct input from parents and other stakeholders would be invaluable in conducting a systematic and effective evaluation of current communication tools."***
Jan
Rich Shewmaker - 27 Feb 2004 20:47 GMT > You guys crack me up , " Don't believe everything you read " , indeed . > Of course you sycophants to the drug companies don't believe everything they > tell you , right ? , not much - you swallow it hook line and sinker . Wrong, again, "sweetie." Let me give you an example of how resistant doctors can be to the "hook."
In the late 1990's, scientists discovered that people with congestive heart failure (CHF) had high levels of a hormone called b-type natriuretic peptide (BNP). From this, they developed a test for BNP that could be done in hospital laboratories, so for the first time a simple blood test could detect the presence of CHF and indicate its severity. This is important, because CHF was previously diagnosed from clinical symptoms, chest x-rays, and echocardiography, all of which can mistake heart failure for other conditions. The BNP test is now commonly available, and CHF in not so often underdiagnosed as it was.
Scientists also found that this increased level of BNP is beneficial to patients with CHF because it increases the secretion of other hormones that increase the elimination of sodium, relax the blood vessels, and reduce the load on the heart. Studies showed that increasing the levels of BNP artificially benefited some CHP patients. So in August of 2001, the drug company Scios introduced a synthetic BNP as a medication (Natrecor?) with the usual advertising hype and hoopla.
What has happened since then, is that while the BNP test is widely accepted and greatly appreciated by doctors, The medication has fallen flat. It's recommended use is as an adjunct to the already effective medications in standard practice, and the doctors cannot readily see any additional benefit to the patient. Besides, the drug is somewhat difficult to prescribe and administer, and is very expensive. Doctors have hardly swallowed this product "hook, line, and sinker."
Despite what you may believe, doctors are quite independent from the pharmaceutical companies, and they really do have the welfare of their patients as a first priority.
--Rich
Anth - 29 Feb 2004 20:36 GMT [snip]
> Despite what you may believe, doctors are quite independent from the > pharmaceutical companies, and they really do have the welfare of their > patients as a first priority. Doctors may indeed have, but the pharma companies have already demonstratedd they have not - that's why they formed the illegal vitamin cartels. Money concerns them more than the health of the people. Shame really that they control the vast majority of the research.
> --Rich Anth
Gymmy Bob - 29 Feb 2004 21:07 GMT I have to agree with you on that one Anth but the doctor's may conciously have the patients welfare at heart but behind the scenes they do not because of the pharm giant push on them.
Doctors hand out all kinds of crap based solely upon the pharm giants recommendations and have never checked alternate sources for confirmation of validity.
> [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Anth Mark Probert-February 27, 2004 - 27 Feb 2004 21:41 GMT > > Don't believe everything you read. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > > Jeff
> You guys crack me up , " Don't believe everything you read " , indeed . > Of course you sycophants to the drug companies don't believe everything they > tell you , right ? , not much - you swallow it hook line and sinker . Of course, you have mounds of data to refute jeff's statements? Care to share?
Jan - 27 Feb 2004 22:22 GMT >Subject: Re: CHILDREN 27-TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DEVELOP AUTISM WITH EXPOSURE TO >MERCURY- CONTAINING VACCINES [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Jeff ZZzz
Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut* *reasonable* *significant* *credibile* *compelling*
http://www.testfoundation.org/thimerosal.htm
http://www.testfoundation.org/notcrackpot.htm
Jan
Jonathan Smith - 27 Feb 2004 22:30 GMT > Don't believe everything you read. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jeff The IOM meeting presentation slides are now available on line.
With the notable exception of Geier and Geier, the presentations confirm that that there is no evidence of a link between thimerosal exposure and autism. The studies presented run the4 gamut of design, data source, and hypotheses.
http://www.iom.edu/event.asp?id=17047
The pressrelease statement "Under independent investigation, CDC's data concludes children are 27-times more likely to develop autism after exposure to three thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs), than those who receive thimerosal-free versions." is not correct.
OK - Roger and JG, try and argue why it is true.
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