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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / July 2008CHELATION THERAPY
http://www.whale.to/w/Chelation.html > http://www.whale.to/w/Chelation.html Too bad it doesn't work, and has been shown to cause mental deterioration in those who don't have toxic levels of heavy metals. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ <snip lies> >> http://www.whale.to/w/Chelation.html > > Too bad it doesn't work, and has been shown to cause > mental deterioration in those who don't have toxic levels > of heavy metals. Yeah, you mean like vaccines don't cause autism http://www.whale.to/vaccine/king.html or allopathy is the only viable cancer therapy http://www.whale.to/a/cancer_c.html or aids is caused by HIV http://www.whale.to/aids.html etc >"D. C. Sessions" <dcs@lumbercartel.com> wrote >> Too bad it doesn't work, and has been shown to cause >> mental deterioration in those who don't have toxic levels >> of heavy metals. > Yeah, you mean like vaccines don't cause autism I thought you decided a few months ago it was aluminium? However, it seems from whale.to that surely it must be parasites? How else would it be cured by the zapper? If this is so and the cure is so simple and cheap why are you promoting falsehoods such as mercury and MMR? Why put children through a dangerous and, by your own admission, unnecessary procedure instead of a quick zapping? > or allopathy is the only viable cancer therapy The truth as always is on whaleto: "Cancer is a simple failure of ones own pancreas to produce adequate activated pancreatin" "The direct cause of cancer, according to our research, is the changing of an ectopic germ cell into an ectopic trophoblast cell. An excess of female sex hormones brings about this change." "Eleven years ago I discovered that inexpensive zappers routinely cure cancer and AIDS" "defective cells are digested by the activated pancreatin. The white cells then pick up this goopy mess" "All persons who have Cancer will die from starvation" "Dr. Kelley still takes his daily enema" (Probably with some difficult by now as he will be fairly well decomposed) "Any zapper also generally lowers blood pressure permanently and in a fairly short time (presumably by destroying gteh fungi that perforate artery walls so that the body quickly re-absorbs the cholesterol/plaque 'patches'), also cures most of whatever else might ail someone" Why bother with coffee enemas when a simple box of electronics costing a few dollars will do the trick? > or aids is caused by HIV I thought it was caused by aliens. "A microwave beam of this nature will paralyse the victim, so they can be bundled into a black helicopter and airlifted away for experimentation. Once the procedure is complete, hypnosis can be used to plant false memories of alien abduction. In this way, real alien abductions can be used by the authorities to enable them to obtain a limitless supply of guinea pigs for their mind control experiments. " "The propaganda is then easily embedded with the strength of a Hypnotic command, with a second groupthink ring fence, based on the religious mind control programme, known as The Church of Allopathy" "The man in charge of the DARPA program, Dr. Jack Verona, is so important and so secretive that he doesn't even return President George Bush's telephone calls." In any case AIDS is cured (yet again) in a few moments by a "zapper" so what's the fuss about? I really don't know why you are promoting these false theories when it is plain for any visitor to your comprehensive web site to see that everything is caused by parasites and that the simple and always effective cure is the zapper. >>> http://www.whale.to/w/Chelation.html >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > http://www.whale.to/a/cancer_c.html > or aids is caused by HIV http://www.whale.to/aids.html Why are you trying to change the subject from the demonstrated fact that the drug in question is dangerous and should not be used on children? It's almost like you're trying to defend the pharmaceutical company that makes the stuff. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ Hey Sessions, what does the EPA know about mercury and disease that the FDA and the brain dead AMA and AAP does not? Consider: SMITHLAND, Ky. (AP) -- The buzz of an outboard motor sends pelicans skyward as Charlie Hopkins' skiff glides along the Ohio River to paddlefish nets placed beneath the murky surface. Kentucky wildlife officials want the authority to require caviar harvesters to turn over sales information, which would allow the agency to determine precisely how much is hitting the market. The state is also preparing to reissue its long-standing advisory warning that children and women of childbearing age should never eat the caviar, and that other healthy adults should eat it no more than six times a year. Tennessee officials went beyond a consumption advisory, opting to ban all commercial fishing on a 30-mile stretch of the Mississippi River around Memphis after contaminants, including mercury and chlordane, were found in fish there. Interesting, is it not? Women and children should not be exposed to mercury or chlordane? Why, the AAP and the AMA recommend it in their vaccines, especially the flu vaccines. Perhaps one agency's poison is another's pot of gold. DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. For some reason, you forgot to include the text you said you were quoting. I've restored it for you: > > Why are you trying to change the subject from the > > demonstrated fact that the drug in question is dangerous [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > mercury or chlordane? Why, the AAP and the AMA recommend it in their > vaccines, especially the flu vaccines. Man, you *are* desperate. Chlordane? You don't even know what chlordane is, obviously. > Perhaps one agency's poison is another's pot of gold. I can see why you deleted my comment -- you're another one trying to change the subject away from illegal and unethical experiments on disabled children using drugs that have demonstrated dangers in animal tests. It's really interesting how panicky you're all getting when someone challenges your favorite toxic pharmaceuticals. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ http://www.whale.to/vaccine/cave.html In a study last year, we found that about 40 percent of the children that we looked at (out of a total of perhaps 120) showed marked improvement, particularly in the younger age group. In most of the ones that resolve, the children go from not having any speech or eye contact to complete dialogue with good eye contact. It's the two, three, and four year olds that resolve most quickly. Within about six to eight months time, they get to a point where you can't tell that they were ever autistic. It's amazing. The parents come into our office in tears; they'll fly across the country just to show the children to us. Balancing Biochemistry: An Interview with Stephanie Cave >In a study last year, Could you tell us which study and in which journal it was published? >>In a study last year, > > Could you tell us which study and in which journal it was published? Don't be silly. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > http://www.whale.to/vaccine/cave.html > In a study last year, we found that about 40 percent of the children that we [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > come into our office in tears; they'll fly across the country just to show > the children to us. Balancing Biochemistry: An Interview with Stephanie Cave How did the control group do, and how many of the study group died from the chelation? How many of the study group suffered brain damage similar to that found in rats using the same drugs? Most important of all, what IRB approved this illegal experimentation on handicapped minors? | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ EDTA chelation therapy has brought relief to more than 93% of patients suffering from ischemic heart disease and it can help avoid bypass surgery in 85% of cases.30 When it is given according to established protocols not one serious side effect has been reported. In fact, thousands of anecdotal stories from patients and physicians support the effectiveness and safety of this relatively inexpensive treatment. > EDTA chelation therapy has brought relief to more than 93% of patients > suffering from ischemic heart disease and it can help avoid bypass surgery > in 85% of cases.30 When it is given according to established protocols not > one serious side effect has been reported. In fact, thousands of anecdotal > stories from patients and physicians support the effectiveness and safety of > this relatively inexpensive treatment. How much does it open arteries? Arterial blockage is easy to measure before and after. As for safety, sodium EDTA (the drug used) is known to be fatal in some cases of chelation. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ >EDTA chelation therapy has brought relief Mainly it seems to its sellers bank balances. This extract appears to be from an article by Gary Null and Luanne Pennesi, a "rising star" in the field of natural health and qualified, amongst other things, in bio-oxidative therapies and Neurolinguistic healing (whatever that may be). She sells "wholistic health care at affordable prices" Null, whose associate degree is in business administration and whose "PhD" is from a mail order college, is a talk radio host and the owner of the supplement and media company Gary Null & Associates, Inc. As scientific authors they don't appear to be very credible. Do you have a reference to any study where the rather improbable figures you quote can be substantiated? > EDTA chelation therapy has brought relief to more than 93% of patients > suffering from ischemic heart disease and it can help avoid bypass surgery > in 85% of cases.30 When it is given according to established protocols > not one serious side effect has been reported. In fact, thousands of > anecdotal stories from patients and physicians support the effectiveness > and safety of this relatively inexpensive treatment. > EDTA chelation therapy has brought relief to more than 93% of patients > suffering from ischemic heart disease if so...due to placebo effect and it can help avoid bypass surgery > in 85% of cases.30 cite please?? now that is an outright fabrication When it is given according to established protocols not > one serious side effect has been reported. In fact, thousands of anecdotal > stories from patients and physicians support the effectiveness and safety > of this relatively inexpensive treatment. anecdotes are useless..... no side effects??? anothoer stretch anything Gary Null attests to...is indeeed NULL >> EDTA chelation therapy has brought relief to more than 93% of patients >> suffering from ischemic heart disease > > if so...due to placebo effect Quackpots, you ahve to laugh you could say that about all allopathic med. another recovered kid using chelation and diet therapies http://www.whale.to/vaccine/jenny_mccarthy.html We believe what helped Evan recover was starting a gluten-free, casein-free diet, vitamin supplementation, detox of metals, and anti-fungals for yeast overgrowth that plagued his intestines. Once Evan's neurological function was recovered through these medical treatments, speech therapy and applied behavior analysis helped him quickly learn the skills he could not learn while he was frozen in autism. After we implemented these therapies for one year, the state re-evaluated Evan for further services. They spent five minutes with Evan and said, "What happened? We've never seen a recovery like this." Evan is now 5 years old and what might surprise a lot of you is that we've never been contacted by a single member of the CDC, the American Academy of Pediatrics, or any other health authority to evaluate and understand how Evan recovered from autism. When Evan meets doctors and neurologists, to this day they tell us he was misdiagnosed -- that he never had autism to begin with. It's as if they are wired to believe that children can't recover from autism. So where's the cavalry? Where are all the doctors beating down our door to take a closer look at Evan? We think we know why they haven't arrived. Most of the parents we've met who have recovered their child from autism as we did (and we have met many) blame vaccines for their child's autism. Jenny McCarthy: My son's recovery from autism >another recovered kid using chelation and diet therapies Recovered? What cruelty. McCarthy has smothered a Crystal Child? This is awful. She said on her site at www.indigomoms.com "The day I found out I was an adult Indigo will stay with me forever. I was walking hand in hand with my son down a Los Angeles street when this women approached me and said, Youre an Indigo and your son is a Crystal. I immediately replied, Yes! and the woman smiled at me and walked away. I stood there for a moment, because I had no idea what the heck an Indigo and Crystal was, but I seemed so sure of it when I had blurted out Yes! After doing some of my own research on the word Indigo, I realized not only was I an early Indigo but my son was in fact a Crystal child. From that point on things in my life started to make sense. ...I was so eager to go on every talk show and preach to the world about the importance of healthy air, healthy food, and empowering our children to be the divine manifestors they came here to be... So, I asked the Divine for help, and my Indigo awakening day brought it right to me. The way to create a new way of life for our children isnt just about teaching the parents, but more about teaching the children. I knew immediately that changing education in schools was my global life mission." Apparently, according to http://www.starchild.co.za/what.html "Crystal children, on the other hand, are mostly born into the Gold Ray of Incarnation and Evolution. They are born on the Sixth Dimension of Consciousness, with the potential to open up rapidly to the Ninth Dimensional level of Full Christ Consciousness, and then from there to the Thirteenth Dimension which represents Universal Consciousness." "Crystal Children don't warrant a label of autism. They aren't autistic! They're AWE-tistic! These children are worthy of awe, not labels of dysfunction. If anyone is dysfunctional, it's the systems that aren't accommodating the continuing evolution of the human species. If we shame the children with labels, or medicate them into submission, we will have undermined a heaven-sent gift. We will crush a civilization before its had time to take roots." She has crushed a Crystal that she believed so strongly In only a couple of years ago with chemicals? How could she! Her "research" has of course always been inspired, as she said "Luckily, Google employs an army of people whose only job is to make sure everything that pops up on the site is totally legit". Using this reliable source she spoke of "clicking on a link up in the corner" and "learning about the wonders of biomed." Links up in the corner? Couldn't have been the adverts for snake oil could it? Exit Crystal child, rinsed down the drain by toxic chemical cocktails. Such cruelty. Such disregard for the future of the human race.? What happened to her "Quantum Prayer wheel" which emitted "Pure, positive quantum waves of energy ... directed to you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, deflecting any negative vibrations. The Quantum Prayer Wheel opens the doors to far greater states of love, peace, joy, health, wealth and happiness, that have been shown to result from effective and focused prayer. The QPW prayers do not exclude any faith or belief -- all are inclusive and supportive of each other." (one-year subscription only $365. Family Plan - up to 4 people for $365, plus an additional $50 per person. Pets included free) >understand how Evan recovered from autism. I understand she is still "treating" him? Perhaps because he is still "hypersensitive to air and water" as she reported? >>another recovered kid using chelation and diet therapies > > Recovered? What cruelty. McCarthy has smothered a Crystal Child? > This is awful. > > She said on her site at www.indigomoms.com so what, ad hominem anyway, and you have to say she is one of the rare mums who has a recovered autistic kid, so she must have some diving guidance, unlike Leach and Kirkpatrick >>>another recovered kid using chelation and diet therapies >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > so what, ad hominem anyway, No, he's not attacking Jenny in any way. He's simply using her own words to refute you. I know, it hurts -- but if you want some /argumentum ad hominem/ then *you* can attack the author of the words PP quoted. > and you have to say she is one of the rare mums > who has a recovered autistic kid, so she must have some diving guidance, > unlike Leach and Kirkpatrick John, either you believe Jenny or you don't. If you do, then PP has presented a rather stinging indictment of how her son has been abused. On the other hand, if you don't believe what Jenny has to say, then there isn't a whole lot of point in citing her as a source regarding chelation. Up to you. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ >so what, ad hominem anyway, Not in the slightest. I'm trying to decide what she believes, how she came to those beliefs and how likely it is that they have a basis in reality. There is no question she said that she believed her child was a "Crystal Child" and there is no question that what she put the child through later was specifically contra-indicated by her prior belief. Much of the Indigo/Crystal belief system revolves around the idea of over-diagnosis and overuse of medication with regard to Autism and what she did would have led to the extinguishing of what she had said she believed was a divine gift. >and you have to say she is one of the rare mums who has a recovered autistic kid, If she has. The evidence for that is however is at best equivocal. She has stated both that the child has recovered and also that he needs further treatment. She has also stated in an interview on 6 Jun this year that he was never autistic:- "Q: And in the spectrum, where is Evan? MCCARTHY: Evan was undiagnosed with autism. Q: So if I met Evan? MCCARTHY: You would never know in a million years. Q: So how does it manifest itself? MCCARTHY: Autism? Q: No, Evans autism. MCCARTHY: It doesnt." Q: I wouldnt know Evan is autistic? MCCARTHY: No, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,364496,00.html She has also claimed to have read reports 3 years before they were published and she talks about Hepatitis C vaccine (which doesn't exist). This does rather impact upon her credibility. "Peter Parry" <peter@wpp.ltd.uk> >>another recovered kid using chelation and diet therapies > She said on her site at www.indigomoms.com The Indigo Moms website will not be returning. > We believe what helped Evan recover was starting a gluten-free, casein-free > diet, vitamin supplementation, detox of metals, and anti-fungals for yeast [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > minutes with Evan and said, "What happened? We've never seen a recovery like > this." So if he's recovered, why is she now planning to have him chemically castrated and back for more (life-threatening) chelation? | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ http://www.whale.to/vaccine/king.html#Chelation_Therapy |
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