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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / July 2008Yellow Fever vaccines
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/yellow1.html 17 vaccine deaths recorded from 1996-2004 (Vellozzi C, et al. 1). "Since 1996, 34 cases of yellow fever vaccine-associated viscerotropic disease have been described. We report a new case of YEL-AVD. Given the potential risks associated with the vaccine, physicians should consider vaccination only for patients truly at risk for exposure to yellow fever, especially for primovaccination." (Muñoz J, et al. 2008 1)] > http://www.whale.to/vaccines/yellow1.html > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > patients truly at risk for exposure to yellow fever, especially for > primovaccination." (Muñoz J, et al. 2008 1)] Well, that's a difficult question. 30'000 deaths worldwide per year by yellow fever vs. 17 deaths worldwide in 8 years from vaccination (thats more than 2 per year!). Let me think about that... vaccination wins. By 15'000 : 1. Well, that's a difficult question. 30'000 deaths worldwide per year by yellow fever vs. 17 deaths worldwide in 8 years from vaccination (thats more than 2 per year!). Let me think about that... vaccination wins. By 15'000 : 1. yeah, looks good with the usual fake figures that you guys love. "The WHO estimates that there are 200,000 cases of yellow fever per year worldwide (1) 'There are 200,000 estimated cases of yellow fever (with 30,000 deaths) per year'. --despite official WHO statistics through 2004 showing an average of less than 1,000 cases per year for the past 35 years (2). About 90% of cases occur in rural sub-Sahara Africa near the equator. the remaining cases occur in South America....Nigeria, the country with the greatest number of recorded cases since 1950, had just 49 cases from 1995 through 2004, with 11 deaths. Ghana had 13 during the same 10 year period." Vaccine Safety Manual by Neil Z. Miller. (p.447) Bit like your annual flu death lie: "Every year in the United States, on average.......approximately 36,000 people die from flu." CDC October 6, 2004 http://www.cdc.gov/flu/keyfacts.htm Number of flu deaths 753 (2002) CDC http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr52/nvsr52_13.pdf another "The statistic that is often quoted is that there are 25,000 kids infected with Hepatitis B. After repeatedly asking the question as to how the CDC arrived at this number, Harold S. Margolis, MD, Chief of the Hepatitis Branch of the CDC finally admitted that 25,000 kids is simply an estimate. They have no hard proof that there are definitely 25,000 kids with Hepatitis B."--Lisa F. Reiss "The numbers have been greatly inflated. For example, the WHO/UNAIDS says that there has been 2.2 million AIDS deaths in Uganda so far, but the Ugandan Ministry of Health records a cumulative total of only 56,000 AIDS deaths since the beginning of the epidemic. The WHO's report is 33 times higher than the actual number of recorded, verified deaths. As of the end of 2001, official government bodies in the developing world have managed to account for only 7 percent of the cumulative AIDS deaths that the WHO/UNAIDS claim have occurred. The Russian Federation can only account for only 3 percent of the UNAIDS estimate of AIDS deaths. India has 2 percent of the UNAIDS estimate. China has only 1 percent."-- Dr. Rodney Richards [2003] Africa: Treating Poverty with Toxic Drugs By Liam Scheff [See BBC] I could go on http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy5.html VAERS http://www.whale.to/vaccine/vaers_yf.html 17 vaccine deaths admitted from 1996-2004 (Vellozzi C, et al. 1, and VAERS has 21 deaths from 1996-2006), and even the vaccinators advise against the vaccine unless absolutely necessary (Muñoz J, et al. 2008 1), yet most governments advise it for travel. Only compulsory when travelling from one yellow fever country to another--few, if anyone, is told that either. Usual WHO fantasy figures (see)--30,000 (similar to yearly CDC lie on flu deaths) when stats say 11 deaths in Nigeria from 1995 to 2004 which is less deaths than the vaccine achieves in the USA alone. Fyi: The measles vaccine now kills more than measles would be doing (see: MMR deaths), and the smallpox vaccine always killed more than smallpox did (see), at the end it was killing 20 babies a year in the West, decades after smallpox died out.] > Usual WHO fantasy figures (see)--30,000 (similar to yearly CDC lie on >flu deaths) when stats say 11 deaths in Nigeria from 1995 to 2004 which is >less deaths than the vaccine achieves in the USA alone. The "stats" for this claim appears to be unsubstantiated claims in a book written by a somewhat biased journalist. During the 1986/87 epidemic in Nigeria about 5,000 people of 15,000 infected died of yellow fever (Nigeria Ministry of Health figures). (Other reports put the Oshogbo epidemic at 120,000 cases and about 24,000 deaths.) Between 1982 and 1986 Nigeria reported 20,337 cases of Yellow fever. Between 1990 and 2004 it reported 8,176 cases and over 300 deaths (Bull Soc Pathol Exot, 2006, 99, 5, 341-347 and Nigeria Ministry of Health). It would appear that the journalist was being as economical with the truth as you are with presenting it. Are your other figures equally misleading?. > Are your other figures equally misleading?. Are you doing rhetorical questions today? | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > > Usual WHO fantasy figures (see)--30,000 (similar to yearly CDC lie on > >flu deaths) when stats say 11 deaths in Nigeria from 1995 to 2004 which is [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Are your other figures equally misleading?. Oh you like FIGURES do you? Well then here are some figures for you from: http://www.whale.to/v/winston1.html "During the 1850s, there were several epidemics of Yellow Fever in the southern states. This disease was eventually found to be transmitted by mosquito. Osler, says that the allopathic mortality from Yellow Fever is between 15-85%. Holcome, a homeopath, reported in 1853 a mortality of 6.43% in Natchez, and Dr. Davis, another homeopath in Natchez, reported 5.73%. In 1878 the mortality in New Orleans was 50% under allopathic care, and 5.6% (in 1,945 cases in the same epidemic) with homeopathic care."---Julian Winston Now, of course, they did not have yellow fever vaccinations in those days. Let us see what one researcher has to say about that: http://www.whale.to/vaccines/morrell3.html from an e-letter by Peter Morell: "My objections are that it does not work; it is unnatural, that the human race has survived healthily for countless generations without them and that homeopathy provides a better alternative that is both safe and effective [3]. Yet, I am not typical because many of those who oppose vaccination know nothing about homeopathy, and as you say, they object for political or religious reasons, that lie beyond the scope of medical practice. However, once you use homeopathy and can rely on it, as I have done for over twenty years, then one can see the dangers and pitfalls of vaccination as another Russian roulette game not worth the risk. Your article signally fails to even mention the very real risks of vaccination to the health of some children. Though these risks are very small, they can be serious. How can any parent adequately assess such a complex topic when they are not given the risk factors of vaccine damage, as well as what you call the benefits? Most parents, like most clinicians, do not have homeopathy as a fallback position from which they can rationally object to routine vaccination." Go FIGURE that out. Citizen Jimserac > Well then here are some figures for you from:http://www.whale.to/v/winston1.html > ... That's the sentence that forced me to stop reading your comment. Try again. >> Well then here are some figures for you >> from:http://www.whale.to/v/winston1.html >> ... > > That's the sentence that forced me to stop reading your comment. Try > again. Corn anyone? >> Well then here are some figures for you from:http://www.whale.to/v/winston1.html >> ... > > That's the sentence that forced me to stop reading your comment. Try > again. Scopie's Law strikes again. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > Scopie's Law strikes again. What passes for argument among quackpots http://www.whale.to/b/appeal_to_incredulity.html >> > Usual WHO fantasy figures (see)--30,000 (similar to yearly CDC lie on >> >flu deaths) when stats say 11 deaths in Nigeria from 1995 to 2004 which is [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Oh you like FIGURES do you? Dontcha just love it? Someone points out inaccuracy from whale.to and this fool points back to whale.to to support the original inaccuracies. Whatta maroon. <snip factless citations and quotes>  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > > Usual WHO fantasy figures (see)--30,000 (similar to yearly CDC lie on > >flu deaths) when stats say 11 deaths in Nigeria from 1995 to 2004 which is [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Are your other figures equally misleading?. Oh you like FIGURES do you? Well then here are some figures for you from: http://www.whale.to/v/winston1.html "During the 1850s, there were several epidemics of Yellow Fever in the southern states. This disease was eventually found to be transmitted by mosquito. Osler, says that the allopathic mortality from Yellow Fever is between 15-85%. Holcome, a homeopath, reported in 1853 a mortality of 6.43% in Natchez, and Dr. Davis, another homeopath in Natchez, reported 5.73%. In 1878 the mortality in New Orleans was 50% under allopathic care, and 5.6% (in 1,945 cases in the same epidemic) with homeopathic care."---Julian Winston Now, of course, they did not have yellow fever vaccinations in those days. Let us see what one researcher has to say about that: http://www.whale.to/vaccines/morrell3.html from an e-letter by Peter Morell: "My objections are that it does not work; it is unnatural, that the human race has survived healthily for countless generations without them and that homeopathy provides a better alternative that is both safe and effective [3]. Yet, I am not typical because many of those who oppose vaccination know nothing about homeopathy, and as you say, they object for political or religious reasons, that lie beyond the scope of medical practice. However, once you use homeopathy and can rely on it, as I have done for over twenty years, then one can see the dangers and pitfalls of vaccination as another Russian roulette game not worth the risk. Your article signally fails to even mention the very real risks of vaccination to the health of some children. Though these risks are very small, they can be serious. How can any parent adequately assess such a complex topic when they are not given the risk factors of vaccine damage, as well as what you call the benefits? Most parents, like most clinicians, do not have homeopathy as a fallback position from which they can rationally object to routine vaccination." Go FIGURE that out. Citizen Jimserac >> > Usual WHO fantasy figures (see)--30,000 (similar to yearly CDC lie on >> >flu deaths) when stats say 11 deaths in Nigeria from 1995 to 2004 which is [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Oh you like FIGURES do you? I like ones which are correct, the ones quoted were not. >Osler, says that the allopathic mortality from Yellow >Fever is between 15-85%. In the late 1800's that would have been more or less correct except that the lower figure would, for the time, have been rather high as Yellow Fever was frequently mis-diagnosed. > Holcome, a homeopath, reported in 1853 a >mortality of 6.43% in Natchez, and Dr. Davis, another homeopath in >Natchez, reported 5.73%. In 1878 the mortality in New Orleans was 50% >under allopathic care, and 5.6% (in 1,945 cases in the same epidemic) >with homeopathic care." A certain Dr Sweetbaum in New Orleans during the same epidemic was selling elixir which he guaranteed to be efficacious in every case. >Now, of course, they did not have yellow fever vaccinations >in those days. Let us see what one researcher has >to say about that: >http://www.whale.to/vaccines/morrell3.html >from an e-letter by Peter Morell: Morell is a historian, astrologer and artist with no scientific or medical qualifications is he not? >"My objections are that it does not work; it is unnatural, that the >human race has survived healthily for countless generations without >them and that homeopathy provides a better alternative that is both >safe and effective..." I suggest that it would be unwise to accept the unsubstantiated statement of an astrologer on the effectives or otherwise of vaccines (or anything else for that matter).. The discovery of the role of the mosquito in Yellow fever in the 1900's is well known. So is the effectiveness of the vaccine first produced in 1937. If homeopaths and their supporters are so confident of their treatments why not arrange for a few to reprise the Camp Lazear experiments and infect themselves with Yellow Fever and then cure themselves with Homeopathy? However, this isn't answering the question of why, especially if his case is so strong, John felt it necessary to use false figures for infection rates to justify it? |
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