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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / July 2008Gret News-New vaccine reduces shots
http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2008/06/23/New_pediatric_vaccine_reduces_shots/UP I-26221214242334/ The pediatric combination vaccine -- approved for use in infants and children 6 weeks through 4 years of age -- is indicated for active immunization against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, poliomyelitis, and invasive disease due to Haemophilus influenza type b (Hib). It contains no thimerosal. Pentacel vaccine is approved for administration as a four-dose series at 2, 4, 6 and 15 to 18 months of age. The first dose may be given as early as 6 weeks of age. [...] Pisano said the current recommended childhood immunization schedule of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta says up to 23 injections are needed by the time a child reaches 18 months of age with single-entity vaccines. However the use of the Pentacel vaccine -- already approved in Canada for a decade -- could reduce that number of shots by seven. ------------- Cue the bleating and braying that their poor wittle, fragile, immune systems cannot handle this. I do not expect anyone to actually prove that. > http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2008/06/23/New_pediatric_vaccine_reduc... > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > systems cannot handle this. I do not expect anyone to actually prove > that. That's good news! I don't think there should be any question that benefits of vaccinating children far outweigh any risk from them. But from a health consummer stand point, anything pharmaseudical companies do to make vaccines safer is welcome news. > >http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2008/06/23/New_pediatric_vaccine_reduc... > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - How about admitting that vaccines are not safe, nor are they effective. I would consider that information welcome news. DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. On Jun 24, 5:13 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > How about admitting that vaccines are not safe, nor are they > effective. Sorry DrCee, I can't do that! Either you are too young to know a world before vaccines, or you are too old and senile to remember! On Jun 24, 5:13 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > How about admitting that vaccines are not safe, nor are they > effective. Sorry DrCee, I can't do that! ------------------------------------- Right, neither can Myrl answer my questions. Either you are too young to know a world before vaccines, or you are too old and senile to remember! > How about admitting that vaccines are not safe, nor are they > effective. > > I would consider that information welcome news. Of course you would. Now go back to your fairy tales. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ On Jun 24, 8:13 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > > >http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2008/06/23/New_pediatric_vaccine_reduc... > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > I would consider that information welcome news. It would be news, since it is not true. > Dr-Pus-for-Brains Cee On Jun 24, 2:13 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2008/06/23/New_pediatric_vaccine_reduc... > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > systems cannot handle this. I do not expect anyone to actually prove > that. That's good news! I don't think there should be any question that benefits of vaccinating children far outweigh any risk from them. But from a health consummer stand point, anything pharmaseudical companies do to make vaccines safer is welcome news. ================================= But, Myrl refused to answer if Mark S Probert is in FACT a proven liar.............. >Andy posted his verse below ... apparently ignorant that he was the >provoker ... not Jan. My dictionary defines "provoker" as "someone who deliberately foments trouble." Posting a statement that you are going to ignore someone isn't one of provocation, as it isn't made to "foment trouble." The statement was posted explicitly to avoid trouble and alleviate trouble. Isn't it funny how someone who just accused someone else of misusing a word has now been shown to have been misusing a word herself? >Both Andy and Probert "reach out" to posters who don't go with their >"program" in their attempts to "educate" them ... I just found a >couple of messages from women telling me how after they posted here >... Andy wrote them trying to "educate" them of how bad I am (LOL) ... >nice job he has! This is the provactive statement I referred to above, Sistah Ilena. It is clearly provocative to make an accusation that someone has gone behind someone else's back to undermine their credibility and then not post any proof to support that accusation, especially when the accused person has sworn not to respond, and is thus unable to defend himself. This is the kind of tactic you keep in your arsenal, and one of the reasons why I could in good conscience no longer support you. So now I ask you, because Brother Langer cannot, to please share with us your proof of this accusation. Please, Sistah Ilena. I would like to see the e-mails that Brother Langer sent to these women. As Salaam Aleikum, my Sistah! AloysiousX **** That is Mark S Probert, Merrick, FACT he lied. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/822d457... Jan 6, 2004 You know something, Sistah Ilena, I'm not Mark Probert http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/9b161d56a4... Jun 7. 2008 path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 107 X-Admin: n...@aol.com From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX) Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant Date: 06 Jan 2004 17:54:38 GMT References: <19faaec.0401060908.68a7...@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution Message-ID: 20040106125438.01826.00002...@mb-m18.aol.com > Subj: Is There Some Reason...> Date: 2/12/2004 2:18:07 PM Pacific Standard > Time> From: AloysiousX> To: JDrew63929>>> Is there some reason why you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > guess not.>>> As Salaam Aleikum!>>> Aloysious> > Mark Probert markprobert1...@hotmail.com AloysiousX ============================== Mark Probert doesn't lie--now--does he, Myrl Jeffcoat? Now, don't forget to answer. Another Jan Drew Troll-o Meter is not an an answer. Btw, look on the words internet Troll. > On Jun 24, 2:13 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: >> http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2008/06/23/New_pediatric_vaccine_reduc... [quoted text clipped - 119 lines] > Now, don't forget to answer. Another Jan Drew Troll-o Meter > is not an an answer. Btw, look on the words internet Troll. > >http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2008/06/23/New_pediatric_vaccine_reduc... > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > That's good news! I don't think there should be any question that > benefits of vaccinating children far outweigh any risk from them. Oh, but there are those who question it. These people are properly referred to as anti-vaccination merchants of disease, disability and death. But > from a health consummer stand point, anything pharmaseudical companies > do to make vaccines safer is welcome news.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - The bad news is the list of ingredients in the vaccine. The other bad news is the FDA is *organized medicine* with ties to the drug companies, and vested interest. It is insane to jab newborns with this harmful crap. Mark S Probert pushes any and all crap from the FDA. and then the CDC seals the records of vaccinations. > http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2008/06/23/New_pediatric_vaccine_reduces_shots/UP I-26221214242334/ > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > systems cannot handle this. I do not expect anyone to actually prove > that. http://www.hpakids.org/holistic-health/articles/83/1/Vaccines-amd-Immune-System- Damage http://www.vaclib.org/news/2006/pentacel.htm > The bad news is the list of ingredients in the vaccine. > The other bad news is the FDA is *organized medicine* with > ties to the drug companies, and vested interest. > > It is insane to jab newborns with this harmful crap. Wrong. It is insane not to provide newborns with proven protection against vaccine-preventable diseases. <...> > > The bad news is the list of ingredients in the vaccine. > > The other bad news is the FDA is *organized medicine* with [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > <...> OH THIS IS A PROTECTION RACKET IS IT? Do you have any idea WHAT PERCENT of those that DO NOT take the vaccines, actually get the illnesses that the vaccines are supposed to be protecting us all against? For example, measles. What per cent of the non-vaccinated children get it and of that SMALL percentage, how many need to be hospitalized? Citizen Jimserac > Do you have any idea WHAT PERCENT of those > that DO NOT take the vaccines, actually get [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Citizen Jimserac Try these facts on for size. They are from a more detailed article at: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5708a3.htm "Measles now is uncommon in the United States. In the prevaccine era, 3 to 4 million measles cases occurred every year, resulting in approximately 450 deaths, 28,000 hospitalizations, and 1,000 children with chronic disabilities from measles encephalitis. Because of successful implementation of measles vaccination programs, fewer than 100 measles cases are now reported annually in the United States and virtually all of those are linked to imported cases (2,3), reflecting the incidence of measles globally and travel patterns of U.S. residents and visitors. During 2006--2007, importations were most common from India, Japan, and countries in Europe, where measles transmission remains endemic and large outbreaks have occurred in recent years (CDC, unpublished data, 2008). Since November 2006, Switzerland has experienced that country's largest measles outbreak since introduction of mandatory notification for measles in 1999 (1)." On Jun 25, 9:20 pm, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > Do you have any idea WHAT PERCENT of those > that DO NOT take the vaccines, actually get [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Citizen Jimserac Try these facts on for size. They are from a more detailed article at: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5708a3.htm CDC - gov *Organized medicine*. Poor Myrl Jeffcoat. Mostly likely to be followed by another troll meter. > On Jun 25, 9:20 pm, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Poor Myrl Jeffcoat. > Mostly likely to be followed by another troll meter. Now THAT link from CDC IS interesting because it states: Once ubiquitous, measles now is uncommon in the United States. In the prevaccine era, 3 to 4 million measles cases occurred every year, resulting in approximately 450 deaths, 28,000 hospitalizations, and 1,000 children with chronic disabilities from measles encephalitis. Because of successful implementation of measles vaccination programs, fewer than 100 measles cases are now reported annually in the United States and virtually all of those are linked to imported cases (2,3), reflecting the incidence of measles globally and travel patterns of U.S. residents and visitors. During 2006--2007, importations were most common from India, Japan, and countries in Europe, where measles transmission remains endemic and large outbreaks have occurred in recent years (CDC, unpublished data, 2008). Since November 2006, Switzerland has experienced that country's largest measles outbreak since introduction of mandatory notification for measles in 1999 (1). One has to wonder, if measles is endemic in Japan and India and a large outbreak has occured in Switzerland, are those countries not doing the vaccines OR are they using the vaccines and they are not working? Did the measles vaccine EVER work? That is the question. Citizen Jimserac > > On Jun 25, 9:20 pm, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > That is the question. Clearly, from the quote you posted, the measles vaccine worked quite well in the USA. As for Japan, India and Switzerland, please do your own homework. Even a casual perusal of some of the articles that a simple Google search will find shows that even Switzerland does not have a very high degree of uptake of the measles vaccine. High uptake supports herd immunity, and those three countries do not have it. > On Jun 27, 6:37 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > of uptake of the measles vaccine. High uptake supports herd immunity, > and those three countries do not have it. Thank you - you've actually posted a counter argument, made some factual statements and did it WITHOUT insulting me. Now THAT is refreshing!! And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders, would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier one like Japan, NOT have sufficient vaccine programs? Hmmmm Citizen Jimserac > And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders, > would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier > one like Japan, NOT have sufficient vaccine programs? According to this article published in the UK, it blames the Swiss outbreak on the fact that 15% of the children aren't vaccinated. It goes on to suggest that fears over the MMR jab kept parents from protecting their children! Would someone please tell the Swiss that thimerosol has been removed from these vaccines since 2001! > > And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders, > > would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > protecting their children! Would someone please tell the Swiss that > thimerosol has been removed from these vaccines since 2001! Sorry - I forgot to include the link to the article! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2008/04/24/euro-2008-fo otball.xml >> And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders, >> would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >protecting their children! Would someone please tell the Swiss that >thimerosol has been removed from these vaccines since 2001! There never was any thimerosal in MMR, although a quick Google search will turn up several anti-vaccination liars saying the opposite.  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > There never was any thimerosal in MMR, although a quick Google search > will turn up several anti-vaccination liars saying the opposite. According to the FDA, you're right Peter. Which childhood vaccines other than DTP and some flu vaccines had thimerosal in them - Do you know? http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm > >On Jun 27, 9:47 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > There never was any thimerosal in MMR, although a quick Google search > will turn up several anti-vaccination liars saying the opposite. YOU THINK D.C. SESSIONS is an anti-vaccination liar?? Citizen Jimserac >> >On Jun 27, 9:47 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > YOU THINK D.C. SESSIONS is an anti-vaccination liar?? Yup, folks, CJ has gone completely off his rails. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > In message <4b53e0fe-a237-4d92-8acc-6907e6576...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Yup, folks, CJ has gone completely off his rails. I am jealous that you did what you did. What a maroon. >> In message <4b53e0fe-a237-4d92-8acc-6907e6576...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac wrote: >> >> >On Jun 27, 9:47 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders, >> >> >> would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I am jealous that you did what you did. What a maroon. Mark, Mark -- how long have I been telling you that you need a lighter touch on the line? Do you listen to me? Nooooo! | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > >> And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders, > >> would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > There never was any thimerosal in MMR, although a quick Google search > will turn up several anti-vaccination liars saying the opposite. And, when one sees someone making that claim, one knows they are hearing an anti-vaccination merchant of disease, disability and death. >> And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders, >> would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > protecting their children! Would someone please tell the Swiss that > thimerosol has been removed from these vaccines since 2001! That's not true. That's not even remotely true. Thimerosal has not been removed from the MMR. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > In message <3dba32e7-769b-41d2-b5ce-ca09d1401...@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Myrl wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > That's not true. That's not even remotely true. > Thimerosal has not been removed from the MMR. THANK YOU! Citizen Jimserac >> In message <3dba32e7-769b-41d2-b5ce-ca09d1401...@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Myrl wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > THANK YOU! I'm sure you believe that. (Notice that I didn't write "think.") | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > > In message <3dba32e7-769b-41d2-b5ce-ca09d1401...@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Myrl wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > THANK YOU! Hook. Line. Sinker. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You just proved you are a clueless anti-vac liar moron! >> > In message <3dba32e7-769b-41d2-b5ce-ca09d1401...@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Myrl wrote: >> > > It goes on to suggest that fears over the MMR jab kept parents from >> > > protecting their children! Would someone please tell the Swiss that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Hook. Line. Sinker. I was hoping to play that one a little longer, but you and Peter blew it for me. Bloody bastards. OK, so it was like dynamiting fish in a barrel. Someone who's worked so hard at selectively seeing everything as confirmation of his beliefs is trivially easy to sucker. I mean -- Jerry and Jan? He's now a fan of *JERRY* and *JAN* ?!?!?! | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > In message <91a0d891-7f1f-4f74-9823-2c48c516f...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Mark Probert wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > I mean -- Jerry and Jan? He's now a fan of *JERRY* and > *JAN* ?!?!?! Ha ha Ya that is funny alright except for THIS from the FDA web site: http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm "Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women. Some vaccines such as Td, which is indicated for older children (≥ 7 years of age) and adults, are also now available in formulations that are free of thimerosal or contain only trace amounts. Vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per dose." Did you see the part, Mr. hilarious D.C., about "OR REDUCED TO TRACE AMOUNTS IN ALL VACCINES ROUTINELY RECOMMENDED FOR CHILDREN 6 YEARS OF AGE AND YOUNGER.." ??????????? So which one is it? NEVER WAS ANY THIMESS in it or "TRACE" amounts of it in it??? Is it ANY WONDER that people think twice about their children vaccinated when we can't even get a factual answer to a simple question? Have you got some facts or are jokes all you have? Citizen Jimserac >> In message <91a0d891-7f1f-4f74-9823-2c48c516f...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Mark Probert wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > So which one is it? NEVER WAS ANY THIMESS in it or > "TRACE" amounts of it in it??? Thank you for an utterly *marvelous* demonstration of my point about "seeing everything as confirmation of his beliefs ." | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > In message <dc392916-a6e2-439f-bead-c6a876097...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote: > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > my point about "seeing everything as confirmation of > his beliefs ." Your response indicates that you have NO ANSWER to the statement at the FDA web site. Anyone else? Citizen Jimserac >> In message <dc392916-a6e2-439f-bead-c6a876097...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote: >> >> In message <91a0d891-7f1f-4f74-9823-2c48c516f...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Mark Probert wrote: >> >> > On Jun 28, 5:26 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > In message <3dba32e7-769b-41d2-b5ce-ca09d1401...@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Myrl wrote: >> >> >> > > It goes on to suggest that fears over the MMR jab kept parents from >> >> >> > > protecting their children! Would someone please tell the Swiss that [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > that you have NO ANSWER to the statement > at the FDA web site. Or that I answered it and the answer went totally over your head. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > In message <a90aa05b-be0d-477b-8d69-8a401dc42...@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > Or that I answered it and the answer went totally over > your head. Or through it, since there was nothing to stop it. >> In message <dc392916-a6e2-439f-bead-c6a876097...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > >Anyone else? Why should anyone respond? The strong feeling of Schadenfreude elicited by the sight of an anti-vaccination liar (that would be you) exposing his moronicity and ignorance is very satisfying. Thimerosal-free MMR had been available for some time before 2001 so the FDA statement did not apply to it. >Citizen Jimserac SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > Thimerosal-free MMR had been available for some time before 2001 so > the FDA statement did not apply to it. For bonus points: when did the MMR contain thimerosal? | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > In message <qorf645i9bcgld4mrcc7bocuj879ra2...@4ax.com>, Peter Bowditch wrote: > > > Thimerosal-free MMR had been available for some time before 2001 so > > the FDA statement did not apply to it. > > For bonus points: when did the MMR contain thimerosal? Right now? Citizen Jimserac >> In message <qorf645i9bcgld4mrcc7bocuj879ra2...@4ax.com>, Peter Bowditch wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Right now? Bzzzzzzzzzzzzt! | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > > In message <qorf645i9bcgld4mrcc7bocuj879ra2...@4ax.com>, Peter Bowditch wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Right now? You hae to be a plant of BigPharma to discredit the anti-vac movement. On Jun 29, 7:07 pm, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 29, 4:55 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Right now? You hae to be a plant of BigPharma to discredit the anti-vac movement. ================= *hae* Poor Mark S Probert. > > > In message <qorf645i9bcgld4mrcc7bocuj879ra2...@4ax.com>, Peter Bowditch wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You hae to be a plant of BigPharma to discredit the anti-vac movement. NO little Proby, I'm not a PLANT of BigPharma. Citizen Jimserac > NO little Proby, I'm not a PLANT of BigPharma. Mineral, then? | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > In message <6214dd2e-63aa-4b4e-9b80-6c76e6f1c...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | > +-------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!! Citizen Jimserac > > > > In message <qorf645i9bcgld4mrcc7bocuj879ra2...@4ax.com>, Peter Bowditch wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > NO little Proby, I'm not a PLANT of BigPharma. After further consideration, I agree. Plant is too far up the developmental chain. You are more like a mold. > On Jul 4, 11:17 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > You are more like a mold. Ha ha ha! Still something compared to the point of view of an amoeba... that is YOUR point of view! Citizen Jimserac > > In message <qorf645i9bcgld4mrcc7bocuj879ra2...@4ax.com>, Peter Bowditch wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Right now? Wrong. Try again. Look it up. Do not post until you find it. > On Jun 29, 7:07 pm, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Look it up. Do not post until you find it. Oh no little Proby, I will post whenever I like. And this is the delightful circumstance that you've gotten yourself into. After all those posts and smart aleck insults and remarks, NOBODY gives any credence to ANYTHING you post. Now I suggest that YOU look some things up, including that bit at the FDA website about the thiMESSersol being gone - here it is for you to read (he does read doesn't he?) http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm "Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women. " See the part where it says "reduced to trace amounts". Now tell me again about how it is gone. Citizen Jimserac : Oh no little Proby, I will post whenever I like. Keep that in mind the next time you start whining about how someone refuses to answer your questions. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." > In article <4a157c32-793f-4964-a02f-34fe74ed6...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ----- > "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." Likewise, I'm sure!! Citizen Jimserac > CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> In message <dc392916-a6e2-439f-bead-c6a876097...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote: [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com Ah so! Was that in Europe, the USA or Austrailia? All of the above, some? Any? When hearing of vaccination "facts", one is never sure. We've not even gotten to the live vs. disabled virus discussion yet, that's coming next. Citizen Jiserac >> CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> In message <dc392916-a6e2-439f-bead-c6a876097...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote: [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] >> >> -- >Ah so! Was that in Europe, the USA or Austrailia? > >All of the above, some? Any? All three. >When hearing of vaccination "facts", one is never >sure. When have facts worried you? >We've not even gotten to the live vs. disabled >virus discussion yet, that's coming next. Good. While we are having that discussion you might like to think about any problems that might arise from including a disinfectant in a live vaccine. >Citizen Jiserac SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > about any problems that might arise from including a disinfectant in a > live vaccine. It isn't here, it isn't there, but trace amounts are EVERYWHERE, Proby scolds, Bowditch explains, while D.C. steadfastly maintains, there's no thiMess in the vaccines, (but trace amounts or so it seems!!!!) Go get a clue or so they say, and yet the MESS won't stay away, a trace here, a trace there, now you see it, now you don't, just ACCEPT IT, and don't rock the boat! Big VAC commands and they obey, tell everyone it's ALL OK, and if they complain then shout them down, anything so long as profits keep goin to town! The hell with babies, profits come first and with out vaccines they'll be none the worst except for the unlucky few for whom the "MESS" will some harm do, or could it be many more, "science" tells us , just ignore. Citizen Jimserac On Jun 29, 4:31 pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> It isn't here, it isn't there, but trace amounts are EVERYWHERE, Proby scolds, Bowditch explains, while D.C. steadfastly maintains, there's no thiMess in the vaccines, (but trace amounts or so it seems!!!!) Go get a clue or so they say, and yet the MESS won't stay away, a trace here, a trace there, now you see it, now you don't, just ACCEPT IT, and don't rock the boat! Big VAC commands and they obey, tell everyone it's ALL OK, and if they complain then shout them down, anything so long as profits keep goin to town! The hell with babies, profits come first and with out vaccines they'll be none the worst except for the unlucky few for whom the "MESS" will some harm do, or could it be many more, "science" tells us , just ignore. Citizen Jimserac > In message <dc392916-a6e2-439f-bead-c6a876097...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > my point about "seeing everything as confirmation of > his beliefs ." Even after being told that it is the MMR that has never contained thimerosal, he still cannot reason > > And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders, > > would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > protecting their children! Would someone please tell the Swiss that > thimerosol has been removed from these vaccines since 2001! Thimerosal has never, ever been in the MMR. > > On Jun 27, 9:47 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thimerosal has never, ever been in the MMR. Ah, JOKE from D.C. - hilarious EXCEPT that what I read says the following from: http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm "Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women. Some vaccines such as Td, which is indicated for older children (≥ 7 years of age) and adults, are also now available in formulations that are free of thimerosal or contain only trace amounts. Vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per dose." Now hilarious jokesters Peter and DC can read the part that says OR REDUCED TO TRACE AMOUNTS and maybe explain how that is that same as "never was any". Now Mark here says THERE NEVER WAS ANY thiMESSersol in them. Now we are back to the homeopathy situation - IF I can't get a straight answer on a simple question like is there or is there not thiMESSersol in the vaccines with one group telling me one thing and another group telling me something else, how can anybody find out ANYTHING? Is it any wonder people are refusing to let their children be vaccinated. Which is it? NEVER WAS or "REDUCED TO TRACE AMOUNTS"?? Citizen Jimserac > > > On Jun 27, 9:47 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Now Mark here says THERE NEVER WAS ANY thiMESSersol > in them. No, S T O O P I D, I di dnot say that. You should spend the summer attending a reading comprehension program. I said that the MMR never had thimerosal in it. That is an irrefutable fact. > Now we are back to the homeopathy situation - IF I can't get > a straight answer on a simple question like > is there or is there not thiMESSersol in the vaccines > with one group telling me one thing and another group > telling me something else, how can anybody find out ANYTHING? Listen, dumbass, you cannottreat allvaccines as just one thing. They are all DIFFERENT, and one size does not fit all. > Is it any wonder people are refusing to let their > children be vaccinated. > > Which is it? NEVER WAS or "REDUCED TO TRACE AMOUNTS"?? BOTH, homeopathetic brain. > No, S T O O P I D, I di dnot say that. You should spend the summer > attending a reading comprehension program. I said that the MMR never > had thimerosal in it. That is an irrefutable fact. Of course it's refutable. Do keep up with the program, Mark -- we have people on the group denying that disease is communicable (Chuckles and CJ, for instance) and others who insist that the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics are part of a vast shadowy disinformation campaign (Scudamore and Carole, to name two.) There's *nothing* that is "irrefutable" on MHA. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > In message <eec27b3c-bbb3-456d-a72f-019a10191...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Mark Probert wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | > +-------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ Er, pardon me Mssr. Sessions but I have made NO SUCH STATEMENT that denies disease is communicable. What I DID say was that I now question if the cessation of epidemics after vaccinations was due either in whole or in part to the vaccinations themselves. I also make the assertion that I believe there is a possibility that certain long term illness, weakening of the immune system and quite possibly, even genetic mutations are consequent to some, possibly all vaccinations. POST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC!!! Citizen Jimserac >> In message <eec27b3c-bbb3-456d-a72f-019a10191...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Mark Probert wrote: >> > No, S T O O P I D, I di dnot say that. You should spend the summer >> > attending a reading comprehension program. I said that the MMR never [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Er, pardon me Mssr. Sessions but I have made > NO SUCH STATEMENT that denies disease is communicable. Take your pick: either disease is communicable, or it's caused by Hahnemann's "psora" and "miasms." Up until now, you've been doing "Defender of the Faith" for homeopathy and I took you at your word. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > In message <981ac64b-826e-4c14-b978-26af33b44...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimseracwrote: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > now, you've been doing "Defender of the Faith" for > homeopathy and I took you at your word. Thanks for the correction! Citizen Jimserac > > On Jun 27, 6:37 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier > one like Japan, NOT have sufficient vaccine programs? Do your homework. They do have sufficient vaccination programs. Uptake of the available vaccines is not as high it is in the USA, where measles is no longer a problem. BTW, comparing the US, Japan and Switzerland in this manner PROVES the effectiveness of the vaccine, which totally, and irrefutably contradicts you claim. You made it easy, once again. Chuckle. > Do you have any idea WHAT PERCENT of those > that DO NOT take the vaccines, actually get [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > get it and of that SMALL percentage, how > many need to be hospitalized? Once exposed, for instance by contact with a playmate returned from a trip to Switzerland, it's pretty close to 100%. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ The bad news is the list of ingredients in the vaccine. The other bad news is the FDA is *organized medicine* with ties to the drug companies, and vested interest. It is insane to jab newborns with this harmful crap. Mark S Probert pushes any and all crap from the FDA. and then the CDC seals the records of vaccinations. > The bad news is the list of ingredients in the vaccine. > The other bad news is the FDA is *organized medicine* with > ties to the drug companies, and vested interest. > > It is insane to jab newborns with this harmful crap. It is insane to deny them protection when vaccines save so many lives every year, including decreasing deaths and disease from rubella, measles, mumps, Hib invasive disease, pneumonococcus, polio, rptavirus and other diseases. Jeff > Mark S Probert pushes any and all crap from the FDA. and then the CDC > seals the records of vaccinations. > http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2008/06/23/New_pediatric_vaccine_reduc... > However the use of the Pentacel vaccine -- already approved in Canada > for a decade -- could reduce that number of shots by seven. We must applaud Mark Probert for finally admitting that vaccines are dangerous and that it is therefore of value to reduce the number of shots. Hopefully, he will eventually see the light that ANY vaccines have deleterious LONG TERM consequences, something that the supportive reports, usually connected with the vaccine industry, don't want to speak of. It is things such as the long term use of vaccines on large populations, along with the unwise and excessive use of anti-biotics, that is weakening the overall health and is the principle causative factor, in my opinion, for the growth in certain illnesses and cancers. Mr. Probert remains blissfully unaware, or worse, UNINTERESTED, in the long term consequences of the dangerous substances he advocates for routine use on the general populations yet, IN A MAJOR CONTRADICTION, becomes incensed and unreasonable when mention is made of the remarkable curative effects of Homeopathic medications, to this day the only alternative medicine system whose medications are regulated by the FDA. In persisting in his unreasoning support of dangerous standard therapies and in his hysterical denialism of Homeopathy, Mr. Probert reveals himself to be yet another of the "one way mirror" see things one way only mentalities, the ideal mentality for "one size fits ALL" medicine. Citizen Jimserac "Prove the Law of Similars" my dear Probert? Take some cinchona, observe your reaction, PROVE IT TO YOURSELF YOU DULLARD! > >http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2008/06/23/New_pediatric_vaccine_reduc... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that vaccines are dangerous and that it is therefore > of value to reduce the number of shots. Specifically, the number of actual injections because of discomfort to the child and site reactions, two factors I have never denied. > Hopefully, he will eventually see the light that > ANY vaccines have deleterious LONG TERM consequences, That is a claim you have yet to provide one scintilla of scientific or epidemiological evidence to support, although you have been asked at least 1000000000 times. > something that the supportive reports, usually connected > with the vaccine industry, don't want to speak of. No, dinwit, wacko conspiracy crap is NOT evidence. > It is things such as the long term use of vaccines > on large populations, along with the unwise and > excessive use of anti-biotics, that is weakening the > overall health and is the principle causative factor, > in my opinion, for the growth in certain illnesses > and cancers. Well, your opinion, placed on the right type of paper, could be used to wipe up a cleanse by-product quite well. Other than that, it is useless. > Mr. Probert remains blissfully unaware, or worse, UNINTERESTED, > in the long term consequences of the dangerous substances > he advocates for routine use on the general populations Nope, not at all. You can bleat and bray all you want, but, you are merely proving that you are an a.s. > yet, IN A MAJOR CONTRADICTION, becomes incensed and unreasonable Unreasonable? Moi? I am shocked. All I asked you to do was to prove that water has memory and like cures like. Is that too hard for you? Do you have to substitute your gibberish for a response? Are you trying (feebly I might add) to MISDIRECT the discussion away from the vacuous answers you post? > when mention is made of the remarkable curative effects > of Homeopathic medications, to this day the only > alternative medicine system whose medications are > regulated by the FDA. One day we will wake up and realize that the FDA has to be given broader powers and sharper teeth. > In persisting in his unreasoning support of dangerous > standard therapies and in his hysterical denialism > of Homeopathy, Mr. Probert reveals himself to be > yet another of the "one way mirror" see things one way > only mentalities, the ideal mentality for "one size > fits ALL" medicine. Actually, dimwit, your posts do a fine job of showing just how perfectly you fit that description. > Citizen Jimserac > "Prove the Law of Similars" my dear Probert? > Take some cinchona, observe your reaction, > PROVE IT TO YOURSELF YOU DULLARD! So, you admit that you cannot. Finally. > > when mention is made of the remarkable curative effects > > of Homeopathic medications, to this day the only [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > only mentalities, the ideal mentality for "one size > > fits ALL" medicine. One size fits ALL medicine, treat symptoms, invent new diseases, sell LOTS of pills and vaccines based on FEARMONGERING... THAT is the type of medicine that you and your every post represent. A disgrace. DULLARD, probably does not even know there is anything better and shuts his mind off (if there is still one left) when confronted with alternatives. ONE SIZE FITS ALL, ONE THINK, ABSOLUTE CONTROL, MAKE THE FDA STRONGER -> YOU FIT IN EXACTLY WITH THE MEDICALIST TOTALITARIANS who seek control over the rights of individuals to make medical choices. Citizen Jimserac > > > when mention is made of the remarkable curative effects > > > of Homeopathic medications, to this day the only [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > One size fits ALL medicine, Nope, dope. One size does not fit all. > treat symptoms, So, you would rather someone be in severe pain when medical science cannot cure a disease? How sadistic of you. > invent new diseases, You mean like fibromyalgia, multiple chemical sensitivity, chronic fatigue symdrome? > sell LOTS of pills and vaccines based on FEARMONGERING... No, dimwit, education as the to consequences of getting diseases which used to be common before vaccines. People who are vaccinating their children do not have personal experience of seeing their neighbors kids in iron lungs, or having their brains destroyed by encephalitis. Pointing out REALITY is not fearmongering. The anti-vac liars and merchants of disease, disability and death are the true fearmongers. They use lies, fabrications, conspiracy crap, and pure bull to try to scare people. > THAT is the type of medicine that you and your every > post represent. A disgrace. Nope. No disgrace at all. I amquite proud of the fact that I advocate so well for vaccinations that I can get your ilk frothing at the mouth in just a few posts. > DULLARD, probably does not even know there is anything > better and shuts his mind off (if there is still one left) > when confronted with alternatives. The alternative to vaccination is illness. > ONE SIZE FITS ALL, ONE THINK, ABSOLUTE CONTROL, > MAKE THE FDA STRONGER -> YOU FIT IN EXACTLY > WITH THE MEDICALIST TOTALITARIANS who seek > control over the rights of individuals to make medical > choices. No, asswipe, I seek and FDA that can function independently and has the power to address anything that is medicinal in nature. |
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