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Mercury In Vaccines Causes Brain Cell Damage ..... Important Videos to Watch

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Ilena Rose - 21 Jun 2008 03:24 GMT
Note from Ilena Rosenthal ...

http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com
Health Lover

Important Videos to counter the Vaccination Lobby Propaganda partially
headquartere at Barrett's Quack websites and his Health Fraud List.

Mercury In Vaccines Causes Brain Cell Damage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5WNLOjmAiw

By University Of Calgary
Autism Mercury Video assaulting the brains
neurotransmitters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tgwh3HpsM
Jeff - 21 Jun 2008 04:47 GMT
That's incorrect. At the doses used in today's vaccines (i.e., trace
amounts), the mercury does not cause any problems, because it has been
removed from vaccines. Even when it was in vaccines, the small amounts
of mercury were never found to be harmful. In addition, the National
Academy of Science's Institute of Medicine has done many studies of the
data - it has found no link between mercury in vaccines and autism. And,
if there were a link, one would expect the rate of autism to have gone
down after mercury was removed from vaccines; however, the rate of
autism did not go down. There is virtually no evidence that mercury
causes autism.

Jeff
Jan Drew - 21 Jun 2008 05:24 GMT
> That's incorrect. At the doses used in today's vaccines (i.e., trace
> amounts), the mercury does not cause any problems, because it has been
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Jeff

Blatant lie.
From Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz.

Not kids doc.

Note from Ilena Rosenthal ...

http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com
Health Lover

Important Videos to counter the Vaccination Lobby Propaganda partially
headquarterde at Barrett's Quack websites and his Health Fraud List.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm

Mercury In Vaccines Causes Brain Cell Damage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5WNLOjmAiw

By University Of Calgary
Autism Mercury Video assaulting the brains
neurotransmitters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tgwh3HpsM
Jeff - 21 Jun 2008 12:27 GMT
>> That's incorrect. At the doses used in today's vaccines (i.e., trace
>> amounts), the mercury does not cause any problems, because it has been
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Blatant lie.

Show evidence to back your opinion, not personal attacks.

Jeff

<garbage deleted>
Jan Drew - 21 Jun 2008 23:46 GMT
>>> That's incorrect. At the doses used in today's vaccines (i.e., trace
>>> amounts), the mercury does not cause any problems, because it has been
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Jeff

No personal atacks, just the truth, Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz/
Not kids doc.

> <garbage deleted>

Truth restored, and more.

Blatant lie.
From Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz.

Not kids doc.

Note from Ilena Rosenthal ...

http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com
Health Lover

Important Videos to counter the Vaccination Lobby Propaganda partially
headquarterde at Barrett's Quack websites and his Health Fraud List.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm

Mercury In Vaccines Causes Brain Cell Damage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5WNLOjmAiw

By University Of Calgary
Autism Mercury Video assaulting the brains
neurotransmitters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tgwh3HpsM

http://www.mercola.com/2002/jan/23/autism.htm

Autism Epidemic Soars in America

The number of children diagnosed with autism in America is continuing to
increase at a rate of more than 20% a year, according to the latest figures
published by the US Department of Health.

The figures show that in the year 1999/2000 the number of schoolchildren in
America with autism was 65,396 compared with 53,576 the previous year.

Figures have risen steeply since the reporting of autism became mandatory in
American schools in 1991. At first the increase was attributed to better
reporting of the condition but after nine years some experts argue that the
consistent rise must demonstrate an actual rise in autism rates.

It is estimated that up to one in 175 primary school children are autistic.

The USA statistics are incontrovertible proof of the autism epidemic which
is sweeping the Western world. An epidemic which the health authorities are
shamefully trying to cover up.

'A request to the Scottish Executive, made almost two years ago, to
establish a register, by year of birth, of autistics, would have confirmed
that this tragic condition had gone from rare to common since 1990.'

Dr Ed Yazbak, a retired American pediatrician, insists that the increase is
real and argues that this can only be attributed to environmental factors.
He says vaccination may not be the only cause but is convinced that it plays
a part.

He said: 'These statistics tell us, not only that there has been a huge
increase in autism rates in the last 20 years, but also that this increase
is not stopping.'

He also argues that the increase cannot just be the result of better
diagnosis because the same diagnostic techniques have been used since 1994.

'The criteria for diagnosing children has not changed and the people giving
the diagnosis have not changed therefore this must be an increase in numbers
and this must be due to environmental factors. We may find that this is
being caused by something other than vaccination but it is certainly not
genetic because this happens in the second year of life.'

The US has an extensive vaccination program, with babies given their first
vaccine against Hepatitis B in the first two days of life and another two
doses before they are 18 months old. Children also have five doses of
diphtheria and tetanus, two doses of MMR, four of the Hib, (for meningitis),
one of chickenpox, four of the polio vaccine and now four doses of a vaccine
to prevent ear infections before they go to school.

'There are definitely too many vaccines,' said Yazbak. 'I don't think it is
just vaccines but it is pretty crazy to give vaccines on the first day of
life when the child doesn't need.'

Raymond Gallup, president of the Autism Auto-immunity Project, a US campaign
group, said: 'I attribute this increase to over-vaccination. There is no
doubt about it and MMR is the most problematic one. Children are definitely
getting too many vaccines too early in life.'

Monday to Friday, 6am to 8.30am
presented by Fran Kelly
MMR Autism Link
6:35am - Thursday 9 February  2006

Listen (requires RealAudio)

The debate surrounding the safety of the triple-jab immunisation (measles,
mumps, rubella) - and its link to autism has taken a new twist.

This week, a former top health official in Britain accused the Blair
government of 'inexplicable complacency' over the issue.

Dr Peter Fletcher, who was Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of
Health, says he's seen a 'steady accumulation of evidence' that the MMR jab
is causing autism in some children.

His comments come eight years after a researcher found a link between the
live measles virus in the MMR vaccine and regressive autism and inflammatory
bowel disease in children.

That research has since been discredited by governments around the world.
But now questions are again being asked.

Sue Corrigan is the journalist with the Mail On Sunday who broke the story.

http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/library/Danish%20Thimerosal-Autism%20St
udy%20in%20Pediatrics.pdf


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D. C. Sessions - 21 Jun 2008 15:14 GMT
> That's incorrect. At the doses used in today's vaccines (i.e., trace
> amounts), the mercury does not cause any problems, because it has been
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> autism did not go down. There is virtually no evidence that mercury
> causes autism.

There are no end of excuses why the rate of autism increase
has not changed (it's not just a matter of not having "gone
down.")

Oddly enough, though, the people making those excuses still
conclude that they support the conclusion that Vaccines Are
Causing Autism, even when their excuses amount to "other
sources of mercury now dominate the autism increase."

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Mark Probert - 21 Jun 2008 16:56 GMT
> > That's incorrect. At the doses used in today's vaccines (i.e., trace
> > amounts), the mercury does not cause any problems, because it has been
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Causing Autism, even when their excuses amount to "other
> sources of mercury now dominate the autism increase."

Precisely. It is called Kirby-ism. Kirby, who was never, and is still
not, a medical/science writer, is keeping this myth alive to maintain
his career. He is now in the financial pocket of those who hate living
children, i.e. anti-vac liars, the merchants of disease, disability
and death.
Jan Drew - 21 Jun 2008 23:52 GMT
On Jun 21, 10:14 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> In message <_Q_6k.57$Wr.6@trndny04>, Jeff wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Causing Autism, even when their excuses amount to "other
> sources of mercury now dominate the autism increase."

Precisely.

LOL. Proving me 100% correct *gang Members stick together with their lies.

It is called Kirby-ism. Kirby, who was never, and is still
not, a medical/science writer, is keeping this myth alive to maintain
his career. He is now in the financial pocket of those who hate living
children, i.e. anti-vac liars, the merchants of disease, disability
and death.
-----------------------------------

What a load of lies.  No one here hates children.
There is NO such thing as *anti-vac liars.
Borrowed for proven liar, Peter Bowditch.
Posted by Mark S Probert, another proven liar.

Note from Ilena Rosenthal ...

http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com
Health Lover

Important Videos to counter the Vaccination Lobby Propaganda partially
headquarterde at Barrett's Quack websites and his Health Fraud List.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm

Mercury In Vaccines Causes Brain Cell Damage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5WNLOjmAiw

By University Of Calgary
Autism Mercury Video assaulting the brains
neurotransmitters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tgwh3HpsM

http://www.mercola.com/2002/jan/23/autism.htm

Autism Epidemic Soars in America

The number of children diagnosed with autism in America is continuing to
increase at a rate of more than 20% a year, according to the latest figures
published by the US Department of Health.

The figures show that in the year 1999/2000 the number of schoolchildren in
America with autism was 65,396 compared with 53,576 the previous year.

Figures have risen steeply since the reporting of autism became mandatory in
American schools in 1991. At first the increase was attributed to better
reporting of the condition but after nine years some experts argue that the
consistent rise must demonstrate an actual rise in autism rates.

It is estimated that up to one in 175 primary school children are autistic.

The USA statistics are incontrovertible proof of the autism epidemic which
is sweeping the Western world. An epidemic which the health authorities are
shamefully trying to cover up.

'A request to the Scottish Executive, made almost two years ago, to
establish a register, by year of birth, of autistics, would have confirmed
that this tragic condition had gone from rare to common since 1990.'

Dr Ed Yazbak, a retired American pediatrician, insists that the increase is
real and argues that this can only be attributed to environmental factors.
He says vaccination may not be the only cause but is convinced that it plays
a part.

He said: 'These statistics tell us, not only that there has been a huge
increase in autism rates in the last 20 years, but also that this increase
is not stopping.'

He also argues that the increase cannot just be the result of better
diagnosis because the same diagnostic techniques have been used since 1994.

'The criteria for diagnosing children has not changed and the people giving
the diagnosis have not changed therefore this must be an increase in numbers
and this must be due to environmental factors. We may find that this is
being caused by something other than vaccination but it is certainly not
genetic because this happens in the second year of life.'

The US has an extensive vaccination program, with babies given their first
vaccine against Hepatitis B in the first two days of life and another two
doses before they are 18 months old. Children also have five doses of
diphtheria and tetanus, two doses of MMR, four of the Hib, (for meningitis),
one of chickenpox, four of the polio vaccine and now four doses of a vaccine
to prevent ear infections before they go to school.

'There are definitely too many vaccines,' said Yazbak. 'I don't think it is
just vaccines but it is pretty crazy to give vaccines on the first day of
life when the child doesn't need.'

Raymond Gallup, president of the Autism Auto-immunity Project, a US campaign
group, said: 'I attribute this increase to over-vaccination. There is no
doubt about it and MMR is the most problematic one. Children are definitely
getting too many vaccines too early in life.'

Monday to Friday, 6am to 8.30am
presented by Fran Kelly
MMR Autism Link
6:35am - Thursday 9 February  2006

Listen (requires RealAudio)

The debate surrounding the safety of the triple-jab immunisation (measles,
mumps, rubella) - and its link to autism has taken a new twist.

This week, a former top health official in Britain accused the Blair
government of 'inexplicable complacency' over the issue.

Dr Peter Fletcher, who was Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of
Health, says he's seen a 'steady accumulation of evidence' that the MMR jab
is causing autism in some children.

His comments come eight years after a researcher found a link between the
live measles virus in the MMR vaccine and regressive autism and inflammatory
bowel disease in children.

That research has since been discredited by governments around the world.
But now questions are again being asked.

Sue Corrigan is the journalist with the Mail On Sunday who broke the story.

http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/library/Danish%20Thimerosal-Autism%20St
udy%20in%20Pediatrics.pdf


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JOHN - 21 Jun 2008 23:18 GMT
> That's incorrect. At the doses used in today's vaccines (i.e., trace
> amounts), the mercury does not cause any problems, because it has been
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Jeff

RAOFL!
mainframetech - 22 Jun 2008 01:03 GMT
Jeff,
   I hate ta tell ya, but they haven't stopped using Thimerosal yet.
The FDA website says that the FDA allows it in certain situations, and
who can trust every doctor and clinic not to use the type of vaccine
that contains Thimerosal on children if they have some of it?

Chris
D. C. Sessions - 22 Jun 2008 02:37 GMT
>     I hate ta tell ya, but they haven't stopped using Thimerosal yet.
> The FDA website says that the FDA allows it in certain situations, and
> who can trust every doctor and clinic not to use the type of vaccine
> that contains Thimerosal on children if they have some of it?

So who has been saving up the eight-year-old vaccine past
its expiration date?  Seems pretty stupid.

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Jan Drew - 22 Jun 2008 05:50 GMT
> In message
> <a759a193-f1af-41f7-ab45-b0cde09f35ec@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> So who has been saving up the eight-year-old vaccine past
> its expiration date?  Seems pretty stupid.
--------------------------------------

Yes, you are.

TABLE. Influenza Vaccine Manufacturers for the 2007-08 Influenza Season
Manufacturer Vaccine Formulation Thimerosal preservative Age indication
Sanofi pasteur, Inc. Fluzone®,
Inactivated TIV Multi-dose vial Yes 6 months and older
Single-dose pre-filled 0.25 mL syringe None 6-35 months
Single-dose pre-filled 0.5 mL syringe or vial  None 36 months and older
Novartis Vaccine
(formerly Chiron Corporation) Fluvirin®
Inactivated TIV Multi-dose vial Yes 4 years and older
Single-dose pre-filled 0.5mL syringe Preservative free (1 mcg or less
mercury/0.5mL dose) 4 years and older
MedImmune Vaccines, Inc. FluMist®
LAIV Single-dose sprayer None Healthy* persons 2-49 years?
CSL Biotherapies Afluria® Inactivated TIV Single-dose pre-filled 0.5mL
syringe None 18 years and older
Multi-dose vial Yes 18 years and older
GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals
(subsidiary of GlaxoSmithKline PLC) FluarixT
Inactivated TIV Single-dose pre-filled 0.5 mL syringe Preservative free (1
mcg or less  mercury/0.5mL dose) 18 years and older
ID Biomedical Corporation
(subsidiary of GlaxoSmithKline PLC) FluLavalT
Inactivated TIV Multi-dose vial Yes 18 years and older

* "Healthy" indicates persons who do not have an underlying medical
condition that predisposes them to influenza complications.

? On October 24, 2007 CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices
(ACIP) recommended expanding the use of the nasal influenza vaccine LAIV
(FluMist®) to include healthy children ages 2-4 years old (24-59 months old)
without a history of asthma or recurrent wheezing. The vaccine continues to
be recommended for healthy persons ages 5-49 years who are not pregnant.

> | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
> |  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
> |  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
> +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
JOHN - 23 Jun 2008 07:53 GMT
> So who has been saving up the eight-year-old vaccine past
> its expiration date?  Seems pretty stupid.

Was it banned 8 years ago?

And they still sell it to the third world.

And yes, you couldn't trust them an inch not to have mercury in trace
amounts

The Hepatitis B vaccine, administered at birth for over ten years, contained
25,000 parts per billion (ppb) of mercury in the multi-dose vaccine vial.
The multi-dose DTP and Haemophilus B vaccine vials, administered 4 times
each in the 1990s to children at 2, 4, 6, 12 and 18 months of age, contained
50,000 ppb mercury. According to the EPA, any liquid that contains more than
200 ppb mercury is to be classified as hazardous waste based on toxicity
Mark Probert - 23 Jun 2008 13:50 GMT
> Jeff,
>     I hate ta tell ya, but they haven't stopped using Thimerosal yet.
> The FDA website says that the FDA allows it in certain situations, and
> who can trust every doctor and clinic not to use the type of vaccine
> that contains Thimerosal on children if they have some of it?

The vaccines that contained thimerosal have all expired. As for the
rest of your paranoia, well, it is paranoia.
Jan Drew - 24 Jun 2008 03:15 GMT
Proven liar "Mark S Probert" <mark.probert@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:83ec9789-ac42-475b-95f4-8e2b164f2230@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 21, 8:03 pm, mainframetech <mainframet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Jeff,
> I hate ta tell ya, but they haven't stopped using Thimerosal yet.
> The FDA website says that the FDA allows it in certain situations, and
> who can trust every doctor and clinic not to use the type of vaccine
> that contains Thimerosal on children if they have some of it?

The vaccines that contained thimerosal have all expired.

Flu shots still have thimerosal as well as others.
Which has been proven.

As for the
rest of your paranoia, well, it is paranoia.
========================
Famous words ( of the *gang*) when denying the truth.
David Wright - 24 Jun 2008 04:40 GMT
>Jeff,
>    I hate ta tell ya, but they haven't stopped using Thimerosal yet.
>The FDA website says that the FDA allows it in certain situations, and
>who can trust every doctor and clinic not to use the type of vaccine
>that contains Thimerosal on children if they have some of it?

None of the standard childhood vaccines contain significant
thimerosal, so your fearmongering is wasted.

(I'm not including flu vaccine in the "standard" list.)

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "There are two kinds of Republicans:  millionaires and suckers."
                                                     -- John Dolan
Jan Drew - 24 Jun 2008 05:38 GMT
> In article
> <a759a193-f1af-41f7-ab45-b0cde09f35ec@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>  -- David Wright

http://www.thecre.com/quality/2005/20050825f_quality.html

Thursday, June 16, 2005
Why Won't the CDC Allow Access to the Vaccine Safety Datalink?

Memo to CDC: We're not getting our money's worth
David Kirby
May 23, 2005

Can mercury in vaccines cause autism in children? This hotly disputed
question will only burn brighter as more biological evidence surfaces to
suggest a link. But a definitive answer might take years. Meanwhile, the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is sitting on a
multi-million-dollar database - paid for by you and me - that could probably
resolve this contretemps within weeks.

They have the data. We paid for the data. Yet we cannot see the data. The
information is kept under lock and key within the massive health agency --  
as jealously guarded as nuclear secrets.

The CDC tells us that they have looked at the data exhaustively and found
"no evidence of harm." They implied that their own scientists are perfectly
capable of analyzing the data, thank you very much, and outside researchers
cannot be trusted to independently verify their analyses, nor to protect the
confidentiality of patients whose numbers they would be crunching.

But, as any high school student can tell you, the replication of a study is
the hallmark of all good science. Without access to the raw data originally
used by the CDC researchers, it is impossible to verify their work. All we
can do is trust that they got it right.

The CDC, which has budgeted nearly $200 million to operate the Vaccine
Safety Datalink, spent four years analyzing data from children who received
varying amounts of thimerosal in their vaccines. The study went through five
different permutations before being published in November, 2003. Early study
"generations," which were never meant to see the light of day, showed highly
elevated, statistically significant increased risks for autism and other
disorders among the kids receiving the most mercury.

But by the time the study was published, most of these associations had
somehow disappeared entirely.

Only two outside researchers, Mark and David Geier, have managed to gain
access to the raw CDC data. They faced daunting hurdles to get into the CDC
computer center, and nearly crippling software malfunctions once they were
inside. But among the data they did manage to mine, they reportedly found
highly elevated risks for autism among children in the highest mercury
exposure group.

So we now have two extremely different interpretations of the same data. It
is way past time that the CDC allow a third team - outside researchers
completely acceptable to all parties involved in this dispute - into the
database to conduct any analyses they see fit. (Patients names are removed
from the data, making it exceedingly hard for researchers to identify
anyone, even if they desired, which is extremely unlikely in itself).

It sounds reasonable, it sounds nice. But don't hold your breath. The CDC is
hardly issuing engraved invitations to come trawl its mainframes, despite a
harshly written report earlier this year from the Institute of Medicine. The
IOM complained of CDC foot dragging, and even insolence, on this matter, and
suggested that vaccine officials at the health agency seek "legal counsel."
Why? Because the original datasets of children used by the government have,
as they say, gone missing. (Actually, the official explanation was that they
"were not archived in a standard fashion.") The intentional loss or
destruction of taxpayer funded data or datasets is a violation of the
Federal Data Quality Act. It is a felony, and someone could go to jail for
it.

Meanwhile, the data just sit there. Our data, not theirs. CDC officials
insist they have an "open mind" on this issue, and that thimerosal has not
been ruled out as a possible cause of autism and other disorders. But they
also insist that the vaccine safety database yielded no evidence of harm.

If that is true, then why are they so reluctant to let someone else in to
verify this claim? I cannot answer that question, because the CDC is not
talking to me. But I do know that people with nothing to hide are
unencumbered by doubts of what others will find if they rifle through their
closet.

If the data can prove that injecting a known neurotoxin into infants at
levels up to 125 times over federal safety limits was a safe and sane thing
to do, then why isn't the CDC having an open house for all researchers worth
their salt to come on down and have a look-see for themselves?

Without access to the raw data, parents who support the thimerosal theory -
and their allies in Congress, academia and law - are falling back on other
recent studies that show a possible link between mercury and autism. They
may not have the epidemiology on their side, yet, but the mounting evidence
emerging from the fields of biology and toxicology is becoming too urgent to
ignore. Recent published studies have shown:

+ Autistic children retain mercury at much higher rates than non-autistic
kids.

+ Autistic children lack certain sulfur-based proteins that bind to heavy
metals and remove them from the body.

+ Autistic children have a dysfunctional immune profile generally consistent
with mercury toxicity.

+ The rate of increase in reported autism cases peaked between 1987 and
1992, the same years that new mercury-containing vaccines were added to the
U.S. schedule.

+ Mice with autoimmune disorders react horrifically to mercury exposure from
vaccines, whereas typical mice of the same species do not.

+ In primates, mercury from vaccines was more likely to become trapped in
the brain than mercury from fish.

+ Children who live near mercury spewing power plants have an elevated risk
of developing autism.

These are all intriguing, to be sure. But what we really need is to get our
hands on the raw CDC data - our data.

David Kirby is author of "Evidence of Harm" (St. Martin's Press)
www.evidenceofharm.com
Mark Probert - 21 Jun 2008 18:56 GMT
> Note from Ilena Rosenthal ...
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Autism Mercury Video assaulting the brains
> neurotransmittershttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tgwh3HpsM

Petri dishes are not brains.
D. C. Sessions - 21 Jun 2008 19:08 GMT
>> Note from Ilena Rosenthal ...

>> http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com
>> Health Lover
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Petri dishes are not brains.

Are you sure?  Have you ever *tried* using one in that role?
If not, how can you be sure?  In particular, how can you
effectively argue with someone who *has* used a Petri
dish for a brain?

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Myrl - 21 Jun 2008 21:19 GMT
> Are you sure?  Have you ever *tried* using one in that role?
> If not, how can you be sure?  In particular, how can you
> effectively argue with someone who *has* used a Petri
> dish for a brain?

It's been tried here on this newsgroup (arguing with someone who *has*
hsed a Petri dish for a brain).  The outcome has been the same as
trying to reason with the inmates at the asylum.

Somethings in life are like pissing in the wind!
Jan Drew - 22 Jun 2008 01:46 GMT
On Jun 21, 11:08 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

> Are you sure? Have you ever *tried* using one in that role?
> If not, how can you be sure? In particular, how can you
> effectively argue with someone who *has* used a Petri
> dish for a brain?

It's been tried here on this newsgroup (arguing with someone who *has*
hsed a Petri dish for a brain).  The outcome has been the same as
trying to reason with the inmates at the asylum.

Somethings in life are like pissing in the wind!
--------------------------------------------

In case you haven't heard.  Petrie dishes are widely used in research.

Web  Results 1 - 10 of about 795,000 for petrie dish used in research.
(0.23 seconds)
Mark Probert - 23 Jun 2008 13:47 GMT
> In message <be26711e-2d0f-49c7-a9e0-f7d8517bb...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Mark Probert wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Are you sure?  Have you ever *tried* using one in that role?
> If not, how can you be sure?  

The space is currently occupied by a fully functioning one using grey
matter.

In particular, how can you
> effectively argue with someone who *has* used a Petri
> dish for a brain?

Good point. Well, I have tried arguing with "t", Jimmy, et al, and, it
appears that they use petri dishes for brains. And, my arguments with
them have gotten them  no where. They are still fools.
Jan Drew - 24 Jun 2008 03:11 GMT
On Jun 21, 2:08 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> In message
> <be26711e-2d0f-49c7-a9e0-f7d8517bb...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Mark
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Are you sure? Have you ever *tried* using one in that role?
> If not, how can you be sure?

The space is currently occupied by a fully functioning one using grey
matter.

In particular, how can you
> effectively argue with someone who *has* used a Petri
> dish for a brain?

Good point.
***
Naa. surprise, surprise.

Well, I have tried arguing with "t", Jimmy, et al, and, it
appears that they use petri dishes for brains. And, my arguments with
them have gotten them  no where. They are still fools

=======================================
Such a pity DC Sessions and Mark S Probert do not know how to do a search.
Rather--they are here to belittle others

Web  Results 1 - 10 of about 70,300 for Petri dish used for "brain"
research. (0.25 seconds)

Mercury In Vaccines Causes Brain Cell Damage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5WNLOjmAiw

Btw, the video mentions amalgams.  Not one who lied about me and the links
of proof I posted
have had the integrity to apologize.
Jan Drew - 22 Jun 2008 01:41 GMT
UDP/ off AGAIN.
Hello, Marcia....

> Note from Ilena Rosenthal ...
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Autism Mercury Video assaulting the brains
> neurotransmittershttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tgwh3HpsM

Petri dishes are not brains.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/966a985371a2cc4b

Mar 15 2006

I will no longer engage in negative
behavior toward her for the reasons I previously posted.

This is O V E R.

My purpose here is to refute bullcrap, and tell the truth.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.parenting.spanking/msg/7567f98ee7dfbe2e

Mon, Jun 19 2006

As for me, I am maintaining my cease fire with her. I will respond to
posts of hers on a substantive basis, and not address her actions.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/3f6ab7b4497155fa

April 11, 2008

When they made Ilena, they broke the mold.
Vaccine-man - 22 Jun 2008 05:30 GMT
Hey irena,

I see you're still claiming mercury chloride was used in childhood
vaccines, when it never was. That is, after all, what this video used,
thus your title of the thread is untrue. I've told you this before,
which means you're lying about it it now. Here's the abstract straight
from pubmed (note thimerosal isn't used in the abstract):

Leong CC, Syed NI, Lorscheider FL.
Faculty of Medicine, Department of Physiology and Biophysics,
University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
Inhalation of mercury vapor (Hg0) inhibits binding of GTP to rat brain
tubulin, thereby inhibiting tubulin polymerization into microtubules.
A similar molecular lesion has also been observed in 80% of brains
from patients with Alzheimer disease (AD) compared to age-matched
controls. However the precise site and mode of action of Hg ions
remain illusive. Therefore, the present study examined whether Hg ions
could affect membrane dynamics of neurite growth cone morphology and
behavior. Since tubulin is a highly conserved cytoskeletal protein in
both vertebrates and invertebrates, we hypothesized that growth cones
from animal species could be highly susceptible to Hg ions. To test
this possibility, the identified, large Pedal A (PeA) neurons from the
central ring ganglia of the snail Lymnoea stagnalis were cultured for
48 h in 2 ml brain conditioned medium (CM). Following neurite
outgrowth, metal chloride solution (2 microl) of Hg, Al, Pb, Cd, or Mn
(10(-7) M) was pressure applied directly onto individual growth cones.
Time-lapse images with inverted microscopy were acquired prior to,
during, and after the metal ion exposure. We demonstrate that Hg ions
markedly disrupted membrane structure and linear growth rates of
imaged neurites in 77% of all nerve growth cones. When growth cones
were stained with antibodies specific for both tubulin and actin, it
was the tubulin/microtubule structure that disintegrated following Hg
exposure. Moreover, some denuded neurites were also observed to form
neurofibrillary aggregates. In contrast, growth cone exposure to other
metal ions did not effect growth cone morphology, nor was their
motility rate compromised. To determine the growth suppressive effects
of Hg ions on neuronal sprouting, cells were cultured either in the
presence or absence of Hg ions. We found that in the presence of Hg
ions, neuronal somata failed to sprout, whereas other metalic ions did
not effect growth patterns of cultured PeA cells. We conclude that
this visual evidence and previous biochemical data strongly implicate
Hg as a potential etiological factor in neurodegeneration.
PMID: 11277574 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> Note from Ilena Rosenthal ...
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Autism Mercury Video assaulting the brains
> neurotransmittershttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tgwh3HpsM
Jan Drew - 23 Jun 2008 01:00 GMT
> Hey irena,

Who?

Cut back on you vaccinations, you cannot not read.
 
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