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Earlier Barrett Operations: Lying to anti-fluoride group to find out their strategies & bring them down
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Ilena Rose - 17 Jun 2008 17:27 GMT With thanks to Myrl "Will Ketcher" Jeffcoat ... who advertises the quackery of Stephen Barrett and voluntarily requested to join his 'snake-oil vigilantes' propaganda team! www.BreastImplantAwarenress.org/myrl.html www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20070210005131/http://www.rvi.net/~fluoride/000070.htm
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A glimpse into his character can be gained through his habitual use of words to mean their exact opposite. For example, in an article entitled "Poison Mongers," Dr. Barrett refers to people who are trying to stop the addition of fluoride, a poison, to the water supply as poison-mongers.
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FLUORIDE ... The Aging Factor How to Recognize and Avoid the
Devastating Effects of Fluoride by Dr. John Yiamouyiannis
Excerpts from the book, with permission from the author. Chapter 17 . . . The Conspiracy: The Second Generation
At the center of the second-generation conspiracy is John Small. While he is only a high school graduate with no college degree, his credentials do include six years as an information officer for a government department on chemical warfare. He is now and has been the U.S. Public Health Service 'expert' on fluoridation since the 1960s.
Mr. Small's functions at the USPHS include the writing and printing of anonymous memos, on USPHS letterheads, covering up the harmful effects of fluoridation, and distributing these memos to promoters of fluoridation, and when necessary, geting his hands on memos and reports put out by the government (even the White House) and rewriting them so they no longer express their original concerns about the toxicity and ineffectiveness of fluoridation. Most of the information supplied to dentists and physicians concerning fluoridation comes either directly or indirectly from Mr. Small. He is the cover-up supervisor, an expert relied upon by the USPHS to supply answers to Congress.
He also has the task of harassing, intimidating, and destroying anyone whose publications, utterances, or activities work to the detriment of fluoridation. In some cases, he calls upon other divisions of the Public Health Service to 'neutralize' studies or articles showing adverse effects of fluoridation.
In 1969, when Dr. Yiamouyiannis was a biochemical editor for Chemical Abstracts Service, the world's largest chemical information center and the largest division of the American Chemical Society, he began to publicly express his concern about the health risks associated with fluoridation.
Mr. Small contacted his employer and communicated his displeasure with the statements of Dr. Yiamouyiannis. Dr. Yiamouyiannis was notified by his employer several times and finally told that if he spoke out against fluoridation one more time, he would be fired. He was told that $1.1 million in federal funding was in jeopardy if Chemical Abstracts Service did not shut him up.
After the meeting, his employer wrote to Small, "I have again talked to Dr. Yiamouyiannis and I have again made my position as strong and as clear as possible. He will not repeat this kind of performance and remain as an employee of Chemical Abstracts Service." Within weeks after Dr. Yiamouyiannis next spoke out against fluoridation, he was put on probation, was told that he would never receive a raise again, and was advised to find another job. He was ultimately forced to resign.
Two years later, Dr. Yiamouyiannis was appointed science director of the National Health Federation where he was able to devote more time on the fluoridation issue.
During the 1970s, the fluoridation battle was stalemated. On one side, those opposing fluoridation were winning elections to stop fluoridation. On the other side, there was the force and money and power of the USPHS, the ADA, and industry that kept fluoridation going. In 1978, Yiamouyiannis served as a consultant and witness in a court case in Pennsylvania that proved fluoridation was harmful and banned it. The fluoridation promoters had to do something.
ADA's White Paper In 1979, the American Dental Association came out with a "White Paper on Fluoridation" characterizing fluoridation opponents as either "uninformed or misinformed" or "self-styled experts whose qualifications for speaking out on such a scientific issue as fluoridation were practically nonexistent or whose motivation was self-serving." It suggested that dentists should propagandize politicians while they are in the dental chair. The White Paper proposed setting up the conspiracy between the American Dental Association, Centers for Disease Control, Environmental Protection Agency, National Center for Health Statistics, National Institute of Dental Research, state dental societies, and state dental directors for "identification of communities where the timing for political action is favorable as well as unfavorable and where the opponents of fluoridation are considering the initiation of referendums" and for "promoting fluoridation."
It urged that "individual dentists must be convinced that they need not be familiar with scientific reports . . . on fluoridation to be effective participants in the promotion program" and that the ADA should cooperate with the USPHS to get EPA to soften its statements regarding fluoride as a contaminant. It suggested behavioral studies to "help anticipate the behavior of opponents of fluoridation," e.g. studies that would determine "Why would some persons deny the life-long health benefits of fluoridation to children? What kind of mentality would reject the opinion of those who are qualified by education, training and experience . . ."
It suggested that ADA's responses to opponents of fluoridation should be prefaced by: "The ADA reiterated its longstanding support of fluoridation . . . Numerous studies have shown . . . There is no evidence of any relation . . . Investigators have observed . . . ." It suggested that "The advice of behavioral scientists should be sought with regard to more realistic, convincing rebuttals" and that "The ADA should produce a step-by-step manual for the development and conduct of a fluoridation campaign . . . The ADA should provide field assistance if needed in a fluoridation campaign or cooperate with the [US]PHS and state health departments in providing such assistance."
Strategies of the Second Generation This conspiracy solidified in the formation of a planning committee to organize a symposium (sponsored by the United States Department of Health and Human Services (USDHHS), USPHS, Health Resources and Services Administration, Bureau of Health Care and Assistance, Maternal and Child Health Division, Centers for Disease Control, Center for Prevention Services, Dental Disease Prevention Activity, the W. K Kellogg Foundation, Delta Dental Health Plan of Michigan, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Michigan, and Medical Products Laboratories). This symposium took place at the University of Michigan on August 9-10, 1983.
Members of the planning committee included Mr. Small, Mr. James Collins of the CDC, Dr. Stephen Corbin of the USPHS, Dr. Robert Mecklenburg, Chief Dental Officer of the USPHS, Dr. William Warren, Chief Dental Officer of the Department of Health and Human Services, Dr. Joel Boriskin, chairman of the American Dental Association's National Fluoridation Advisory Committee, Dr. Wilbert Fletke of the ADA, Dr. Anthony Kiser of the ADA, Ms. M. Lisa Watson of the ADA, Ms. Martha Liggett of the American Association of Dental Schools, Dr. Michael Easley, formerly of the Ohio Dept. of Health and CDC, and Dr. Ray Kuthy of the Illinois Department of Health, who were and/or are some of the central figures in the conspiracy.
The stated purpose of the meeting was to "discuss the status of organized opposition to fluoridation; to analyze probable motives influencing the antifluoride movement; to assess the need for a national fluoridation strategy; to develop political and legal strategies for the defense and promotion of fluoridation; and to evaluate past legal and political profluoridation initiatives, focusing on the defeats as well as the victories."
An examination of the seminar speakers, their affiliation, and the content of their presentations provides a further look into the "unamerican" nature of this taxpayer-supported event.
Speakers included:
Dr. William T. Jarvis, a member of the board of advisors of the American Council on Science and Health (ACSH) and the National Council Against Health Fraud (NCAHF). He spoke on the "Psychology of Antifluoridationism." With regard to those opposing fluoridation, he stated: "I do not believe in providing such people a public platform from which they can create confusion and doubt about fluoridation . . . For several years I have put on fluoridation debates in my dental classes, taking surveys before and after to determine attitudes toward fluoridation. Invariably, each class became more antifluoridationist as a result of the debate."
Dr. Sheldon Rovin, a member of ACSH and coauthor with Stephen Barrett of the book, The Tooth Robbers, a book defaming antifluoridationists. He spoke on how to win fluoridation battles through the political process, pointing out that "if it is at all humanly possible, the referendum should be avoided." In the discussion following, Dr. Myron Allukian asked what could be done to stop antifluoridationists from getting signatures to put fluoridation on the ballot.
Dr. Stephen Corbin of the USPHS. As chairman of his workshop, he reported that his committee felt "the lead entities, namely the U.S. Public Health Service and the American Dental Association" should accept a plan "to close the 'windows of vulnerability' in our defense." He suggested avoiding trials based on the merits of fluoridation. Finally, he suggested that a mandatory state fluoridation law be developed. During the following discussion, Dr. Easley suggested a conspiracy to deny those seeking relief through the courts their right to due process.
Dr. Dennis H. Leverett of the University of Rochester. As chairman of his workshop, he reported that his committee felt that fluoridation was "a political rather than a scientific situation" and encouraged research on the adverse effects of fluoridation "that will presumably show no effect or will show equivocal results."
Dr. D. Scott Navarro of Blue Cross/Blue Shield, as chairman of his workshop, suggested that the cost of litigation defending fluoridation should be borne by taxpayers, professional organizations, health groups, universities, and research institutes.
Colleen Wulf of the Ohio Department of Health. As chairman of her workshop, she reported that her committee suggested the formation of a nonprofit organization which would coordinate with the CDC and ADA, pointing out that CDC has already drafted promotional materials for fluoride and that the ADA and the USPHS had already formed the Ad Hoc Committee to Plan for the Legal Defense of Community Water Fluoridation. She suggested that the name of the new group might be something like "Coalition for Improved Dental Health or something similar."
ASLAP As a matter of fact, the name of the group ended up being the American Oral Health Institute, incorporated in the state of Ohio on February 19, 1985 as a not-for-profit corporation. In 1985 and 1988, this organization came out with the first and second editions of a book, titled Abuse of the Scientific Literatune in an Antifluoridation Pamphlet (ASLAP), edited by Coleen A. Wulf, Karen F. Hughes, Kathleen G. Smith, and Michael W. Easley. The 215-page second edition of this book attacked the 1982, 1983, 1986, and 1988 editions of a very well referenced Question and Answer pamphlet titled Lifesavers Guide to Fluoridation by Dr. Yiamouyiannis that was effectively being used to fight fluoridation.
The preparation of this book was a collaborative effort of 18 federal and state health officials who were promoting fluoridation. Those with an asterisk after their name were invited to or attended the University of Michigan on August 9-10, 1983 symposium discussed above. There was not a single scientist among them: 10 were dental hygienists (Colleen A. Wulf*, Karen F. Hughes*, Kathleen G. Smith*, Linda S. Crossett*, Elizabeth King, Sharon Pierce, Ruth Nowjak-Raymer, Beverly Wargo, Geraldine Wirthman, and Karen Zinner), 2 were dentists (Michael Easley* and Elizabeth Bernard), 5 had degrees in public relations, education, psychology, or public health (James Collins*, Taimi M. Carnahan*, Claire Gelband, Judy Harvey, and Helen S. Hill), and one had no college degree at all (John Small*). The person who wrote the introduction was a psychiatrist (Stephen Barrett). . .
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Consumer Reports With the help of fluoride promoters, Consumer Reports prepared and published a two-part article on fluoride in its July and August 1978 issues. The writer of these articles was Mr. Joseph Botta. Mr. Botta holds a Master of Arts Degree in English, but no scientific degree. In this article he passed along the same lies and slander used by the promoters to the trusting readers of Consumer Reports.
The Consumer Reports article on fluoridation is the most artfully written piece incorporating the lies and slander necesssary to discredit the research and personalities of scientists showing that fluoridation is harmful. It is by far the Number One article distributed by the government bureaucrats in their promotion of fluoridation. This is not because government bureaucrats are not skillful liars. It is because, by having their spoon-fed material rewritten and published by a "consumer" magazine, their lies become more believable. Dr. William Bock of the Centers for Disease Control thought it was so good that he ordered 10,000 reprints and paid for them with federal tax dollars. The American Dental Association gave Mr. Botta an award for writing it.
This Consumer Reports article was used by U.S. Public Health Service bureaucrats to provide a "scientific" foundation for their views on fluoridation. The situation has become ludicrous. For example, Dr. Vernon Houk, the director of the Environmental Center for Health of the Centers for Disease Control, traveled all the way from Atlanta, Georgia, to St. Paul, Minnesota, to give his "expert" testimony by reading from the Consumer Reports article.
The "Big Lie" in this article and the phrase most often quoted from it is the claim that "The simple truth is that there's no "scientific controversy" over the safety of fluoridation." In 1990, Dr. Edward Groth III, the technical director for Consumer Reports, nullified this claim by stating: "The point is that this is a legitimate scientific controversy. Proponents of fluoridation insist that there are no grounds for controversy at all, and with that, I totally disagree." This hasn't stopped proponents from quoting the same phrase to this day.
Who is Stephen Barrett? Dr. Stephen Barrett, a psychiatrist, helped in the preparation of the 1978 Consumer Reports article and of the 1988 book Abuse of the Scientific Literature in an Antifluoridation Pamphlet. He has close ties with the American Dental Association, the American Medical Association, and the U.S. Public Health Service. He is a recipient of the FDA award for "quack-busting" and is a coauthor, along with William Jarvis and others, of the 1993 book Readers' Guide to Alternative Health Methods, published by the American Medical Association. In this book, he cites, and gives summaries of, the two publications mentioned above to inform his readers about fluoridation. He is a science and editorial adviser to the American Council on Science and Health.
A glimpse into his character can be gained through his habitual use of words to mean their exact opposite. For example, in an article entitled "Poison Mongers," Dr. Barrett refers to people who are trying to stop the addition of fluoride, a poison, to the water supply as poison-mongers. Now a monger is one who sells something, e.g. a fishmonger is a person who sells fish. Therefore, it is quite evident that a poison-monger is a person who sells poison. Thus, one opposed to having fluoride added to the water supply is exactly the opposite of a poison-monger. The word usage of Dr. Barrett is comparable to the process called "Newspeak" described in George Orwell's 1984, where what is true becomes false and what is false becomes true. The first few paragraphs of Dr. Barrett's article "Poison-Mongers" is the best example of how Dr. Barrett has used "Newspeak." "In hundreds of American communities citizens have voted against healthier teeth.
"Why?
"They were confused by poison-mongers.
"These alarmists in our society are using confusion and a scare vocabulary as weapons against fluoridation. They are cheating all of us, but especially our children.
"The benefits of fluoridation are supported by 10,000 scientific studies which prove the poison-mongers are wrong.
"What do the poison-mongers say?
"Instead of telling you that fluoride is found naturally in all water, they call it a 'pollutant'.
"Instead of telling you that fluoride is a nutrient essential to life, they call it a poison'.
"Instead of the big truth, that fluoridation has never harmed anyone, they tell the big lie and say it causes hundreds of ailments."
This article was published in newspapers across the country and was printed in the November 1976 issue of the Journal of the American Dental Association. It has also been used by the U.S. Public Health Service in its 'education' of Congressmen and in its campaign to get various areas around the country fluoridated.
A closer look into Dr. Barrett's personality can be obtained by examining his correspondence in 1972 with a group of people in Minnesota interested in stopping fluoridation. On March 8, 1972, Dr. Barrett wrote to one of these people, saying:
"I read your letter in Prevention [magazine] with some interest. There have been other attempts to defeat the fluoridationists in court but most have failed. Before investing money, I would like to have full details of what you plan."
Thanks, Stephen J. Barrett, MD."
In another letter to these people, dated April 4, 1972, Dr. Barrett wrote:
"Thank you for your recent telephone call. I am sorry that I could not immediately make the financial commitment which you requested. I know how enthusiastic you are and did not want to raise your hopes until I had a chance to discuss the matter with my group.
I am part of a group which is vitally concerned about fluoridation and which has raised a considerable amount of money. We are not yet sure whether it would be more practical to lobby or to go to court in Pennsylvania. The reason your lawsuit interests us is because it might be more practical for us to join your effort rather than go it alone.
"Thus we would need to have a detailed, written description of the plans of your suit. Our attorneys would then be in a position to study how it would effect Pa. law and also to estimate the chances of your suit being successful. We would also need some detail as to how the Attorney General's favorable attitude will be used to advantage without this becoming apparent to the American Dental Association.
"We realize you are hesitant to say too much about your plans. On the other hand, we could not make a total commitment unless we had full knowledge of what we would be getting for our investment. We realize this asks a lot of you. On the other hand, we think we have a lot to offer.
"You may be assured that whatever information you send us will be handled with appropriate discretion.
"Sincerely yours, Stephen Barrett, M.D."
On April 12, 1972, he wrote another letter to Miss Mary Bernhardt, the person at the American Dental Association responsible for promoting fluoridation, and related the following:
"Dear Miss Bernhardt:
"At about 6:20 this evening, I received another phone call from Mike Liptak, the organizer of MOFF [Minnesotans Opposed to Forced Fluoridation]. He said that at 4.30, Judge Gordon McRae ordered an injunction 'to keep the fluoride out of Brainerd.'
"He said that there were 1500 people who watched the trial and that the judge had cautioned them about becoming emotional. They were very quiet. The case presented by MOFF included an affidavit from Dr. Waldbott. The attorney general of Minnesota defended and was given 'five days for rebuttal.' According to Mr. Liptak, who again said he went to school with the attorney general, the attorney general said he 'would not furnish a rebuttal'. He merely stated that the new Minnesota law required fluoridation.
"Mr. Liptak added that there was an additional legal action scheduled for September. In about two weeks, 500 local citizens were planning to gather at a meeting where the vice-president of a local bank would get from them '3 year notes for $50 each' to help finance the suit. He explained that such mass action would not get them much publicity in Prevention magazine and the National Health Federation. It was their plan to seek further injunctions of this type with eventual overturning of the new state laws. He again asked me for a contribution, even a token one. He added that there might be money left over for use in another state such as Pennsylvania.
"On 5/14, Dr. Gross will try to contact leaders of the pro fluoridation forces in the Minnesota Dental Society and will also call the American Dental Association attorney. We have Mr. Liptak's confidence and hope to continue to use it to our advantage. Perhaps the dental society should consider entering the suit as a guardian of the children. It might also be helpful if some quick way could be devised to dissuade the Brainerd residents from their imminent investment in foolishness.
"Best wishes, Stephen Barrett, M.D."
Ironically, Dr. Barrett is a co-founder of the National Council Against Health Fraud.
Subsequently, he and Mary Bernhardt got together and published a book called The Health Robbers, in which they refer to those opposing fluoridation as health robbers. Excerpts from this book, which consist primarily of the substance of his poison-monger article, were reprinted in newspapers around the country, as well as in Family Health Magazine.
Teaming up with others of his kind, including Drs. Thomas Jukes, Warren Winklestein, and Joel M. Boriskin, Dr. Barrett complained about and tried to prevent Dr. Yiamouyiannis from speaking before the Faculty Club of the University of California, Berkeley. Together they claimed that Dr. Yiamouyiannis was some disreputable person not deserving a forum at the University of California campus.
In another action, Dr. Barrett, Dr. Boriskin and Dr. William Jarvis, who also is on the board of the National Council Against Health Fraud, wrote letters of complaint to the National News Council concerning an article published in the National Inquirer which pointed out that higher cancer risks were associated with fluoridation.
An indication of how Barrett's 'Newspeak' is passed down the line to local dentists is evident from the experience Dr. Yiamouyiannis had when he was called in by local residents of St. Charles, Missouri for a debate on fluoridation. When Dr. Michael Garvey, a local dentist, heard that Dr. Yiamouyiannis was going to be the opposition speaker, he refused to participate in the debate.
According to the November 12, 1982 St. Charles Post: "Dr. Garvey said American Dental Association Officials had told him, 'running up against Dr. Yiamouyiannis is not recommended'. The man is well-known as an antifluoridation speaker, Dr. Garvey said. 'This guy is a terror.'"
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Why haven't Consumer Reports, Stephen Barrett and others who issue false and defamatory statements been sued for libel and slander? Why haven't bureaucrats responsible for illegally spending tax monies to influence elections been prosecuted and sent to jail? Why haven't bureaucrats who have lied in court while under oath been prosecuted for perjury?
In many cases they have. However, when legal action was taken against Consumer Reports, the court didn't even allow a hearing on the case. The court claimed Consumer Reports' right to freedom of speech outweighed the plaintiffs right to due process of the law.
When charges concerning Dr. Schneiderman's alleged perjury in the Pittsburgh court case were brought before the district attorney's office, they pointed out it would be virtually impossible to convict anyone on perjury and they rarely, if ever, prosecute such cases.
Myrl - 17 Jun 2008 19:07 GMT For the Truth and the Facts surrounding Ilena Rosenthal and her foundation, please visit:
http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com
Read it and weep!
jurimed2@yahoo.com - 18 Jun 2008 02:42 GMT > For the Truth and the Facts surrounding Ilena Rosenthal and her > foundation, please visit: > > http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com > > Read it and weep! Myrl:
I'd feel a lot better about your commentary if you'd start writing checks to Ilena Rosenthal on behalf of your friend, and fellow quackpot, Terry Polevoy. After all, it was YOU and your friends on this list that encouraged Canada's embarassment to file and maintain his "fake" lawsuit. If you cannot afford to write a $10,000 check every six months, then could you at least commit to, say, $1,750 per month?
Concerned for integrity in California...
Tim Bolen
Myrl - 18 Jun 2008 02:47 GMT On Jun 17, 6:42 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > For the Truth and the Facts surrounding Ilena Rosenthal and her > > foundation, please visit: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Tim Bolen Tell you what Timmie, As a prerequesite to your question, why don't you start passing the hat for the judgement against Ilena Rosenthal in her court loss against O'Leary first?
Jan Drew - 19 Jun 2008 04:31 GMT "Myrl" <
Coleah - 19 Jun 2008 13:09 GMT > "Myrl" < Ah, Jan (or is it Sat-Jan speaking today?).....this post is not about Myrl. Your communication skills have reverted to that of a 1 yr old....bleating out one word sentences.
[Do wipe the drool off the side of your chin. That's a good girl.]
Jan Drew - 21 Jun 2008 04:35 GMT On Jun 18, 10:31 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "Myrl" < Ah, Jan (or is it Sat-Jan speaking today?).....this post is not about Myrl. Your communication skills have reverted to that of a 1 yr old....bleating out one word sentences.
[Do wipe the drool off the side of your chin. That's a good girl.] ------------------------------------------ This coming from a proclaimed practicing Christian. And name caller+proven liar.
Coleah - 21 Jun 2008 04:42 GMT > On Jun 18, 10:31 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > This coming from a proclaimed practicing Christian. > And name caller+proven liar. Killfile, Killfile, Killfile. Just DO it. (your bowels will loosen up)
Jan Drew - 21 Jun 2008 22:34 GMT > "Coleah" <col...@pacifier.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > This coming from a proclaimed practicing Christian. > And name caller+proven liar. Killfile, Killfile, Killfile. Just DO it. (your bowels will loosen up)
This coming from a proclaimed practicing Christian. And name caller+proven liar.
Jan Drew - 22 Jun 2008 05:59 GMT > On Jun 18, 10:31 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> "Myrl" < [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > This coming from a proclaimed practicing Christian. > And name caller+proven liar. Ilena Rose - 19 Jun 2008 15:13 GMT Note from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal, and victor in the 7 year battle of Barrett Vs Rosenthal: http://ilenarose.blogspot.com www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm
What is particularly useful about this thread ... is to see Coleah Penley Ayers & Myrl Jeffcoat jump & salute the slimey lies that Barrett used to infiltrate his enemies ... the anti-fluoride groups.
Pretending to be there to help the fluoride awareness groups ... yet hired to bring them down has been his modus operandi for decades ... and Jeffcoat & Penley Ayers salute his perfidy!
That Jeffcoat & Penley Ayers welcomed Andrew M Langer into the breast implant groups and gave him their blessing ... shows that these Snake-oil Vigilantes were fully embedded with them. Andrew M Langer has bragged that he wanted to be a spy ... and indeed he is!
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/LangerVsIlena.html
" I had thought that I wanted to become a spy- and knew that I wanted to learn Russian." Andrew M Langer, Snake-oil Vigilante, June 16, 2004
I am grateful that Jeffcoat & Penley Ayers have so publicly sided with the Snake-oil Team ... whose deceitful infiltration is legendary, that even with all of their shuffles and rodeo clown fake denials ... it is obvious they are walking on the side of industry!
With thanks to Myrl "Will Ketcher" Jeffcoat ... who advertises the quackery of Stephen Barrett and voluntarily requested to join his 'snake-oil vigilantes' propaganda team! www.BreastImplantAwarenress.org/myrl.html www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20070210005131/http://www.rvi.net/~fluoride/000070.htm
EXCERPT:
>A glimpse into his character can be gained through his habitual use of >words to mean their exact opposite. For example, in an article >entitled "Poison Mongers," Dr. Barrett refers to people who are trying >to stop the addition of fluoride, a poison, to the water supply as >poison-mongers. Myrl - 19 Jun 2008 16:35 GMT I see Ilena Rosenthal has awaken on the wrong side of the bed once again. Her obsessions about individuals who never post on newsgroups (Barrett & Polevoy) are becoming legendary.
I find it so ironic that she labels herself as the victor in a 7 year battle she had with these two men, but fails to mention her stunning loss in a previous lawsuit she was engaged in, where she sued for $100 Million bucks and lost. The victor in that lawsuit was awarded his legal fees, and Ilena has continued to refuse to pay him.
As for Andrew Langer - There has never been any evidence that he ever did anything other than support the women in their endeavors to present the dangers of breast implants to a proper FDA panel. There is no evidence he has harmed them in anyway.
To the contrary there is evidence in the archives of newsgroups, and from Ilena's own words, where she tried to entice into bathtub talk, the President of McGhan.
Ilena - I'm posting YOUR own words regarding your relationship with Bristol Meyer attorney, Nate Schactman. You try to excuse yourself from the fact, you took personal information shared between you and Schactman, about a breast implant victim. You then posted that information on this newsgroup and over the internet.
You try to blame Schactman because he gave you the information. But you were the one that took that information, and as a self-embedded, self-appointed advocate of women harmed by breast implants, you divorced your fiduciary responsibility, and catapaulted that personal information to the net.
No, I wasn't in Pointer's courtroom that day. But, you obviously were, and it is YOUR words that we're working off here. . .Are you now claiming you lied??? I don't think so, because the archives shows that personal information you posted to prove the point.
Spin on Ilena. . .People are watching.
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alt.support.breast-implant From: Ilena Rose <ilena.r...@geemail.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:18:42 -0600 Local: Fri, Aug 12 2005 9:18 am Subject: Coleah & Jeffcoat's Misrepresentation of Nate Schactman Spillin' the Beans on Schaezler
Filling this board with her love and appeciation to Ted "Nana/Cathy Credulous" Nidiffer and lies for Martha Murdock of NSIF ... Myrl has again demanded that I explain my "relationship" with BMS attorney Nate Schachtman. Her version is based on delusions ... here is what happened. Schactman brought up Schaezler's lawyer Laminack ... not me, regardless of Myrl's lies.
It is her way to diffuse the very unhealthy alliance she and Junk Science Flack Andy Langer have ... as well as create flak around the facts of Andy's deep "trust" in NSIF and Murdock ... and how they could be so joined at their hips these days. Myrl has a brain (?) like a sieve ... she makes demands for questions oft answered before.
[Myrl said]: Ilena - At the IOM you did not speak or present to the panel, but you have admitted that you had time to buddy up with BMS plaintiff attorney, Nate Schactman, to talk about the private affairs of one of our victims.
[Ilena said]: Actually, I did speak although I wasn't on the roster ... I spoke on Plastic Surgeons and their honesty if I recall.
I had just had a talk with Junk Scientist Leroy Young and was disgusted with them ... About Nate Schachtman ... you are wrong yet again. He is a BMS/MEC DEFENSE Attorney ... and used to post on sci.med.immunology and some of this Board. i met him there for the first time ... he introduced himself ... and was a very personable gentleman ... Corporate all the way.
It was in Birmingham in Judge Pointer's Court room when he was defending the "unbiased" Panel ... that he and I spoke again ... he me then that Schaezler had Dow and Laminack ... something none of women in her group knew ... she would dig and dig and demand ... but clammed up like a Mole when asked.
It was interesting that Schachtman knew ... when her "sisters" didn't. Weird too that he chose to tell me ... I think he thought it was common knowledge ... but it was NOT. If you want about Schachtman ... here he is:
http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&s...
Coleah - 19 Jun 2008 20:43 GMT > Note from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal, and victor in the 7 year > battle of Barrett Vs Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.comwww.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm > > What is particularly useful about this thread ... is to see Coleah > Penley Ayers & Myrl Jeffcoat jump & salute the slimey lies that > Barrett used to infiltrate his enemies ... the anti-fluoride groups. Poor Ilena. Head stuck in 'spin cycle'...spouting whatever BS flys out. Does it make you happy to make up your tales of boogie men, conspiracies and all that blither about people 'belonging to' or 'working for'...gagnamous!
Jan Drew - 21 Jun 2008 03:30 GMT <snip>
Nothing again, but insults. Sad that. On Jun 19, 9:13 am, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
> Note from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal, and victor in the 7 year > battle of Barrett Vs Rosenthal: [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] >>to stop the addition of fluoride, a poison, to the water supply as >>poison-mongers.
> What is particularly useful about this thread ... is to see Coleah > Penley Ayers & Myrl Jeffcoat jump & salute the slimey lies that > Barrett used to infiltrate his enemies ... the anti-fluoride groups. Coleah - 21 Jun 2008 04:37 GMT > <snip> > > Nothing again, but insults. > Sad that. LIAR !!! If the truth insults YOU....killfile me....PLEASE !!!
Jan Drew - 21 Jun 2008 22:36 GMT > "Coleah" <col...@pacifier.com> wrote: > > <snip> > > Nothing again, but insults. > Sad that. LIAR !!!
NO, that is YOU.
If the truth insults YOU....killfile me....PLEASE !!!
What truth? I thought you had me killfiled. Guess that was a lie, too.
Ilena Rose - 20 Jun 2008 16:37 GMT Note from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal, and victor in the 7 year battle of Barrett Vs Rosenthal: http://ilenarose.blogspot.com www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm
A reader was asking me if Coleah & Myrl & Pam are really as dumb as they seem about Andrew M Langer's infiltration of the support system ... or if they believe the women are the stupid ones.
Of course Andy was kissing their a.ses ... courting these women twice his age ... giving them so much attention ... organizing them against me and stopping their exposes and criticism against his funders ... the manufacturers. He was doing his job ... being paid to go to the FDA and 'romance' these needy women ... so they would advertise him as being a friend to the women.
He is a paid fake 'sound science' or junk science 'expert' ... only desperate sick womenlike these foolish flacks would believe that his only reason for putting such attention on them was anything other than to get you girls, to walk both sides of the aisle ... with him as your mascot.
Andy also is a longterm buddy of Barrett and a Snake-oil Vigilante ... pharma / med device shills who want to control all aspects of the vaccination, breast implant, amalgam, MCS etc. debates ... using silly desperate women like Will Ketcher (Myrl Jeffcoat) to do his spy work and treat him like some breast implant savior.
Fools.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/
What is particularly useful about this thread ... is to see Coleah Penley Ayers & Myrl Jeffcoat jump & salute the slimey lies that Barrett used to infiltrate his enemies ... the anti-fluoride groups.
Pretending to be there to help the fluoride awareness groups ... yet hired to bring them down has been his modus operandi for decades ... and Jeffcoat & Penley Ayers salute his perfidy!
That Jeffcoat & Penley Ayers welcomed Andrew M Langer into the breast implant groups and gave him their blessing ... shows that these Snake-oil Vigilantes were fully embedded with them. Andrew M Langer has bragged that he wanted to be a spy ... and indeed he is!
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/LangerVsIlena.html
" I had thought that I wanted to become a spy- and knew that I wanted to learn Russian." Andrew M Langer, Snake-oil Vigilante, June 16, 2004
I am grateful that Jeffcoat & Penley Ayers have so publicly sided with the Snake-oil Team ... whose deceitful infiltration is legendary, that even with all of their shuffles and rodeo clown fake denials ... it is obvious they are walking on the side of industry!
With thanks to Myrl "Will Ketcher" Jeffcoat ... who advertises the quackery of Stephen Barrett and voluntarily requested to join his 'snake-oil vigilantes' propaganda team! www.BreastImplantAwarenress.org/myrl.html www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm#Andrew-M-Langer www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20070210005131/http://www.rvi.net/~fluoride/000070.htm
EXCERPT:
>A glimpse into his character can be gained through his habitual use of >words to mean their exact opposite. For example, in an article >entitled "Poison Mongers," Dr. Barrett refers to people who are trying >to stop the addition of fluoride, a poison, to the water supply as >poison-mongers. Myrl - 20 Jun 2008 20:33 GMT Ilena - Please provide one shred of evidence that Andy Langer has ever spoke contrary to the women who present about the dangers of breast implants. Please provide evidence that he has harmed them, abuses them, or attacked them in any way.
There has NEVER been any evidence that Andy Langer has been anything but supportive of the women in their endeavors to present effectively about the harm that silicone breast implants has caused.
To the contrary, the archives of this newsgroup, are loaded with evidence of your attempts to entice the President of McGhan into bathtub talk. There is your own words about seeking out Bristol Meyer Squibb attorney, Nate Schactman, in Judge Pointer's court, and sharing private information about one of our breast implant victims. You later took that private information to the internet and newsgroups, and shared it.
You really are a piece of work Ilena! You really, really are!
http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com
> Note from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal, and victor in the 7 year > battle of Barrett Vs Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.comwww.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Jan Drew - 20 Jun 2008 23:35 GMT Ilena - Please provide one shred of evidence that Andy Langer has ever spoke contrary to the women who present about the dangers of breast implants. Please provide evidence that he has harmed them, abuses them, or attacked them in any way. -------------------------------------------- That is NOT what she posted.
There has NEVER been any evidence that Andy Langer has been anything but supportive of the women in their endeavors to present effectively about the harm that silicone breast implants has caused. ------------------------------------------------ Oh, dear, but remember he has never had breast-implants. YOU, Myrl never did criticize him as you have others. Why?
To the contrary, the archives of this newsgroup, are loaded with evidence of your attempts to entice the President of McGhan into bathtub talk. There is your own words about seeking out Bristol Meyer Squibb attorney, Nate Schactman, in Judge Pointer's court, and sharing private information about one of our breast implant victims. You later took that private information to the internet and newsgroups, and shared it.
You really are a piece of work Ilena! You really, really are!
Right backatcha!!!
> Note from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal, and victor in the 7 year > battle of Barrett Vs [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Coleah - 21 Jun 2008 00:24 GMT ***
> Note from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal, and victor in the 7 year > battle of Barrett Vs Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.comwww.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm Victor of litigation at the loss of her own reputation. Something to really brag about.
> A reader was asking me if Coleah & Myrl & Pam are really as dumb as > they seem about Andrew M Langer's infiltration of the support system > ... or if they believe the women are the stupid ones. Coleah - 21 Jun 2008 00:27 GMT ****
> A reader was asking me if Coleah & Myrl & Pam are really as dumb as > they seem about Andrew M Langer's infiltration of the support system > ... or if they believe the women are the stupid ones. I call a bullshit alert! First of all, in all of the years alt.support.breast-implant has been in existence (in which Ilena Rosenthal has harped about Andrew Langer), there were no other women posting Ilena’s wild assed claims about him. Just Ilena. I know, I know.....it's hard to fathom. With the 'thousands and thousands' of women Ilena claims are in her so called 'support group', not one of them would have hopped on Ilena's 'bash Andrew Langer bandwagon'. But alas, it has clearly only been an "Ilena issue".
Hasn’t she figured out that all of her bad mouthing hasn’t harmed him? If anything, it brought him empathy from other Washington, D.C. area gentlemen who have in their past encountered the ‘negative groupie’ type.
And may I offer once more that I think Ilena Rosenthal presents as someone suffering with untreated mental illness.
Jan Drew - 21 Jun 2008 03:36 GMT "Coleah" <coleah@pacifier.com> **** Groups View all web results » Results 1 - 10 of 193 for coleah@ pacifier . com untreated mental illness
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Coleah - 21 Jun 2008 04:39 GMT > "Coleah" <col...@pacifier.com> > **** [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Groups View all web results » Results 1 - 10 of 253 for coleah@ > pacifier . com mental illness I suppose you have a point in there some where.....about your mental illness???
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