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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / July 2008Hawki
Poor thing. Cannot seem to catch up with those people who have started looking beyond what she was "taught". Dark age medicine always fights better Medicine. So Hawki, fight on, old girl, fight on. Don't let it get to your liver though. ( Ask Andrew about emotions and the liver.) > Poor thing. Cannot seem to catch up with those people who have started > looking beyond what she was "taught". Dark age medicine always fights > better Medicine. So Hawki, fight on, old girl, fight on. Don't let it get > to your liver though. ( Ask Andrew about emotions and the liver.) thanks for the half assed apology one thing I have learned in my 45 years of medicine,,is that knowledge does indeed change..advance..and sometimes what we "thought" was the only way is misproven I am knowledgable enuf to accept change...as long as it is proven to be better in this case of dialysis etc...this hit on a nerve...perhaps if the OP had asked me help PRIOR to reaching end stage...it would not have hit such a nerve..but he was already on dialysis... >> Poor thing. Cannot seem to catch up with those people who have started >> looking beyond what she was "taught". Dark age medicine always fights >> better Medicine. So Hawki, fight on, old girl, fight on. Don't let it get >> to your liver though. ( Ask Andrew about emotions and the liver.) > thanks for the half assed apology > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >use the term very loosely ) who would be able to assist in his quest. Keep >your eyes and ears open to things better than we already know / believe. >> thanks for the half assed apology >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>>> better Medicine. So Hawki, fight on, old girl, fight on. Don't let it >>>> get to your liver though. ( Ask Andrew about emotions and the liver.) Not knocking your experience. I tend to think that there is much more to be found / learned than most can imagine. I hope that Medicine can find and learn much more than is currently accepted as the best or the only way by anyone. Alti or not. I have a knee-jerk reaction with the idea that this is the ONLY way. I just wish that medics of all types could work closely side by side and learn each others best stuff. None have all the answers all the time. SO! back to the guy with the problem. I doubt that he is going to jump off the cliff on this. I would hope he would find a helpful doctor ( I use the term very loosely ) who would be able to assist in his quest. Keep your eyes and ears open to things better than we already know / believe. Spell checked for those with so sorry a life that typos are important to them. Ah! I'm back! Hawki says "end stage". The tem was never used. >> thanks for the half assed apology >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >>quest. Keep your eyes and ears open to things better than we already know >>/ believe. > Hawki says "end stage". > > The tem was never used. dialysis is ONLY started when one is end stage....ESRD...Medicare pays for it after one year if he is on dialysis ..he is in end stage... he likely has never heard that term..he will once he applies for "dialysis medicare"...passed in 1972 to pay for dialysis for those in end stage.. >>> thanks for the half assed apology >>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >>>to assist in his quest. Keep your eyes and ears open to things better >>>than we already know / believe. > Hawki says "end stage". > > The tem was never used. If I said "above knee prosthesis" would I also have to say "above knee amputee"? Of course not. Sometimes the treatment says it all. On Jul 9, 11:24 pm, "vernono" <vern...@there.com> wrote: > Hawki says "end stage". > > The tem was never used. If I said "above knee prosthesis" would I also have to say "above knee amputee"? Of course not. Sometimes the treatment says it all. The problem is that many get dialysis when they don't need it and or more often than necessary or without being checked to see if required by second opinion or any attempt to get the kidneys healthier before "end stage". I haven't seen numbers but considering the 10s of thousands of heart operations that are useless etc. etc. > On Jul 9, 11:24 pm, "vernono" <vern...@there.com> wrote: >> Hawki says "end stage". [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > often than necessary or without being checked to see if required by second > opinion or any attempt to get the kidneys healthier before "end stage". unless you have proof of such...your opinion means nothing again..in 18 years..I never saw or knew of a person started on dialysis that did not need it.... you still don't seem to grasp the breadth of preparation required before dialysis is started..forget "second opinions"...most have seem multiple specialists..surgeons to implant the access devices...etc etc again..dialysis is NOT ordinary run of the mill treatment...it IS the last step before death due to "end stage renal failure" > I haven't seen numbers but considering the 10s of thousands of heart > operations that are useless etc. etc. Half assed??? I thought it was pretty good. I mean this IS Usenet after all. > thanks for the half assed apology > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>> better Medicine. So Hawki, fight on, old girl, fight on. Don't let it >>> get to your liver though. ( Ask Andrew about emotions and the liver.) > Half assed??? I thought it was pretty good. I mean this IS Usenet after > all. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> had asked me help PRIOR to reaching end stage...it would not have hit >> such a nerve..but he was already on dialysis... Correctly or incorrectly on dialysis. >> Half assed??? I thought it was pretty good. I mean this IS Usenet after >> all. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Correctly or incorrectly on dialysis. I suppose it is possible..but not likely dialysis is not started without all kinds of tests etc... in all my years...I have never known of ONE person started on dialysis who didn't need it (exception is acute renal failure..which is reversible) > Half assed??? I thought it was pretty good. I mean this IS Usenet after > all. sorry... didn't mean to offend... >> thanks for the half assed apology >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>>> better Medicine. So Hawki, fight on, old girl, fight on. Don't let it >>>> get to your liver though. ( Ask Andrew about emotions and the liver.) <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> Yikes! |
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