These comments by an M.D. raise deeply troubling questions about the
vaccinations which we have
all been indoctrinated to take for granted.
The only reason I began to investigate this
was that I simply turned the arguments that
were being made against Homeopathy
against standard medicine
and started applying them to Vaccines
and other accepted standard medical practices.''
To my surprise, certain standard medical practices
do not end up looking tool good when an objective
and entirely systemic analysis of them is made
as opposed to the "draw the line in the sand"
hypnotize the chicken mind shrinking statistics
that were all taught to respect. Focus your
mind HERE on this grain of sand and never mind
the beach and ocean, eh!!
"However the vaccines act inside the human body, true natural immunity
or any other qualitative benefit cannot be ascribed to them: their
effectiveness is a mere statistic, and the resulting "immunity" a
narrowly defined technicality."---Richard Moskowitz, M.D.(Vaccination:
A Sacrament of Modern Medicine)
Intriguing comments from an anti-Vaccination M.D.
can be found at THIS link:
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/moskowitz.html
''Vaccines have become sacraments of our faith in biotechnology in the
sense that 1) their efficacy and safety are widely seen as self-
evident and needing no further proof; 2) they are given automatically
to everyone, by force if necessary, but always in the name of the
public good; and 3) they ritually initiate our loyal participation in
the medical enterprise as a whole. They celebrate our right and power
as a civilization to manipulate biological processes ad libitum and
for profit, without undue concern for or even any explicit concept of
the total health of the populations about to be subjected to them."---
Richard Moskowitz M.D. http://www.healthy.net/library/articles/moskowitz/vaccination.htm
As always, your tireless android,
Citizen Jimserac, seeking
to find an island of truth
in this sea of media created
feel good unquestioned assumptionings.
Citizen Jimserac
Jimmy: I answered you in another thread....did you read this:
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> On May 23, 5:59 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 23, 8:49 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On May 23, 8:33 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On May 23, 2:01 am, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > > > "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > >news:9819bc77-0f2c-4923-b8a2-1c9c155cb603@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > On May 22, 9:57 am, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > > > > "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >news:f8a6f17e-386e-4987-8b64-153610833743@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > >John, Orac sunk your proof.
> > > > > > Orac. He isn't my Oracle mate, sorry.
> > > > > Never said he was. However, he is a heck of a lot smarter than you,
> > > > > and documents his articles with reality based facts, not the jibberish
> > > > > you use.
> > > > > Orac=Allopathhttp://whale.to/a/allopathy_h.html
> > > > > Nuff said
> > > > For the non-thinking, of course it is "Nuff said." For those who can
> > > > actually think, and that does not include you, there is much more.
> > > Excuse me Valdeprobert, but John has posted links
> > > and offered REASONS for his opinions.
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> > > standards of proof demanded of alternative
> > > medicine.
> > > You apply standards of proof
> > > that are never EVER applied to vaccines,
> > > standard medicine surgical procedures,
> > > standard medicine drugs and use this
> > > innuendo in denialism of all alternative
> > > medicine.
> > > You accept WITHOUT QUESTION the propaganda
> > Not propaganda, but factual information. And, I came to that
> > conclusion by questioning it, and having a knowledge of science.
> > > repeated often from every quarter that
> > > vaccines work and do what they are supposed
> > I have seen how people can benefit from vaccination with my own eyes.
> > I have also seen how people can be harmed by lack of vaccination.
> > > to without harming the vast majority
> > > of people that get them
> > That is utter bullshit. If the "vast majority" are harmed then 90% of
> > the US populace under the age of 21 would be harmed.
> They WERE and ARE harmed.
So you say, but fail to prove. I do not expect you to be able to
prove
that claim for several reasons:
1. There is no proof of that claim.
2. You are a poor researcher.
> Check the disease
> statistics. Check the rise in autism.
Interesting that you bring that up. I *HAVE* studied the so called
rise in autism quite extensively. In order to facilitate those
studies, I went and learned some statistics (never one of my strong
suits) and epidemiology.
There are several reasons why an uncritical thinker, such as
yourself,
would believe the lies of the anti-vaccination purveyors of disease,
disability and death.
First, the criteria for a diagnosis of Autism has boradly expanded
over the past 20+ years, with the realization that Autism is a
spectrum disorder ranging from mild to severe. That accounts for part
of the apparent increase.
Second, there has been significant diagnostic re-assignment. This
means that some of those people who were diagnosed with "mental
retardation" or schizophernia years ago are no correctly being
diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorders. This explains two of the
bogus claims of the anti-vaccinationists, i.e., that there are few
adult autistics and that there is an increase.
Third, in the late 1980's, and especially in 1991, schools, under
IDEA, were mandated to actually look into why Johnny Can't Learn.
Once
that happened, there was more of a reason for an increase.
Now, move forward to today. Kids are now receiving the same number of
vaccines that they received in the late 1990's, now without
Thimerosal, and the numbers keep going up and up. One would think
that
there would have been either a drop in diagnosis if Thimerosal was
the
cause, or a leveling off if vaccinations were the cause. Neither
happened, thus vaccines are not the culprit in Autism.
> RETHINK your position before jumping
> to a conclusion which has been indoctrinated
> into you.
No one indoctrinated me in any way. I reached my conclusions after
using an open mind, knowledge, and study. If you want to think that I
was indictrinated, feel free to do so, but, it merely proves that you
are an a.shole.
Now, go get yourself a real education, and do not take courses at the
University of Google.
Jan Drew - 02 Jun 2008 06:50 GMT