On Jun 22, 4:32 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

If you can't figure that out Jan - then there is no hope for you!  I'm
not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you.  Others
understand, and that's good enough for me!
---------------------------
Uh huh.  You cannot answer.
Figure out this.   It shows who is lying.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/f45e37c07ebba9eb

Dec 31,2003

R E S O L V E D

To the readers of Alt.support.breast-implant:

Many of you have seen or read the numerous messages which go back and forth
between Ilena Rosenthal, Director of the Humantics Foundation for Women, and
persons she refers to as her "enemies".  We, the undersigned, are certain
that
like us, you have grown immensely tired of this back and forth.

Therefore, as the turn of a New Year symbolizes new beginnings, we are
offering
the following New Year's Resolution.  Commencing from the period immediately
following the posting of this message, and through January 31, the
undersigned
posters pledge to completely ignore Ilena Rosenthal.  And we mean ignore in
the
same spirit offered by the great non-violent peace activists:  we will not
not
respond, no matter how provoked.  We will not provoke.  We will not
acknowledge
the presence or even existence of Ilena Rosenthal whatsoever on Usenet.

Ms. Rosenthal herself has said, "Here's another idea ... ask those attacking
me
to leave me alone ...have them stop telling me what to do, how to do it, and
stop claiming I'm a cocaine addicted pandering whore ...and I'll have no
need to
defend myself. I'd happily continue posting articles, studies, links etc. as
I've done for 8 years." (Message:
19faaec.0309231828.46edf...@posting.google.com)

Here is a perfect opportunity for her to finally make that promise real.

On February 1, the success of this will be assessed, and a thorough and
honest
accounting will be offered in the form of a brief summary report.  At that
time,
it is up to the signatories to this resolution to decide for themselves
whether
or not their participation ought to be continued.

One note - this pledge does not mean that the signatories refrain from
posting
to Usenet, or even from a.s.b-i.  It means, simply, that for the period of
this
point through January 31, it will be as though Ilena Rosenthal does not
exist to
them.  They are free to post anything else, so long as it does not respond
to,
refer to, or in any way acknowledge Ilena Rosenthal, the Humantics
Foundation,
or any directly associated entities.

Thank you for your understanding of this matter.  We would ask that any
non-signatories not inflame the rhetoric themselves, and if you must write
on
this subject that it be in a moderating and reminding capacity.

Our best wishes for a happy, prosperous, productive, and peaceful New Year.
Any
of those not listed who are interested in participating are free to add
their
names at the bottom, so long as they recognize the responsibility such
signing
carries with it.  We do not want anyone joining with us who cannot exercise
the
self-control necessary to engage in this civil action.

Sincerely,

Andrew M. Langer
Lang...@aol.com

Coleah Penley-Ayers
Col...@pacifier.com

Martha Murdock
MAM-N...@prodigy.net

Myrl Jeffcoat
M...@jps.net

Robert Moore
OORER...@aol.com

Dr. Patrick O'Leary
Mp...@aol.com

Karen S. Lawrence
ParfumG...@aol.com

Suan Schaezler
SusanS3...@aol.com,

Any posts by Andrew Langer are his own, written by him, for his own
enjoyment (and the education of others).  Unless expressly stated,
they represent his own views, and not those of any other individuals
or entities.  He is not, nor has he ever been, paid to post here.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/64e770361f1bca65

Jan 4,2004

Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant, misc.health.alternative,
misc.kids.health
From: "Mark ProbertJanuary 4, 2004" <MarkProbert1-4...@lumbercartel.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 16:27:07 GMT
Local: Sun, Jan 4 2004 12:27 pm
Subject: A New Year's Resolution
From: Andrew Langer (Lang...@aol.com)
Subject: A New Year's Resolution
View: Complete Thread (2 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant
Date: 2003-12-31 08:03:44 PST

R E S O L V E D

To the readers of Alt.support.breast-implant:

Many of you have seen or read the numerous messages which go back and forth
between Ilena Rosenthal, Director of the Humantics Foundation for Women, and
persons she refers to as her "enemies".  We, the undersigned, are certain
that
like us, you have grown immensely tired of this back and forth.

Therefore, as the turn of a New Year symbolizes new beginnings, we are
offering
the following New Year's Resolution.  Commencing from the period immediately
following the posting of this message, and through January 31, the
undersigned
posters pledge to completely ignore Ilena Rosenthal.  And we mean ignore in
the
same spirit offered by the great non-violent peace activists:  we will not
not
respond, no matter how provoked.  We will not provoke.  We will not
acknowledge
the presence or even existence of Ilena Rosenthal whatsoever on Usenet.

Ms. Rosenthal herself has said, "Here's another idea ... ask those attacking
me
to leave me alone ...have them stop telling me what to do, how to do it, and
stop claiming I'm a cocaine addicted pandering whore ...and I'll have no
need to
defend myself. I'd happily continue posting articles, studies, links etc. as
I've done for 8 years." (Message:
19faaec.0309231828.46edf...@posting.google.com)

Here is a perfect opportunity for her to finally make that promise real.

On February 1, the success of this will be assessed, and a thorough and
honest
accounting will be offered in the form of a brief summary report.  At that
time,
it is up to the signatories to this resolution to decide for themselves
whether
or not their participation ought to be continued.

One note - this pledge does not mean that the signatories refrain from
posting
to Usenet, or even from a.s.b-i.  It means, simply, that for the period of
this
point through January 31, it will be as though Ilena Rosenthal does not
exist to
them.  They are free to post anything else, so long as it does not respond
to,
refer to, or in any way acknowledge Ilena Rosenthal, the Humantics
Foundation,
or any directly associated entities.

Thank you for your understanding of this matter.  We would ask that any
non-signatories not inflame the rhetoric themselves, and if you must write
on
this subject that it be in a moderating and reminding capacity.

Our best wishes for a happy, prosperous, productive, and peaceful New Year.
Any
of those not listed who are interested in participating are free to add
their
names at the bottom, so long as they recognize the responsibility such
signing
carries with it.  We do not want anyone joining with us who cannot exercise
the
self-control necessary to engage in this civil action.

Sincerely,

Andrew M. Langer
Lang...@aol.com

Coleah Penley-Ayers
Col...@pacifier.com

Martha Murdock
MAM-N...@prodigy.net

Myrl Jeffcoat
M...@jps.net

Robert Moore
OORER...@aol.com

Dr. Patrick O'Leary
Mp...@aol.com

Karen S. Lawrence
ParfumG...@aol.com

Suan Schaezler
SusanS3...@aol.com,

I made this resolution severalyears ago. Unfortunately, I am still the
victim of her attacks as she sees me everywhere anyone posts from AOL. I
have absolutely no desire to deal with this woman, but, alas, she will not
leave me alone.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/739ac5a4f7fdd49e

Jan 4, 2004

Then kindly leave.

Jan

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/fc5af458ddef0ec1

Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant
From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX)
Date: 06 Jan 2004 17:54:38 GMT
Local: Tues, Jan 6 2004 1:54 pm
Subject: Re: A New Year's

Then you are obviously easily amused.

Even though Andrew and others have made the spirit in which they made their
New
Year's Resolution clear, others feel the need to weigh in inappropriately.

It is fairly obvious to me that Jan was trying to provoke one of the signers
into breaking their promise, just as it is obvious to me that you are doing
the
same thing, Sistah Ilena.

There is something that you say below that I find extremely provocative.

Are we to now believe that you are an expert in french, Sistah?

I thought it was fairly clear (and clever) that rather than call Jan a
"provocateur", which would be incorrect given her gender, he called her a
"provocateuse", which was gender-correct.  Rather PC of him.  Certainly
accurate.

It's a nicer word than "provoker," don't you think?

You get a little touchy when people publicly announce that they want nothing
to
do with you, don't you, Sistah Ilena?

Well, my only intersection with Langer and Probert has been regarding you,
Sistah Ilena.  I've never even spoken with Probert, though you claim that he
and I are the same person.

Apparently it is just another unsupported accusation made by Sistah Ilena
Rosenthal.

With a provoking statement.  She didn't have to say anything at all, but if
she
was posting to elicit a response on the subject, she was acting in a
provoking
capacity.

My dictionary defines "provoker" as "someone who deliberately foments
trouble."
Posting a statement that you are going to ignore someone isn't one of
provocation, as it isn't made to "foment trouble."  The statement was posted
explicitly to avoid trouble and alleviate trouble.

Isn't it funny how someone who just accused someone else of misusing a word
has
now been shown to have been misusing a word herself?

This is the provactive statement I referred to above, Sistah Ilena.  It is
clearly provocative to make an accusation that someone has gone behind
someone
else's back to undermine their credibility and then not post any proof to
support that accusation, especially when the accused person has sworn not to
respond, and is thus unable to defend himself.

This is the kind of tactic you keep in your arsenal, and one of the reasons
why
I could in good conscience no longer support you.

So now I ask you, because Brother Langer cannot, to please share with us
your
proof of this accusation.  Please, Sistah Ilena.  I would like to see the
e-mails that Brother Langer sent to these women.

As Salaam Aleikum, my Sistah!

AloysiousX

****
That is Mark S Probert, Merrick,

FACT he lied.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/822d45733f1b6cde

Jan 6, 2004

You know something, Sistah Ilena, I'm not Mark Probert

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/9b161d56a494463d

Jun 7. 2008

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Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant
Date: 06 Jan 2004 17:54:38 GMT
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