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(profiling the potential murderer) WHY posters like 'Eldon Braun' etc. are potential murderers, and ENJOY to be sociopaths, severely Anti-Life, malicious, criminally destructive libelers

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To You - 28 Jun 2008 21:00 GMT
Profiling the potential murderer

28 June 2008

WHY posters like 'Eldon Braun' etc. are potential murderers,
and ENJOY to be sociopaths - severely Anti-Life, malicious,
criminally destructive libelers.

Does it make them happy, to be THAT destructively insane and criminal?

Yes, it does.

'

"Spirits do not exist, the ghoul l. ron hubbard does not exist,
past lives do not exist," so they claim ALSO very loudly.

'

THIS seems to be a general rule about sociopaths:

THEY ARE TALKING in actuality ABOUT THEMSELVES.

THEY as spirits (souls) "do not exist;" for THEM "the ghoul
l. ron hubbard 'does not exist';" for THEM, THEIR past lives
"do not exist."

The same applies to the other sociopaths (and they claim so themselves
during their sociopathic and criminal libel, it applies ALSO to) what
comes from the other sociopaths posting at alt.religion.scientology

Roger Gonnet (Feministe)
Fred L. Rice ( many pseudonyms)
Tilman Hausherr
etc.,
etc.,
all those that throughout the years, came out, as being socipaths,
(demonic creatures) which is all archived in Usenet's archives.

'

DO they feel HAPPY about their sociopathic, criminal libel?

Yes. Very: Then they do not have to face the one who MADE
their soul into the demonic creatures that they are, that
they are irreparably.

'

But THEY claim - about themselves - that THEY as spirits
(souls) "do not exist," for THEM "the ghoul l. ron hubbard
'does not exist'," for THEM, THEIR past lives "do not exist."

Their JOY in being destructively evil, comes however from
THEIR being spirits (souls) and from the ghoul l. ron hubbard
existing, from THEIR past lives existing...

which is absolute horrors to face, also for them, you can
be sure...

so THEIR HAPPINESS lies in DENYING ALL THAT IS TRUE,
denying all that very vehemently, with:

THEY as spirits (souls) "do not exist," for THEM "the ghoul
l. ron hubbard 'does not exist'," for THEM, THEIR past lives
"do not exist."
 
'

'
 
So it is not me, whom they are fighting, in actual fact, but
their "non-existent" condition, their soul, they want "not to
exist," they do - as all criminals  - not want to feel what exists:

THEY as spirits (souls) "do not exist," for THEM "the ghoul
l. ron hubbard 'does not exist'," for THEM, THEIR past lives
"do not exist."

And asserting THAT, BY being intensely destructive, MAKES
THEM INDEED FEEL HAPPY.

Once again, I have many years ago already examined and
described and published the condition of their "non-existent"
soul, and WHO made them - in "non-existent" past lives - into
the demonic, vicious, criminal creatures that they are now and
forever.

They are in fact, without own will, fighting FOR their
maker, for l. ron hubbard.

Such is the "non-existent" past-life evil inflicted ON THEM
by the "non-existent" l. ron hubbard - on these and other
creatures.

On what side are these creatures really fighting?
Yes, indeed, on the side of their maker, the ghoul
l. ron hubbard - to destroy all life and all people,

which is his goal "in life" (at least since, what he
calls, "handling over-population").

But of course he can only maintain that goal and bring it about, by
PRETENDING convincingly, to "assist life."

I have no pity anymore with these creatures, no matter
how pitiful they are, because they DO NOT CHANGE, they
are all potential murderers, as they show again and
again and again,

by their voiced intentions and hate campaigns and
criminal libel, which expresses their INTENTION to
murder whoever is their object.

Also the continuous Hate and lies about the Jews, was and
is expressing the INTENTION to murder them.

Those libelers are potential murderers.

'

'

Wholly their opposite indeed:

Koos Nolst Trenite is arguably the most Intelligent, the most
Beautiful and the most Caring philosopher known, and on top of that
the most Truthful and most trusted philosopher known on Earth and
beyond.

KNT hrp&p
Copyright 2008 by KNT hrp&p
Copyright Conditions as usual ('learnware')

_________
reference:

    'l. ron hubbard is a 'demon' pretending to be "good" '
     (21 April 2008)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.tv/msg/2c9e876e79b3e4c8

'

'

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:41:45 -0700, Eldon wrote:

> Complaints-To:              groups-abuse@google.com
> Date:                       Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:41:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From:                       Eldon <EldonB123@aol.com>
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> On Jun 27, 11:00 am, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>> "barb" <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:YbX8k.8975$rH1.6621@newsfe20.lga...
>>
>> > Magoo wrote:
>> >> "To You" <leonardo_b...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:pan.2008.06.25.21.48.19.471872@yahoo.com...
>> >>> This poster, "Magoo," is Anti-Life.
>> >> That's a flat out lie.
>>
>> >> I'm anti-morons, mind control, and forwarders of such nonsense, as is
>> >> James Randi. Naturally, you have to try to slime that, eh?
>>
>> >> Tory/Magoo~~~
>> >>> She should have said that to begin with.
>>
>> >>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:38:52 -0700, Magoo wrote:
>>
>> >>>>       Last night was a very exciting night here in LA.
>>
>> >>>>       The Center for Inquiry sent me an e-mail (I spoke there once,
>> >>>>       Tory Talks to CFI---onwww.xenutv.com) telling me James Randi
>> >>>>       would be there, last night.
>>
>> >>>>       I decided to zoom on over, last night, and what fUN NIGHT!
>> >>>>       First off, it was a packed house.
>> >>>>       Secondly, I met one of the Anonymous people who was at my
>> >>>>       b-day party Saturday, there.
>>
>> >>>>       Third: It was the IIG Awards: The Independent Investigations
>> >>>> Group who
>> >>>> do Awards for Promotion of Science and Reasoning in Entertainment
>> >>>> Fourth---about 3 people noticed me from my YT videos and said, "Is
>> >>>> that you, Magoo?" What's really fun is they said those videos have
>> >>>> helped them
>> >>>> learn more about Scientology....and all that they *didn't* know.
>> >>>>       Always good to spread the word.
>>
>> >>>>       So that was super cool!
>>
>> >>>>       Lastly, and best of all----- James Randi was inducted into
>> >>>>       the Houdini Hall of Honor!
>>
>> >>>>       I gave him one of my XENU.NET cards----and XENUTV.Com and
>> >>>>       he said,
>> >>>>       'Oh! I want to see this". He also did this FABULOUS Magic
>> >>>>       trick on stage---who knew?
>>
>> >>>>       Very fun guy!
>>
>> >>>>       Just a bit of Hollywood on a Monday night.
>>
>> >>>>             PS: CFI now offers $50,000 if you can prove paranormal
>> >>>>             or "OT" or any other super duper powers----so tell all
>> >>>>             the OT's you know.
>>
>> > Isn't this the guy who drowned his daughter in a bathtub who is
>> > calling YOU 'anti-life?'
>>
>>   eeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww...didhe do that?
>>
>> Please let me know.
>> His "Anti-life" claims are beyond stupid.
>
> Koos is beyond schizophrenic. I read that he was an OSA agent in Europe at
> one time until the Scienos got rid of him.
>
> Then he channeled LRH and Michael Jackson among others. In the beginning,
> he proclaimed himself LRH's "Ambassador," but later discovered that LRH
> was the devil incarnate.
>
> After drowning his daughter, Koos was in the loony bin for a few years,
> and I really don't understand why they let him out. Probably for the same
> reason Barbara Schwartz is running loose on the streets of Salt Lake City.
>
> Is this more or less accurate? Please feel free to correct my
> recollections. I hope I'm not hallucinating too much. ;-)
>>
>> Tory/Magoo~~
>>
>> > --
>> > Barb "That's Captain Barbossa to you!" Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)
>> > It's Poodlin' Time!
Smiler - 29 Jun 2008 01:25 GMT
> Profiling the potential murderer
>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> l. ron hubbard 'does not exist';" for THEM, THEIR past lives
> "do not exist."

Your objective evidence that 'souls' exist is???

<Snip of rest of incoherent lunatic rant>

Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
To You - 29 Jun 2008 05:49 GMT
Only sociopaths persistently deny their own existence and
that of everyone else.

This proves BOTH facts about the "responding" poster.

Copyright 2008 by KNT hrp&p
Copyright conditions as usual ('learnware')

_________
Reference (the original post):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/msg/4ad762e25223583a

'

'

____________________________

> Date:                Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:25:15 +0100
> From:                "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
> The godless one
> a.a.# 2279
Douglas Berry - 29 Jun 2008 17:33 GMT
On  Sun, 29 Jun 2008 06:49:37 +0200 To You <leonardo_been@yahoo.com>
carved the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism

>Only sociopaths persistently deny their own existence and
> that of everyone else.

Dude, I was diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder over 20
years ago. You are full of sh.t.

Want to know what this is really like? 99% of the people I meet are
blanks. Ghosts. They aren't really real to me, just walking talking
things I interact with. This includes coworkers and people who
consider themselves my friends. I could care less about them.

Then there are my anchors. These people are real, and I would kill for
them. I would die for them. I have never had more than four anchors in
my entire life. Losing one is by far the most traumatic thing I've
ever experienced.

The last category are my targets. These are people who have become
real by annoying me to the point where I'd kill them given the chance.
Seriously. I would kill them without a second thought just to remove
them from my world. Currently, there are two targets.

I live in a world where I think of less than ten people as being real.
I have to fight, everyday, to control the rages and other expressions
of my illness. Things that come naturally to you, like making friends
and caring about them are alien to me.

So shut the f.ck up about sociopaths. You know *NOTHING* about the
hell we live in, or how hard we have to work just to live a
semi-normal life.

Anybody suprised I work in a job that lets me be alone for most of the
day?
--

Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Alexia Death - 29 Jun 2008 18:07 GMT
On Jun 29, 7:33 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:
> On  Sun, 29 Jun 2008 06:49:37 +0200 To You <leonardo_b...@yahoo.com>
> carved the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
> good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein

Your story touches me deeply... May you never loose your anchors.
Jonnie Tyler - 30 Jun 2008 00:48 GMT
> On  Sun, 29 Jun 2008 06:49:37 +0200 To You <leonardo_been@yahoo.com>
> carved the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> things I interact with. This includes coworkers and people who
> consider themselves my friends. I could care less about them.

How about people you meet on the internet?

> Then there are my anchors. These people are real, and I would kill for
> them. I would die for them. I have never had more than four anchors in
> my entire life. Losing one is by far the most traumatic thing I've
> ever experienced.

I don't understand what you mean by "anchors". Are they people in real life?

> The last category are my targets. These are people who have become
> real by annoying me to the point where I'd kill them given the chance.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> hell we live in, or how hard we have to work just to live a
> semi-normal life.

Koos is a notorious usenet kook, see
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.clearing.technology/browse_thread/thread/c59f
30e82062b7af/555beba3865a1f2a?#555beba3865a1f2a


> Anybody suprised I work in a job that lets me be alone for most of the
> day?
Douglas Berry - 30 Jun 2008 13:21 GMT
On  Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:48:55 +0800 "Jonnie Tyler"
<BarryPepper@invalid.invalid> carved the following into the hard stone
of alt.atheism

>> Then there are my anchors. These people are real, and I would kill for
>> them. I would die for them. I have never had more than four anchors in
>> my entire life. Losing one is by far the most traumatic thing I've
>> ever experienced.
>
>I don't understand what you mean by "anchors". Are they people in real life?

Yes. My wife, my mom, two friends that have become real to me. They
keep me anchored to thr real world.
--

Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
erikc - 01 Jul 2008 04:21 GMT
>On  Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:48:55 +0800 "Jonnie Tyler"
><BarryPepper@invalid.invalid> carved the following into the hard stone
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Yes. My wife, my mom, two friends that have become real to me. They
>keep me anchored to thr real world.

How does a person move from non-entity to real in your world?

Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight (retired)   |      "The Truth against the World."
Douglas Berry - 01 Jul 2008 13:32 GMT
On  Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:29:05 -0600 erikc <firewevr@airmail.net>
carved the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism

>>On  Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:48:55 +0800 "Jonnie Tyler"
>><BarryPepper@invalid.invalid> carved the following into the hard stone
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>How does a person move from non-entity to real in your world?

If I knew that, I'd move a hell of a lot of people.  It just is. When
I first met my future wife, for example, it was like she was this
light in a drak room. Didn't even know her name, and she stood out.

Other people that I've known for 25 years could die tomorrow and it
wouldn't bug me for more than five minutes.
--

Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Don Martin - 30 Jun 2008 15:14 GMT
On Jun 29, 12:33 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:
> On  Sun, 29 Jun 2008 06:49:37 +0200 To You <leonardo_b...@yahoo.com>
> carved the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> day?
> --

It has always seemed to me that everybody is a potential murderer; I
am deeply suspicious of people who say that they have never had an
impulse to kill another person. I suspect they are bullshitting
themselves and trying to bullshit me as well.  Murder would not be
outlawed in every viable society if it were not universally popular.
That said, the remaining issue is impulse control. I have done fairly
well so far: the two persons upon whom I was prepared to act got out
of range in a timely fashion, and my preparations did not include
pursuit. I do not envy you the tighter grip you must hold upon
yourself. I wonder whether sociopaths who hold themselves in check
experience stress symptoms like heightened blood pressure from this
exercise?
2PDBuster - 29 Jun 2008 07:13 GMT
> Subject: (profiling the potential murderer) WHY posters like  etc. are potential murderers, and ENJOY to be sociopaths, severely Anti-Life, malicious, criminally destructive libelers

"potential murderers"..."criminally destructive libelers", eh?
Oops!
> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:00:23 +0200
> Message-ID: <pan.2008.06.28.19.56.28.425507@yahoo.com>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> X-Trace: 1214683204 nova.planet.nl 7647 86.80.43.112:47015
> X-Complaints-To: abuse@planet.nl

Lesson: If you're a scientologer trying to smear and vilify an opponent,
alt.atheism isn't a wise choice of newsgroups to do it in.

I neither know nor care whom 'Eldon Braun' is, but I do know an
unadulterated headfuck who's about to be TOSed when I see one.

Thanks for proving conclusively that scientology is a cult, by the way.

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Eldon - 29 Jun 2008 08:00 GMT
> > Subject: (profiling the potential murderer) WHY posters like  etc. are potential murderers, and ENJOY to be sociopaths, severely Anti-Life, malicious, criminally destructive libelers
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Thanks for proving conclusively that scientology is a cult, by the way.

Koos is a nutcase who should be put back into the mental institution.
Here's a little background:
www.insolitology.com/topten/koostrenite.htm

> --
>  David Silverman
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Not authentic without this signature.
To You - 29 Jun 2008 08:11 GMT
alt.atheism consists mainly of sociopaths - this is not unknown.

While they definitely do not want to be understood, there is
no reason to comply with their wishes, no matter how violently
(also libelously and murderously) they express these.

They are deliberately addressed.

'

The subject relates to 'Scientology' to the extent, that
'Scientology' is the malice though up by your 'maker,'
the demon l. ron hubbard, the maker of demonic creatures.

'

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> Date:                       Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:13:09 +0100
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>
> Thanks for proving conclusively that scientology is a cult, by the way.
Sanity's Little Helper - 29 Jun 2008 08:50 GMT
To You <leonardo_been@yahoo.com> barked:

> alt.atheism consists mainly of sociopaths - this is not unknown.
>
[quoted text clipped - 58 lines]
>>
>> Thanks for proving conclusively that scientology is a cult, by the way.

You'll need a new ISP soon.

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pbamvv@worldonline.nl - 29 Jun 2008 18:12 GMT
Somehow your post did that to me.
I do not know Eldon Braun, but I do know you want to hurt Eldon Braun.
You should not.
If you truly think that person might one day hurt someone,
report your reasons to the police, but do not enduldge in what is
probably slander.

Love

Peter van Velzen
June 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Eldon - 29 Jun 2008 18:36 GMT
On Jun 29, 7:12 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
wrote:
> Somehow your post did that to me.
> I do not know Eldon Braun, but I do know you want to hurt Eldon Braun.
> You should not.
> If you truly think that person might one day hurt someone,
> report your reasons to the police, but do not enduldge in what is
> probably slander.

Hey, I don't consciously try to hurt people other than cult leaders.
But if I can help as an anchor for a socioipath or whatever, I will
try within my limitations of ability and time available.

> Love
>
> Peter van Velzen
> June 2008
> Amstelveen
> The Netherlands
pbamvv@worldonline.nl - 29 Jun 2008 19:09 GMT
> On Jun 29, 7:12 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> But if I can help as an anchor for a socioipath or whatever, I will
> try within my limitations of ability and time available.

You shouldn't try to hurt cult leaders
If you think they are doing something wrong,
feel free to stop them.
But hurting them should - as such - not be your aim.
Long ago the Romans crusifief a cult-leader,
and see what that brought about!

Love,

Peter van Velzen
June 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Enkidu - 29 Jun 2008 20:21 GMT
"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in news:f4c22eb7-
29bd-40f6-b2d4-a0cb18629621@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> You shouldn't try to hurt cult leaders
> If you think they are doing something wrong,
> feel free to stop them.

Isn't exposing them as the frauds they are "hurting" them?

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William James used to preach "the will to believe". For my part, I should
wish to preach "the will to doubt". What is wanted is not the will to
believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite.
         -- Bertrand Russell

pbamvv@worldonline.nl - 30 Jun 2008 17:47 GMT
> "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote in news:f4c22eb7-
> 29bd-40f6-b2d4-a0cb18629...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Isn't exposing them as the frauds they are "hurting" them?

He said:
"Hey, I don't consciously try to hurt people other than cult leaders.
"

Which left open the possibility that he was consciously trying to hurt
cult leaders.
If they are frauds they should be exposed. It they are hurt by that,
that should not keep one from doing so.
However, hurting them should not be the motive, exposing the fraud
should be the motive.

I agree it is a bit subtle, but I am really quit serious about it.

Peter van Velzen
June 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Eldon - 30 Jun 2008 06:43 GMT
On Jun 29, 8:09 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
wrote:

> > On Jun 29, 7:12 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> > wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> If you think they are doing something wrong,
> feel free to stop them.

By "hurt," I meant depriving them of money and power, which are the
two languages they tend to understand.

> But hurting them should - as such - not be your aim.
> Long ago the Romans crusifief a cult-leader,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Amstelveen
> The Netherlands
pbamvv@worldonline.nl - 30 Jun 2008 17:55 GMT
> On Jun 29, 8:09 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> wrote:
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> By "hurt," I meant depriving them of money and power, which are the
> two languages they tend to understand.

If depriving them of money and power is your motive, you are wrong,
if it is a way to set strait something they did wrong, it might be
right.
It would depend on wether they have a moral right to that money and
power or not.

I am not talking about legal or illegal, as I am not a lawyer,
I am talking basic morality here.

One might harm someone, in order to prevent greater harm, or in order
to do greater good. But without greater good brought about, or greater
harm prevented, it is not a moral thing to do.

But I suppose you knew that already

Peter van Velzen
June 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Fredric L. Rice - 30 Jun 2008 03:24 GMT
>Somehow your post did that to me.
>I do not know Eldon Braun, but I do know you want to hurt Eldon Braun.
>You should not.
>If you truly think that person might one day hurt someone,
>report your reasons to the police, but do not enduldge in what is
>probably slander.

He raped O. J. Simpson, too.  Can you believe it?

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Smith when asked why he gave so much money to Scientology
barb - 30 Jun 2008 05:32 GMT
>> Somehow your post did that to me.
>> I do not know Eldon Braun, but I do know you want to hurt Eldon Braun.
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> "What was I gonna do?  They had my child!" -- Actor Will
> Smith when asked why he gave so much money to Scientology

OJ axed for it...

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Fredric L. Rice - 30 Jun 2008 15:10 GMT
>> He raped O. J. Simpson, too.  Can you believe it?
>OJ axed for it...

Robert Blake got away with it, too.

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"What was I gonna do?  They had my child!" -- Actor Will
Smith when asked why he gave so much money to Scientology
(That's a joke, by the way.)
pbamvv@worldonline.nl - 30 Jun 2008 18:00 GMT
> "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote:
> >Somehow your post did that to me.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> "What was I gonna do?  They had my child!" -- Actor Will
> Smith when asked why he gave so much money to Scientology

Rape is not a moral thing to do.
to anyone.
But I presume this is not slander,
but just a effort to make a joke.

Alas vigilantees are not something to joke about.

Peter van Velzen
June 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
 
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