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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / June 2008Are Vaccines & Anti-Virals Drugs ?? ?? ??
Note from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal: http://ilenarose.blogspot.com It appears to me, in this conversation below between Snake-oil Vigilante owner, Peter Bowditch, and Myrl Jeffcoat, Snake-oil Vigilante Wannabee, that they are doing the vaccination industry shuffle to attempt to obfuscate the hazards and spread further the massive amounts of disinformation about Tamiflu and vaccinations in general. Tamiflu is an anti-viral ... and definitely a drug. Peter Bowditch http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm "As Tamiflu is not a vaccine, there is no need to read this garbage any further." From: Myrl Jeffcoat Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:39 pm Subject: Re: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths It's a tad frightening that someone who is unable to discern the difference between a vaccine and a drug attempts to write with such authority. It certainly makes one wonder about the credentials of the author of the article doesn't it! ~~~~~~~~~~~ Really? What are you frightened of Myrl??? How are vaccines not drugs????? You sound like Terry Polevoy & Steve Milloy are using you as their voices and you are being made to look like a stupid vaccination shill. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/drug 1. Pharmacology. a chemical substance used in the treatment, cure, prevention, or diagnosis of disease or used to otherwise enhance physical or mental well-being. 2. (in federal law) a. any substance recognized in the official pharmacopoeia or formulary of the nation. b. any substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease in humans or other animals. c. any article, other than food, intended to affect the structure or any function of the body of humans or other animals. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vaccine 1. any preparation used as a preventive inoculation to confer immunity against a specific disease, usually employing an innocuous form of the disease agent, as killed or weakened bacteria or viruses, to stimulate antibody production. Myrl Jeffcoat to Peter Bowditch Mon, Jun 9 2008 10:39 pm Peter - Is there an application one must fill out to become a member of the "posse"? I know that both Jan Drew and Ilena Rosenthal are "honorary" members. I was just wondering if there are any pre- qualifications. I might want to join! > Note from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.com > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > "honorary" members. I was just wondering if there are any pre- > qualifications. I might want to join! I stick by those postings 100%. Tamiflu is not a vaccine - as quoted by David Gutierrez. It's a treatment which comes in the form of suppositories or suspension tablets: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths by David Gutierrez http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/browse_frm/thread/bd424ce 5acea9da7/a0d45b96204cf51d?lnk=gst&q=tamiflu#a0d45b96204cf51d I'm certainly not opposed to having Peter send me an application for that "ragtag posse." I'm supportive of any effort to help health consummers separate fact from fiction with it comes to medical and health care. As an aside, I wish it to be known I am not endorsing Tamiflu. I also note that stockpiles of the drug were created, at elaborate expense a couple years back. Apparently Bird Flu was discovered 9 years ago in Vietnam. Only 100 cases of Bird Flu actually appear to have occurred. It is also true that Rumsfeld, Cheney and others, who had heavy ties to Gilead the company which develops Tamiflu. There is an interesting bit of information about that at: http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/tamiflu.asp On Jun 15, 10:08 am, NO - 1:08 PM Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote: Note from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal: http://ilenarose.blogspot.com > It appears to me, in this conversation below between Snake-oil > Vigilante owner, Peter Bowditch, and Myrl Jeffcoat, Snake-oil [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Peter Bowditch http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm > "As Tamiflu is not a vaccine, there is no need to read this garbage > any further." [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Myrl Jeffcoat to Peter Bowditch > Mon, Jun 9 2008 10:39 pm I stick by those postings 100%. Tamiflu is not a vaccine - as quoted by David Gutierrez. It's a treatment which comes in the form of suppositories or suspension tablets: *Web Results 1 - 10 of about 619,000 for Tamiflu Vaccine. (0.25 seconds)* Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths by David Gutierrez http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/browse_frm/thread/bd424ce 5acea9da7/a0d45b96204cf51d?lnk=gst&q=tamiflu#a0d45b96204cf51d As an aside, I wish it to be known I am not endorsing Tamiflu. I also note that stockpiles of the drug were created, at elaborate expense a couple years back. Apparently Bird Flu was discovered 9 years ago in Vietnam. Only 100 cases of Bird Flu actually appear to have occurred. It is also true that Rumsfeld, Cheney and others, who had heavy ties to Gilead the company which develops Tamiflu. There is an interesting bit of information about that at: http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/tamiflu.asp Which has what to do with the fact: *Web Results 1 - 10 of about 619,000 for Tamiflu Vaccine. (0.25 seconds)* > Which has what to do with the fact: It should be fairly obvious to you Jan. David Gutierrez publishes and article titled, "Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths." Tamiflu is not a vaccine! It becomes a little frightening when an alternative medicine "expert" writes on a subject he seems to know so little about. > "Myrl" <wisgroup_leader@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > company which develops Tamiflu. There is an interesting bit of > information about that at: > Which has what to do with the fact: > > *Web Results 1 - 10 of about 619,000 for Tamiflu Vaccine. (0.25 seconds)* Myrl Jeffcoat ... you ALWAYS stand behind your lies and try to distract from them. YOU, sounding like Terry Polevoy in high heels ... claim YOU are able to "discern the difference between a vaccine and a drug." That is crap because the very definition of a drug includes vaccines. O really, Myrl. What is it? So stand by your ignorance all you want! From: Myrl Jeffcoat Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:39 pm Subject: Re: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths It's a tad frightening that someone who is unable to discern the difference between a vaccine and a drug attempts to write with such authority. It certainly makes one wonder about the credentials of the author of the article doesn't it! ~~~~~~~~~~~ Really? What are you frightened of Myrl??? How are vaccines not drugs????? You sound like Terry Polevoy & Steve Milloy are using you as their voices and you are being made to look like a stupid vaccination shill. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/drug 1. Pharmacology. a chemical substance used in the treatment, cure, prevention, or diagnosis of disease or used to otherwise enhance physical or mental well-being. 2. (in federal law) a. any substance recognized in the official pharmacopoeia or formulary of the nation. b. any substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease in humans or other animals. c. any article, other than food, intended to affect the structure or any function of the body of humans or other animals. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vaccine 1. any preparation used as a preventive inoculation to confer immunity against a specific disease, usually employing an innocuous form of the disease agent, as killed or weakened bacteria or viruses, to stimulate antibody production. Myrl Jeffcoat to Peter Bowditch Mon, Jun 9 2008 10:39 pm Peter - Is there an application one must fill out to become a member of the "posse"? I know that both Jan Drew and Ilena Rosenthal are "honorary" members. I was just wondering if there are any pre- qualifications. I might want to join! > Myrl Jeffcoat ... you ALWAYS stand behind your lies and try to > distract from them. [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > "honorary" members. I was just wondering if there are any pre- > qualifications. I might want to join! No Ilena - It is you that is very confused here. David Gutierrez wrote an article titled, "Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths." Tamiflu is not a VACCINE. I have never said that vaccines weren't drugs. My lay person opinion is they likely are. In fact I would go as far as to say that most vaccines are drugs - BUT not all drugs are vaccines. In fact probably most are not. Please don't attribute the writings and claims of others to me! Peter - Please send me an application to the posse. For the good of this newsgroup, I'd like to suggest a Peace Plan between Myrl and IIena > For the good of this newsgroup, I'd like to suggest a Peace Plan between > Myrl and IIena Sure Jan! But first look at the very first posting in this thread. Note who posted it, and what was said! If you can get that person to stop, I'll stop! By the way, how is that peace plan between you and Debbee coming. That plan was proposed first! On Jun 15, 6:06 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > For the good of this newsgroup, I'd like to suggest a Peace Plan between > Myrl and IIena Sure Jan! But first look at the very first posting in this thread. -------------------------------------- Irrevelant. Look at the subject where you posted: http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/3fdf203a33f7b69f How it all Came Down with Kulacz and Probert Sad to say you expect others to do what YOU refuse to do. Myrl Jeffcoat is doing her typical Snake-oil Doublespeak: Claiming her fear that "t someone who is unable to discern the difference between a vaccine and a drug " and then claiming that vaccines aren't drugs! When caught in her lies ... she just lies some more! From: Myrl Jeffcoat Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:39 pm Subject: Re: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths It's a tad frightening that someone who is unable to discern the difference between a vaccine and a drug attempts to write with such authority. It certainly makes one wonder about the credentials of the author of the article doesn't it! From: Myrl Jeffcoat Date: June 15, 2008 8:11 pm I have never said that vaccines weren't drugs. > Myrl Jeffcoat is doing her typical Snake-oil Doublespeak: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I have never said that vaccines weren't drugs. > Myrl Jeffcoat is doing her typical Snake-oil Doublespeak: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I have never said that vaccines weren't drugs. You really are a piece of work Ilena. You are the only one providing snake-oil double speak here. Yes, it is frightening that people actually make vital health decisions based on articles written by people, who write with such authority but apparently know so little. Now, Ilena why don't you provide evidence that I ever said that a vaccine wasn't a drug! You twist, and misconstrue, while pounding the table. You have no science. You have no facts! Your outrageous claims are as ludicrous as the claims made at your Humantics Tea Party, while hawking a "PROVEN CURE FOR SILICONE VICTIMS" Ilena Rosenthal helped huckster this "PROVEN" cure where Dr. Haimes and Weston were doing their thing? Where was the proof in the "proven cure." Had it been approved by the FDA. Where were the studies, and tests surrounding the EFFECTIVENESS, and the SAFETY of the product. Where are the disclosures that disclose what the product consisted of??? Dr. Haimes was reprimanded by Florida, and based on that reprimand, New York yanked his license. Were breast implant victims who attended your tea party, used as GUINEA PIGS? We all want to know! http://w3.health.state.ny.us/opmc/factions.nsf/0/c6ea925f48ab17068525... Physician Name: Leonard Haimes, MD Address: 7300 North Federal Highway Boca Raton, Florida 33487 License Number: 080860 License Type: MD Year of Birth: 1928 Effective Date: 11/16/99 Action: Censure and reprimand Misconduct Description: The Hearing Committee sustained the charge that the physician was disciplined by the Florida State Medical Board for failing to maintain accurate medical records. Based on the reprimand from Florida, New York yanked his license. http://w3.health.state.ny.us/opmc/factions.nsf/0/c6ea925f48ab17068525... "Myrl" <wisgroup_leader@yahoo.com> Wrote nothing but off-topic. > "Myrl" <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> > > Wrote nothing but off-topic. Jan - Please feel free to killfile me! > "Myrl" <wisgroup_leader@yahoo.com> > Wrote nothing but off-topic again. Myrl Jeffcoat demands: "Now, Ilena why don't you provide evidence that I ever said that a vaccine wasn't a drug!" Jun 16, 5:11 am And then shuffles and embarasses herself further, by pretending she didn't say this, which I have quoted already several times. She claims she can 'discern the difference between a vaccine and a drug' ... From: Myrl Jeffcoat Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:39 pm Subject: Re: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths It's a tad frightening that someone who is unable to discern the difference between a vaccine and a drug attempts to write with such authority. It certainly makes one wonder about the credentials of the author of the article doesn't it! > Myrl Jeffcoat demands: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > authority. It certainly makes one wonder about the credentials of the > author of the article doesn't it! You continue to whine about this Ilena, and spin, dodge, and divert. But, you still have not provided evidence that I have said that vaccines are not drugs. Put up - or shut up! Myrl Jeffcoat demands: "Now, Ilena why don't you provide evidence that I ever said that a vaccine wasn't a drug!" Jun 16, 5:11 am And then shuffles and embarasses herself further, by pretending she didn't say this, which I have quoted already several times. She claims she can 'discern the difference between a vaccine and a drug' ... From: Myrl Jeffcoat Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:39 pm Subject: Re: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths It's a tad frightening that someone who is unable to discern the difference between a vaccine and a drug attempts to write with such authority. It certainly makes one wonder about the credentials of the author of the article doesn't it! > Myrl Jeffcoat demands: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > authority. It certainly makes one wonder about the credentials of the > author of the article doesn't it! Thank you for continuing to post Ilena. It shows just how thick headed you are. Please provide proof that I ever said that vaccines are not drugs! Web Results 1 - 10 of about 619,000 for Tamiflu Vaccine. (0.25 seconds) Myrl Jeffcoat demands: "Now, Ilena why don't you provide evidence that I ever said that a vaccine wasn't a drug!" Jun 16, 5:11 am And then shuffles and embarasses herself further, by pretending she didn't say this, which I have quoted already several times. She claims she can 'discern the difference between a vaccine and a drug' ... " the difference between a vaccine and a drug " Myrl means that they are different things. Your silicone shuffle is not nearly as adorable as you think you are. YoU lied again, you got caught again ... and now you are making up a bunch of (to use Coleah's words) CRAP. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah.htm From: Myrl Jeffcoat Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:39 pm Subject: Re: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths It's a tad frightening that someone who is unable to discern the difference between a vaccine and a drug attempts to write with such authority. It certainly makes one wonder about the credentials of the author of the article doesn't it! > Myrl Jeffcoat demands: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > as you think you are. YoU lied again, you got caught again ... and now > you are making up a bunch of (to use Coleah's words) While your are jumping up and down and beating your own chest Ilena - please provide evidence that I ever said that a vaccine wasn't a drug! And yes, as I stated before vaccines are likely drugs - but of course not all drugs are vaccines! > Myrl Jeffcoat demands: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > authority. It certainly makes one wonder about the credentials of the > author of the article doesn't it! Which was in reply to her gang member, Peter Bowditch. Myrl Jeffcoat demands: "Now, Ilena why don't you provide evidence that I ever said that a vaccine wasn't a drug!" Jun 16, 5:11 am And then shuffles and embarasses herself further, by pretending she didn't say this, which I have quoted already several times. She claims she can 'discern the difference between a vaccine and a drug' ... " the difference between a vaccine and a drug " Myrl means that they are different things. Your silicone shuffle is not nearly as adorable as you think you are. YoU lied again, you got caught again ... and now you are making up a bunch of (to use Coleah's words) CRAP. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah.htm From: Myrl Jeffcoat Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:39 pm Subject: Re: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths It's a tad frightening that someone who is unable to discern the difference between a vaccine and a drug attempts to write with such authority. It certainly makes one wonder about the credentials of the author of the article doesn't it! > " the difference between a vaccine and a drug " Myrl means that they > are different things. That's correct Ilena - I mean that vaccines and drugs are different things. However, vaccines are most likely drugs - but not all drugs are vaccines. You aren't having issues comprehending that are you? Tamiflu is a drug! The title of David Gutierrez's article, "Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths" isn't really accurate. And it lends to the lack of credibility of the "experts" in the alternative field. |
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