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Picking up an infection is the public's main concern about hospital     care, a UK-wide BBC poll shows

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rpautrey2 - 30 Jun 2008 16:09 GMT
Infections 'the biggest NHS fear'
30 June 2008

Picking up an infection is the public's main concern about hospital
care, a UK-wide BBC poll shows.

Of the 1,040 people quizzed, 40% listed the risk of potentially deadly
infections such as MRSA and Clostridium difficile as their top NHS
concern.

In a separate finding, 31% said they would consider avoiding NHS
surgery for fear of getting an infection.

The government said it had introduced a raft of measures which were
already having an impact in reducing infection.

Despite the concerns raised by the survey, 82% of respondents said
they were proud of the health service, with half claiming it was still
the envy of the world.

We owe it to patients to be able to prove to them that hospitals are
a safe place to go to benefit from the help modern medicine can
provide
Dr Hamish Meldrum
British Medical Association

The most widely-cited concern after infections was the wait people
face for treatment.

Despite the NHS in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
making shorter waits a priority, one in four people still cited this
as a concern.

In England, which is the furthest ahead in reducing waits, no-one
should be waiting longer than 18 weeks by the end of the year.

By comparison, a decade ago, waits of two years were not uncommon.

One in 10 polled also said that both the lack of staff and mixed-sex
accommodation was their biggest concern.

However, it is superbugs which dominate people's thoughts in the poll
carried out by ICM Research for the BBC.

Lack of confidence

Just 33% of respondents said they were confident that the NHS would
protect them from picking up an infection in hospital.

In contrast, 94% were confident that the NHS would provide good care
in an emergency such as a car crash, and 86% were confident it would
deliver a baby safely.

Ministers have made tackling bugs a priority, launching initiatives
such as this year's £50m deep clean of wards.

MRSA rates have been falling almost consistently for the last two
years - although they have recently shown signs of stalling at just
above 4,000 cases per quarter in England.

Nonetheless, the government is confident it will meet its target to
halve rates this year based on a 2004 baseline.

NHS SURVEY

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The number of cases of C.difficile, which can cause severe diarrhoea
and inflammation of the bowel and is more common but less deadly than
MRSA, has also shown signs of falling.

Infection rates are even higher in Scotland, while in Wales and
Northern Ireland they are slightly lower.

Dr Hamish Meldrum, chairman of the British Medical Association, said
the findings on infection were of "huge concern".

He said: "We understand why people are so concerned about hospital-
acquired infections and although infection rates are coming down, no-
one can be happy with the levels that still exist.

"We owe it to patients to be able to prove to them that hospitals are
a safe place to go to benefit from the help modern medicine can
provide."

We have got a grip of this problem, but I am not surprised that
people feel concerned
Alan Johnson
Health Secretary

Professor John Appleby, chief economist of the independent think thank
The King's Fund, said media coverage had fuelled fears about hospital
infections.

"The good news from the NHS to the public is that in the last four
years it has reduced the numbers of MRSA infections to a risk that is
half the chance of getting four correct numbers in the lottery."

A Department of Health spokeswoman said it had "come a long way in
tackling infections, but any avoidable infection is one too many".

"We have introduced a raft of measures that we know will reduce
infection and are already having an impact," she said.

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"We have implemented stringent hand-washing guidance for the NHS, a
bare-below-the-elbows dress code, putting matrons back in charge of
cleanliness on their wards and an ongoing deep clean of every ward."

Health Secretary Alan Johnson said hospital-acquired infections had
always been a problem, but attention on the subject had become more
intense.

"The latest statistics show that MRSA is down by 30% on this time last
year, and C.diff is down by 23%.

"We have got a grip of this problem, but I am not surprised that
people feel concerned."

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/7475561.stm

Published: 2008/06/30 05:01:35 GMT

© BBC MMVIII
Citizen Jimserac - 01 Jul 2008 02:28 GMT
> Infections 'the biggest NHS fear'
> 30 June 2008
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> © BBC MMVIII

Do you have any statistics on the Homeoopathic
hospitals.  I have heard that their rate of infection
is far lower than the standard hospitals (of course
the Homeopathic hospitals probably take less serious
cases too, one would think).

Thanks
Citizen Jimserac
D. C. Sessions - 01 Jul 2008 03:23 GMT
> Do you have any statistics on the Homeoopathic
> hospitals.  I have heard that their rate of infection
> is far lower than the standard hospitals (of course
> the Homeopathic hospitals probably take less serious
> cases too, one would think).

Homeopathic hospitals don't have any infections -- after
all, homeopathy denies that such things exist.  It's
like keeping records of the number of pink elephants,
a complete waste of time.

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Citizen Jimserac - 02 Jul 2008 00:04 GMT
> In message <7def456d-bdc2-475c-95a5-797dcd243...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote:
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> like keeping records of the number of pink elephants,
> a complete waste of time.

I'm really laughing my socks off

http://laughingmysocksoff.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/lies-damn-lies-and-socks/#more-17

at the ineptitude of your "explanations".

Citizen Jimserac
Hawki63@sbcglobal.net - 02 Jul 2008 00:06 GMT
us does not have homeopathic hospitals..in fact...the idea is laughable

>> In message
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> Citizen Jimserac
D. C. Sessions - 02 Jul 2008 00:27 GMT
>> In message <7def456d-bdc2-475c-95a5-797dcd243...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote:

>> > Do you have any statistics on the Homeoopathic
>> > hospitals.  I have heard that their rate of infection
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> http://laughingmysocksoff.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/lies-damn-lies-and-socks/#more-17

I'm sure that's a very nice page, but it has nothing whatever
to do with infections.  Perhaps you didn't notice?

> at the ineptitude of your "explanations".

I'm not explaining anything.  I'm just trying to politely
pay attention to your sermons, with an occasional question
thrown in to clarify (such as the present one.)

You're saying that homeopathy has a concept of "infectious
disease?"  According to what you (and Hahnemann before you)
have taught, disease isn't caused by "infection."

Although it may be a laugh, I would expect the practicioners
to be above keeping records of imaginary things.  If you know
of any who do despite the silliness, by all means let us in
on the joke.

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Citizen Jimserac - 02 Jul 2008 14:16 GMT
> In message <c76f17c9-2694-479a-8df2-38b963d22...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote:
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> disease?"  According to what you (and Hahnemann before you)
> have taught, disease isn't caused by "infection."

"According to what you (and Hahnemann before you)
have TAUGHT"...??????????????

Sessions, I have not "taught" a damn thing.

OK?

Now on to your question.
Like everything else in Homeopathy their view of
disease is "different".

If you believe their views to be fallacious,
why don't you contact Dave Ullman
or other real Homeopathic physician and ask them about it.
Maybe you'll learn something... maybe not.

Meanwhile, my comments were regarding
the rate of infections in Homeopathic
hospitals.  I believe they are less
than that in standard medical hospitals.
I'm researching that right now - and meanwhile,
regarding these questions, you may want to read this,
from a New Zealand Homoeopathic Society Web Page

http://www.homeopathy.ac.nz/editorials/2007/vol-27-no-1-february-2007-debating-w
ith-sceptics/


quoted from an editorial by Bruce Barwell
in Vol 27, No.1 (Feb 2007) of
Homoeopathica Journal:

"As to a debate between a homœopath and a sceptic, I venture to
suggest it would go something like this . . .

Sceptic: There is no medicinal power in your so-called medicines
beyond that of placebo effect, they are diluted beyond Avogadro’s
number.

Homœopath: Are you saying that all the millions of cures attributed
to homœopathic potentised medicines are examples of lies, placebo
effect, spontaneous resolution, misdiagnosis, and self-limiting
conditions coming right with the passage of time?

S: Yes.

H: Not ever one genuine cure effected by a potentised medicine?

S: No, not one.

H: Have you ever studied the performance of a homœopathic hospital
in India? One that treats cholera, typhoid, malaria, dengue, amoebic
dysentery, etc?

S: No, I did not know there were such things. I dare say they aren’t
up to much by Western standards.

H: Well they do exist, and they have results comparable with
conventional hospitals. What percentage of a conventional doctor’s
clients have bogus cures misattributed to conventional medicines?

S: I am not sure, but I would say about 10%.

H: And you maintain a homœopath’s so-called cures are 100% bogus; how
do you explain this big difference?

S: The homœopath, if not lying, has a different class of client, in
personality and in the nature of their illnesses.

H: How do you know this? Have you ever read a bona fide study which
analyses the make-up of a homœopathic practice anywhere in the world

S: Well no, but it’s the only explanation that fits.

H: Is this the kind of view a bona fide scientist, or in fact any
honest person, would hold, or an opinion based on a belief rather
than a fact, devoid of concrete evidence?

At this point the sceptic’s supporters in the audience start
flinging insults, and raising the issues of the memory of water
theory, the Great Randi’s million dollar challenge, New Zealand GPs
claiming to be homœopaths who failed to care for their patients
properly, and so on - and the real issues are not addressed further.

The others in the room (the ones who had been cured of cataracts,
macular degeneration, gall stones, kidney stones, uterine fibroids,
rheumatoid and osteo arthritis, psoriasis, and many other conditions
generally regarded as far removed from the realm of hypochondria) just
shake their heads sadly."

by Bruce Barwell

Citizen Jimserac
rpautrey2 - 02 Jul 2008 16:36 GMT
CJ: Divided Legacy Vol 4 - Twentieth century medicine: The
Bacteriological Era
By  Harris L. COULTER, PhD at http://www.minimum.com/ is a good source
of
information about homeopathy and infections. Paul

> > In message <c76f17c9-2694-479a-8df2-38b963d22...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote:
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rpautrey2 - 02 Jul 2008 16:54 GMT
CJ: Medical Nemesis: The Expropriation of Health
by IVAN ILLICH / Random House 1976 is another
good source of info about homeopathy and infection.

Medical Nemesis: The Expropriation of Health
Ivan Illich, Pantheon Books, A Division of Random House, New York.
First American Edition. Copyright 1976 by Random House, Inc. All
rights reserved under International and Pan-American Copyright
Conventions. Published in the United States by Pantheon Books, a
division of Random House, Inc., New York. Originally published in
Great Britain by Calder & Boyars, Ltd., London. Copyright © 1975 by
Ivan Illich. Manufactured in the United States of America. Library of
Congress Catalog Card Number: 75-38118 ISBN: 0-394-40225-1

CJ: Divided Legacy Vol 4 - Twentieth century medicine: The
Bacteriological Era By  Harris L. COULTER, PhD athttp://www.minimum.com/is
a good source
of information about homeopathy and infections. Paul

> > > In message <c76f17c9-2694-479a-8df2-38b963d22...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote:
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rpautrey2 - 02 Jul 2008 22:33 GMT
Infection:

Materia Medica of Nosodes with Repertory
Treatise On Dynamised Micro-Immunotherapy
By  Othon Andre JULIAN, MD

Includes information on isopathy and a large materia medica with
intestinal and other unusual nosodes.
Printed in India, 722 pages, hardback
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Table of Contents  Page
Ch.1 - Short epistemology of homeopathic concretology
1-25

Ch.2 - History of Isopathy (M. Haffen)
26-88

Biography of Constantine Hering by Haehl. French translation by J.
Askenasi
51-58

Biography of Wilhelm Lux, translated by J. Askenasi
59-60

Johann Joseph Wilhelm Lux, Isopathy of cantagions, translated by J.
Akenasi
61-66

Hagero, Medicamenta Homoeopathica et Isopathica, Leipzig, 1861,
translated by O.A. Julian
67-71

Nomenclature of Nosodes with Nelson, London
72-79

Nomenclature of Nosodes with Heel, according to H.H. Reckeweg
79-81

Nomenclature of Nosodes with Stauffen-Goppingen according to R. Voll
82-84

Nomenclature of Products of Microbian Origin in French
85-87

Ch.3 - Dynamised Micro-Immunotherapy or Isopathy, Isotherapies
88-102

Ch.4 - Homeopathic and Biotherapic Pharmacotaxi
103-109

Ch.5 - Pharmacodynamics of Dynamised Microimmunotherapy or Isopathy
110-120

Ch.6 - Theoretical Study of Microimmunotherapy or Isopathy
121-133

Ch.7 - Experimental Researches
134-146

Ch.8 - Clinical Praxis of Dynamised Microimmunotherapy or Isopathy
146-152

Ch.9 - Immunotherapic or Isotherapic Prescription
153-159

Pharmacotherapy: according to the acute chronic states
153-157

Pharmacolexi: unicist, pluralist, complexist prescription
157

Pharmaconomy: posology and modalities of prescription
158-159

Materia Medica of Biotherapics (ex-nosodes)
167-659

List of Remedies
663

Repertory Index
664-722

> CJ: Medical Nemesis: The Expropriation of Health
> by IVAN ILLICH / Random House 1976 is another
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> Ivan Illich. Manufactured in the United States of America. Library of
> Congress Catalog Card Number: 75-38118 ISBN: 0-394-40225-1

> CJ: Divided Legacy Vol 4 - Twentieth century medicine: The
> Bacteriological Era By  Harris L. COULTER, PhD
Citizen Jimserac - 03 Jul 2008 12:56 GMT
> CJ: Medical Nemesis: The Expropriation of Health
> by IVAN ILLICH / Random House 1976 is another
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Thanks, sounds interesting, and, by the way,
that link does not work.

Thanks again,
CJ
rpautrey2 - 04 Jul 2008 17:46 GMT
Bad editing.
http://www.minimum.com/

Paul

> Thanks, sounds interesting, and, by the way,
> that link does not work.
 
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