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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / July 2008Speaking of malpractice
As Harriet Hall describes the plaintiff's situation: "Sandra Nette is a prisoner, condemned to spend the rest of her life in the cruelest form of solitary confinement. Her intact mind is trapped in a paralyzed body and she is unable to speak. She can move one arm just enough to type on a special keyboard. She cannot swallow or breathe on her own, and must be frequently suctioned. She feels sensations and is in pain." She's suing world+dog for, in effect, conspiracy to hide the risks of an unnecessary routine procedure: http://www.casewatch.org/mal/nette/claim.pdf | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > She's suing world+dog for, in effect, conspiracy to hide > the risks of an unnecessary routine procedure: > > http://www.casewatch.org/mal/nette/claim.pdf Dang, and I thought that the medical monopoly and the AMA had given up on driving the Chiropractors out of business with the loss of their previous lawsuit that the Chiros won. Look and the language in this legal brief. Read it and laugh. Then consider that the alternative medical system, scientific/ mechanistic medicine or Allopathy, routinely kills hundreds of thousands of patients yearly, but no concern. The docs make a huge profit from the over 2.5 Trillion dollars spent. With that kind of money they will fight to the death (yours preferably) to maintain their control and their ill gotten gains. Once again, reading this is so damn condeming of allopathy it is not funny. DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. >> She's suing world+dog for, in effect, conspiracy to hide >> the risks of an unnecessary routine procedure: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > on driving the Chiropractors out of business with the loss of their > previous lawsuit that the Chiros won. Aside from the whole tinfoil-hat thing, is there some reason why you think that a Canadian woman who is paralyzed for life thanks to a practitioner who had her getting a "tune up" that isn't approved by chiropractic schools (but is lucrative) has something to do with the AMA? > Look and the language in this legal brief. Read it and laugh. I'm glad that you're amused by someone who will spend the rest of her life paralyzed and in pain. > Once again, reading this is so damn condeming of allopathy it is not > funny. Ummm -- right. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ Surprize!! You never adressed the 100'S of thousands killed by the alllopaths every year using "usual and customary" procedures and prescriptions. Let's see. Chiropractic: maybe One. Allopathy 200,000. Let us discuss the remaining 199,999 that allopathy has a license to kill annually. DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. > Surprize!! You never adressed the 100'S of thousands killed by the > alllopaths every year using "usual and customary" procedures and > prescriptions. Oh, I get it. You accuse medicine of killing hundreds of thousands, and therefore all other preventable deaths and injury are beneath notice. Well, looks like we can strike the laws against armed assault, drunk driving, etc, right? | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > In message > <0109d970-4918-4820-9f5a-7b619559e871@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Well, looks like we can strike the laws against armed > assault, drunk driving, etc, right? Um, it might be wise to go after the biggest killers first. That would be those you support in case you missed it. > In message <0109d970-4918-4820-9f5a-7b619559e...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | > +-------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ AC/DC: (1) There is a major issue of credibility here. What you fail to appreciate is that the legal offering, if you can call it that, was on "casewatch," an entity wholly owned by none other than "shitbag" bobbie baratz, and edited by Stephen Barrett who, as we all know, has been formally declared by the US Court System, in a PUBLISHED decision, to be "biased, and unworthy of credibility." (2) The poorly written, ranting, document language has the appearance of something written by Terry Polevoy. I'm surprised it wasn't written in weird colors, too... Concerned in California... Tim Bolen > In message <0109d970-4918-4820-9f5a-7b619559e...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Well, looks like we can strike the laws against armed > assault, drunk driving, etc, right? NO! I don't believe you "get it" at all. Standard medicine DOES kill hundreds of thousands as do the pharmaceutical drugs prescribed by them in an organized system. The number of people be admitted to hospitals because of previous "medical errors" or pharmaceutical drug "side effects" is huge. The number of people harmed while in the hospital is also high. To consider these huge numbers as inconsequential or somehow inapplicable is absurd. Citizen Jimserac > > In message <0109d970-4918-4820-9f5a-7b619559e...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Citizen Jimserac "To consider these huge numbers as inconsequentialor somehow inapplicable is absurd" - but it is very profitable (sarcasm intended)... On Jul 4, 9:20 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Jul 4, 1:22 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > inapplicable is absurd" - but it is very profitable (sarcasm > intended)... Ah! indeed so, sad but true. Citizen Jimserac >> In message <0109d970-4918-4820-9f5a-7b619559e...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: >> > Surprize!! You never adressed the 100'S of thousands killed by the >> > alllopaths every year using "usual and customary" procedures and [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > To consider these huge numbers as inconsequential > or somehow inapplicable is absurd. And completely irrelevant to Chuckles' attempt at /tu quoque/ misdirection. He's arguing that because (he claims) large numbers of deaths from one cause, others should be forgiven. From your agreement with him, I take it that you also don't care about the suffering of people who are crippled or killed in smaller numbers, such as Ms. Nette. Much more interesting is that this thread is experimental confirmation of the previously-posted conjecture that MHA simply does *not* tolerate discussions of "alternative medicine." It's just not on-topic for the real purposes of the newsgroup and any attempt to carry on a discussion of "alternative medicine" *will* be redirected. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > In message > <c94f15be-46e6-485b-ba5e-038ffa652370@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > misdirection. He's arguing that because (he claims) large > numbers of deaths from one cause, others should be forgiven. No, the point might be that you pill pushing profit taking bums should clean YOUR house before you point to the small bit of debris in someone else's yard. Since your medical religion kills so very many. On Jul 1, 5:10 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > Surprize!! You never adressed the 100'S of thousands killed by the > alllopaths every year using "usual and customary" procedures and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > DrCee > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. Dr Cee: The "Death by Medicine" study shows that the "200,000" number is too low. It is more into the 750,000 range, and if you add in the next two ranked killers, cancer and heart disease, which we know are easily dealt with outside of the "conventional" model, than the number of unecessary deaths is over two million per year in the US. Tim Bolen > As Harriet Hall describes the plaintiff's situation: > "Sandra Nette is a prisoner, condemned to spend the rest [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://www.casewatch.org/mal/nette/claim.pdf Sorry to read that. However, let me remind you of Dr Wilson who KILLED and remained on staff. You evidently thought that was A OK. The FACTS are: > *Years earlier, a scientist just a few miles away from the Gelsinger's > home > in > Tucson had raised serious questions about whether the experiment was > safe.* > Documents > . Feb. 8, 2002: FDA letter, attempt to ban Dr. Wilson from other > experiments. > . March 3, 2000: FDA Warning Letter, original findings about the gene > therapy experiment. > (No coverups there,,,,,,,,,,,,,) > The trouble is, Paul Gelsinger says, Dr. Wilson's team had never told him > that anyone had ever raised questions about safety > (That's fine and dandy according to organized medicine member, Peter > Moran.) > ADVERSE REACTIONS WERE NOT REPORTED > And that was just the beginning. Federal investigators, pouring [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > covered > up problems and broken basic test rules. > In fact, just a few months before Jesse had signed up for the experiment, > several monkeys given viruses similar to Jesse's got sick. And two of them > died. > (No coverup there) > The rules for the experiment said: Even if volunteers didn't get visibly > ill, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > But when it happened a third time, they didn't stop, didn't call. > Then, a fourth time. They didn't stop or call then either > (No coverups there). > For their own safety, volunteers weren't supposed to have a blood > ammonia level higher than 50. But people were coming in with higher levels [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > experiment, his reading was 114 - more than double the original safety > limit. > (That's way cool huh Peter???) > HIGH FINANCIAL STAKES > With so many red flags from the monkey deaths to the reactions in > other > volunteers, even to Jesse's own ammonia levels, Why had Dr. Wilson's team > allowed the experiment to continue? > (Wonder if Peter can answer this question?) > At the University of Pennsylvania, the conflict committee approved > Dr. > Wilson's arrangement with Genovo. > In fact, the university itself owned a piece of his company and > stood to > profit, too. > (Hmmmmmmmmm). > In a statement, the university acknowledged that some information > "should have been shared with the FDA sooner." > (Just a minor little slip,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,) > There was no information given to Jesse or his family about the monkey > deaths. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > family > to make any kind of informed decision." > (Peter STILL can't see any coverup!!!! NO dishonesty!) > CONFIDENTIAL REPORTS > He told congress that other private companies in the race for cures > had [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > So, while the government knew about them, other researchers like Dr. > Wilson and volunteers like Jesse Gelsinger were never allowed to see them. > (TRust the government!!!) > "I was outraged," says Paul. "I had a right to know. Jesse had a right to > know. > (Oh my,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,emotions). > ***In February, the Food and Drug Administration said that because Dr. > Wilson > filed "false and misleading" reports and "repeatedly and deliberately > violated regulations **** > REPEAT FOR THE HARD HEADED!!! > ***Dr. Wilson filed "false and misleading" reports and "repeatedly and > deliberately violated regulations *** > (No coverups,,,,,,,,,,no fraud,,,,,,,,,,no deliberate > violations,,,,,,,,,,,,) > This week marks the third anniversary of Jesse Gelsinger's death. At > the University of Pennsylvania, Dr. Wilson > ****is still on the faculty**** > (Soooooooooo in organized medicine,,,,,,,,,,,) > ****Filing *false and misleading reports* is A OK,,,,,,,,,,,,**** > ****REPEATED and DELIBERATE violations,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,is A OK.*** > but no longer in charge of its gene therapy program. And, in Congress, > lawmakers are still debating legislation to provide more protection for > medical > volunteers. > ******in the end, whether Jesse was betrayed by the doctors he and his > family > thought they could trust.********* > | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | > | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | > | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | > +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ |
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