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Ilena Rose - 21 Jun 2008 03:24 GMT Note from Ilena Rosenthal ...
http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com Health Lover
Important Videos to counter the Vaccination Lobby Propaganda partially headquartere at Barrett's Quack websites and his Health Fraud List.
Mercury In Vaccines Causes Brain Cell Damage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5WNLOjmAiw
By University Of Calgary Autism Mercury Video assaulting the brains neurotransmitters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tgwh3HpsM
Jeff - 21 Jun 2008 04:47 GMT That's incorrect. At the doses used in today's vaccines (i.e., trace amounts), the mercury does not cause any problems, because it has been removed from vaccines. Even when it was in vaccines, the small amounts of mercury were never found to be harmful. In addition, the National Academy of Science's Institute of Medicine has done many studies of the data - it has found no link between mercury in vaccines and autism. And, if there were a link, one would expect the rate of autism to have gone down after mercury was removed from vaccines; however, the rate of autism did not go down. There is virtually no evidence that mercury causes autism.
Jeff
Jan Drew - 21 Jun 2008 05:24 GMT > That's incorrect. At the doses used in today's vaccines (i.e., trace > amounts), the mercury does not cause any problems, because it has been [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jeff Blatant lie. From Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz.
Not kids doc.
Note from Ilena Rosenthal ...
http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com Health Lover
Important Videos to counter the Vaccination Lobby Propaganda partially headquarterde at Barrett's Quack websites and his Health Fraud List. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm
Mercury In Vaccines Causes Brain Cell Damage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5WNLOjmAiw
By University Of Calgary Autism Mercury Video assaulting the brains neurotransmitters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tgwh3HpsM
Jeff - 21 Jun 2008 12:27 GMT >> That's incorrect. At the doses used in today's vaccines (i.e., trace >> amounts), the mercury does not cause any problems, because it has been [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Blatant lie. Show evidence to back your opinion, not personal attacks.
Jeff
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Jan Drew - 21 Jun 2008 23:46 GMT >>> That's incorrect. At the doses used in today's vaccines (i.e., trace >>> amounts), the mercury does not cause any problems, because it has been [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Jeff No personal atacks, just the truth, Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz/ Not kids doc.
> <garbage deleted> Truth restored, and more.
Blatant lie. From Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz.
Not kids doc.
Note from Ilena Rosenthal ...
http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com Health Lover
Important Videos to counter the Vaccination Lobby Propaganda partially headquarterde at Barrett's Quack websites and his Health Fraud List. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm
Mercury In Vaccines Causes Brain Cell Damage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5WNLOjmAiw
By University Of Calgary Autism Mercury Video assaulting the brains neurotransmitters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tgwh3HpsM
http://www.mercola.com/2002/jan/23/autism.htm
Autism Epidemic Soars in America
The number of children diagnosed with autism in America is continuing to increase at a rate of more than 20% a year, according to the latest figures published by the US Department of Health.
The figures show that in the year 1999/2000 the number of schoolchildren in America with autism was 65,396 compared with 53,576 the previous year.
Figures have risen steeply since the reporting of autism became mandatory in American schools in 1991. At first the increase was attributed to better reporting of the condition but after nine years some experts argue that the consistent rise must demonstrate an actual rise in autism rates.
It is estimated that up to one in 175 primary school children are autistic.
The USA statistics are incontrovertible proof of the autism epidemic which is sweeping the Western world. An epidemic which the health authorities are shamefully trying to cover up.
'A request to the Scottish Executive, made almost two years ago, to establish a register, by year of birth, of autistics, would have confirmed that this tragic condition had gone from rare to common since 1990.'
Dr Ed Yazbak, a retired American pediatrician, insists that the increase is real and argues that this can only be attributed to environmental factors. He says vaccination may not be the only cause but is convinced that it plays a part.
He said: 'These statistics tell us, not only that there has been a huge increase in autism rates in the last 20 years, but also that this increase is not stopping.'
He also argues that the increase cannot just be the result of better diagnosis because the same diagnostic techniques have been used since 1994.
'The criteria for diagnosing children has not changed and the people giving the diagnosis have not changed therefore this must be an increase in numbers and this must be due to environmental factors. We may find that this is being caused by something other than vaccination but it is certainly not genetic because this happens in the second year of life.'
The US has an extensive vaccination program, with babies given their first vaccine against Hepatitis B in the first two days of life and another two doses before they are 18 months old. Children also have five doses of diphtheria and tetanus, two doses of MMR, four of the Hib, (for meningitis), one of chickenpox, four of the polio vaccine and now four doses of a vaccine to prevent ear infections before they go to school.
'There are definitely too many vaccines,' said Yazbak. 'I don't think it is just vaccines but it is pretty crazy to give vaccines on the first day of life when the child doesn't need.'
Raymond Gallup, president of the Autism Auto-immunity Project, a US campaign group, said: 'I attribute this increase to over-vaccination. There is no doubt about it and MMR is the most problematic one. Children are definitely getting too many vaccines too early in life.'
Monday to Friday, 6am to 8.30am presented by Fran Kelly MMR Autism Link 6:35am - Thursday 9 February 2006
Listen (requires RealAudio)
The debate surrounding the safety of the triple-jab immunisation (measles, mumps, rubella) - and its link to autism has taken a new twist.
This week, a former top health official in Britain accused the Blair government of 'inexplicable complacency' over the issue.
Dr Peter Fletcher, who was Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health, says he's seen a 'steady accumulation of evidence' that the MMR jab is causing autism in some children.
His comments come eight years after a researcher found a link between the live measles virus in the MMR vaccine and regressive autism and inflammatory bowel disease in children.
That research has since been discredited by governments around the world. But now questions are again being asked.
Sue Corrigan is the journalist with the Mail On Sunday who broke the story.
http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/library/Danish%20Thimerosal-Autism%20St udy%20in%20Pediatrics.pdf
http://www.generationrescue.org/images/060406.gif
D. C. Sessions - 21 Jun 2008 15:14 GMT > That's incorrect. At the doses used in today's vaccines (i.e., trace > amounts), the mercury does not cause any problems, because it has been [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > autism did not go down. There is virtually no evidence that mercury > causes autism. There are no end of excuses why the rate of autism increase has not changed (it's not just a matter of not having "gone down.")
Oddly enough, though, the people making those excuses still conclude that they support the conclusion that Vaccines Are Causing Autism, even when their excuses amount to "other sources of mercury now dominate the autism increase."
| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Mark Probert - 21 Jun 2008 16:56 GMT > > That's incorrect. At the doses used in today's vaccines (i.e., trace > > amounts), the mercury does not cause any problems, because it has been [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Causing Autism, even when their excuses amount to "other > sources of mercury now dominate the autism increase." Precisely. It is called Kirby-ism. Kirby, who was never, and is still not, a medical/science writer, is keeping this myth alive to maintain his career. He is now in the financial pocket of those who hate living children, i.e. anti-vac liars, the merchants of disease, disability and death.
Jan Drew - 21 Jun 2008 23:52 GMT On Jun 21, 10:14 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> In message <_Q_6k.57$Wr.6@trndny04>, Jeff wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Causing Autism, even when their excuses amount to "other > sources of mercury now dominate the autism increase." Precisely.
LOL. Proving me 100% correct *gang Members stick together with their lies.
It is called Kirby-ism. Kirby, who was never, and is still not, a medical/science writer, is keeping this myth alive to maintain his career. He is now in the financial pocket of those who hate living children, i.e. anti-vac liars, the merchants of disease, disability and death. -----------------------------------
What a load of lies. No one here hates children. There is NO such thing as *anti-vac liars. Borrowed for proven liar, Peter Bowditch. Posted by Mark S Probert, another proven liar.
Note from Ilena Rosenthal ...
http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com Health Lover
Important Videos to counter the Vaccination Lobby Propaganda partially headquarterde at Barrett's Quack websites and his Health Fraud List. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm
Mercury In Vaccines Causes Brain Cell Damage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5WNLOjmAiw
By University Of Calgary Autism Mercury Video assaulting the brains neurotransmitters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tgwh3HpsM
http://www.mercola.com/2002/jan/23/autism.htm
Autism Epidemic Soars in America
The number of children diagnosed with autism in America is continuing to increase at a rate of more than 20% a year, according to the latest figures published by the US Department of Health.
The figures show that in the year 1999/2000 the number of schoolchildren in America with autism was 65,396 compared with 53,576 the previous year.
Figures have risen steeply since the reporting of autism became mandatory in American schools in 1991. At first the increase was attributed to better reporting of the condition but after nine years some experts argue that the consistent rise must demonstrate an actual rise in autism rates.
It is estimated that up to one in 175 primary school children are autistic.
The USA statistics are incontrovertible proof of the autism epidemic which is sweeping the Western world. An epidemic which the health authorities are shamefully trying to cover up.
'A request to the Scottish Executive, made almost two years ago, to establish a register, by year of birth, of autistics, would have confirmed that this tragic condition had gone from rare to common since 1990.'
Dr Ed Yazbak, a retired American pediatrician, insists that the increase is real and argues that this can only be attributed to environmental factors. He says vaccination may not be the only cause but is convinced that it plays a part.
He said: 'These statistics tell us, not only that there has been a huge increase in autism rates in the last 20 years, but also that this increase is not stopping.'
He also argues that the increase cannot just be the result of better diagnosis because the same diagnostic techniques have been used since 1994.
'The criteria for diagnosing children has not changed and the people giving the diagnosis have not changed therefore this must be an increase in numbers and this must be due to environmental factors. We may find that this is being caused by something other than vaccination but it is certainly not genetic because this happens in the second year of life.'
The US has an extensive vaccination program, with babies given their first vaccine against Hepatitis B in the first two days of life and another two doses before they are 18 months old. Children also have five doses of diphtheria and tetanus, two doses of MMR, four of the Hib, (for meningitis), one of chickenpox, four of the polio vaccine and now four doses of a vaccine to prevent ear infections before they go to school.
'There are definitely too many vaccines,' said Yazbak. 'I don't think it is just vaccines but it is pretty crazy to give vaccines on the first day of life when the child doesn't need.'
Raymond Gallup, president of the Autism Auto-immunity Project, a US campaign group, said: 'I attribute this increase to over-vaccination. There is no doubt about it and MMR is the most problematic one. Children are definitely getting too many vaccines too early in life.'
Monday to Friday, 6am to 8.30am presented by Fran Kelly MMR Autism Link 6:35am - Thursday 9 February 2006
Listen (requires RealAudio)
The debate surrounding the safety of the triple-jab immunisation (measles, mumps, rubella) - and its link to autism has taken a new twist.
This week, a former top health official in Britain accused the Blair government of 'inexplicable complacency' over the issue.
Dr Peter Fletcher, who was Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health, says he's seen a 'steady accumulation of evidence' that the MMR jab is causing autism in some children.
His comments come eight years after a researcher found a link between the live measles virus in the MMR vaccine and regressive autism and inflammatory bowel disease in children.
That research has since been discredited by governments around the world. But now questions are again being asked.
Sue Corrigan is the journalist with the Mail On Sunday who broke the story.
http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/library/Danish%20Thimerosal-Autism%20St udy%20in%20Pediatrics.pdf
http://www.generationrescue.org/images/060406.gif
JOHN - 21 Jun 2008 23:18 GMT > That's incorrect. At the doses used in today's vaccines (i.e., trace > amounts), the mercury does not cause any problems, because it has been [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jeff RAOFL!
mainframetech - 22 Jun 2008 01:03 GMT Jeff, I hate ta tell ya, but they haven't stopped using Thimerosal yet. The FDA website says that the FDA allows it in certain situations, and who can trust every doctor and clinic not to use the type of vaccine that contains Thimerosal on children if they have some of it?
Chris
D. C. Sessions - 22 Jun 2008 02:37 GMT > I hate ta tell ya, but they haven't stopped using Thimerosal yet. > The FDA website says that the FDA allows it in certain situations, and > who can trust every doctor and clinic not to use the type of vaccine > that contains Thimerosal on children if they have some of it? So who has been saving up the eight-year-old vaccine past its expiration date? Seems pretty stupid.
| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Jan Drew - 22 Jun 2008 05:50 GMT > In message > <a759a193-f1af-41f7-ab45-b0cde09f35ec@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > So who has been saving up the eight-year-old vaccine past > its expiration date? Seems pretty stupid. --------------------------------------
Yes, you are.
TABLE. Influenza Vaccine Manufacturers for the 2007-08 Influenza Season Manufacturer Vaccine Formulation Thimerosal preservative Age indication Sanofi pasteur, Inc. Fluzone®, Inactivated TIV Multi-dose vial Yes 6 months and older Single-dose pre-filled 0.25 mL syringe None 6-35 months Single-dose pre-filled 0.5 mL syringe or vial None 36 months and older Novartis Vaccine (formerly Chiron Corporation) Fluvirin® Inactivated TIV Multi-dose vial Yes 4 years and older Single-dose pre-filled 0.5mL syringe Preservative free (1 mcg or less mercury/0.5mL dose) 4 years and older MedImmune Vaccines, Inc. FluMist® LAIV Single-dose sprayer None Healthy* persons 2-49 years? CSL Biotherapies Afluria® Inactivated TIV Single-dose pre-filled 0.5mL syringe None 18 years and older Multi-dose vial Yes 18 years and older GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals (subsidiary of GlaxoSmithKline PLC) FluarixT Inactivated TIV Single-dose pre-filled 0.5 mL syringe Preservative free (1 mcg or less mercury/0.5mL dose) 18 years and older ID Biomedical Corporation (subsidiary of GlaxoSmithKline PLC) FluLavalT Inactivated TIV Multi-dose vial Yes 18 years and older
* "Healthy" indicates persons who do not have an underlying medical condition that predisposes them to influenza complications.
? On October 24, 2007 CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) recommended expanding the use of the nasal influenza vaccine LAIV (FluMist®) to include healthy children ages 2-4 years old (24-59 months old) without a history of asthma or recurrent wheezing. The vaccine continues to be recommended for healthy persons ages 5-49 years who are not pregnant.
> | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | > | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | > | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | > +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ JOHN - 23 Jun 2008 07:53 GMT > So who has been saving up the eight-year-old vaccine past > its expiration date? Seems pretty stupid. Was it banned 8 years ago?
And they still sell it to the third world.
And yes, you couldn't trust them an inch not to have mercury in trace amounts
The Hepatitis B vaccine, administered at birth for over ten years, contained 25,000 parts per billion (ppb) of mercury in the multi-dose vaccine vial. The multi-dose DTP and Haemophilus B vaccine vials, administered 4 times each in the 1990s to children at 2, 4, 6, 12 and 18 months of age, contained 50,000 ppb mercury. According to the EPA, any liquid that contains more than 200 ppb mercury is to be classified as hazardous waste based on toxicity
Mark Probert - 23 Jun 2008 13:50 GMT > Jeff, > I hate ta tell ya, but they haven't stopped using Thimerosal yet. > The FDA website says that the FDA allows it in certain situations, and > who can trust every doctor and clinic not to use the type of vaccine > that contains Thimerosal on children if they have some of it? The vaccines that contained thimerosal have all expired. As for the rest of your paranoia, well, it is paranoia.
Jan Drew - 24 Jun 2008 03:15 GMT Proven liar "Mark S Probert" <mark.probert@gmail.com> wrote in message news:83ec9789-ac42-475b-95f4-8e2b164f2230@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... On Jun 21, 8:03 pm, mainframetech <mainframet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Jeff, > I hate ta tell ya, but they haven't stopped using Thimerosal yet. > The FDA website says that the FDA allows it in certain situations, and > who can trust every doctor and clinic not to use the type of vaccine > that contains Thimerosal on children if they have some of it? The vaccines that contained thimerosal have all expired.
Flu shots still have thimerosal as well as others. Which has been proven.
As for the rest of your paranoia, well, it is paranoia. ======================== Famous words ( of the *gang*) when denying the truth.
David Wright - 24 Jun 2008 04:40 GMT >Jeff, > I hate ta tell ya, but they haven't stopped using Thimerosal yet. >The FDA website says that the FDA allows it in certain situations, and >who can trust every doctor and clinic not to use the type of vaccine >that contains Thimerosal on children if they have some of it? None of the standard childhood vaccines contain significant thimerosal, so your fearmongering is wasted.
(I'm not including flu vaccine in the "standard" list.)
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan
Jan Drew - 24 Jun 2008 05:38 GMT > In article > <a759a193-f1af-41f7-ab45-b0cde09f35ec@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -- David Wright http://www.thecre.com/quality/2005/20050825f_quality.html
Thursday, June 16, 2005 Why Won't the CDC Allow Access to the Vaccine Safety Datalink?
Memo to CDC: We're not getting our money's worth David Kirby May 23, 2005
Can mercury in vaccines cause autism in children? This hotly disputed question will only burn brighter as more biological evidence surfaces to suggest a link. But a definitive answer might take years. Meanwhile, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is sitting on a multi-million-dollar database - paid for by you and me - that could probably resolve this contretemps within weeks.
They have the data. We paid for the data. Yet we cannot see the data. The information is kept under lock and key within the massive health agency -- as jealously guarded as nuclear secrets.
The CDC tells us that they have looked at the data exhaustively and found "no evidence of harm." They implied that their own scientists are perfectly capable of analyzing the data, thank you very much, and outside researchers cannot be trusted to independently verify their analyses, nor to protect the confidentiality of patients whose numbers they would be crunching.
But, as any high school student can tell you, the replication of a study is the hallmark of all good science. Without access to the raw data originally used by the CDC researchers, it is impossible to verify their work. All we can do is trust that they got it right.
The CDC, which has budgeted nearly $200 million to operate the Vaccine Safety Datalink, spent four years analyzing data from children who received varying amounts of thimerosal in their vaccines. The study went through five different permutations before being published in November, 2003. Early study "generations," which were never meant to see the light of day, showed highly elevated, statistically significant increased risks for autism and other disorders among the kids receiving the most mercury.
But by the time the study was published, most of these associations had somehow disappeared entirely.
Only two outside researchers, Mark and David Geier, have managed to gain access to the raw CDC data. They faced daunting hurdles to get into the CDC computer center, and nearly crippling software malfunctions once they were inside. But among the data they did manage to mine, they reportedly found highly elevated risks for autism among children in the highest mercury exposure group.
So we now have two extremely different interpretations of the same data. It is way past time that the CDC allow a third team - outside researchers completely acceptable to all parties involved in this dispute - into the database to conduct any analyses they see fit. (Patients names are removed from the data, making it exceedingly hard for researchers to identify anyone, even if they desired, which is extremely unlikely in itself).
It sounds reasonable, it sounds nice. But don't hold your breath. The CDC is hardly issuing engraved invitations to come trawl its mainframes, despite a harshly written report earlier this year from the Institute of Medicine. The IOM complained of CDC foot dragging, and even insolence, on this matter, and suggested that vaccine officials at the health agency seek "legal counsel." Why? Because the original datasets of children used by the government have, as they say, gone missing. (Actually, the official explanation was that they "were not archived in a standard fashion.") The intentional loss or destruction of taxpayer funded data or datasets is a violation of the Federal Data Quality Act. It is a felony, and someone could go to jail for it.
Meanwhile, the data just sit there. Our data, not theirs. CDC officials insist they have an "open mind" on this issue, and that thimerosal has not been ruled out as a possible cause of autism and other disorders. But they also insist that the vaccine safety database yielded no evidence of harm.
If that is true, then why are they so reluctant to let someone else in to verify this claim? I cannot answer that question, because the CDC is not talking to me. But I do know that people with nothing to hide are unencumbered by doubts of what others will find if they rifle through their closet.
If the data can prove that injecting a known neurotoxin into infants at levels up to 125 times over federal safety limits was a safe and sane thing to do, then why isn't the CDC having an open house for all researchers worth their salt to come on down and have a look-see for themselves?
Without access to the raw data, parents who support the thimerosal theory - and their allies in Congress, academia and law - are falling back on other recent studies that show a possible link between mercury and autism. They may not have the epidemiology on their side, yet, but the mounting evidence emerging from the fields of biology and toxicology is becoming too urgent to ignore. Recent published studies have shown:
+ Autistic children retain mercury at much higher rates than non-autistic kids.
+ Autistic children lack certain sulfur-based proteins that bind to heavy metals and remove them from the body.
+ Autistic children have a dysfunctional immune profile generally consistent with mercury toxicity.
+ The rate of increase in reported autism cases peaked between 1987 and 1992, the same years that new mercury-containing vaccines were added to the U.S. schedule.
+ Mice with autoimmune disorders react horrifically to mercury exposure from vaccines, whereas typical mice of the same species do not.
+ In primates, mercury from vaccines was more likely to become trapped in the brain than mercury from fish.
+ Children who live near mercury spewing power plants have an elevated risk of developing autism.
These are all intriguing, to be sure. But what we really need is to get our hands on the raw CDC data - our data.
David Kirby is author of "Evidence of Harm" (St. Martin's Press) www.evidenceofharm.com
Mark Probert - 21 Jun 2008 18:56 GMT > Note from Ilena Rosenthal ... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Autism Mercury Video assaulting the brains > neurotransmittershttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tgwh3HpsM Petri dishes are not brains.
D. C. Sessions - 21 Jun 2008 19:08 GMT >> Note from Ilena Rosenthal ...
>> http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com >> Health Lover [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Petri dishes are not brains. Are you sure? Have you ever *tried* using one in that role? If not, how can you be sure? In particular, how can you effectively argue with someone who *has* used a Petri dish for a brain?
| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Myrl - 21 Jun 2008 21:19 GMT > Are you sure? Have you ever *tried* using one in that role? > If not, how can you be sure? In particular, how can you > effectively argue with someone who *has* used a Petri > dish for a brain? It's been tried here on this newsgroup (arguing with someone who *has* hsed a Petri dish for a brain). The outcome has been the same as trying to reason with the inmates at the asylum.
Somethings in life are like pissing in the wind!
Jan Drew - 22 Jun 2008 01:46 GMT On Jun 21, 11:08 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> Are you sure? Have you ever *tried* using one in that role? > If not, how can you be sure? In particular, how can you > effectively argue with someone who *has* used a Petri > dish for a brain? It's been tried here on this newsgroup (arguing with someone who *has* hsed a Petri dish for a brain). The outcome has been the same as trying to reason with the inmates at the asylum.
Somethings in life are like pissing in the wind! --------------------------------------------
In case you haven't heard. Petrie dishes are widely used in research.
Web Results 1 - 10 of about 795,000 for petrie dish used in research. (0.23 seconds)
Mark Probert - 23 Jun 2008 13:47 GMT > In message <be26711e-2d0f-49c7-a9e0-f7d8517bb...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Mark Probert wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Are you sure? Have you ever *tried* using one in that role? > If not, how can you be sure? The space is currently occupied by a fully functioning one using grey matter.
In particular, how can you
> effectively argue with someone who *has* used a Petri > dish for a brain? Good point. Well, I have tried arguing with "t", Jimmy, et al, and, it appears that they use petri dishes for brains. And, my arguments with them have gotten them no where. They are still fools.
Jan Drew - 24 Jun 2008 03:11 GMT On Jun 21, 2:08 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> In message > <be26711e-2d0f-49c7-a9e0-f7d8517bb...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Mark [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Are you sure? Have you ever *tried* using one in that role? > If not, how can you be sure? The space is currently occupied by a fully functioning one using grey matter.
In particular, how can you
> effectively argue with someone who *has* used a Petri > dish for a brain? Good point. *** Naa. surprise, surprise.
Well, I have tried arguing with "t", Jimmy, et al, and, it appears that they use petri dishes for brains. And, my arguments with them have gotten them no where. They are still fools
======================================= Such a pity DC Sessions and Mark S Probert do not know how to do a search. Rather--they are here to belittle others
Web Results 1 - 10 of about 70,300 for Petri dish used for "brain" research. (0.25 seconds)
Mercury In Vaccines Causes Brain Cell Damage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5WNLOjmAiw
Btw, the video mentions amalgams. Not one who lied about me and the links of proof I posted have had the integrity to apologize.
Jan Drew - 22 Jun 2008 01:41 GMT UDP/ off AGAIN. Hello, Marcia....
> Note from Ilena Rosenthal ... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Autism Mercury Video assaulting the brains > neurotransmittershttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tgwh3HpsM Petri dishes are not brains.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/966a985371a2cc4b
Mar 15 2006
I will no longer engage in negative behavior toward her for the reasons I previously posted.
This is O V E R.
My purpose here is to refute bullcrap, and tell the truth.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.parenting.spanking/msg/7567f98ee7dfbe2e
Mon, Jun 19 2006
As for me, I am maintaining my cease fire with her. I will respond to posts of hers on a substantive basis, and not address her actions.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/3f6ab7b4497155fa
April 11, 2008
When they made Ilena, they broke the mold.
Vaccine-man - 22 Jun 2008 05:30 GMT Hey irena,
I see you're still claiming mercury chloride was used in childhood vaccines, when it never was. That is, after all, what this video used, thus your title of the thread is untrue. I've told you this before, which means you're lying about it it now. Here's the abstract straight from pubmed (note thimerosal isn't used in the abstract):
Leong CC, Syed NI, Lorscheider FL. Faculty of Medicine, Department of Physiology and Biophysics, University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Inhalation of mercury vapor (Hg0) inhibits binding of GTP to rat brain tubulin, thereby inhibiting tubulin polymerization into microtubules. A similar molecular lesion has also been observed in 80% of brains from patients with Alzheimer disease (AD) compared to age-matched controls. However the precise site and mode of action of Hg ions remain illusive. Therefore, the present study examined whether Hg ions could affect membrane dynamics of neurite growth cone morphology and behavior. Since tubulin is a highly conserved cytoskeletal protein in both vertebrates and invertebrates, we hypothesized that growth cones from animal species could be highly susceptible to Hg ions. To test this possibility, the identified, large Pedal A (PeA) neurons from the central ring ganglia of the snail Lymnoea stagnalis were cultured for 48 h in 2 ml brain conditioned medium (CM). Following neurite outgrowth, metal chloride solution (2 microl) of Hg, Al, Pb, Cd, or Mn (10(-7) M) was pressure applied directly onto individual growth cones. Time-lapse images with inverted microscopy were acquired prior to, during, and after the metal ion exposure. We demonstrate that Hg ions markedly disrupted membrane structure and linear growth rates of imaged neurites in 77% of all nerve growth cones. When growth cones were stained with antibodies specific for both tubulin and actin, it was the tubulin/microtubule structure that disintegrated following Hg exposure. Moreover, some denuded neurites were also observed to form neurofibrillary aggregates. In contrast, growth cone exposure to other metal ions did not effect growth cone morphology, nor was their motility rate compromised. To determine the growth suppressive effects of Hg ions on neuronal sprouting, cells were cultured either in the presence or absence of Hg ions. We found that in the presence of Hg ions, neuronal somata failed to sprout, whereas other metalic ions did not effect growth patterns of cultured PeA cells. We conclude that this visual evidence and previous biochemical data strongly implicate Hg as a potential etiological factor in neurodegeneration. PMID: 11277574 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> Note from Ilena Rosenthal ... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Autism Mercury Video assaulting the brains > neurotransmittershttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tgwh3HpsM Jan Drew - 23 Jun 2008 01:00 GMT > Hey irena, Who?
Cut back on you vaccinations, you cannot not read.
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