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CDC Admits Thimerosal Safety Study Flawed

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Jan Drew - 24 Jun 2008 23:30 GMT
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June 20

CDC Admits Thimerosal Safety Study Flawed
... so basically, you can't trust anything they've said about how safe
thimerosal is, or vaccines are. They've been doing the bidding of Big Pharma
all along, in addition to their own pathological quest to vaccinate everyone
against everything as soon after birth as possible (as if there is no other
way to prevent diseases, and as if vaccines are harmless).

Click through the link to read David Kirby's piece on the Huffington Post.

Quote

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/cdc-vaccine-study-design_b_108398.html

CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding has delivered a potentially explosive
report to the powerful House Appropriations Committee, in which she admits
to a startling string of errors in the design and methods used in the CDC's
landmark 2003 study that found no link between mercury in vaccines and
autism, ADHD, speech delay or tics.

Gerberding was responding to a 2006 report from the National Institute of
Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS), which concluded that the CDC's
flagship thimerosal safety study was riddled with "several areas of
weaknesses" that combined to "reduce the usefulness" of the study.

"CDC concurs," Dr. Gerberding wrote in an undated mea culpa to Congress,
(provided to me through a Capitol Hill staffer) adding that her agency "does
not plan to use" the database in question, the Vaccine Safety Datalink,
(VSD) for any future "ecological studies" of autism.

In fact, Gerberding's report said, any continued use of the VSD for similar
ecological studies of vaccines and autism "would be uninformative and
potentially misleading."

Ecological vaccine studies are large, epidemiological analyses of risks and
trends using computerized data from large populations -- in this case
children enrolled at several big HMOs -- without ever examining a single
patient in person.

CDC officials conducted at least five separate analyses of the data over a
four-year period from 1999-2003. The first analysis showed that children
exposed to the most thimerosal by one month of age had extremely high
relative risks for a number of outcomes, compared with children who got
little or no mercury: The relative risk for ADHD was 8.29 times higher, for
autism, it was 7.62 times higher, ADD, 6.38 times higher, tics, 5.65 times,
and speech and language delays were 2.09 more likely among kids who got the
most mercury.

Over time, however, all of these risks declined into statistical
insignificance, statistical inconsistency or else outright oblivion: The
relative risk for autism plummeted from 7.62 in the first analysis, to 2.48
in the second version, to 1.69 in the third round, to 1.52 in the fourth,
and down to nothing at all in the fifth, final, and published analysis
printed in the Journal Pediatrics in November of 2003.

Vaccine officials attributed the steady drop to the elimination of
"statistical noise" from the data through due diligence and the endeavor for
excellence in governmental statistical analysis.

Indeed, the VSD study was the main pillar of a hugely influential 2004
report by the Institute of Medicine, which also concluded that there was no
evidence of link between mercury, vaccines and autism.

To this day, public health officials routinely point to five "large
epidemiological studies" representing the "highest quality science," none of
which found any link to thimerosal.

In fact, the American VSD study has long been held up as the best and
brightest of them all (the others were in Sweden, the UK, and two in
Denmark). And this reputation has stuck in the minds of medicine and the
media.

Curiously though, even the study's lead author -- Dr. Thomas Verstraeten, an
employee of vaccine maker GlaxoSmithKline -- protested that the VSD study
"found no evidence against an association, as a negative study would. In
fact, he said that additional study was needed, which "is the conclusion to
which a neutral study must come."

That's when Congress stepped in.

In 2005, a group of Senators and Representatives headed by Sen. Joe
Lieberman wrote to the NIEHS (an agency of the National Institutes of
Health) saying that many parents no longer trusted the CDC to conduct
independent minded studies of its own vaccine program. Lieberman et al asked
NIEHS to review the CDC's work on the vaccine database and report back with
critiques and suggestions.

The final NIEHS report was a serious and thoughtful critique of where the
CDC went wrong in its design, conduct and analysis of the study. The NIEHS
panel "identified several serious problems," with the CDC's effort,
criticism to which the agency had not responded -- until now.

In her letter to the House Appropriations Committee, the CDC Director
responded directly to many -- though not all -- of the most important
criticisms and recommendations contained in the NIEHS panel report.

For example, the NIEHS had criticized CDC for failing to account for other
mercury exposures, including maternal sources from flu shots and immune
globulin, as well as mercury in food and the environment.

"CDC acknowledges this concern and recognizes this limitation," the
Gerberding reply says.

The NIEHS also took CDC to task for eliminating 25% of the study population
for a variety of reasons, even though this represented, "a susceptible
population whose removal from the analysis might unintentionally reduce the
ability to detect an effect of thimerosal." This strict entry criteria
likely led to an "under-ascertainment" of autism cases, the NIEHS reported.

"CDC concurs," Gerberding wrote, again noting that its study design was "not
appropriate for studying this vaccine safety topic. The data are intended
for administrative purposes and may not be predictive of the outcomes
studied."

Another serious problem was that the HMOs changed the way they tracked and
recorded autism diagnoses over time, including during the period when
vaccine mercury levels were in decline. Such changes could "affect the
observed rate of autism and could confound or distort trends in autism
rates," the NIEHS warned.

"CDC concurs," Dr. Gerberding wrote again, "that conducting an ecologic
analysis using VSD administrative data to address potential associations
between thimerosal exposure and risk of ASD is not useful."

Read that sentence one more time. The head of the CDC is saying that its
most powerful and convincing piece of exonerating evidence for thimerosal
is, in effect, "useless."

I hope everyone will read it, including the recommendations to make the VSD
better, and the CDC's agreement with all of the suggestions.

As questionable at the US thimerosal study was, "it was an improvement on
other studies, including the two in Denmark, both of which had serious
weaknesses in their designs," Dr. Irva Hertz-Picciotto, Professor of Public
Health at UC Davis Medical School and Chair of the NIEHS panel, told
reporter Dan Olmsted at UPI.

That leaves very little for the CDC to go on in terms of proving that
thimerosal and autism are not associated in any way.

Yes, there is always the study of disability services data from
California -- which seem to be rising among the youngest cohorts of kids,
who presumably received little or no mercury because thimerosal was largely
removed from childhood shots.

But California is an "ecological study" with problems of its own.

"Although (this) information is often used by media and research entities to
develop statistics and draw conclusions, some of these findings may
misrepresent the quarterly figures," cautions the website of the California
Department of Developmental Services (DDS). "Increases in the number of
persons reported from one quarter to the next do not necessarily represent
persons who are new to the DDS system."

Even the CDC admits that "there are several limitations" with linking a VSD
study design with the California data, Gerberding wrote to Congress,
because, among other things, California only counts "persons who were
referred to and/or voluntarily entered" the disability system."

It will be interesting to see how the House Committee -- and the mainstream
media -- react to this rather breathtaking confession by the CDC, which does
seem to want to conduct the best vaccine-autism science possible (see
Gerberding's replies to NIEHS recommendations for improving the VSD: CDC
officials are currently conducting in- depth follow up studies with VSD
patients).

As the waning months of the Bush administration get underway, I can't help
but wonder if a little housecleaning might be going on at some of our top
health agencies.
Citizen Jimserac - 25 Jun 2008 13:06 GMT
> http://theresma.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!80EE15D075B65A13!361.entry
>
[quoted text clipped - 168 lines]
> but wonder if a little housecleaning might be going on at some of our top
> health agencies.

Oh WHOOPS!  Darn it, the studies were flawed...

WE'RE SORRY EVERYONE, SAYS THE CDC, BUT... DARN IT,
"CDC concurs," Gerberding wrote, again noting that its study design
was "not
> appropriate for studying this vaccine safety topic. The data are intended
> for administrative purposes and may not be predictive of the outcomes
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> analysis using VSD administrative data to address potential associations
> between thimerosal exposure and risk of ASD is not useful."

is NOT USEFUL??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And THIS is the data that Bowditch
and Probee were using in their
hysterical "defense" of vaccinations???

THAT MEANS EVERYTHING STATED BY BOWDITCH AND PROBEE
IN DEFENSE OF THY-MESS-OR-SLUDGE-OL can be discarded.

Maybe they can come up with some insults
or misdirection now to... you know, sort of
distract attention from this major problem.

Citizen Jimserac
Mark Probert - 25 Jun 2008 13:20 GMT
> >http://theresma.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!80EE15D075B65A13!361.entry
>
[quoted text clipped - 193 lines]
> And THIS is the data that Bowditch
> and Probee were using ...

Actually, David Kirby is flawed. Seriously flawed.

Read the articles at this blog, written by a trained and experienced
epidemiologist.

Note how Kirby's lies are well documented.

Now, do your homework, and try to remember what you have read. I
posted this before, you responded, and, apparently your dysfunctional
brain could not retain it.
Citizen Jimserac - 25 Jun 2008 15:19 GMT
> > >http://theresma.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!80EE15D075B65A13!361.entry
>
[quoted text clipped - 204 lines]
> posted this before, you responded, and, apparently your dysfunctional
> brain could not retain it.

Mark, please help us out here, I can SEE that vaccinations are
REALLY TAKING A BEATING lately here in misc.health.alternative
and I KNOW you've been really doing a good job
with MISDIRECTIONS, INSULTS and DENIALISM,
all that your one track remnant of a brain
is capable of after all those years denialism,
so, please, especially after articles
such as THIS one (I MUS tell you about it
so you can "defend" vaccinations a little better)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deirdre-imus/a-timely-truth-untold-aga_b_104711.html

I know you will help us all understand
why the poison vaccines which weaken our immune
system and have long term deleterious
consequences are really GOOD for us and
even GOOD for little babies.

Now get to work, you've got some serious
explaining to do, that is if you
are MENTALLY capable of it.

Good luck Probee!!!!!!

(ha ha haha hahahahaha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

Citizen Jimserac
D. C. Sessions - 25 Jun 2008 16:09 GMT
> I know you will help us all understand
> why the poison vaccines which weaken our immune
> system and have long term deleterious
> consequences are really GOOD for us and
> even GOOD for little babies.

No, because your statement above amounts to a list of
unfounded assumptions.  Any conclusions drawn therefrom
would be -- well, pretty much typical for you.

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Citizen Jimserac - 25 Jun 2008 17:43 GMT
> In message <8252fcbb-c333-4444-a61c-0bef09736...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> |  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
> +-------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---------+

Now YOU are no idiot like Probert and therefore I supply
you with THIS quote regarding congressional hearings
on JUST ONE type of vaccine and the deleterious consequences
that is has brought to our soldiers:

READ AND LEARN. Pay particular attention to the
last sentence in the quote.

from:
http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/feb_8_02/AnthrVaxRisks.htm

Congressional Hearings on Anthrax vaccine
Amid anthrax worries, many veterans decry military's vaccination
program

Civilians who want the anthrax vaccine but can’t get access may be
surprised that a growing coalition of concerned citizens — mostly
military — is decrying its use.

Many objecting to the vaccine are military veterans who say they have
been severely injured by it. Others were court-martialed for refusing
the inoculation. Some say the inoculation is riskier than treating
anthrax infection with antibiotics.

Anthrax Vaccine: Controversy Over Safety and Efficacy

The anthrax vaccine in use remains unproven in its ability to stop a
lethal dose of weaponized Bacillus anthracis spores, and there are
questions about its safety. According to the U.S. Army Medical
Research Institute for Infectious Disease (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick,
MD, the anthrax vaccine used by the military was determined to be
safe, and adverse reactions were found to occur only at the rate of
one per 50,000 doses (less than 0.002%). This has now been revised to
a rate of 0.02-0.2% or higher. Moreover, in recent testimony by one of
us [M.N.] to the National Academy of Sciences the safety of the
anthrax vaccine and the rates of adverse reactions were questioned.
Using Dover AFB as an example, the rate of chronic health problems
after receiving the anthrax vaccine may be as high as 7%. The
difference is that the official rates are for acute reactions only.
The Department of Defense (DoD) claims that the rate for vaccine
chronic reactions is zero.

A major part of the problem in assessing vaccine safety is in how
vaccine adverse effects are reported. "

There is a BIG difference between NO chronic reactions and chronic
health problems reported by Dover Air Force Base at 7%.

Citizen Jimserac
Mark Probert - 25 Jun 2008 23:31 GMT
> > In message <8252fcbb-c333-4444-a61c-0bef09736...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> READ AND LEARN. Pay particular attention to the
> last sentence in the quote.

Let's see...Jimmy does not like (or understand) what DCS wrote (most
likely the lattrer) so he MISDIRECTS the conversation with anthrax.

> from:http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/feb_8_02/AnthrVaxRisks.htm
>
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -
D. C. Sessions - 26 Jun 2008 03:16 GMT
>> > In message <8252fcbb-c333-4444-a61c-0bef09736...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Let's see...Jimmy does not like (or understand) what DCS wrote (most
> likely the lattrer) so he MISDIRECTS the conversation with anthrax.

Yeah, well -- "when you have the facts on your side, pound on
the facts.  When you have the science on your side, pound on
the science.  When you have neither the facts nor the science
on your side, pound on the table."

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Mark Probert - 26 Jun 2008 14:24 GMT
> In message <06fc8990-242b-48bd-b1eb-0b5baeb1c...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Mark Probert wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> the science.  When you have neither the facts nor the science
> on your side, pound on the table."

Jimmy woul ddo himself well if he pounded the table with something
other than his head.
Jan Drew - 27 Jun 2008 01:56 GMT
>Jimmy

Is not the subject.
D. C. Sessions - 26 Jun 2008 03:13 GMT
>> In message <8252fcbb-c333-4444-a61c-0bef09736...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>> unfounded assumptions.  Any conclusions drawn therefrom
>> would be -- well, pretty much typical for you.

> Now YOU are no idiot like Probert and therefore I supply
> you with THIS quote regarding congressional hearings
> on JUST ONE type of vaccine and the deleterious consequences
> that is has brought to our soldiers:

I'm glad that you agree that I'm no idiot -- but I would
not in the least claim to be any less of one than Mark.
About all you accomplish by calling him one is advertise
your complete lack of anything substantive to contribute.

> READ AND LEARN. Pay particular attention to the
> last sentence in the quote.

... which has nothing whatever to do with your contention
quoted above.

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Citizen Jimserac - 26 Jun 2008 11:52 GMT
> In message <0958a2f9-539b-45a4-9b59-a2874fdef...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> About all you accomplish by calling him one is advertise
> your complete lack of anything substantive to contribute.

Oh excuse me, but this is the first time
I've actually gotten some coherent posts
from the dude.  Apparently you HAVE to insult
him in order to goad him into making some
half decent comments.  Whatever it takes!

CJ
Valdeprobe is NOT a moron (it just seems that way)!
Mark Probert - 26 Jun 2008 14:25 GMT
> > In message <0958a2f9-539b-45a4-9b59-a2874fdef...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> CJ
> Valdeprobe is NOT a moron (it just seems that way)!-

Only to the cognitively diluted.
D. C. Sessions - 27 Jun 2008 03:07 GMT
>> In message <0958a2f9-539b-45a4-9b59-a2874fdef...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote:

>> > Now YOU are no idiot like Probert and therefore I supply
>> > you with THIS quote regarding congressional hearings
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> him in order to goad him into making some
> half decent comments.  Whatever it takes!

On the contrary, I don't think I have ever insulted Mark
and have always gotten coherent, thoughtful posts and
e-mail from him.  That may be because I have instead
posted rational messages.  If that option isn't available
to you (and I suspect that to be the case) then perhaps
your only alternative is to keep dialing up the foaming
abuse.

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Mark Probert - 27 Jun 2008 13:41 GMT
> > In message <0958a2f9-539b-45a4-9b59-a2874fdef...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> him in order to goad him into making some
> half decent comments.  Whatever it takes!

As usual, your defective memory failed you again. I initially tried to
have a LOGICAL rational discussion with you over homeoquackery. I
asked you to actually prove the fundamentals, and you did the weasel
and never even attempted to do so.

Instead, you began attacking me, came up with "Valdeprobe" and did a
lot of couch jumping.

You are continuing that. I am confident in my initial analyis of you,
i.e. that you do not have the ability to engage in a logical and
rational discussion. In fact, you have never posted one message that
comes even close to having me call that conclusion into question.
Jan Drew - 29 Jun 2008 06:43 GMT
Leave Citizen Jimserac alone.
Citizen Jimserac - 29 Jun 2008 15:12 GMT
> On Jun 26, 6:52 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> rational discussion. In fact, you have never posted one message that
> comes even close to having me call that conclusion into question.

Frankly, I tried resorting to insults because that was
YOUR characteristic method of communication and I was UNABLE to get
any rational posts from YOU.

After the insults, I discovered the quality of your posts improved and
you DID come up with good arguments worthy
of disucssion.  Now that I've stopped the insults
you're back to your old stuff again.

SAY... You're NOT PART KLINGON ARE YOU?

Anyway, I find it is just too tiresome to have
to intersperse my comments with idiotic insults.
Besides, as you have already figured out
by now, they are intended as part of the
humourous banter characteristic of this
newsgroup.  Each of the Gang of Four -
Peter, Doc Schultz, D.C. and You
have all at one time or another
posted really good stuff which I find
of interest and/or have learned from.

You have INDEED posted some good stuff
and in fact, I tried several times to come
up with a proof of the law of similars and ended
up with complete mishmash unworthy of posting -
but remember, Homeopathy is just a side interest
for me, my main interests are Acupuncture and especially
Chinese Herbology.  I find the research exciting
with regards to its possible benefits in cancer treatments,
and, as you already must know, Chinese herbs
are being used as part of the amelioration
of chemotherapy treatments even by standard medicine.

I have posted a thread on this Wakefield
matter which I would like you to respond to,
your comments there might be of interest
to me despite the fact that you are an idiot.

Many thanks
Citizen Jimserac
D. C. Sessions - 29 Jun 2008 19:19 GMT
> Anyway, I find it is just too tiresome to have
> to intersperse my comments with idiotic insults.

That should reduce the group volume rather dramatically.

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Mark Probert - 26 Jun 2008 14:23 GMT
> In message <0958a2f9-539b-45a4-9b59-a2874fdef...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> About all you accomplish by calling him one is advertise
> your complete lack of anything substantive to contribute.

Thanks, DC. Jimmy demonstrates hi slack of substance (probably diluted
beyond recognition by any scientific testing) when he admits that he
posted an article by Diedre Imus without reading it.

> > READ AND LEARN. Pay particular attention to the
> > last sentence in the quote.
>
> ... which has nothing whatever to do with your contention
> quoted above.

Sadly, Jimmy's reading comprehension went with the dilution.
Jan Drew - 27 Jun 2008 01:58 GMT
> Jimmy  

Is not the subject.
Jan Drew - 26 Jun 2008 06:07 GMT
CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding has delivered a potentially explosive
report to the powerful House Appropriations Committee, in which she admits
to a startling string of errors in the design and methods used in the CDC's
landmark 2003 study that found no link between mercury in vaccines and
autism, ADHD, speech delay or tics.

Gerberding was responding to a 2006 report from the National Institute of
Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS), which concluded that the CDC's
flagship thimerosal safety study was riddled with "several areas of
weaknesses" that combined to "reduce the usefulness" of the study.

"CDC concurs," Dr. Gerberding wrote in an undated mea culpa to Congress,
(provided to me through a Capitol Hill staffer) adding that her agency "does
not plan to use" the database in question, the Vaccine Safety Datalink,
(VSD) for any future "ecological studies" of autism.

In fact, Gerberding's report said, any continued use of the VSD for similar
ecological studies of vaccines and autism "would be uninformative and
potentially misleading."

Ecological vaccine studies are large, epidemiological analyses of risks and
trends using computerized data from large populations -- in this case
children enrolled at several big HMOs -- without ever examining a single
patient in person.

CDC officials conducted at least five separate analyses of the data over a
four-year period from 1999-2003. The first analysis showed that children
exposed to the most thimerosal by one month of age had extremely high
relative risks for a number of outcomes, compared with children who got
little or no mercury: The relative risk for ADHD was 8.29 times higher, for
autism, it was 7.62 times higher, ADD, 6.38 times higher, tics, 5.65 times,
and speech and language delays were 2.09 more likely among kids who got the
most mercury.

Over time, however, all of these risks declined into statistical
insignificance, statistical inconsistency or else outright oblivion: The
relative risk for autism plummeted from 7.62 in the first analysis, to 2.48
in the second version, to 1.69 in the third round, to 1.52 in the fourth,
and down to nothing at all in the fifth, final, and published analysis
printed in the Journal Pediatrics in November of 2003.

Vaccine officials attributed the steady drop to the elimination of
"statistical noise" from the data through due diligence and the endeavor for
excellence in governmental statistical analysis.

Indeed, the VSD study was the main pillar of a hugely influential 2004
report by the Institute of Medicine, which also concluded that there was no
evidence of link between mercury, vaccines and autism.

To this day, public health officials routinely point to five "large
epidemiological studies" representing the "highest quality science," none of
which found any link to thimerosal.

In fact, the American VSD study has long been held up as the best and
brightest of them all (the others were in Sweden, the UK, and two in
Denmark). And this reputation has stuck in the minds of medicine and the
media.

Curiously though, even the study's lead author -- Dr. Thomas Verstraeten, an
employee of vaccine maker GlaxoSmithKline -- protested that the VSD study
"found no evidence against an association, as a negative study would. In
fact, he said that additional study was needed, which "is the conclusion to
which a neutral study must come."

That's when Congress stepped in.

In 2005, a group of Senators and Representatives headed by Sen. Joe
Lieberman wrote to the NIEHS (an agency of the National Institutes of
Health) saying that many parents no longer trusted the CDC to conduct
independent minded studies of its own vaccine program. Lieberman et al asked
NIEHS to review the CDC's work on the vaccine database and report back with
critiques and suggestions.

The final NIEHS report was a serious and thoughtful critique of where the
CDC went wrong in its design, conduct and analysis of the study. The NIEHS
panel "identified several serious problems," with the CDC's effort,
criticism to which the agency had not responded -- until now.

In her letter to the House Appropriations Committee, the CDC Director
responded directly to many -- though not all -- of the most important
criticisms and recommendations contained in the NIEHS panel report.

For example, the NIEHS had criticized CDC for failing to account for other
mercury exposures, including maternal sources from flu shots and immune
globulin, as well as mercury in food and the environment.

"CDC acknowledges this concern and recognizes this limitation," the
Gerberding reply says.

The NIEHS also took CDC to task for eliminating 25% of the study population
for a variety of reasons, even though this represented, "a susceptible
population whose removal from the analysis might unintentionally reduce the
ability to detect an effect of thimerosal." This strict entry criteria
likely led to an "under-ascertainment" of autism cases, the NIEHS reported.

"CDC concurs," Gerberding wrote, again noting that its study design was "not
appropriate for studying this vaccine safety topic. The data are intended
for administrative purposes and may not be predictive of the outcomes
studied."

Another serious problem was that the HMOs changed the way they tracked and
recorded autism diagnoses over time, including during the period when
vaccine mercury levels were in decline. Such changes could "affect the
observed rate of autism and could confound or distort trends in autism
rates," the NIEHS warned.

"CDC concurs," Dr. Gerberding wrote again, "that conducting an ecologic
analysis using VSD administrative data to address potential associations
between thimerosal exposure and risk of ASD is not useful."

Read that sentence one more time. The head of the CDC is saying that its
most powerful and convincing piece of exonerating evidence for thimerosal
is, in effect, "useless."

I hope everyone will read it, including the recommendations to make the VSD
better, and the CDC's agreement with all of the suggestions.

As questionable at the US thimerosal study was, "it was an improvement on
other studies, including the two in Denmark, both of which had serious
weaknesses in their designs," Dr. Irva Hertz-Picciotto, Professor of Public
Health at UC Davis Medical School and Chair of the NIEHS panel, told
reporter Dan Olmsted at UPI.

That leaves very little for the CDC to go on in terms of proving that
thimerosal and autism are not associated in any way.

Yes, there is always the study of disability services data from
California -- which seem to be rising among the youngest cohorts of kids,
who presumably received little or no mercury because thimerosal was largely
removed from childhood shots.

But California is an "ecological study" with problems of its own.

"Although (this) information is often used by media and research entities to
develop statistics and draw conclusions, some of these findings may
misrepresent the quarterly figures," cautions the website of the California
Department of Developmental Services (DDS). "Increases in the number of
persons reported from one quarter to the next do not necessarily represent
persons who are new to the DDS system."

Even the CDC admits that "there are several limitations" with linking a VSD
study design with the California data, Gerberding wrote to Congress,
because, among other things, California only counts "persons who were
referred to and/or voluntarily entered" the disability system."

It will be interesting to see how the House Committee -- and the mainstream
media -- react to this rather breathtaking confession by the CDC, which does
seem to want to conduct the best vaccine-autism science possible (see
Gerberding's replies to NIEHS recommendations for improving the VSD: CDC
officials are currently conducting in- depth follow up studies with VSD
patients).
Citizen Jimserac - 26 Jun 2008 11:56 GMT
> CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding has delivered a potentially explosive
> report to the powerful House Appropriations Committee, in which she admits
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> flagship thimerosal safety study was riddled with "several areas of
> weaknesses" that combined to "reduce the usefulness" of the study.

Oh NO!!!!!!  I just exchanged some
posts with robot Proby in which he actually
maintained several coherent sentences
and semblance of a rational argument
BASED ON CDC information.

Poor PROBY!!!  It's back to the drawing
board for him.

Citizen Jimserac
Mark Probert - 26 Jun 2008 14:27 GMT
> > CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding has delivered a potentially explosive
> > report to the powerful House Appropriations Committee, in which she admits
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Poor PROBY!!!  It's back to the drawing
> board for him.

No, dumbass, you are wrong. That tortured twisting of the original
report was addessed previously and showed that the writer either lied,
or did not have a clue about what they were reading.

Of course, with your diluted cognition, you are incapable of
remembering that.
Citizen Jimserac - 26 Jun 2008 22:46 GMT
> On Jun 26, 6:56 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> Of course, with your diluted cognition, you are incapable of
> remembering that.

Merc Proby produces sentences of some syntactical structure
but the semantics is, to utilize peter's excelent phrase,
vacuous.  Now HERE, he has NO answers regarding
the criticisms of a CDC report other than to deny
the criticisms and attack the author.

Deny and attack.
Deny and attack.
Deny and attack
Deny and attack.
Deny and attack.....

It's like a busted CD player with you Proby,
DON'T you ever post anything original?
OH WAIT!!!  That would take rational thought,
and Proby has abandoned all reason in his mad
pursuit of favoritism towards big pharma
and big vacca.

For a nitwit, a fairly intelligent dumbell,
Proby somewhere is missing some key cognitive
links.... WAIT, I KNOW!!!!!  PROBY, CHECK YOUR SHOULDERS
AND BACK ... DO YOU HAVE THICK HAIR GROWING OUT
OF THERE?

PROBY MIGHT BE THE MISSING LINK BETWEEN
MAN AND APE!!!!  YES THAT'S IT!!!!!

Proby is a TROGLODYTE!!!!!!  Well that
begins to explain EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!

Living in a cave all the time, NO WONDER
Proby has a mixed up idea about what's going
on.  The poor guy must think the vaccination
companies are the government and that he's
being patriotic by blindly supporting their
every fallacious fear mongering assertion!!!

Does anyone know of a zoo that might accept
Proby, those cold dark caves have obviously
affected him!!!!

Citizen Jimserac
Mark Probert - 26 Jun 2008 23:13 GMT
> > On Jun 26, 6:56 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> the criticisms of a CDC report other than to deny
> the criticisms and attack the author.

Listen, asswipe, I posted the definitive criticisms of KirbyKrap the
other day. I do not have to go and repost them if your meory is so
diluted that you cannot remember them.

> Deny and attack.
> Deny and attack.
> Deny and attack
> Deny and attack.
> Deny and attack.....

Yes, that is precisely what you are doing by reposting the same thing
over and over and over....

> It's like a busted CD player with you Proby,
> DON'T you ever post anything original?

Do learn how to remember. Perhaps an adult ed course at your high
school can help.

> OH WAIT!!!  That would take rational thought,

How would you know? Your connection with rational thought is non-
existent.

> and Proby has abandoned all reason in his mad
> pursuit of favoritism towards big pharma
> and big vacca.

Chuckle.

> For a nitwit, a fairly intelligent dumbell

Being self-referential again?

>  Proby somewhere is missing some key cognitive
> links.... WAIT, I KNOW!!!!!  PROBY, CHECK YOUR SHOULDERS
> AND BACK ... DO YOU HAVE THICK HAIR GROWING OUT
> OF THERE?

Not even close. I do admire your ability to drag your knuckles off the
floor so you can type.

> PROBY MIGHT BE THE MISSING LINK BETWEEN
> MAN AND APE!!!!  YES THAT'S IT!!!!!

Couch Jumping.

> Proby is a TROGLODYTE!!!!!!  Well that
> begins to explain EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Proby, those cold dark caves have obviously
> affected him!!!!

The only cold, dark place around here is your cranial cavity.
Jan Drew - 27 Jun 2008 02:00 GMT
CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding has delivered a potentially explosive
report to the powerful House Appropriations Committee, in which she admits
to a startling string of errors in the design and methods used in the CDC's
landmark 2003 study that found no link between mercury in vaccines and
autism, ADHD, speech delay or tics.

Gerberding was responding to a 2006 report from the National Institute of
Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS), which concluded that the CDC's
flagship thimerosal safety study was riddled with "several areas of
weaknesses" that combined to "reduce the usefulness" of the study.

"CDC concurs," Dr. Gerberding wrote in an undated mea culpa to Congress,
(provided to me through a Capitol Hill staffer) adding that her agency "does
not plan to use" the database in question, the Vaccine Safety Datalink,
(VSD) for any future "ecological studies" of autism.

In fact, Gerberding's report said, any continued use of the VSD for similar
ecological studies of vaccines and autism "would be uninformative and
potentially misleading."

Ecological vaccine studies are large, epidemiological analyses of risks and
trends using computerized data from large populations -- in this case
children enrolled at several big HMOs -- without ever examining a single
patient in person.

CDC officials conducted at least five separate analyses of the data over a
four-year period from 1999-2003. The first analysis showed that children
exposed to the most thimerosal by one month of age had extremely high
relative risks for a number of outcomes, compared with children who got
little or no mercury: The relative risk for ADHD was 8.29 times higher, for
autism, it was 7.62 times higher, ADD, 6.38 times higher, tics, 5.65 times,
and speech and language delays were 2.09 more likely among kids who got the
most mercury.

Over time, however, all of these risks declined into statistical
insignificance, statistical inconsistency or else outright oblivion: The
relative risk for autism plummeted from 7.62 in the first analysis, to 2.48
in the second version, to 1.69 in the third round, to 1.52 in the fourth,
and down to nothing at all in the fifth, final, and published analysis
printed in the Journal Pediatrics in November of 2003.

Vaccine officials attributed the steady drop to the elimination of
"statistical noise" from the data through due diligence and the endeavor for
excellence in governmental statistical analysis.

Indeed, the VSD study was the main pillar of a hugely influential 2004
report by the Institute of Medicine, which also concluded that there was no
evidence of link between mercury, vaccines and autism.

To this day, public health officials routinely point to five "large
epidemiological studies" representing the "highest quality science," none of
which found any link to thimerosal.

In fact, the American VSD study has long been held up as the best and
brightest of them all (the others were in Sweden, the UK, and two in
Denmark). And this reputation has stuck in the minds of medicine and the
media.

Curiously though, even the study's lead author -- Dr. Thomas Verstraeten, an
employee of vaccine maker GlaxoSmithKline -- protested that the VSD study
"found no evidence against an association, as a negative study would. In
fact, he said that additional study was needed, which "is the conclusion to
which a neutral study must come."

That's when Congress stepped in.

In 2005, a group of Senators and Representatives headed by Sen. Joe
Lieberman wrote to the NIEHS (an agency of the National Institutes of
Health) saying that many parents no longer trusted the CDC to conduct
independent minded studies of its own vaccine program. Lieberman et al asked
NIEHS to review the CDC's work on the vaccine database and report back with
critiques and suggestions.

The final NIEHS report was a serious and thoughtful critique of where the
CDC went wrong in its design, conduct and analysis of the study. The NIEHS
panel "identified several serious problems," with the CDC's effort,
criticism to which the agency had not responded -- until now.

In her letter to the House Appropriations Committee, the CDC Director
responded directly to many -- though not all -- of the most important
criticisms and recommendations contained in the NIEHS panel report.

For example, the NIEHS had criticized CDC for failing to account for other
mercury exposures, including maternal sources from flu shots and immune
globulin, as well as mercury in food and the environment.

"CDC acknowledges this concern and recognizes this limitation," the
Gerberding reply says.

The NIEHS also took CDC to task for eliminating 25% of the study population
for a variety of reasons, even though this represented, "a susceptible
population whose removal from the analysis might unintentionally reduce the
ability to detect an effect of thimerosal." This strict entry criteria
likely led to an "under-ascertainment" of autism cases, the NIEHS reported.

"CDC concurs," Gerberding wrote, again noting that its study design was "not
appropriate for studying this vaccine safety topic. The data are intended
for administrative purposes and may not be predictive of the outcomes
studied."

Another serious problem was that the HMOs changed the way they tracked and
recorded autism diagnoses over time, including during the period when
vaccine mercury levels were in decline. Such changes could "affect the
observed rate of autism and could confound or distort trends in autism
rates," the NIEHS warned.

"CDC concurs," Dr. Gerberding wrote again, "that conducting an ecologic
analysis using VSD administrative data to address potential associations
between thimerosal exposure and risk of ASD is not useful."

Read that sentence one more time. The head of the CDC is saying that its
most powerful and convincing piece of exonerating evidence for thimerosal
is, in effect, "useless."

I hope everyone will read it, including the recommendations to make the VSD
better, and the CDC's agreement with all of the suggestions.

As questionable at the US thimerosal study was, "it was an improvement on
other studies, including the two in Denmark, both of which had serious
weaknesses in their designs," Dr. Irva Hertz-Picciotto, Professor of Public
Health at UC Davis Medical School and Chair of the NIEHS panel, told
reporter Dan Olmsted at UPI.

That leaves very little for the CDC to go on in terms of proving that
thimerosal and autism are not associated in any way.

Yes, there is always the study of disability services data from
California -- which seem to be rising among the youngest cohorts of kids,
who presumably received little or no mercury because thimerosal was largely
removed from childhood shots.

But California is an "ecological study" with problems of its own.

"Although (this) information is often used by media and research entities to
develop statistics and draw conclusions, some of these findings may
misrepresent the quarterly figures," cautions the website of the California
Department of Developmental Services (DDS). "Increases in the number of
persons reported from one quarter to the next do not necessarily represent
persons who are new to the DDS system."

Even the CDC admits that "there are several limitations" with linking a VSD
study design with the California data, Gerberding wrote to Congress,
because, among other things, California only counts "persons who were
referred to and/or voluntarily entered" the disability system."

It will be interesting to see how the House Committee -- and the mainstream
media -- react to this rather breathtaking confession by the CDC, which does
seem to want to conduct the best vaccine-autism science possible (see
Gerberding's replies to NIEHS recommendations for improving the VSD: CDC
officials are currently conducting in- depth follow up studies with VSD
patients).
Citizen Jimserac - 27 Jun 2008 11:43 GMT
> On Jun 26, 5:46 pm, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 95 lines]
>
> The only cold, dark place around here is your cranial cavity.

Well Proby, since you have FINALLY made some
half decent posts when insulted, do you suppose
we could exchange some comments
WITHOUT these preposterous insults.
I really find this rather tiresome.

Citizen Jimserac
Jan Drew - 27 Jun 2008 01:54 GMT
...
On Jun 25, 8:06 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 6:30 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 244 lines]
> And THIS is the data that Bowditch
> and Probee were using ...
D. C. Sessions - 25 Jun 2008 13:47 GMT
(David Kirby)

> is NOT USEFUL??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quite right.  Rather than take one of Kirby's spins on the
material (he's rapidly changing his story in response to
being caught out) you might actually go back to the source.

The "ecological studies are not useful" was in the context
of an inquiry into design of a new study with more power
than those previously conducted.  The conclusion was that
there was nothing new to be had from an ecological study
and that any new study would have to gather more individual
data.

That doesn't work nearly as well for headlines, though.

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Mark Probert - 25 Jun 2008 23:29 GMT
> In message <6aebbcf6-a1ad-4d04-b3e8-906ec3de3...@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> That doesn't work nearly as well for headlines, though.

Nor for Jimmy. I am sure he does not have a clue about what you just
wrote.
Jan Drew - 26 Jun 2008 06:13 GMT
> http://theresma.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!80EE15D075B65A13!361.entry
>
[quoted text clipped - 169 lines]
> but wonder if a little housecleaning might be going on at some of our top
> health agencies.
 
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