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Ilena Rose - 13 Jun 2008 00:30 GMT Mark S Probert, Snake-oil Vigilante and disbarred attorney .... makes a typical Propaganda comment 180 degrees representing my beliefs.
> Even Ilena regrets doing it. I've had little time lately for Usenet Wars ... and I frankly was even a bit shocked that Mark would be so stupid yet AGAIN to lie about me.
What level of chutzpah has Probert to claim to speak for me about anything ... he one of the several med device flacks joined at the pocketbooks with my 3 losing plaintiffs?
Stephen Barrett, Terry "Vera Teasdale" Polevoy, and Christopher Grell, waged and lost a SLAPP suit and smear campaign against me (and several others).
After this SLAPP suit was filed against me in late 2000, people like Probert on this list began attacking me and intruding on every aspect of my life. Probert wore many hats and was intrusive and threatening to my personal safety.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm
Here is the explanatory page I made about him in defense of his constant attacks, couldn't with others on this list. Snake-oil Vs Ilena and Probert was one of their military / corporate apologists. When he angered so many people ... his dark past of being disbarred in 1992 was revealed to me. People on the Snake-oil Team all backed his lies ... they run like a bully pack posse. They named themselves the "rag-tag Posse of Snake-oil Vigilantes" ... and listed are Barrett and Probert and Paul Lee and others of this professional group .. selling the Quackwatch / Vaccination / Med Device / Chemical Industry viewpoint as 'science.'
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/PropagandistProbert.html
Probert had spent years playing the game as the regular Joe, just on the internet to help his 2 kids and his schoolteacher wife. He used their names, their disabilities, their lives, to convince people how great Medtronic is ... and how wonderful are vaccinations, amalgam, and various chemicals etc.
He made this absurd claim about me ... and I will speak for myself. My regret is that I waited for several years into Probert and Barrett's attacks on me to let her know directly how it was affecting my life and my family.
As I have said many timses, I regret I waited so long. After he donned the disguise of "Marla" and wasted much of my valuable time trying to infiltrate my international support group ... I should have contacted her immediately. I waited until Probert called my home / office and threatened me. I hung up immediately.
It was after that threat, that I wrote the wife that Probert had publicly discussed on the newsgroups.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SandraProbert.htm
> Even Ilena regrets doing it. On Jun 12, 5:40 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hardly, but, you would not understand the difference. However, one > point, I do not reference anyone's family, as you have mine.
> Even Ilena regrets doing it. To Mark ... you are wrong about vaccinations, wrong about MCS, wrong about me ... and wrong to cause the harm in the lives of men and women far better people than you.
Bedbackwards - 13 Jun 2008 03:05 GMT > I've had little time lately for Usenet Wars ... and I frankly was even > a bit shocked that Mark would be so stupid yet AGAIN to lie about me. It would appear to me, that he has not (mentally) returned from Vietnam. He is in the deny, deny, deny stage as if alternative medicine and those that support pro choice in medical care are "the enemy," and it is his job to attack the enemy even if it means "cross dressing" as a woman to do it.
He falsely accuses others of stalking him, when in fact, that is exactly what he is doing. He is well connected to private investigators for the work that he does - all over the country and the world. Makes you wonder if the private investigator you say that came looking for you wasn't one of "Probert's men?"
I heard some interesting comments about the Canadian goose while I was away. One of the places we stopped at had alternative health fair going on; never have been seen before in that part of the country, one of the people finally asked me if I was with Quackwatch --- I never dying laughing.....absolutely not!
Mark Probert - 13 Jun 2008 14:27 GMT > Mark S Probert, Snake-oil Vigilante and disbarred attorney .... makes
> > Hardly, but, you would not understand the difference. However, one > > point, I do not reference anyone's family, as you have mine. > > Even Ilena regrets doing it. > > To Mark ... you are wrong Ilena, did you not make up a webpage exclusively about my wife and children and then withdraw it when my wife answered you?
That sure sounds like regret to me.
Myrl - 13 Jun 2008 14:56 GMT > > Mark S Probert, Snake-oil Vigilante and disbarred attorney .... makes > > > Hardly, but, you would not understand the difference. However, one [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That sure sounds like regret to me. Mark - Ilena's webpage "devoted" to your wife still exists to this day on her non-profit website. It has morphed slightly over the years, but not much. Still the same abusive drivel as always:
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/sandraprobert.htm
Bedbackwards - 13 Jun 2008 18:37 GMT > Mark - Ilena's webpage "devoted" to your wife still exists to this day > on her non-profit website. It has morphed slightly over the years, > but not much. Still the same abusive drivel as always: > > http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/sandraprobert.htm Actually, Myrl. I think you and Coleah might wish to step out of harms way, and not be so supportive of Quackwatch and Polevoy, but that is entirely your choice. There is other litigation going on around here, and I would hate for you two to be pulled into other litigations because of your obvious support. I am trying to help you here. I know both of you do not support computer hacking, violations of HIPA, stalking, telephone tampering, electronic stalking, and the like, and I know that both of you have not participated in this. Neither of you are that kind.
It is my opinion, but it would appear that the two of you have been used.
Myrl - 13 Jun 2008 20:36 GMT > > Mark - Ilena's webpage "devoted" to your wife still exists to this day > > on her non-profit website. It has morphed slightly over the years, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > around here, and I would hate for you two to be pulled into other > litigations because of your obvious support. Here's the thing Debbee, I have never reacted well to scare tactics and threats which have been lopped my way. You ought to understand that full well, having such a high regard for free speech and all. I've had folks contact my employers to try to harm me. I've had folks threaten me simply because THEY THOUGHT I was aligned with some boogey man cartel, etc.
Personally, I think the care should come from those that blindly go around shooting their mouths off like loaded guns, with very poor aim.
Bedbackwards - 14 Jun 2008 19:41 GMT > Here's the thing Debbee, I have never reacted well to scare tactics > and threats which have been lopped my way. You ought to understand [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Personally, I think the care should come from those that blindly go > around shooting their mouths off like loaded guns, with very poor aim. Here's the thing, Myrl, why don't you ask your best friend, Vera Teasdale, about a guy by the name of Alan Baratz. I'm sure if your best buddy Vera cannot give you the scoop, then one of your other buddies here either Probert or Bowditch can fill you in. My computer has two operating systems---MAC and Windows.
On 5/30/08 at 18:58:58:280 - a TCP packet heading for Akamai Technologies was sent from my computer (the windows side). This was the very day I had the new computer returned from where it had been worked on and the Clearwire modem set up, with the new router.
This was the very day that the modem, and router were hacked in again but much earlier in the day.
Then, in case you cannot get your buddies here to tell you who Alan Baratz is, why not ask Bobbie Baratz, some kind of dentist connected to Quackwatch....
And in case they won't tell you. Alan Baratz is the CEO of Akamai Technologies in Massachussetts. He was the former president of Sun Microsystems Java Scripts Division. There were a lot of scripts being run in my last computer, and a lot of Sun Microsystem software that I didn't put in there. The same thing would appear to be happening in my new computer.
Why am I pissed off? I have every right to be. I didn't purchase my computers to act as servers for what appears to be QW work. Perhaps you can convey this message to your friends at Quackwatch that my computer, my telephones, my life are not their business--they are mine and not be used as theirs.
Those mega pages of information off my firewall are very entertaining. My computer is presently gone. I attempted to use my old dial computer but I haven't been able to get on line either. Perhaps you can convey to your friends that my computers are off limits to and that my employer would really like me to come back to work. However, since I work from home, and it would appear that my access has been cut off, it is not possible.
Thank you Myrl, I know you will be able to convey the message.
Myrl - 14 Jun 2008 21:11 GMT Here's the thing Debbee - I have never had a conversation or a corresponded with Steve Barrett, I really don't know Polevoy either. You alude that my friends are a lot of folks. But you are being irresponsible in your claims.
I have no idea what is going on with your computer, but if anything is at all, I certainly hope you can get it straightened out, and discontinue blindly blaming innocent people for your problems. I don't plan on conveying any message with folks I don't speak with, about a third party they may not know, since I've not seen them post on newsgroups!
If you think they are messin' with your computer - than call them on your dime.
> > Here's the thing Debbee, I have never reacted well to scare tactics > > and threats which have been lopped my way. You ought to understand [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Thank you Myrl, I know you will be able to convey the message. Bedbackwards - 14 Jun 2008 21:24 GMT > Here's the thing Debbee - I have never had a conversation or a > corresponded with Steve Barrett, I really don't know Polevoy either. > You alude that my friends are a lot of folks. But you are being > irresponsible in your claims. However, I can bet you and Coleah have had emails with him, right?
I'm not being irresponsible with my claims.
Myrl - 14 Jun 2008 21:33 GMT > On Jun 14, 1:11 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:> Here's the thing Debbee - I have never had a conversation or a > > corresponded with Steve Barrett, I really don't know Polevoy either. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'm not being irresponsible with my claims. I have no such emails! As I have said numerous times on this newsgroups, I don't agree with all of Quackwatch's targets, but I agree with many of them. I have used Chiropractic treatments with success, and have a dear friend who has been helped significantly by accupuncture.
However, I am grateful Quackwatch exists, because if it didn't, the snake oil salesmen would run rampant with their fraudulent scams. I find that many alti-med folks rather than presenting reliable science to back their claims, will attempt to shout down their opponents with the "health freedom" mantra instead.
Jan Drew - 15 Jun 2008 02:51 GMT On Jun 14, 1:24 pm, Bedbackwards <bedbackward...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 14, 1:11 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:> Here's the > thing Debbee - I have never had a conversation or a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I'm not being irresponsible with my claims. I have no such emails! As I have said numerous times on this newsgroups, I don't agree with all of Quackwatch's targets, but I agree with many of them. I have used Chiropractic treatments with success, and have a dear friend who has been helped significantly by accupuncture.
However, I am grateful Quackwatch exists, because if it didn't, the snake oil salesmen would run rampant with their fraudulent scams. I find that many alti-med folks rather than presenting reliable science to back their claims, will attempt to shout down their opponents with the "health freedom" mantra instead.
http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p182.htm#quack
Mark Probert - 16 Jun 2008 14:09 GMT > On Jun 14, 1:11 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:> Here's the thing Debbee - I have never had a conversation or a > > corresponded with Steve Barrett, I really don't know Polevoy either. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'm not being irresponsible with my claims. Sure you are. You claim I am affiliated with QuackWatch, etc. You do not have a shred of proof of that assertion. Not one.
D. C. Sessions - 16 Jun 2008 14:24 GMT >> On Jun 14, 1:11 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:> Here's the thing Debbee - I have never had a conversation or a >> > corresponded with Steve Barrett, I really don't know Polevoy either. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Sure you are. You claim I am affiliated with QuackWatch, etc. You do > not have a shred of proof of that assertion. Not one. Mark, Mark, Mark -- you're still hung up on that "proof of assertion" thing. Please check the "newsgroups:" line.
| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Bedbackwards - 16 Jun 2008 23:13 GMT > Mark, Mark, Mark -- you're still hung up on that "proof > of assertion" thing. Please check the "newsgroups:" line. > > -- I guess that would mean his dislike for alternative healthcare treatments.
Sorry I'm so late in making return posts, but I spent the week end in ER. Yes, I was "seen" in two conventional locations ----and I can admit to that!!! I submitted to a Doppler (no blood clots), and EKG (normal), Xrays, and I'm heading for a MRI on Wednesday. Shhhh....don't tell the conventional supporters here!
Dont' like my posts, take it up with Comcast.......
Coleah - 17 Jun 2008 05:47 GMT > > Mark, Mark, Mark -- you're still hung up on that "proof > > of assertion" thing. Please check the "newsgroups:" line. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Dont' like my posts, take it up with Comcast....... What happened to you? What symptoms were you having? It sounds serious. Heart problem?
Bedbackwards - 16 Jun 2008 22:32 GMT > Sure you are. You claim I am affiliated with QuackWatch, etc. You do > not have a shred of proof of that assertion. Not one. Well, I read it on the internet --that's where the information came from. Are you telling me that the information on the internet is wrong?
By the way, there are two Jan Drews. The original one, and a phony one. The phony one infitrated my alternative health care discussion mailing list group, and replaced the name with the original Jan Drew. Just saw it today when I was going back through some emails. There is also a phony ILENA, and the original ILENA. The phony one also infiltrated themselves with our email group. Even Andrew Langer stated when I spoke with him that he had made a phony one because he was already in negotiations with the real one and knew I didn't want to be involved during the peace negotiations.
Due to all of this hacking, and cracking of modems, and routers, etc., I filed a complaint last week with a federal agency, as it would appear that are things going on here with break-ins to people's computer systems with regard to this newsgroup that need to be monitored.
Mark Probert - 17 Jun 2008 14:41 GMT > > Sure you are. You claim I am affiliated with QuackWatch, etc. You do > > not have a shred of proof of that assertion. Not one. > > Well, I read it on the internet And failed to apply any critical thinking skills. Do you believe everything you read on the internet? People, such as yourself, make unfounded claims about others, just to dicredit them. Like you do.
--that's where the information came
> from. > Are you telling me that the information on the internet is wrong? There is a lot that is wrong.
> By the way, there are two Jan Drews. The original one, and a phony > one. The phony one infitrated my alternative health care discussion [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > was already in negotiations with the real one and knew I didn't want > to be involved during the peace negotiations. Care to actually document any of that? Message headers with NNTP posting hosts, or IP addresses will do just fine.
> Due to all of this hacking, and cracking of modems, and routers, etc., > I filed a complaint last week with a federal agency, as it would > appear that are things going on here with break-ins to people's > computer systems with regard to this newsgroup that need to be > monitored. Figgers.
D. C. Sessions - 15 Jun 2008 00:26 GMT > I have no idea what is going on with your computer, but if anything is > at all, I certainly hope you can get it straightened out, and > discontinue blindly blaming innocent people for your problems. I > don't plan on conveying any message with folks I don't speak with, > about a third party they may not know, since I've not seen them post > on newsgroups! That would take all the fun out of it, though.
| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Coleah - 15 Jun 2008 00:32 GMT > > Here's the thing Debbee, I have never reacted well to scare tactics > > and threats which have been lopped my way. You ought to understand [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Baratz is, why not ask Bobbie Baratz, some kind of dentist connected > to Quackwatch.... ---------------------------------
> And in case they won't tell you. Alan Baratz is the CEO of Akamai > Technologies in Massachussetts. He was the former president of Sun > Microsystems Java Scripts Division. There were a lot of scripts being > run in my last computer, and a lot of Sun Microsystem software that I > didn't put in there. The same thing would appear to be happening in > my new computer. What little I know of Robert S. Bartz is from reading this newsgroup. (Something to do with Bolen and testimony in some lawsuit.)
RE: Alan Bartz The Cambridge, Massachusetts company website says Paul Sagan has been the President/CEO since 2005? http://www.akamai.com/html/about/management_team.html
So you are suggesting that this Alan Bartz who hasn't worked at this compan for 3 yrs has someone at the Akamai company doing this to you? Why you? I don’t get that at all.
Please don’t think Myrl or I have ever had communication with anyone regarding these reported hackings you say has been going on. Get to the bottom of it. Do what you need to do so you can get on with your life. I can appreciate that you are upset, but please don't fire shots in the dark toward me. I do not deserve it.
> Why am I pissed off? I have every right to be. I didn't purchase my > computers to act as servers for what appears to be QW work. Perhaps [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Thank you Myrl, I know you will be able to convey the message. Bedbackwards - 16 Jun 2008 23:01 GMT That one item is from the pages and pages of pages of a log from my firewall off of the Windows side of my computer. I have two operating systems. I have no idea of why that kind of information would be in my computer. But it would appear to be acting like a server.
So, it make all of this easier, I filed a complaint with a federal agency and gave them the information about this newsgroup. It would appear based on information I have received that someone connected with this newsgroup feels that they have the right to monitor everything I say and do in my personal life.
Someone is hacking this computer. Someone hacked every computer and system that I have had since 1997. When a connection was made last month to a probable connection between QW and the stalking that has gone on with me since 1997 to present, and that the private investigator that was in my former neighborhood, was connected to QW, with a little help from "security" and knowing who was probably involved in this, after seeing a variety of things in my computer, (others witnessed these as well), it would appear that individuals connected to this newsgroup were connected to the Paul Revere and the Raiders lawsuits as well. I'm not the only one that has had their computers hacked into, not the only one that has had their telephone lines compromised, but recently, I've learned that a present "Raider" has had his van broken into.
It is the stalking that is disturbing. Those lawsuits were well over a long time ago. As with my lawsuit, I'm sure the plaintiffs have gone on with their lives, as well as I have. It is a very eery feeling to know that someone (or someones) have to constantly bring up information from those lawsuits. Take Andrew Kingoff's obsessed interest with information he claims that I lied about. I didn't lie about anything. I know what member of QW that Kingoff is connected with, and I do not know why he has gone out of his way to lie about things I said in the lawsuit. Everything I wrote could be proven. The former attorneys for that lawsuit still have all of the documentation. I should have been sued separately but I was sued with another fan. Some of the stuff she wrote was not cool (in my opinion). But no one owns "the rights" to that lawsuit to ensure the enforcement. Not once during the lawsuit did we ever see the plaintiffs even though the Judge ordered them to be there on one occasion. I do, however know the connection between the plaintiffs attorney and another party. So if someone else really did pay for the attorney fees in that lawsuit, and not the plaintiffs themselves, that's entirely too bad, and has nothing to do with me.
How the information got put in my computer about Baratz family member is also disturbing. It was equally as disturbing to find information about others that post to this newsgroup in the old computer, for which you, Coleah, were part of the information found in the old computer, and your connection to Dr. Terry Polevoy. That was very disturbing.
Now, you will be able to understand why I filed a complaint with a federal agency with regard to this newsgroup.
Thank you.
Don't like the post....take it up with Comcast, their wireless subscriber need not be in my house.
Peter Bowditch - 17 Jun 2008 02:10 GMT >That one item is from the pages and pages of pages of a log from my >firewall off of the Windows side of my computer. I have two operating [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >Don't like the post....take it up with Comcast, their wireless >subscriber need not be in my house. Wow! Classic paranoid meltdown.
A couple of questions - if you aren't the Debbee Adams who was involved in the Mark Lindsey matter, why do you mention it, and if someone at Comcast is writing what seems to come from you why does s/h/it reveal the secret?
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Mark Thorson - 17 Jun 2008 02:52 GMT > >How the information got put in my computer about Baratz family member > >is also disturbing. It was equally as disturbing to find information [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Wow! Classic paranoid meltdown. Yes, the paranoia gas introduced into the ventilation system of her living space by Department 3 is working very well. Now, if we can just get her forcibly committed to one of the mental institutions that our seniors control, she'll be injected with powerful anti-schizophrenia drugs and we'll never hear from her again.
The Plan is working perfectly. Except for the part about Special Agent Drew still running the obsolete HUMINT 7.5 spyware. Isn't there anybody who can get her to upgrade to the current version?
Bedbackwards - 17 Jun 2008 04:02 GMT > Wow! Classic paranoid meltdown. I'm not paranoid in the slightest. That is what you would want people to think. I don't think that way at all. I just want the use of my computer back.
In fact, this will be my last post here, all of you that go out of your way to make trouble for alternative healthcare supporters, you can have it all to yourselves.
Since it would appear that all of the problems are here within people in this newsgroup not wanting to allow for a real discussion of alternative health therapies without the loop group it would appear absolutely fruitless to even stay here and attempt to discuss without the usual a.sholes disrupting the flow of discussion yourself included Peter Bowditch.
Many people have simply turned their heads and walked away. It is a good time for me to do the same.
If people weren't so paranoid in this newsgroup about alternative health therapies and those doctors who do great work, then there would be no need to hack, attack, and crack those that support pro choice. If the anti-alternative supporters weren't so paranoid about researchers doing research for medical cases, then there would be no need for people to attempt to break into computers, hand out viruses, and attempt to see what people are writing.
As far as the lawsuit that Andrew Kingoff kept bringing up, it would appear that the information I obtained in Tulsa, OK was correct. Otherwise the need to monitor me, and harass me, in my former neighborhood, by Nosek Investigations would not have continued. I know that the former plaintiffs had nothing to do with that, but it would appear that a doctor that stalks women may know something about that, why not ask him, and leave me out?
Good luck to all of you.
P.S. And if you don't like the posts from this account, you will have to find out the name on the accounts that the Comcast subscribers are that would appear to be the ones causing the problems in the neighborhood, as law enforcement and Comcast themselves say, they are the responsible parties for any lawsuits.
Coleah - 17 Jun 2008 05:44 GMT (snip)
> How the information got put in my computer about Baratz family member > is also disturbing. It was equally as disturbing to find information > about others that post to this newsgroup in the old computer, for > which you, Coleah, were part of the information found in the old > computer, and your connection to Dr. Terry Polevoy. That was very > disturbing. Please be more specific. Are you saying that on your old computer was some sort of information that you don't know how it got there, which mentioned my name and something about 'my' connection to Polevoy? I would really like to know exactly what the text of that was. Was this text in some 'email' on your old system or some other kind of file on your hard drive?
> Now, you will be able to understand why I filed a complaint with a > federal agency with regard to this newsgroup. Well I can appreciate that you are upset and filing a complaint will hopefully get to the bottom of all this. Some of your statements are confusing to me and difficult to follow.
> Thank you. > > Don't like the post....take it up with Comcast, their wireless > subscriber need not be in my house. Richard Schultz - 15 Jun 2008 05:40 GMT : I've had folks contact my employers to try to harm me. So have I. I wonder why it's only skeptics that that happens to?
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
Mark Probert - 16 Jun 2008 14:13 GMT > In article <6d3015f8-c3a8-45f1-b4ed-4ae1dd377...@g16g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > : I've had folks contact my employers to try to harm me. > > So have I. I wonder why it's only skeptics that that happens to? As far as I know it does. The alties seem to have one thing in common: theyhide their employment (if any).
Bedbackwards - 16 Jun 2008 22:35 GMT > As far as I know it does. The alties seem to have one thing in common: > theyhide their employment (if any). Is it anyone's business where anyone works? Not at all. The least amount of personal information you put out on the net is always the best. This is an alternative health newsgroup, not an employment line.
Mark Probert - 17 Jun 2008 14:43 GMT > > As far as I know it does. The alties seem to have one thing in common: > > theyhide their employment (if any). > > Is it anyone's business where anyone works? Not at all. The least > amount of personal information you put out on the net is always the > best. This is an alternative health newsgroup, not an employment line. Interesting you say that. It seems that were anyone who questions Evidence-Less Medicine is given a 3rd degree, and you give yourself, and your ilk, a free pass.
If you did not have double standards, you would not have any standards at all.
Coleah - 13 Jun 2008 22:20 GMT > > Mark - Ilena's webpage "devoted" to your wife still exists to this day > > on her non-profit website. It has morphed slightly over the years, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > It is my opinion, but it would appear that the two of you have been > used. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yes, I was aware of another litigation. I didn't realize things had gotten geared up already. I don't understand the generalized 'so supportive' remark....as in so supportive of ... 'what' exactly ? No, I do not feel used by anyone, Deb.
I am looking forward to you sharing about the mystery being solved as to who/what/where and why of all the hacking, etc. I think most everyone reading here is also. So please share more. I haven't been able to follow your posts about companies on the east coast attacking your firewall, and something about level 3 something or another. I hope it gets resolved quickly.
Jan Drew - 15 Jun 2008 02:38 GMT On Jun 13, 6:56 am, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mark - Ilena's webpage "devoted" to your wife still exists to this day > on her non-profit website. It has morphed slightly over the years, > but not much. Still the same abusive drivel as always: > > http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/sandraprobert.htm Actually, Myrl. I think you and Coleah might wish to step out of harms way, and not be so supportive of Quackwatch and Polevoy, but that is entirely your choice. There is other litigation going on around here, and I would hate for you two to be pulled into other litigations because of your obvious support. I am trying to help you here. I know both of you do not support computer hacking, violations of HIPA, stalking, telephone tampering, electronic stalking, and the like, and I know that both of you have not participated in this. Neither of you are that kind. -------------------------------
And--you know this how? Buttering up the the well known *gang* members??
It is my opinion, but it would appear that the two of you have been used. ------
*would appear*
ZZzz.
Jan Drew - 15 Jun 2008 02:34 GMT On Jun 13, 6:27 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 12, 7:30 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > That sure sounds like regret to me. Mark - Ilena's webpage "devoted" to your wife still exists to this day on her non-profit website. It has morphed slightly over the years, but not much. Still the same abusive drivel as always:
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/sandraprobert.htm
Myrl Jeffcoat would like to sugest that peace be made between Debbee and I.
However, she is a hypocrite when it comes to herself and IIena.
Myrl - 15 Jun 2008 02:54 GMT What a friend Jan Drew has in Jesus! However, when she finally gets to Heaven (if that's where she ultimately ends up), I think she will find that Jesus is royally pissed.
Coleah - 15 Jun 2008 04:27 GMT > What a friend Jan Drew has in Jesus! However, when she finally gets > to Heaven (if that's where she ultimately ends up), I think she will > find that Jesus is royally pissed. I think He makes exceptions for the ones with severe, untreated mental illness.
Jan Drew - 15 Jun 2008 07:28 GMT >untreated mental illness.
>Screw you Ilena. >Screw you too, Jan. >What an a.s! >I get it now.....you mean like the one you are trying to shine up my a.s with your nonsensical comments?
>give a rats a.s about you >That's if you can pull your head out of your a.s long enough. >Oh F*ck You...... >The FACT is that ALL the pages on your website were going up and down and not responding, giving error messages. Stick it up your fat hairy a.s, Ilena.....you drama queen.
While IIean is laid up f***king every Tom Dick and Mary.
And you F*cked Up Fraudulena are an Ungrateful, Selfish, Short-Memoried MFing Bitch. A USER to the enth degree. You are absolutely unforgivable.
posts all names, addresses and phone numbers of innocent provate people she falsely thought were my neighbors.
Hey Ilena.....'go f.ck yourself' !*
*Shut the f.ck up, Jan.*
*How quickly she forgets if you f.ck with the bull, you're going to get the horn....all bets are off.*
What the f*ck of? From: "Coleah" col...@comcast.net
>>Learn some DIGNITY and GRACE.
>Ilena you are indeed a P I G.
>DIGNITY fell in the TOILET again...
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In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my
> opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my > opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my [quoted text clipped - 255 lines] > opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my > opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, Coleah - 15 Jun 2008 18:41 GMT (snip the evil SATjan's library)
Yes, what a friend you have in Jesus!!! Now about that LYING you did regarding where Myrl obstained her facts, which you blatantly presenting to the public as absolute truth......how does it feel to be caught with your snuggies down around you ankles?????? Liar, Liar, pants on fire.
What a piece of work.
Jan Drew - 16 Jun 2008 02:50 GMT > "Coleah" <coleah@pacifier.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 346 lines] >> opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my >> opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, (snip the evil SATjan's library)
Yes, what a friend you have in Jesus!!! Now about that LYING you did regarding where Myrl obstained her facts, which you blatantly presenting to the public as absolute truth......how does it feel to be caught with your snuggies down around you ankles?????? Liar, Liar, pants on fire.
What a piece of work.
Jan Drew - 15 Jun 2008 07:23 GMT Jan Drew - 15 Jun 2008 02:31 GMT On Jun 12, 7:30 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
> Mark S Probert, Snake-oil Vigilante and disbarred attorney .... makes > a typical Propaganda comment 180 degrees representing my beliefs. [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > far better people than you. > Mark S Probert, Snake-oil Vigilante and disbarred attorney .... makes
> > Hardly, but, you would not understand the difference. However, one > > point, I do not reference anyone's family, as you have mine. > > Even Ilena regrets doing it. > > To Mark ... you are wrong Ilena, did you not make up a webpage exclusively about my wife and children and then withdraw it when my wife answered you?
That sure sounds like regret to me.
Jan Drew - 15 Jun 2008 05:48 GMT > On Jun 12, 7:30 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > > That sure sounds like regret to me. Sez you, Marla.
Peter Bowditch - 14 Jun 2008 01:30 GMT >Mark S Probert, Snake-oil Vigilante and disbarred attorney .... makes >a typical Propaganda comment 180 degrees representing my beliefs. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I've had little time lately for Usenet Wars ... and I frankly was even >a bit shocked that Mark would be so stupid yet AGAIN to lie about me. I didn't think that you would ever regret any evil action that you had committed. Thank you for confirming this.
What a piece of sh.t is she, a paragon of motions, how infinite in hypocrisy, how like an arsehole.
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