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the CANCER CURE CON JOB

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Citizen Jimserac - 22 Jun 2008 12:17 GMT
from
http://www.cancercapital.com/how-not-to-find-a-cure.html

"The Cancer Cure Con Job

Winning the war on cancer obviously means PREVENTING cancer.

Yet cancer is a multi-billion dollar business.

Therefore, curing cancer would be BAD for business.

Indeed, it would devastate the pharmaceutical and mammography
businesses.

These industries have intricate ties to U. S. policy makers, directing
research funds to insure their continued profits in cancer diagnosis
and treatment.

So WHY should they -- or WHY would they -- push for a cure?

It's time for reform. Congressional leaders are calling for an
investigation of the U. S. National Cancer Institute for its
indifference to cancer prevention (other than smoking) and for denying
the public of its Right-to-Know, and for failing to inform Congress
and regulatory agencies."

The city of Hazelton, Pennsylvania has incredibly
high cancer rates - for the reason why, check
out their web site (link given above).

Citizen Jimserac
D. C. Sessions - 22 Jun 2008 13:27 GMT
> from
> http://www.cancercapital.com/how-not-to-find-a-cure.html
>
> "The Cancer Cure Con Job
>
> Winning the war on cancer obviously means PREVENTING cancer.

Winning the war on smallpox, measles, and polio obviously
means PREVENTING them.

> Yet cancer is a multi-billion dollar business.

Polio in the USA *was* a multi-billion dollar business; smallpox
and measles kept entire generations of physicians employed.

> Therefore, curing cancer would be BAD for business.

Therefore curing polio, measles, and smallpox would be BAD for business.

> Indeed, it would devastate the pharmaceutical and mammography
> businesses.

And equally devastate the "alternative cancer cure" business,
just as preventing smallpox, measles, and polio would devastate
the pharmaceutical and medical-devices businesses.

> These industries have intricate ties to U. S. policy makers, directing
> research funds to insure their continued profits in cancer diagnosis
> and treatment.

The polio business had connections all the way to the White House.

> So WHY should they -- or WHY would they -- push for a cure?

Obviously, nobody seriously pushed for prevention of polio,
measles, or smallpox.

Thank you for this profound historical note.

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Citizen Jimserac - 22 Jun 2008 14:22 GMT
> In message <fe9a3573-0583-45c5-a6f7-596e00649...@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
> |  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
> +-------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---------+

Excuse me D.C. but NOBODY ever said that polio, measles and smallpox
were caused by toxic waste (though unsanitary waste removal
may have had a role in polio epidemics).

(Side note: Anyone notice the similarities between
Polio and Guillain Barre' syndrome?  FDR may
have had the latter rather than the former.)

Please GO to that web site and VIEW the statistics for yourself
- look at the 10 TIMES HIGHER INCIDENCE OF MS and at the
10 TIMES HIGHER incidence of polycythemia.  Unless you
disagree with their statistics, that is another possibility
too of course.

Thanks
Citizen Jimserac
Richard Schultz - 22 Jun 2008 14:35 GMT
: Excuse me D.C. but NOBODY ever said that polio, measles and smallpox
: were caused by toxic waste (though unsanitary waste removal
: may have had a role in polio epidemics).

Apparently, you believe that toxic waste causes cancer (I say "apparently"
because it's basically impossible to get you to provide any kind of
explicit statement about what you actually do believe causes any given
ailment).  If so, has it occurred to you that you have been provided with
an opportunity to perform the obvious test of the claims of homeopathy?

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."
Citizen Jimserac - 22 Jun 2008 16:32 GMT
> In article <d13e5250-d0ac-4412-871e-2ccca277a...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> -----
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."

Get some facts Doc Rich,
Here, try this:

"The Secret History of the War on Cancer"
by Devra Davis

from the Amazon review at:

http://www.amazon.com/Secret-History-War-Cancer/dp/0465015662/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie
=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214148484&sr=8-1


"The War on Cancer set out to find, treat, and cure a disease.
Left untouched were many of the things known to cause cancer,
including tobacco, the workplace, radiation, or the global
environment.
Proof of how the world in which we live and work affects whether we
get cancer
was either overlooked or suppressed. This has been no accident.

The War on Cancer was run by leaders of industries that made cancer-
causing products,
and sometimes also profited from drugs and technologies for finding
and treating the disease."

Citizen Jimserac
Richard Schultz - 22 Jun 2008 17:45 GMT
:> Apparently, you believe that toxic waste causes cancer (I say "apparently"
:> because it's basically impossible to get you to provide any kind of
:> explicit statement about what you actually do believe causes any given
:> ailment). ?If so, has it occurred to you that you have been provided with
:> an opportunity to perform the obvious test of the claims of homeopathy?

: Get some facts Doc Rich,

I'd say that that was as neat a demonstration of my psychic powers as
anyone is likely to see.

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
Citizen Jimserac - 22 Jun 2008 18:12 GMT
> In article <9231fc10-2792-4859-b478-6f7a35fc3...@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I'd say that that was as neat a demonstration of my psychic powers as
> anyone is likely to see.

Psychic powers?   Wow, no end to this guy's amazing domain of powers!

Impressive!

Citizen Jimserac
Richard Schultz - 22 Jun 2008 20:32 GMT
:> In article <9231fc10-2792-4859-b478-6f7a35fc3...@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:

:> :> Apparently, you believe that toxic waste causes cancer (I say "apparently"
:> :> because it's basically impossible to get you to provide any kind of
:> :> explicit statement about what you actually do believe causes any given
:> :> ailment). ?If so, has it occurred to you that you have been provided with
:> :> an opportunity to perform the obvious test of the claims of homeopathy?

:> : Get some facts Doc Rich,

:> I'd say that that was as neat a demonstration of my psychic powers as
:> anyone is likely to see.

: Psychic powers?   Wow, no end to this guy's amazing domain of powers!
:
: Impressive!

Yes, I predicted that you would not respond to the content of my post,
and I was right.  Is that clairvoyance or what?

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."
D. C. Sessions - 22 Jun 2008 20:54 GMT
> Yes, I predicted that you would not respond to the content of my post,
> and I was right.  Is that clairvoyance or what?

Induction.

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Mark Probert - 23 Jun 2008 13:36 GMT
> > :> Apparently, you believe that toxic waste causes cancer (I say "apparently"
> > :> because it's basically impossible to get you to provide any kind of
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Impressive!

Jimmy, you are correct. To know that you will either ignore Rich's
comments, or post bullshit in response does not require psychic
powers.

All it requires is confidence in predictability of things such as
sunrise and sunset.
D. C. Sessions - 22 Jun 2008 17:58 GMT
> "The War on Cancer set out to find, treat, and cure a disease.
> Left untouched were many of the things known to cause cancer,
> including tobacco, the workplace, radiation, or the global
> environment.

Well, so much for /argumentum ad ignoratum/

> Proof of how the world in which we live and work affects whether we
> get cancer
> was either overlooked or suppressed. This has been no accident.

And of course you know that environmental carcinogens were
ignored because ... ?

> The War on Cancer was run by leaders of industries that made cancer-
> causing products,
> and sometimes also profited from drugs and technologies for finding
> and treating the disease."

The Illuminati no doubt.

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
t - 22 Jun 2008 18:15 GMT
> In message
> <9231fc10-2792-4859-b478-6f7a35fc350a@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> The Illuminati no doubt.

 Dc, you did not refute what he said. You only asked questions aimed at
misdirecting the message. How very expected.
Citizen Jimserac - 22 Jun 2008 18:57 GMT
> > In message
> > <9231fc10-2792-4859-b478-6f7a35fc3...@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>   Dc, you did not refute what he said. You only asked questions aimed at
> misdirecting the message. How very expected.

Doc Schultz and D.C. are MASTERS of misdirection.

I am so pleased that others have noticed this and WE STILL
await answers from Doc and from D.C. on the connections
between the "war" (sic) on Cancer and its sponsors, the source
of some MEGA

Citizen Jimserac
Citizen Jimserac - 22 Jun 2008 19:21 GMT
> > > In message
> > > <9231fc10-2792-4859-b478-6f7a35fc3...@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
> Citizen Jimserac

... the source of some MEGA misdirection.

Citizen Jimserac
Richard Schultz - 22 Jun 2008 20:33 GMT
: Doc Schultz and D.C. are MASTERS of misdirection.

I asked you a simple question and you refused to answer it.  I hardly think
that that makes *me* the master of misdirection.

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
Citizen Jimserac - 22 Jun 2008 21:02 GMT
> In article <b8c08019-27e7-4a11-a7ae-9469b6d27...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> -----
> "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."

And farther and father afield we go in the MISDIRECTION
from the question of environmental and toxicity causes
of cancer...

Hi ho, hi ho, it's far afield we go...

STILL waiting for comments on "The Secret History of the War on
Cancer".

Citizen Jimserac
Mark Probert - 23 Jun 2008 13:37 GMT
> > > In message
> > > <9231fc10-2792-4859-b478-6f7a35fc3...@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Doc Schultz and D.C. are MASTERS of misdirection.

Projection. Questioning your claims is NOT misdirection, but an
attempt to focus on facts, something that your posts are devoid of.
t - 23 Jun 2008 23:22 GMT
On Jun 22, 1:57 pm, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 1:15 pm, "t" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> Doc Schultz and D.C. are MASTERS of misdirection.

Projection. Questioning your claims is NOT misdirection, but an
attempt to focus on facts,
One thing my posts do not try to do is misdirect away from the subject. I do
sometimes follow the misdirection, but I'm learning to spot it sooner. When
someone states something fairly obivious to most people, to use questions to
misdrect the conversation, is just that, misdirection. You seem to be a
supporter of such behavior. What a surprize!
Mark Probert - 24 Jun 2008 00:26 GMT
> One thing my posts do not try to do is misdirect away from the subject.

True. They do not say much about the topics. However, neither do mine,
DCS of "Doc Schultz". We all question the relevant issues in the
posts. We do not, however, accept pronouncements blindly. THOSE we
question.

If questioning the basics is a diversion, then you need to get a new
logic dictionary.

I do
> sometimes follow the misdirection, but I'm learning to spot it sooner. When
> someone states something fairly obivious to most people, to use questions to
> misdrect the conversation, is just that, misdirection. You seem to be a
> supporter of such behavior. What a surprize!

Not at all. I question everything, including whether you are a bot
posting garbage.
t - 24 Jun 2008 01:15 GMT
>> One thing my posts do not try to do is misdirect away from the subject.
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Not at all. I question everything, including whether you are a bot
> posting garbage.
Ah! That's it! A bot. Keep thinking that way. And you think other posters
here are misguided? jesh!
Mark Probert - 24 Jun 2008 13:24 GMT
> >> One thing my posts do not try to do is misdirect away from the subject.
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Ah! That's it! A bot. Keep thinking that way. And you think other posters
> here are misguided? jesh!-

Zooooooooooooom....Warp factor 8

That was the sound of my point missing you. Next time, do not duck.
t - 24 Jun 2008 14:08 GMT
On Jun 23, 8:15 pm, "t" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> Ah! That's it! A bot. Keep thinking that way. And you think other posters
> here are misguided? jesh!-

Zooooooooooooom....Warp factor 8

That was the sound of my point missing you. Next time, do not duck.
Your answer to my post is what losers say when they try to be funny, and
nobody laughs.
Jan Drew - 24 Jun 2008 06:41 GMT
> I question everything, including whether you are a bot
> posting garbage.

But never answers to his lies and claims.
Mark Probert - 24 Jun 2008 13:30 GMT
> On Jun 22, 1:57 pm, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
> misdrect the conversation, is just that, misdirection. You seem to be a
> supporter of such behavior. What a surprize!-

You whine about people misdirecting threads, and aim that whine
against people who are addressing actual issues raised by the poster.

You remain utterly silent, though, while others of your ilk misdirect
threads with blatant personal attacks using personal information and
addressing issues not raised in the slightest way by the thread.

I recently started a thread "Pre-natal exposure to Thimerosal does not
increase risk of autism" which had numerous irrelevant posts comprised
of personal attacks on me.

Where is YOUR outrage about those attempts, feeble as they were, to
hijack that thread?

As long as you direct your whining in one direction, I will consider
you irrelevant and just someone to be toyed with.
t - 24 Jun 2008 14:11 GMT
On Jun 23, 6:22 pm, "t" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> misdrect the conversation, is just that, misdirection. You seem to be a
> supporter of such behavior. What a surprize!-

You whine about people misdirecting threads, and aim that whine
against people who are addressing actual issues raised by the poster.

You remain utterly silent, though, while others of your ilk misdirect
threads with blatant personal attacks using personal information and
addressing issues not raised in the slightest way by the thread.

I recently started a thread "Pre-natal exposure to Thimerosal does not
increase risk of autism" which had numerous irrelevant posts comprised
of personal attacks on me.

Where is YOUR outrage about those attempts, feeble as they were, to
hijack that thread?

As long as you direct your whining in one direction, I will consider
you irrelevant and just someone to be toyed with.
Bwahahaha! Spilled my coffee again. You do sometimes manage to be funny in a
pittiful sort of way.
Jan Drew - 24 Jun 2008 20:45 GMT
"Mark Probert" <mark.probert@gmail.com> wrote in message

[   ]
Nothing but the usual insults.

 On Jun 23, 6:22 pm, "t" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> misdrect the conversation, is just that, misdirection. You seem to be a
> supporter of such behavior. What a surprize!-
Jan Drew - 24 Jun 2008 06:38 GMT
> Questioning your claims is NOT misdirection

Simply unreal.

Mark S Probert has NEVER proven his claims when questioned.

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Peter Bowditch - 22 Jun 2008 22:29 GMT
>> In article <d13e5250-d0ac-4412-871e-2ccca277a...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
>"The War on Cancer set out to find, treat, and cure a disease.

"Cancer" is not a single disease.

>Left untouched were many of the things known to cause cancer,
>including tobacco, the workplace, radiation, or the global
>environment.

These have not been ignored.

>Proof of how the world in which we live and work affects whether we
>get cancer
>was either overlooked or suppressed. This has been no accident.

It was neither overlooked nor suppressed.

>The War on Cancer was run by leaders of industries that made cancer-
>causing products,
>and sometimes also profited from drugs and technologies for finding
>and treating the disease."

I love the smell of paranoia in the morning.

>Citizen Jimserac

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D. C. Sessions - 22 Jun 2008 22:58 GMT
>>The War on Cancer was run by leaders of industries that made cancer-
>>causing products,
>>and sometimes also profited from drugs and technologies for finding
>>and treating the disease."
>
> I love the smell of paranoia in the morning.

Oh, that's not so much paranoia as an attempt to sell a
paranoid schizophrenic hallucination.  The total reality
disconnect is characteristic.

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Peter Bowditch - 23 Jun 2008 02:50 GMT
>>>The War on Cancer was run by leaders of industries that made cancer-
>>>causing products,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>paranoid schizophrenic hallucination.  The total reality
>disconnect is characteristic.

I was being generous, so I understated the condition.

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To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

Jan Drew - 23 Jun 2008 04:41 GMT
Up jumped anther *gang member* following the same diversion, and
posting nothing about the subject.

KATCHING!!
Spam and lies deleted.

> Peter Bowditch
Citizen Jimserac - 23 Jun 2008 12:38 GMT
On Jun 22, 9:50 pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com>

I have come to understand that your positions,
either intentionally or, hopefully, unwittingly,
have more to do with pseudo skepticism
and innuendo against targets considered "improper"
or "threatening" by commercial interests
who would seem to have MUCH to gain
by ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE being discredited.

Your LACK OF RESPONSE to the issue at hand,
the MISDIRECTION of attention away from
environmental toxins causing cancer
is an indictment of your CAVALIER AND UNCONCERNED
ATTITUDES towards human health and illness.

I posted a link regarding the city of Hazelton, Pennsylvania,
concerning their SKY HIGH rates of certain types of cancers AND their
unusually high rates of MS.  There is, in my opinion, a DIRECT
causality between the toxins which were apparently systematically
dumped in their vicinity over a period of years - toxins which have
been dumped elsewhere in this country
with equally devastating results - toxins SO DANGEROUS
that each truckload of the material involved the apparent payment of a
bonus of thousands of dollars as an
incentive to get rid of it.

ARE THESE the kind of commercial interests which
YOU find yourself in agreement with?

Citizen Jimserac
Citizen Jimserac - 22 Jun 2008 23:05 GMT
> CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> In article <d13e5250-d0ac-4412-871e-2ccca277a...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
> Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au
> To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

FINALLY!!!!

YES!!!!   An actual response from someone
that refers to the topic.

I may not agree with him but THANK YOU Peter Bowditch
for at least allowing a return to the topic at hand.

Citizen Jimserac
Mark Probert - 23 Jun 2008 13:33 GMT
> > In article <d13e5250-d0ac-4412-871e-2ccca277a...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> Left untouched were many of the things known to cause cancer,
> including tobacco,

There is no ban on smoking in places where the public gathers?

> the workplace,

OSHA did not ban such chemicals as Benzene from the workplace?

> radiation,

There are no strict guidelines on radiation exposure in medical
establishments?

> or the global
> environment.

YOU ARE RIGHT!

We should never have helped the Chinese and Indian economies to now
allow them to be able to spew their pollutants into OUR atmosphere
like they do.

> Proof of how the world in which we live and work affects whether we
> get cancer
> was either overlooked or suppressed. This has been no accident.

True. Suppression is one of the claims atlNuts make to add credibility
to their otherwise unsupportable claims.

> The War on Cancer was run by leaders of industries that made cancer-
> causing products,
> and sometimes also profited from drugs and technologies for finding
> and treating the disease."

So you say. If this is of equal validity as what is posted above, it
is also bullshit.
D. C. Sessions - 22 Jun 2008 17:59 GMT
> : Excuse me D.C. but NOBODY ever said that polio, measles and smallpox
> : were caused by toxic waste (though unsanitary waste removal
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> ailment).  If so, has it occurred to you that you have been provided with
> an opportunity to perform the obvious test of the claims of homeopathy?

Don't expect a real reply.

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Jan Drew - 23 Jun 2008 00:53 GMT
The hypocrite + Proven liar "Richard Schultz" <schultr@mail.biu.ack.il>  

Posted Off-topic.
Mark Probert - 23 Jun 2008 13:28 GMT
> > In message <fe9a3573-0583-45c5-a6f7-596e00649...@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
> were caused by toxic waste (though unsanitary waste removal
> may have had a role in polio epidemics).

Zooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmm...Warp Factor 8

(That was the sound of DCS's point missing you completely.)

> (Side note: Anyone notice the similarities between
> Polio and Guillain Barre' syndrome?  FDR may
> have had the latter rather than the former.)

No, he had polio. How do I know? Simple, I discussed this with his
advisor, Dr. Henry Viscardi. If you do not know who Dr. Viscardi was,
look him up.

> Please GO to that web site and VIEW the statistics for yourself
> - look at the 10 TIMES HIGHER INCIDENCE OF MS and at the
> 10 TIMES HIGHER incidence of polycythemia.  Unless you
> disagree with their statistics, that is another possibility
> too of course.

It all may very well be true, but the method of presentation which
wraps the valid information, (I'll assume that the facts presented are
correct) makes it all look like BULLSHIT.
Jan Drew - 23 Jun 2008 00:51 GMT
Up jumped a *gang member* with the usual diversion.

"D. C. Sessions"  >

[   ]
Myrl - 23 Jun 2008 01:07 GMT
> Up jumped a *gang member* with the usual diversion.

And up jumped an idiot - with the usual drivel!
t - 23 Jun 2008 01:14 GMT
On Jun 22, 4:51 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Up jumped a *gang member* with the usual diversion.

And up jumped an idiot - with the usual drivel!
Even when Jan is so clearly correct, you jump up to join the diversionary
squad. very telling..........
Citizen Jimserac - 23 Jun 2008 01:54 GMT
> On Jun 22, 4:51 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Even when Jan is so clearly correct, you jump up to join the diversionary
> squad. very telling..........

It is good that the Gang of Four has been exposed.

Exposure draws attention to the diversion and ruins
the strategy.  There remains no choice but for
them to address the issue at hand.

We all know how the tobacco companies engaged in a decades
long war of misinformation, misdirection, concealment,
payoffs, ANYTHING to deny that smoking was a major
cause of lung cancer.

I believe in time we will see the same results with regard to the
environmental toxins etiology of cancer
except that the list of companies will be
a whole lot broader than mere tobacco companies
and they will be exposed to have had a
major role in (SURPRISE!!!) cancer "research".

History will not look kindly on the "war" on
cancer nor on its secret history exposed
in Davis' book.

Citizen Jimserac
Jan Drew - 23 Jun 2008 00:49 GMT
> from
> http://www.cancercapital.com/how-not-to-find-a-cure.html
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> Citizen Jimserac

http://preventcancer.com/press/releases/sept24_98.htm

Shh, don't tell the *gang*.
Mark Probert - 23 Jun 2008 13:25 GMT
> fromhttp://www.cancercapital.com/how-not-to-find-a-cure.html
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> investigation of the U. S. National Cancer Institute for its
> indifference to cancer prevention (other than smoking)

Uh-oh....BULLSHIT detector went off....

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/prevention-genetics-causes

and for denying
> the public of its Right-to-Know, and for failing to inform Congress
> and regulatory agencies."

Right to know what?

Failing to inform Congress?

Another lie.

http://www.cancer.gov/search/results.aspx

> The city of Hazelton, Pennsylvania has incredibly
> high cancer rates - for the reason why, check
> out their web site (link given above).
>
> Citizen Jimserac
Jan Drew - 24 Jun 2008 06:22 GMT
On Jun 22, 7:17 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> fromhttp://www.cancercapital.com/how-not-to-find-a-cure.html
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> investigation of the U. S. National Cancer Institute for its
> indifference to cancer prevention (other than smoking)

Uh-oh....BULLSHIT detector went off....

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/prevention-genetics-causes
====

By the NCI *organized medicine*

http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/cancerresearchfraud.html

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F01E6D9173BF935A35751C0A96F958260

Fraud Found In Analyzing Breast Cancer

For the second time in the history of one of the nation's largest research
programs to study treatments for breast cancer, Federal investigators are
reporting that they have found fraudulent data.

The program is the National Surgical Adjuvant Breast and Bowel Project,
which is sponsored by the National Cancer Institute and includes studies of
surgical procedures and chemotherapy regimens conducted at scores of
research centers around the nation.

According to a statement issued yesterday by the cancer institute, the
incorrect data were all falsified deliberately by one research nurse, in
studies testing different types of chemotherapy in women with breast cancer.
But the data were not expected to alter the results of any studies, because
the fraud involved only three patients, one in each of three large
experiments. One study included 1,106 patients at 98 hospitals, the second
2,697 patients at 83 sites, and the third 2,305 patients at 198 sites.

Moreover, in two studies the false information was detected before the
results had been analyzed, said Dr. Richard Ungerleider, chief of the
clinical investigations branch at the cancer institute. In the third case,
Dr. Ungerleider said, the falsification was included in the analysis but
involved only the incorrect entry of a patient's date of death, seven months
later than when it occurred.

''When we have these very large randomized controlled trials, fabrication
when it's only one patient out of 1,000 can't affect the results,'' Dr.
Ungerleider said in a telephone interview. ''It's reprehensible behavior.
I'm not defending it in any way. But at least we can be satisfied that
there's no way the results of the clinical trials are threatened.''

Findings of fraud in medical studies trouble scientists and patients who
participate in the studies because they may seem to cast doubt on findings
and the advice given to patients. But Dr. Ungerleider said researchers had
reviewed the studies in question and concluded that the three cases were not
the tip of an iceberg but truly were the only instances of falsification in
the experiments. The National Surgical Adjuvant Breast and Bowel Project,
which has its headquarters at the University of Pittsburgh, did not respond
to telephone calls.

In a notice published on Thursday in the Federal Register, the Office of
Research Integrity, the branch of the Department of Health and Human
Services that investigates scientific fraud, said data in three studies had
been faked by Thomas Philpot, a nurse who held the position of data manager
for the national project. Mr. Philpot worked at two hospitals in Chicago,
Rush Presbyterian St. Luke's Medical Center and Northwestern University's
MacNeal Cancer Center. The falsifications were first identified by
researchers in the study and confirmed later by the Office of Research
Integrity.

In a telephone interview, Dr. Dorothy Macfarlane, acting director of the
division of research investigations at Office of Research Integrity, said
Mr. Philpot, assigned to call patients in the studies to find out how they
were doing, reported that he had called three patients and found them to be
alive and well.

Dr. Macfarlane said Mr. Philpot had left his posts by the time the fraud was
discovered. ''As far as we can tell, he's not working on any other
project,'' she added.

Efforts to reach Mr. Philpot in the Chicago area were unsuccessful.

Correction: February 9, 1999, Tuesday Because of an editing error, an
article on Saturday about falsified data in a Federally sponsored breast
cancer study described the fraud incompletely. Leaders of the study said
that the essence of it was the assertion by a research nurse that three
patients in the study were alive and well when they in fact were dead.

==

What is Cancer-Charity Fraud?

Any conversation involving the "C" word is probably a delicate topic.
Numerous families throughout the world are faced with the dreaded, incurable
disease of cancer.  Though we have all witnessed the televised success
stories, it's merely fiction to those who have already suffered the loss of
a loved one.  It's quite difficult to remain optimistic when the thought of
inevitable death constantly lingers.  Sadly enough, this very fear is what
frauds are depending on.

Where are Your Donations Going?
The quest to find a cure for cancer is rather intense and expensive.  In
order to conduct ongoing research, major funds are needed.  Consumers who
are directly effected and many whom are not have opened their hearts to give
generous donations to the many available charity organizations.
Unfortunately, scam artists have found away to capitalize on this situation
for the benefit of their own cause.  They contact consumers via email,
masquerading as reputable charities and even go as far as creating rogue
internet sites to thieve money from those looking to contribute to cancer
research.  Without doing a bit of research of your own, you just may be
funding a fraudulent cause and have no knowledge of it.

False Hope
As the battle against cancer becomes more intense, scam artists are emerging
from every corner to swindle your contributions and efforts towards a cure.
These malicious individuals prey on a victim's insecurities, wanting them to
believe they're so ill they'll try anything, even a miracle product.
Several people victimized by cancer are so rattled by the diagnosis they
actually ignore the fact that many forms of the disease are treatable.  The
fears generated by a conniving fraud causes some to choose an underground
route, using ineffective medication instead of those approved by a doctor.

Scams come wearing many different faces with numerous prices attached to
their services.  The biggest price a victim pays results from chasing these
inferior treatments when more reliable methods are available.  In most
cases, a reputable physician rarely uses the term "cure" in regard to
cancer.  This means that a red flag should instantly flash in your mind when
approached by an individual or company offering a cure.  Other claims that
should raise your suspicions are those suggesting that standard treatments
such as chemotherapy or radiation are dangerous or ineffective.

The harsh reality is that some types of cancer are indeed terminal.  While a
few patients in this predicament often look to experimental treatments as a
last resort to slow the progress of the disease, attempting to persuade
someone to distrust standard treatments is considered by fraud, a crime
punishable by law if proved.

and for denying
> the public of its Right-to-Know, and for failing to inform Congress
> and regulatory agencies."

Right to know what?

Failing to inform Congress?

Another lie.

http://www.cancer.gov/search/results.aspx

Poor Mark S Probert didn't his link.

Results 0-0 of 0 for:
------------------------

http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/cancerresearchfraud.html

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F01E6D9173BF935A35751C0A96F958260

Fraud Found In Analyzing Breast Cancer

For the second time in the history of one of the nation's largest research
programs to study treatments for breast cancer, Federal investigators are
reporting that they have found fraudulent data.

The program is the National Surgical Adjuvant Breast and Bowel Project,
which is sponsored by the National Cancer Institute and includes studies of
surgical procedures and chemotherapy regimens conducted at scores of
research centers around the nation.

According to a statement issued yesterday by the cancer institute, the
incorrect data were all falsified deliberately by one research nurse, in
studies testing different types of chemotherapy in women with breast cancer.
But the data were not expected to alter the results of any studies, because
the fraud involved only three patients, one in each of three large
experiments. One study included 1,106 patients at 98 hospitals, the second
2,697 patients at 83 sites, and the third 2,305 patients at 198 sites.

Moreover, in two studies the false information was detected before the
results had been analyzed, said Dr. Richard Ungerleider, chief of the
clinical investigations branch at the cancer institute. In the third case,
Dr. Ungerleider said, the falsification was included in the analysis but
involved only the incorrect entry of a patient's date of death, seven months
later than when it occurred.

''When we have these very large randomized controlled trials, fabrication
when it's only one patient out of 1,000 can't affect the results,'' Dr.
Ungerleider said in a telephone interview. ''It's reprehensible behavior.
I'm not defending it in any way. But at least we can be satisfied that
there's no way the results of the clinical trials are threatened.''

Findings of fraud in medical studies trouble scientists and patients who
participate in the studies because they may seem to cast doubt on findings
and the advice given to patients. But Dr. Ungerleider said researchers had
reviewed the studies in question and concluded that the three cases were not
the tip of an iceberg but truly were the only instances of falsification in
the experiments. The National Surgical Adjuvant Breast and Bowel Project,
which has its headquarters at the University of Pittsburgh, did not respond
to telephone calls.

In a notice published on Thursday in the Federal Register, the Office of
Research Integrity, the branch of the Department of Health and Human
Services that investigates scientific fraud, said data in three studies had
been faked by Thomas Philpot, a nurse who held the position of data manager
for the national project. Mr. Philpot worked at two hospitals in Chicago,
Rush Presbyterian St. Luke's Medical Center and Northwestern University's
MacNeal Cancer Center. The falsifications were first identified by
researchers in the study and confirmed later by the Office of Research
Integrity.

In a telephone interview, Dr. Dorothy Macfarlane, acting director of the
division of research investigations at Office of Research Integrity, said
Mr. Philpot, assigned to call patients in the studies to find out how they
were doing, reported that he had called three patients and found them to be
alive and well.

Dr. Macfarlane said Mr. Philpot had left his posts by the time the fraud was
discovered. ''As far as we can tell, he's not working on any other
project,'' she added.

Efforts to reach Mr. Philpot in the Chicago area were unsuccessful.

Correction: February 9, 1999, Tuesday Because of an editing error, an
article on Saturday about falsified data in a Federally sponsored breast
cancer study described the fraud incompletely. Leaders of the study said
that the essence of it was the assertion by a research nurse that three
patients in the study were alive and well when they in fact were dead.

==

What is Cancer-Charity Fraud?

Any conversation involving the "C" word is probably a delicate topic.
Numerous families throughout the world are faced with the dreaded, incurable
disease of cancer.  Though we have all witnessed the televised success
stories, it's merely fiction to those who have already suffered the loss of
a loved one.  It's quite difficult to remain optimistic when the thought of
inevitable death constantly lingers.  Sadly enough, this very fear is what
frauds are depending on.

Where are Your Donations Going?
The quest to find a cure for cancer is rather intense and expensive.  In
order to conduct ongoing research, major funds are needed.  Consumers who
are directly effected and many whom are not have opened their hearts to give
generous donations to the many available charity organizations.
Unfortunately, scam artists have found away to capitalize on this situation
for the benefit of their own cause.  They contact consumers via email,
masquerading as reputable charities and even go as far as creating rogue
internet sites to thieve money from those looking to contribute to cancer
research.  Without doing a bit of research of your own, you just may be
funding a fraudulent cause and have no knowledge of it.

False Hope
As the battle against cancer becomes more intense, scam artists are emerging
from every corner to swindle your contributions and efforts towards a cure.
These malicious individuals prey on a victim's insecurities, wanting them to
believe they're so ill they'll try anything, even a miracle product.
Several people victimized by cancer are so rattled by the diagnosis they
actually ignore the fact that many forms of the disease are treatable.  The
fears generated by a conniving fraud causes some to choose an underground
route, using ineffective medication instead of those approved by a doctor.

Scams come wearing many different faces with numerous prices attached to
their services.  The biggest price a victim pays results from chasing these
inferior treatments when more reliable methods are available.  In most
cases, a reputable physician rarely uses the term "cure" in regard to
cancer.  This means that a red flag should instantly flash in your mind when
approached by an individual or company offering a cure.  Other claims that
should raise your suspicions are those suggesting that standard treatments
such as chemotherapy or radiation are dangerous or ineffective.

The harsh reality is that some types of cancer are indeed terminal.  While a
few patients in this predicament often look to experimental treatments as a
last resort to slow the progress of the disease, attempting to persuade
someone to distrust standard treatments is considered by fraud, a crime
punishable by law if proved.

> The city of Hazelton, Pennsylvania has incredibly
> high cancer rates - for the reason why, check
> out their web site (link given above).
>
> Citizen Jimserac
Citizen Jimserac - 24 Jun 2008 11:17 GMT
Many thanks for a DETAILED, interesting and
outstanding post!

SCORE: JAN 1000,   Probee 0

Citizen Jimserac
Mark Probert - 24 Jun 2008 13:31 GMT
> Many thanks for a DETAILED, interesting and
> outstanding post!
>
> SCORE: JAN 1000,   Probee 0
>
> Citizen Jimserac

Add innumerate to your collection of deficiencies.
Jan Drew - 24 Jun 2008 20:38 GMT
On Jun 24, 6:17 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 1:22 am, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Citizen Jimserac

Add innumerate to your collection of deficiencies.
-------------------------
Do take care of your own, Mark S Probert proven liar,
and disbarred attorney.
D. C. Sessions - 24 Jun 2008 14:08 GMT
> Many thanks for a DETAILED, interesting and
> outstanding post!
>
> SCORE: JAN 1000,   Probee 0

Wow -- Jan Drew now has a fan.
Who could have guessed?

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Jan Drew - 24 Jun 2008 20:42 GMT
> In message
> <95ded181-2292-4180-9e51-bb8cd867daa0@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Wow -- Jan Drew now has a fan.
> Who could have guessed?

Now really.  Just one (unlike you) who reads and do not deny the FACTS.

>  D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com>

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Now, do tell us again how honest he is......................
Jan Drew - 24 Jun 2008 20:36 GMT
> Many thanks for a DETAILED, interesting and
> outstanding post!
>
> SCORE: JAN 1000,   Probee 0
>
> Citizen Jimserac

You are most welcome.
Thank you.
As you know, you will be attacked again.
 
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