Infertility can be a devastating problem.  If using acupuncture makes the
person feel better, why would I complain?  I would think that the patient
would be better served with a treatment that actually works, but if she
believes that she is doing everything in her power to solve the problem,
then the psychological benefit of an objectively useless treatment may
be worth it.  What's more interesting is that the website only admits
to the use of acupuncture as a "complementary treatment to IVF," i.e. as
an additional (placebo) treatment to one that works.

In the meantime, if you have so much time to look up the web sites of
Adventist medical schools, why is it that you have never found the time
to read an article that *you* claimed demonstrated the efficacy of
acupuncture (I'm referring specifically to the article that reported the
results of the 2004 osteoarthritis study)?

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Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."

there is nothing on the site that states accupuncture ALONE is used

also no statement that those who get IVF + accupuncture successfully
conceive

ie...offering it means yada

except that maybe this gal needs to pay off her UCLA loans??

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One of the best.  Is a Seventh Day Adventist medical school and hospital.

Manuel goes there .  He is alive and doing well after given only three
months to live.
God had Blessed Manuel.

Thank you, God, in Jesus name I offer these praises.

One wonders if Dr. Watkins has read the paper "The impact of acupuncture on
in vitro fertilization outcome," which is listed as an article in press
in _Fertility and Sterility_, the abstract of which can be found at
http://tinyurl.com/589qw4, and which concludes, "The use of acupuncture in
patients undergoing IVF was not [sic] associated with an increase in PRs
[pregnancy rates] but they were more relaxed and more optimistic."  

I know that you won't.

One wonders if she has read the paper "Acupuncture lowers pregnancy rates
when performed before and after embryo transfer," which appeared in
_Fertility and Sterility_ (vol. 88, p. S40), and which is apparently based
on a paper that was given at the 2007 meeting of the American Society for
Reproductive Medicine (http://tinyurl.com/6zbjr3, paper O-106).

I know that you won't.

One wonders if she has read the paper "Acupuncture and infertility: why
we need to stick to good science," which appeared in _Fertility and
Sterility_ (vol. 85, p. 1359) and the abstract of which
(http://tinyurl.com/65nelf) states, "The research published to date does
not show a definite positive impact of acupuncture on IVF success rates."

I know that you won't.

But I am sure that you will continue to insist that anyone who disagrees
with you is "in denial."

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Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean.  Do you have to salt your
truth so heavily that it does not even quench thirst any more?"