Wait -- when anyone asks you what evidence there is that
"like cures like," you've denied that it matters.  Now
you tell us it's "what Homeopathy IS ALL ABOUT."

The caps are, of course, unarguable -- so how about
that evidence?

+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+

Did I say that?

Indeed he does. Professor of complementary medicine at a real
university.

Are they? I would have thought that the "standard medical community"
would be those proposing and supporting standard medicine, not magic.

What are those objections?

Alternative medicine research is no more difficult than research into
real medicine.

You do have evidence for this, I suppose. Please don't mention Codex
Alimentarius.

I know that you identify with the anti-vaccination liars, but
repeating their lies makes you one of them.

I seem to remember some criticism. Some of it has even been shouted,
as if that made it more cogent and coherent.

Ah, that old example of "lying with the truth".

Professor Ernst was a true believer. His problem is that when he does
research he sees that his beliefs are wrong. Like all real scientists
he adjusts his beliefs to fit the facts.

It does if that is what such practices are.

Which parts are they?

Good. Get on with the OPPOSING.

On Jun 19, 7:33 pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:

Peter Bowditch!!!!
Apparently one of my postings that you DID NOT
find "semantically vacuous", eh?!!

I have good news and bad news for you.

The good news:
Yes, Ernst has seemingly good credentials.

The bad news:
As with the reaction from the STANDARD medical community against the
Lancet's 2005 "End of Homeopathy" issue,
the STANDARD medical community is raising serious objections to
Ernst's one sided approach.

Before out I mention that, let me offer my opinion.

I believe YOU and other denialists in the act of irrationally and
hysterically attempting to discredit ALL alternative medicine BASED
SOLELY ON PLACEBO TRIALS APART FROM CLINICAL CASES, THE SO CALLED
EVIDENCE (SIC) BASED MEDICINE, are unwittingly becoming the servants
of forces inimical to the STANDARD medical profession.  In addition,
the attempt to influence public opinion based on the "Randi" challenge
and now the "Ernst" challenge, will have a negative effect on STANDARD
medical research as well as making alternative medical research all
the more difficult.

I accuse you of unintentionally aiding the forces of medical
totalitarianism which ultimately seek the reduction of all humans to
the status of forced medical consumers.  You THINK you are fighting
against fallacious systems of medicine
but you are unwittingly aiding medical and pharmaceutical corporatists
who view the incredible growth of alternative systems of medicine,
and, more importantly, their popularity, as a grave threat to the
obscene profits once the exclusive domain of the corporatists.

At this moment, as we speak, and largely unreported,
legislators in Canada are attempting to do an end
run around public opinion and FORCE the necessity
of prescriptions for things such as a single bottle of
Vitamin C.  Similar legislation has been RESOUNDINGLY
defeated here in the states but I'm certain
they will try again.  Elsewhere, attempts have been
made to FORCE vaccinations, even against growing resistance that they
may not work, may not work as advertised
and may in fact have serious long term after
effects.

IN POSTING AFTER POSTING, YOU AND OTHER
DENIALISTS CITE YOUR PLACEBO TESTS AS THE
ULTIMATE ARBITER OF SCIENTIFIC TRUTH.
THIS EMPIRICAL PSEUDO-SCIENTIFIC QUACKERY
WHICH SOMEHOW PLACES META ANALYSES COUNTING
BEAN COUNTERS AHEAD OF MD REASEARCHERS, CLINICIANS
AND SCIENTISTS, HAS, I BELIEVE, GONE QUITE FAR
ENOUGH WITHOUT CRITICISM IN THIS NEWSGROUP.

IT IS THE SAME WITH ERNST'S BOOK;
THE WEBSITE HOMEOPATHY 4 HEALTH

http://homeopathy4health.wordpress.com/2008/06/04/edzard-ernsts-uncritical-endor
sement-for-ebm-is-empirical-quackery/

the incisive refutational comments of
Ralf Jeutter PhD RSHom regarding Singh and
Ernst's book are printed:
"Ernst loses academic credibility by refusing to
acknowledge the real complexity of research into CAM. Moreover he
refuses to acknowledge that most
conventional treatments and interventions are
not evidence based. He has found a way of making
headlines by propagating very crude science indeed.
His academic status is further undermined by acting
much more like a quackbuster of recent years than
as somebody who should be encouraging more research (including
research methodologies into CAM) to
benefit the profession and patients."

"It really does not become a Professor of CAM
to dismiss such a longstanding and successful
practice like homeopathy as ‘bogus’ and ‘nonsense’.
As an academic he has had to make a determined
effort to ignore the plethora of research which
has grown around homeopathy over the last 200 years: pre-clinical
fundamental research; fundamental
research into physics and chemistry as far as it
has a bearing on homeopathy; experiments on plants
with ultra-high dilutions; experiments on animals
and animal tissue with ultra-high dilutions;
in-vitro studies; clinical studies, be they
observational or comparative studies;
controlled studies of nosological
clinical homeopathy to randomised
clinical isopathic and epidemiological studies.
He has also ignored the dedicated hard work
of many researchers into CAM and associated fields: dismissing all of
this as useless activity
which has yielded nothing and will never yield
anything. I think it would suit Prof. Ernst
to show more respect to his colleagues and a
modicum of modesty.

Ernst has come to the conclusion that homeopathy
doesn’t work by cherry-picking what he considers
to be state-of-the-art research methodologies,
which conflict in many instances with clinical realities."

You are a DISGRACE, in my
opinion, Peter Bowditch for unwittingly
assisting in  the destruction of real medicine,
STANDARD AND ALTERNATIVE by
popularizing such attitudes as Ernst espouses
regarding the chimera known as "Evidence Based Medicine" -
a standard which much of STANDARD MEDICINE ITSELF does
not follow.

YOU and the other denialists espouse the DEHUMANIZATION of
medicine and the systematic reduction of all citizens
to the status of drug consuming robots, obediently taking their pills
when told and then taking more
pills to counteract the earlier pills.
And  you have LOTS of "meta analyses" carefully
prepared  to "prove" (sic)
that you are "right"!

WE are here to tell YOU Mr. Bowditch, that such
perfidy will be OPPOSED most severely now and
in the future.

Citizen Jimserac

Right on!  You pegged Peter Bowditch.
He is a proven liar and posts spam with every post.
Lies about that, too.