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Picking up an infection is the public's main concern about hospital care, a UK-wide BBC poll shows
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rpautrey2 - 30 Jun 2008 16:09 GMT Infections 'the biggest NHS fear' 30 June 2008
Picking up an infection is the public's main concern about hospital care, a UK-wide BBC poll shows.
Of the 1,040 people quizzed, 40% listed the risk of potentially deadly infections such as MRSA and Clostridium difficile as their top NHS concern.
In a separate finding, 31% said they would consider avoiding NHS surgery for fear of getting an infection.
The government said it had introduced a raft of measures which were already having an impact in reducing infection.
Despite the concerns raised by the survey, 82% of respondents said they were proud of the health service, with half claiming it was still the envy of the world.
We owe it to patients to be able to prove to them that hospitals are a safe place to go to benefit from the help modern medicine can provide Dr Hamish Meldrum British Medical Association
The most widely-cited concern after infections was the wait people face for treatment.
Despite the NHS in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland making shorter waits a priority, one in four people still cited this as a concern.
In England, which is the furthest ahead in reducing waits, no-one should be waiting longer than 18 weeks by the end of the year.
By comparison, a decade ago, waits of two years were not uncommon.
One in 10 polled also said that both the lack of staff and mixed-sex accommodation was their biggest concern.
However, it is superbugs which dominate people's thoughts in the poll carried out by ICM Research for the BBC.
Lack of confidence
Just 33% of respondents said they were confident that the NHS would protect them from picking up an infection in hospital.
In contrast, 94% were confident that the NHS would provide good care in an emergency such as a car crash, and 86% were confident it would deliver a baby safely.
Ministers have made tackling bugs a priority, launching initiatives such as this year's £50m deep clean of wards.
MRSA rates have been falling almost consistently for the last two years - although they have recently shown signs of stalling at just above 4,000 cases per quarter in England.
Nonetheless, the government is confident it will meet its target to halve rates this year based on a 2004 baseline.
NHS SURVEY
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The number of cases of C.difficile, which can cause severe diarrhoea and inflammation of the bowel and is more common but less deadly than MRSA, has also shown signs of falling.
Infection rates are even higher in Scotland, while in Wales and Northern Ireland they are slightly lower.
Dr Hamish Meldrum, chairman of the British Medical Association, said the findings on infection were of "huge concern".
He said: "We understand why people are so concerned about hospital- acquired infections and although infection rates are coming down, no- one can be happy with the levels that still exist.
"We owe it to patients to be able to prove to them that hospitals are a safe place to go to benefit from the help modern medicine can provide."
We have got a grip of this problem, but I am not surprised that people feel concerned Alan Johnson Health Secretary
Professor John Appleby, chief economist of the independent think thank The King's Fund, said media coverage had fuelled fears about hospital infections.
"The good news from the NHS to the public is that in the last four years it has reduced the numbers of MRSA infections to a risk that is half the chance of getting four correct numbers in the lottery."
A Department of Health spokeswoman said it had "come a long way in tackling infections, but any avoidable infection is one too many".
"We have introduced a raft of measures that we know will reduce infection and are already having an impact," she said.
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"We have implemented stringent hand-washing guidance for the NHS, a bare-below-the-elbows dress code, putting matrons back in charge of cleanliness on their wards and an ongoing deep clean of every ward."
Health Secretary Alan Johnson said hospital-acquired infections had always been a problem, but attention on the subject had become more intense.
"The latest statistics show that MRSA is down by 30% on this time last year, and C.diff is down by 23%.
"We have got a grip of this problem, but I am not surprised that people feel concerned."
Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/7475561.stm
Published: 2008/06/30 05:01:35 GMT
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Citizen Jimserac - 01 Jul 2008 02:28 GMT > Infections 'the biggest NHS fear' > 30 June 2008 [quoted text clipped - 124 lines] > > © BBC MMVIII Do you have any statistics on the Homeoopathic hospitals. I have heard that their rate of infection is far lower than the standard hospitals (of course the Homeopathic hospitals probably take less serious cases too, one would think).
Thanks Citizen Jimserac
D. C. Sessions - 01 Jul 2008 03:23 GMT > Do you have any statistics on the Homeoopathic > hospitals. I have heard that their rate of infection > is far lower than the standard hospitals (of course > the Homeopathic hospitals probably take less serious > cases too, one would think). Homeopathic hospitals don't have any infections -- after all, homeopathy denies that such things exist. It's like keeping records of the number of pink elephants, a complete waste of time.
| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Citizen Jimserac - 02 Jul 2008 00:04 GMT > In message <7def456d-bdc2-475c-95a5-797dcd243...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > like keeping records of the number of pink elephants, > a complete waste of time. I'm really laughing my socks off
http://laughingmysocksoff.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/lies-damn-lies-and-socks/#more-17
at the ineptitude of your "explanations".
Citizen Jimserac
Hawki63@sbcglobal.net - 02 Jul 2008 00:06 GMT us does not have homeopathic hospitals..in fact...the idea is laughable
>> In message >> <7def456d-bdc2-475c-95a5-797dcd243...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Citizen Jimserac D. C. Sessions - 02 Jul 2008 00:27 GMT >> In message <7def456d-bdc2-475c-95a5-797dcd243...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote:
>> > Do you have any statistics on the Homeoopathic >> > hospitals. I have heard that their rate of infection [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://laughingmysocksoff.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/lies-damn-lies-and-socks/#more-17 I'm sure that's a very nice page, but it has nothing whatever to do with infections. Perhaps you didn't notice?
> at the ineptitude of your "explanations". I'm not explaining anything. I'm just trying to politely pay attention to your sermons, with an occasional question thrown in to clarify (such as the present one.)
You're saying that homeopathy has a concept of "infectious disease?" According to what you (and Hahnemann before you) have taught, disease isn't caused by "infection."
Although it may be a laugh, I would expect the practicioners to be above keeping records of imaginary things. If you know of any who do despite the silliness, by all means let us in on the joke.
| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Citizen Jimserac - 02 Jul 2008 14:16 GMT > In message <c76f17c9-2694-479a-8df2-38b963d22...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote: > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > disease?" According to what you (and Hahnemann before you) > have taught, disease isn't caused by "infection." "According to what you (and Hahnemann before you) have TAUGHT"...??????????????
Sessions, I have not "taught" a damn thing.
OK?
Now on to your question. Like everything else in Homeopathy their view of disease is "different".
If you believe their views to be fallacious, why don't you contact Dave Ullman or other real Homeopathic physician and ask them about it. Maybe you'll learn something... maybe not.
Meanwhile, my comments were regarding the rate of infections in Homeopathic hospitals. I believe they are less than that in standard medical hospitals. I'm researching that right now - and meanwhile, regarding these questions, you may want to read this, from a New Zealand Homoeopathic Society Web Page
http://www.homeopathy.ac.nz/editorials/2007/vol-27-no-1-february-2007-debating-w ith-sceptics/
quoted from an editorial by Bruce Barwell in Vol 27, No.1 (Feb 2007) of Homoeopathica Journal:
"As to a debate between a homœopath and a sceptic, I venture to suggest it would go something like this . . .
Sceptic: There is no medicinal power in your so-called medicines beyond that of placebo effect, they are diluted beyond Avogadro’s number.
Homœopath: Are you saying that all the millions of cures attributed to homœopathic potentised medicines are examples of lies, placebo effect, spontaneous resolution, misdiagnosis, and self-limiting conditions coming right with the passage of time?
S: Yes.
H: Not ever one genuine cure effected by a potentised medicine?
S: No, not one.
H: Have you ever studied the performance of a homœopathic hospital in India? One that treats cholera, typhoid, malaria, dengue, amoebic dysentery, etc?
S: No, I did not know there were such things. I dare say they aren’t up to much by Western standards.
H: Well they do exist, and they have results comparable with conventional hospitals. What percentage of a conventional doctor’s clients have bogus cures misattributed to conventional medicines?
S: I am not sure, but I would say about 10%.
H: And you maintain a homœopath’s so-called cures are 100% bogus; how do you explain this big difference?
S: The homœopath, if not lying, has a different class of client, in personality and in the nature of their illnesses.
H: How do you know this? Have you ever read a bona fide study which analyses the make-up of a homœopathic practice anywhere in the world
S: Well no, but it’s the only explanation that fits.
H: Is this the kind of view a bona fide scientist, or in fact any honest person, would hold, or an opinion based on a belief rather than a fact, devoid of concrete evidence?
At this point the sceptic’s supporters in the audience start flinging insults, and raising the issues of the memory of water theory, the Great Randi’s million dollar challenge, New Zealand GPs claiming to be homœopaths who failed to care for their patients properly, and so on - and the real issues are not addressed further.
The others in the room (the ones who had been cured of cataracts, macular degeneration, gall stones, kidney stones, uterine fibroids, rheumatoid and osteo arthritis, psoriasis, and many other conditions generally regarded as far removed from the realm of hypochondria) just shake their heads sadly."
by Bruce Barwell
Citizen Jimserac
rpautrey2 - 02 Jul 2008 16:36 GMT CJ: Divided Legacy Vol 4 - Twentieth century medicine: The Bacteriological Era By Harris L. COULTER, PhD at http://www.minimum.com/ is a good source of information about homeopathy and infections. Paul
> > In message <c76f17c9-2694-479a-8df2-38b963d22...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote: > [quoted text clipped - 153 lines] > > - Show quoted text - rpautrey2 - 02 Jul 2008 16:54 GMT CJ: Medical Nemesis: The Expropriation of Health by IVAN ILLICH / Random House 1976 is another good source of info about homeopathy and infection.
Medical Nemesis: The Expropriation of Health Ivan Illich, Pantheon Books, A Division of Random House, New York. First American Edition. Copyright 1976 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved under International and Pan-American Copyright Conventions. Published in the United States by Pantheon Books, a division of Random House, Inc., New York. Originally published in Great Britain by Calder & Boyars, Ltd., London. Copyright © 1975 by Ivan Illich. Manufactured in the United States of America. Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 75-38118 ISBN: 0-394-40225-1
CJ: Divided Legacy Vol 4 - Twentieth century medicine: The Bacteriological Era By Harris L. COULTER, PhD athttp://www.minimum.com/is a good source of information about homeopathy and infections. Paul
> > > In message <c76f17c9-2694-479a-8df2-38b963d22...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote: > [quoted text clipped - 155 lines] > > - Show quoted text - rpautrey2 - 02 Jul 2008 22:33 GMT Infection:
Materia Medica of Nosodes with Repertory Treatise On Dynamised Micro-Immunotherapy By Othon Andre JULIAN, MD
Includes information on isopathy and a large materia medica with intestinal and other unusual nosodes. Printed in India, 722 pages, hardback Dimensions (in inches): 8.70 x 5.70 x 2.00 Minimum Price Books sales rank: 265 This item was in stock when this catalog was last updated on 5/25/2008.
#178, $16.00 Add to cart Or for help ordering call 800-663-8272 (from United States and Canada) or 604-597-4757 or email orders@minimum.com
Table of Contents Page Ch.1 - Short epistemology of homeopathic concretology 1-25
Ch.2 - History of Isopathy (M. Haffen) 26-88
Biography of Constantine Hering by Haehl. French translation by J. Askenasi 51-58
Biography of Wilhelm Lux, translated by J. Askenasi 59-60
Johann Joseph Wilhelm Lux, Isopathy of cantagions, translated by J. Akenasi 61-66
Hagero, Medicamenta Homoeopathica et Isopathica, Leipzig, 1861, translated by O.A. Julian 67-71
Nomenclature of Nosodes with Nelson, London 72-79
Nomenclature of Nosodes with Heel, according to H.H. Reckeweg 79-81
Nomenclature of Nosodes with Stauffen-Goppingen according to R. Voll 82-84
Nomenclature of Products of Microbian Origin in French 85-87
Ch.3 - Dynamised Micro-Immunotherapy or Isopathy, Isotherapies 88-102
Ch.4 - Homeopathic and Biotherapic Pharmacotaxi 103-109
Ch.5 - Pharmacodynamics of Dynamised Microimmunotherapy or Isopathy 110-120
Ch.6 - Theoretical Study of Microimmunotherapy or Isopathy 121-133
Ch.7 - Experimental Researches 134-146
Ch.8 - Clinical Praxis of Dynamised Microimmunotherapy or Isopathy 146-152
Ch.9 - Immunotherapic or Isotherapic Prescription 153-159
Pharmacotherapy: according to the acute chronic states 153-157
Pharmacolexi: unicist, pluralist, complexist prescription 157
Pharmaconomy: posology and modalities of prescription 158-159
Materia Medica of Biotherapics (ex-nosodes) 167-659
List of Remedies 663
Repertory Index 664-722
> CJ: Medical Nemesis: The Expropriation of Health > by IVAN ILLICH / Random House 1976 is another [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Ivan Illich. Manufactured in the United States of America. Library of > Congress Catalog Card Number: 75-38118 ISBN: 0-394-40225-1
> CJ: Divided Legacy Vol 4 - Twentieth century medicine: The > Bacteriological Era By Harris L. COULTER, PhD Citizen Jimserac - 03 Jul 2008 12:56 GMT > CJ: Medical Nemesis: The Expropriation of Health > by IVAN ILLICH / Random House 1976 is another [quoted text clipped - 176 lines] > > > - Show quoted text - Thanks, sounds interesting, and, by the way, that link does not work.
Thanks again, CJ
rpautrey2 - 04 Jul 2008 17:46 GMT Bad editing. http://www.minimum.com/
Paul
> Thanks, sounds interesting, and, by the way, > that link does not work.
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