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Hidden Sources Of MSG In Foods

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Tim Campbell - 10 Jun 2008 02:12 GMT
From the book 'Excitotoxins - The Taste That Kills'-
By Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD-

What if someone were to tell you that a chemical (MSG) added to food
could cause brain damage in your children, and that this chemical
could effect how your children's nervous systems formed during
development so that in later years they may have learning or emotional
difficulties?

What if there was scientific evidence that these chemicals could
permanently damage a critical part of the brain known to control
hormones so that later in life your child might have endocrine
problems? How would you feel?

Suppose evidence was presented to you strongly suggesting that the
artificial sweetener in your diet soft drink may cause brain tumors to
develop, and that the number of brain tumors reported since the
introduction of this widespread introduction of this artificial
sweetener has risen dramatically? Would that affect your decision to
drink these products and especially to allow your children to drink
them? What if you could be shown overwhelming evidence that one of the
main ingredients in this sweetener (aspartate) could cause the same
brain lesions as MSG? Would that affect your buying decisions?

And finally, what if it could be demonstrated that all of these types
of chemicals, called excitotoxins, could possibly aggravate or even
precipitate many of today's epidemic neurodegenerative brain diseases
such as Parkinson's disease, Huntington's disease, ALS, and
Alzheimer's disease? Would you be concerned if you knew that these
excitotoxin food additives are a particular risk if you have diabetes,
or have ever had a stroke, brain injury, brain tumor, seizure, or have
suffered from hypertension, meningitis, or viral encephalitis?

Would you also be upset to learn that many of the brain lesions caused
by these products in your children are irreversible and can result
from a SINGLE exposure of these products in sufficient concentration?

How would you feel when you learn the food industry hides and
disguises these excitotoxin additives (MSG and Aspartate) so they
can't be recognized? Incredulous? Enraged? The fact is many foods are
labeled as having "No MSG" but in fact not only contain MSG but also
are laced with other excitotoxins of equal potency and danger.

All of the above are true. And all of these well known brain toxins
are poured into our food and drink by the thousands of tons to boost
sales. These additives have NO OTHER purpose other than to enhance to
TASTE of food and the SWEETNESS of various diet products.

Hidden Sources Of MSG

As discussed previously, the glutamate (MSG) manufacturers and the
processed food industries are always on a quest to disguise the MSG
added to food. Below is a partial list of the most common names for
disguised MSG. Remember also that the powerful excitotoxins, aspartate
and L-cystine, are frequently added to foods and according to FDA
rules require NO LABELING AT ALL.

* Food Additives that ALWAYS contain MSG *

Monosodium Glutamate

Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein

Hydrolyzed Protein

Hydrolyzed Plant Protein

Plant Protein Extract

Sodium Caseinate

Calcium Caseinate

Yeast Extract

Textured Protein (Including TVP)

Autolyzed Yeast

Hydrolyzed Oat Flour

Corn Oil

* Food Additives That FREQUENTLY Contain MSG *

Malt Extract

Malt Flavoring

Bouillon

Broth

Stock

Flavoring

Natural Flavors/Flavoring

Natural Beef Or Chicken Flavoring

Seasoning

Spices

* Food Additives That MAY Contain MSG Or Excitotoxins *

Carrageenan

Enzymes

Soy Protein Concentrate

Soy Protein Isolate

Whey Protein Concentrate

Also: Protease Enzymes of various sources can release excitotoxin
amino acids from food proteins.

Aspartame - An Intense Source Of Excitotoxins

Aspartame is a sweetener made from two amino acids, phenylalanine and
the excitotoxin aspartate. It should be avoided at all costs.
Aspartame complaints accounts for approximately 70% of ALL complaints
to the FDA. It is implicated in everything from blindness to headaches
to convulsions. Sold under dozens of brand names such as NutraSweet
and Equal, aspartame breaks down within 20 minutes at room temperature
into several primary toxic and dangerous ingredients:

1. DKP (diketopiperazine) (When ingested, converts to a near duplicate
of

a powerful brain tumor causing agent)

2. Formic Acid (ant venom)

3. Formaldehyde (embalming fluid)

4. Methanol (causes blindness...extremely dangerous substance)

Common Examples:

Diet soft drinks, sugar free gums, sugar free Kool Aid, Crystal Light,
childrens' medications, and thousands of other products claiming to be
'low calorie', 'diet', or 'sugar free'.

A Final Note...

Dr. Blaylock recounted a meeting with a senior executive in the food
additive industry who told him point blank that these excitotoxins are
going to be in our food no matter how many name changes are
necessary...
Mark Thorson - 10 Jun 2008 02:44 GMT
> From the book 'Excitotoxins - The Taste That Kills'-
> By Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD-
>
> * Food Additives that ALWAYS contain MSG *
>
> Corn Oil

Total baloney.  There's no MSG in corn oil.
MSG is not soluble in any vegetable oil.
If you doubt that, buy some of both and
try to dissolve one in the other.  You can't.

If Blaylock were a competent doctor, he would
know that.  Blaylock is not a reliable source
of information.
Jan Drew - 10 Jun 2008 06:08 GMT
>> From the book 'Excitotoxins - The Taste That Kills'-
>> By Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD-
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Total baloney.

Yours, yes.

Food Additives that ALWAYS contain MSG :

Monosodium Glutamate, Autolyzed Yeast, Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein,
Hydrolyzed Protein, Hydrolyzed Plant Protein, Plant Protein Extract, Sodium
Caseinate, Calcium Caseinate, Yeast Extract, Textured Protein (Including
TVP), Hydrolyzed Oat Flour, Corn Oil

There's no MSG in corn oil.

Blatant lie.
Mark Thorson - 10 Jun 2008 20:28 GMT
> >> From the book 'Excitotoxins - The Taste That Kills'-
> >> By Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD-
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Yours, yes.

You and Blaylock lack a basic knowledge of chemistry.
I can understand how you could lack that knowledge,
but it's hard to see how Blaylock could have gotten
an MD without knowing even a little chemistry.

> Food Additives that ALWAYS contain MSG :
>
> Monosodium Glutamate, Autolyzed Yeast, Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein,
> Hydrolyzed Protein, Hydrolyzed Plant Protein, Plant Protein Extract, Sodium
> Caseinate, Calcium Caseinate, Yeast Extract, Textured Protein (Including
> TVP), Hydrolyzed Oat Flour, Corn Oil

Repeating a falsehood doesn't make it true.
It just shows you don't understand even
the simplest facts about chemistry.

> >There's no MSG in corn oil.
> >
> Blatant lie.

No, it's true.  Salts like MSG will not dissolve
in vegetable oil.  That isn't even first-year chemistry,
it's high school chemistry.  Like in Chapter 1, after
the explanation of solids, liquids, and gases.

If you tried to dissolve MSG in corn oil,
it would all fall to the bottom of the
container.  None of it would dissolve.
Jan Drew - 11 Jun 2008 05:58 GMT
>> Tim Campbell wrote:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>>
> Blatant lie.
Jan Drew - 11 Jun 2008 05:53 GMT
>>> From the book 'Excitotoxins - The Taste That Kills'-
>>> By Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD-
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>>
> Blatant lie.
JOHN - 10 Jun 2008 08:23 GMT
> If Blaylock were a competent doctor, he would
> know that.  Blaylock is not a reliable source
> of information.

Pharma talk http://whale.to/a/blaylock_h.html
D. C. Sessions - 11 Jun 2008 03:07 GMT
>> If Blaylock were a competent doctor, he would
>> know that.  Blaylock is not a reliable source
>> of information.
>
> Pharma talk http://whale.to/a/blaylock_h.html

Which has -- what? -- to do with the solubility of
MSG in oil?  It's certainly an easy test to perform,
even in a kitchen.  Anyone of even moderate intelligence
can perform it.  Assuming, of course, that they have any
regard at all for the truth.

So which of those two prerequisites do you lack?

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Jan Drew - 11 Jun 2008 06:04 GMT
>> If Blaylock were a competent doctor, he would
>> know that.  Blaylock is not a reliable source
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Which has -- what? -- to do with the solubility of
> MSG in oil?

Duh, has to do with Mark Thorson your buddy another semiconductor polluter
like you--misleading information.
Richard Schultz - 11 Jun 2008 06:24 GMT
In misc.health.alternative D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

: Which has -- what? -- to do with the solubility of
: MSG in oil?  It's certainly an easy test to perform,
: even in a kitchen.  Anyone of even moderate intelligence
: can perform it.  Assuming, of course, that they have any
: regard at all for the truth.

I doubt that the average person has the equipment necessary to perform
an accurate measure of the solubility of MSG in oil available to him
in his kitchen.

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."
D. C. Sessions - 12 Jun 2008 02:47 GMT
> I doubt that the average person has the equipment necessary to perform
> an accurate measure of the solubility of MSG in oil available to him
> in his kitchen.

They have the equipment to place a reasonable upper bound
on it.

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Richard Schultz - 12 Jun 2008 05:50 GMT
:> I doubt that the average person has the equipment necessary to perform
:> an accurate measure of the solubility of MSG in oil available to him
:> in his kitchen.
:
: They have the equipment to place a reasonable upper bound on it.

If it's as insoluble as I think it is, I find that a bit hard to believe.
I'm guessing that the amount of MSG that can be dissolved in the largest
vessel found in the typical kitchen will be less than that can be measured
by the scale typically found in a kitchen, which has a sensitivity of on
the order of 10g.  "Zero" is a reasonable lower bound, but not a reasonable
upper bound.

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."
D. C. Sessions - 12 Jun 2008 12:01 GMT
> :> I doubt that the average person has the equipment necessary to perform
> :> an accurate measure of the solubility of MSG in oil available to him
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> the order of 10g.  "Zero" is a reasonable lower bound, but not a reasonable
> upper bound.

Huh?  Using kitchen equipment I can measure out (for
the sake of discussion) 30 g.  I can divide that easily
by two, then two again, and so on down to one gram
trivially; it's not like that's a small volume of material.
(Actually, using US kitchen equipment I can get an 1/8 tsp
volume trivially easily and figure the mass later.)

If that won't dissolve in the liter of oil, I have an upper
bound of 1 g/l on solubility.  Could, of course, be lower
but it's guaranteed to not be higher.

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Richard Schultz - 12 Jun 2008 12:19 GMT
: If that won't dissolve in the liter of oil, I have an upper
: bound of 1 g/l on solubility.  Could, of course, be lower
: but it's guaranteed to not be higher.

That's an upper bound, but it's not what I'd call a "reasonable" upper
bound since it's at least two orders of magnitude higher than the actual
solubility.  I guess doing research involving solutions of 100 mg/L or less
accustoms one to thinking that 1 g/L is a "highly" concenctrated solution
(especially since the solutions I'm talking about involve complexes of
molecular weights of several hundred g/mol).

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."
D. C. Sessions - 12 Jun 2008 12:57 GMT
> : If that won't dissolve in the liter of oil, I have an upper
> : bound of 1 g/l on solubility.  Could, of course, be lower
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> (especially since the solutions I'm talking about involve complexes of
> molecular weights of several hundred g/mol).

Well, sure -- but consider the audience.  That kind of
crude kitchen chemistry is pretty exotic in context.

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Peter Bowditch - 11 Jun 2008 07:20 GMT
>What if someone were to tell you that a chemical (MSG) added to food
>could cause brain damage in your children,

I would immediately stop eating pizza, because several of the standard
ingredients are very high in natural MSG.

<snip remaining scaremongering from someone who couldn't even give the
correct name of the place where he supposedly worked>

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D. C. Sessions - 12 Jun 2008 02:49 GMT
>>What if someone were to tell you that a chemical (MSG) added to food
>>could cause brain damage in your children,
>
> I would immediately stop eating pizza, because several of the standard
> ingredients are very high in natural MSG.

Peter, you ignorant slut, that is *natural* MSG.
It's harmless, of course -- it's the *artificial* MSG
that kills.

| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+
Jan Drew - 12 Jun 2008 06:52 GMT
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[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
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