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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / June 2008Myrl Jeffcoat is now giving legal advice on Daubert ... who is putting these words in her mouth???
Message from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover: www.BreastImplantawareness.org/ http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com Daubert is a very serious legal issue ... and one which has harmed hundreds of thousands of women already injured by their failed breast implants. Here are some papers on it: Litigation-Generated Science: Why Should we Care? http://www.ehponline.org/docs/2007/9987/abstract.html http://www.ehponline.org/docs/2007/9976/abstract.html I am grateful to the organizers of the Project on Scientific Knowledge and Public Policy's Coronado III conference and to the participants for the opportunity to develop and present these ideas. It has been used against doctors who treat people harmed by Multiple Chemical Sensitivity. Steve Barrett & Steve Milloy and their corporate junk science supporters have supported and waged and won long battles labeling fine scientists "quacks" and "junk scientists" and defaming them on every level while waging legal actions against them. Their Snake-oil Vigilante Team aids their smear attacks throughout the internet against those who work they want to shred in favor of industry bought science. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm Their highly funded "junk science" campaigns include defending Daubert for their clients. SKAPP ... www.defendingscience.org is on the other side of the issue. There is ongoing litigation and research on this. Myrl Jeffcoat has jumped into the middle of this debate this last couple of weeks after Milloy wrote an attack piece against SKAPP ... and is now giving legal opinions regarding Daubert! Who is backing all this hard work Myrl is doing on this? And who are the ever anonymous "us" Myrl is blathering about here??????? "Over turning Daubert NOW, will not aid us. Baby bottles is another issue. Mercury Amalgam dentistry is another issue. Anti-vaccination is another issue. None of this has anything to do with breast implant women, NOR should it be funded by them! At least not without disclosure. BUT once again, we fully understand why you would wish it so!" Myrl Carlene JEffcoat, May 19, 2008, 1:43 PM She is right. Overturning Daubert will not aid Barrett & Milloy's corporate funders for sure. It will not aid Patrick O'leary's Eurosilicone ...nor Inamed nor Dow Corning nor Dow Chemical. For years Myrl Jeffcoat has posted thousands and thousands of posts attacking me and promoting Quackwatch. Who is the "us" she is claiming to speak for? We already have a history of Myrl making up fake names sock puppets for her Hate Campaign against me. I also have letters from women telling me thata Myrl Jeffcoat in no way speaks for them!!!!! So Myrl ... who is the "us" and the "we" you are representing???? www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html Who is "we" and what do you imagine you "fully understand" is no financial benefit for me to have SKAPP do the fine work they are doing working to overturn Daubert and raise awareness to the cover up around chemials. So what are you claiming you are "fully understanding" in that twisted mind of yours???? Here are your words ... who are you speaking for??????????????????? "Over turning Daubert NOW, will not aid us. Baby bottles is another issue. Mercury Amalgam dentistry is another issue. Anti-vaccination is another issue. None of this has anything to do with breast implant women, NOR should it be funded by them! At least not without disclosure. BUT once again, we fully understand why you would wish it so!" Myrl Carlene JEffcoat, May 19, 2008, 1:43 PM From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal http://ilenarose.blogspot.com Thank you for your partial response Pam Dowd. The part you refused to answer is very telling. This accusation you made is blatantly false. "Third. The person who constantly brings up Milloy's name is you." Pam Dowd May 31, 2008 Nice diversion and blatant lie. When Coleah & Myrl began their dog & pony show on this thread (Coleah posting Myrl's comments by all the 'anonymous' voices in their heads) ... they posted Milloy's piece in full and repeated it several times. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/browse_thread/thread/3 7518048724c6995/752fb76c5ee66bf9 Further, Myrl did one of her famous 180 degree spins and for years exposed Milloy & his corporate funders ... then nuked that information and began advertising for Quackwatch and attacking me. http://web.archive.org/web/20010211082334/http://www.webstarmagic.com/wisletter.htm I have merely commented on this, pointing out that Milloy (and his corporate funders) and the breast implant industry are the ONLY ones who seem to have a benefit from this 'audit.' Although I have asked you several times what benefit to the women in the MDL past or present, I get alot of doubletalk. In fact, my belief is more firmly now than ever, is that Milloy's Junk Science funders want this audit ... so that Milloy can blast all recipients, including SKAPP (the opposite & corporate side of the ongoing Daubert issue) on FoxNews and his junkscience.com pages. For example, YOU Pam, brought up the Women's Institute for Silicone Education and Research. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/browse_thread/thread/6 e102ce9804ddb88 Only you and Milloy had written about this publicly ... he blasting Sybil and Fenton and the plaintiff's attorneys. I believe he will take this information you & Coleah & Myrl want so badly to use AGAINST SKAPP and the BPA issue ... while all of you staunchly claim you receive no funds from anyone and it's all "for the women." To date, you have shown me not one shred of any evidence that this information will benefit anyone but yourselves and those who want to derail SKAPP. "Methinks you bring it up because between the two of you, you create diversion on many issues and derail vulnerable individuals from seeking information and help that is rightfully theirs." Pam Dowd, May 31, 2008 Sure.I disagree with Milloy on most all issues, that is true. It is you and Coleah & Myrl, however, who are teamed with his right hand shill, Andrew M Langer, who you all seem to have some delusion that all the attention he gives you is because you're so darn cute. When he found you at the FDA, Pam ... he was there on salary, on business, to continue and expland his embedded welcome into the breast implant cause. He is a paid fake "expert" for Milloy's industry 'sound" science public relations bonanza for Dow and their other funders. You and NSIF and Coleah and Myrl have welcomed him into the breast implant cause. (see below.) Milloy has made millions to support breast implant makers. It has cost me hundreds of thousands of my personal dollars to raise awareness to the dangers of breast implants, and to expose the junk science / quackwatch agenda that surrounds this issue. Yes, we speak out on opposite sides of many issues ... but unlike him, I am backed by no corporations whose bottom lines are more important than women's health. I believe that Andrew Langer is using you and Coleah (who calls him one of her favorite young men) to get information that his funders and friends can use to attack SKAPP. Again ... I believe you intentionally are misleading the breast implant community with your quote below. It is my belief, much more now that you refuse to answer this very honest question I have of you, that you are using harmed women to get information for Milloy to use against the cause ... just like he did when he attacked Dr. Zuckerman and Sybil Goldrich and Fenton before. Yes, I will be putting this on my website ... with new information. Question for Pam Dowd #1 "With implanted women losing their homes, becoming dependent upon family members to keep a roof over their heads and some have died waiting on their paltry settlement, then yes, the source of the money IS an issue." Pam Dowd 5/28/2008 7:14 PM. So you are now claiming that the 6% of the attorneys fees that went into this fund from paid settlements would keep the "roofs over their heads" or would have been diverted to those waiting on their paltry settlement? Ilena Rosenthal ... several times from 5/28 - 5/31 That is not my understanding of the fund. Please clarify. Ilena Rosenthal ... several times from 5/28 - 5/31/2008 http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/browse_thread/thread/9 4560db63c7545de/30f43e764a1073c3?lnk=gst&q=andrew+langer+favorite#30f43e764a1073 c3 Coleah calling Andrew Langer one of her favorite young men. > From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthalhttp://ilenarose.blogspot.com (snip raving drivel....) > From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal > http://ilenarose.blogspot.com [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/browse_thread/thread/9 4560db63c7545de/30f43e764a1073c3?lnk=gst&q=andrew+langer+favorite#30f43e764a1073 c3 > Coleah calling Andrew Langer one of her favorite young men. On May 31, 1:04 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote: > From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthalhttp://ilenarose.blogspot.com Isn't it most revealing watching Ilena Rosenthal in action. Let me see - we have the very un-implanted Ilena Rosenthal acting in her role as a self-proclaimed "advocate" to breast implant women. Oooops! - In this posting alone, who is Ilena Rosenthal on the attack against: Pam Dowd Coleah Penley-Ayers Susan Schaezler Myrl Jeffcoat What do these 4 women have in common??? They were all harmed by breast implants! Does that answer the burning question about what makes Ilena Rosenthal tick??? You betcha! Now there's another question that needs to be answered - WHO has been paying Ilena Rosenthal to keep her in our midst being a PR nightmare, an abusive, divisive, disruptive force in the implant issue??? Increasingly, folks are beginning to get the clear picture! http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com > From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthalhttp://ilenarose.blogspot.com > [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/browse_thre... > Coleah calling Andrew Langer one of her favorite young men. > From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal > http://ilenarose.blogspot.com [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/browse_thread/thread/9 4560db63c7545de/30f43e764a1073c3?lnk=gst&q=andrew+langer+favorite#30f43e764a1073 c3 > Coleah calling Andrew Langer one of her favorite young men. Isn't it most revealing watching Ilena Rosenthal in action. Let me see - we have the very un-implanted Ilena Rosenthal acting in her role as a self-proclaimed "advocate" to breast implant women. > Isn't it most revealing watching Ilena Rosenthal in action. Let me > see - we have the very un-implanted Ilena Rosenthal acting in her role > as a self-proclaimed "advocate" to breast implant women. 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Coleah I am a practicing Christian. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/5f401dc3beac077d I'm certainly not a practicing Christian for you, because frankly I don't find YOU worthy, SAT-JAN. |________________________________|____| 0 20 40 60 80 100 JAN DREW TROLL-O-METER (snip Jan Drew's unChristian reposting of words/phrases she claims are 'filthy') Living vicariously? Don't like it? Sit on it an twirl. When are you going to admit you LIED about stating as a fact where Myrl got her information from? Talk about a hypocrit! "Coleah" <col...@pacifier.com> wrote On May 31, 8:18 pm, > "Coleah" <col...@pacifier.com> wrote : > Jesus Christ Almighty!!! >You are so full of sh.t. >Jesus Christ Almighty!!! http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/689206f... 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In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my > opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my > opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my [quoted text clipped - 255 lines] > opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my > opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, > In my opinion, People are on earth to express their love and acceptance of one another. With some folks we have a harder time accepting even one cell about them that is lovable, so our communication with them is.....ah, at a pretty low level. It's a waste of time to dwell too long with our 'low-level loved ones', for we also appear as such. I hope you don't get stuck in that muck, as I have in the past. Coleah I am a practicing Christian. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/5f401dc3be... I'm certainly not a practicing Christian for you, because frankly I don't find YOU worthy, SAT-JAN. (Woof, Woof) >> From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal >> http://ilenarose.blogspot.com [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] > see - we have the very un-implanted Ilena Rosenthal acting in her role > as a self-proclaimed "advocate" to breast implant women. From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal http://ilenarose.blogspot.com Thank you for your partial response Pam Dowd. The part you refused to answer is very telling. This accusation you made is blatantly false. "Third. The person who constantly brings up Milloy's name is you." Pam Dowd May 31, 2008 Nice diversion and blatant lie. When Coleah & Myrl began their dog & pony show on this thread (Coleah posting Myrl's comments by all the 'anonymous' voices in their heads) ... they posted Milloy's piece in full and repeated it several times. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/browse_thread/thread/3 7518048724c6995/752fb76c5ee66bf9 Further, Myrl did one of her famous 180 degree spins and for years exposed Milloy & his corporate funders ... then nuked that information and began advertising for Quackwatch and attacking me. http://web.archive.org/web/20010211082334/http://www.webstarmagic.com/wisletter.htm I have merely commented on this, pointing out that Milloy (and his corporate funders) and the breast implant industry are the ONLY ones who seem to have a benefit from this 'audit.' Although I have asked you several times what benefit to the women in the MDL past or present, I get alot of doubletalk. In fact, my belief is more firmly now than ever, is that Milloy's Junk Science funders want this audit ... so that Milloy can blast all recipients, including SKAPP (the opposite & corporate side of the ongoing Daubert issue) on FoxNews and his junkscience.com pages. For example, YOU Pam, brought up the Women's Institute for Silicone Education and Research. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/browse_thread/thread/6 e102ce9804ddb88 Only you and Milloy had written about this publicly ... he blasting Sybil and Fenton and the plaintiff's attorneys. I believe he will take this information you & Coleah & Myrl want so badly to use AGAINST SKAPP and the BPA issue ... while all of you staunchly claim you receive no funds from anyone and it's all "for the women." To date, you have shown me not one shred of any evidence that this information will benefit anyone but yourselves and those who want to derail SKAPP. "Methinks you bring it up because between the two of you, you create diversion on many issues and derail vulnerable individuals from seeking information and help that is rightfully theirs." Pam Dowd, May 31, 2008 Sure.I disagree with Milloy on most all issues, that is true. It is you and Coleah & Myrl, however, who are teamed with his right hand shill, Andrew M Langer, who you all seem to have some delusion that all the attention he gives you is because you're so darn cute. When he found you at the FDA, Pam ... he was there on salary, on business, to continue and expland his embedded welcome into the breast implant cause. He is a paid fake "expert" for Milloy's industry 'sound" science public relations bonanza for Dow and their other funders. You and NSIF and Coleah and Myrl have welcomed him into the breast implant cause. (see below.) Milloy has made millions to support breast implant makers. It has cost me hundreds of thousands of my personal dollars to raise awareness to the dangers of breast implants, and to expose the junk science / quackwatch agenda that surrounds this issue. Yes, we speak out on opposite sides of many issues ... but unlike him, I am backed by no corporations whose bottom lines are more important than women's health. I believe that Andrew Langer is using you and Coleah (who calls him one of her favorite young men) to get information that his funders and friends can use to attack SKAPP. Again ... I believe you intentionally are misleading the breast implant community with your quote below. It is my belief, much more now that you refuse to answer this very honest question I have of you, that you are using harmed women to get information for Milloy to use against the cause ... just like he did when he attacked Dr. Zuckerman and Sybil Goldrich and Fenton before. Yes, I will be putting this on my website ... with new information. Question for Pam Dowd #1 "With implanted women losing their homes, becoming dependent upon family members to keep a roof over their heads and some have died waiting on their paltry settlement, then yes, the source of the money IS an issue." Pam Dowd 5/28/2008 7:14 PM. So you are now claiming that the 6% of the attorneys fees that went into this fund from paid settlements would keep the "roofs over their heads" or would have been diverted to those waiting on their paltry settlement? Ilena Rosenthal ... several times from 5/28 - 5/31 That is not my understanding of the fund. Please clarify. Ilena Rosenthal ... several times from 5/28 - 5/31/2008 http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/browse_thread/thread/9 4560db63c7545de/30f43e764a1073c3?lnk=gst&q=andrew+langer+favorite#30f43e764a1073 c3 Coleah calling Andrew Langer one of her favorite young men. ----------- > From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthalhttp://ilenarose.blogspot.com > I believe that Andrew Langer is using you and Coleah (who calls him > one of her favorite young men) to get information that his funders and > friends can use to attack SKAPP. Another piece of crap you 'thunk up' in your head? Just WHAT kind of valuable information do you think Andrew 'gets' from US? How does he 'get it'? You really are delusional !!! |
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