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ironjustice - 26 May 2008 18:34 GMT They've decided to NOT raise the cabin pressure .. Not enough evidence .. They aren't counting the db's .. just the cash ..
Reminds me of the water heaters which had the 'defect' .. they decided it was "cheaper" to pay off the explosions and screaming deaths than to recall.
"8000 ft has been accepted as the maximum operational cabin pressure altitude in the airline industry."
"On the basis of our findings, we conclude that maintaining a cabin altitude of 6,000 feet or lower (equivalent to a barometric pressure of 609 mm Hg or higher) on long-duration commercial flights will reduce the discomfort among passengers,"
Cabin cruising altitudes for regular transport aircraft. [Journal Article] Aviat Space Environ Med 2008 Apr; 79(4):433-9.
The adverse physiological effects of flight, caused by ascent to altitude and its associated reduction in barometric pressure, have been known since the first manned balloon flights in the 19th century. It soon became apparent that the way to protect the occupant of an aircraft from the effects of ascent to altitude was to enclose either the individual, or the cabin, in a sealed or pressurized environment. Of primary concern in commercial airline transport operations is the selection of a suitable cabin pressurization schedule that assures adequate oxygen partial pressures for all intended occupants. For the past several decades, 8000 ft has been accepted as the maximum operational cabin pressure altitude in the airline industry. More recent research findings on the physiological and psycho- physiological effects of mild hypoxia have provided cause for renewed discussion of the "acceptability" of a maximum cabin cruise altitude of 8000 ft; however, we did not find sufficient scientific data to recommend a change in the cabin altitude of transport category aircraft. The Aerospace Medical Association (AsMA) should support further research to evaluate the safety, performance and comfort of occupants at altitudes between 5000 and 10,000 ft.
Aviation, space, and environmental medicine [Aviat Space Environ Med] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Long flights cause altitude sickness 6 Jul 2007, 0002 hrs IST,REUTERS
BOSTON: Feeling a little achy, light headed or short of breath on a long plane flight? A new study suggests you might be suffering from a mild form of altitude sickness.
Until now, such symptoms had been attributed to jet lag, dehydration, air contamination or being stuck in a cramped seat for hours.
Researchers report that true altitude sickness - with its nausea, vomiting and sleep disturbances - was no more likely in volunteers in simulated airplane cabins where the pressure was equivalent to 8,000 feet above sea level than it was when the pressure was closer to sea level.
But after three hours of exposure to cabin pressures equivalent to 7,000 to 8,000 feet, the simulated fliers were more likely than others to report backaches, headaches, shortness of breath, light- headedness and impaired coordination.
Women and younger people were the most likely to experience symptoms. "On the basis of our findings, we conclude that maintaining a cabin altitude of 6,000 feet or lower (equivalent to a barometric pressure of 609 mm Hg or higher) on long-duration commercial flights will reduce the discomfort among passengers," wrote Michael Muhm and colleagues.
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Briefs: Flying may pose risk to sleep apnea sufferers By Times Staff, Wires In print: Friday, May 23, 2008
Flying may pose risk to sleep apnea sufferers
People with severe obstructive sleep apnea (OSA) taking airline flights may have a greater risk from cardiac stress than healthy people, according to new research. The scientists compared oxygen levels and breathing by simulating flight conditions. "It is normal for the rate of breathing to increase when air pressure falls,'' said Leigh Seccombe, an Australian scientist. "We found that (for those with OSA), their breathing intensity increases at about the same rate as it does in healthy people." But the physiological stress and demand for oxygen was increased in people with OSA. "The work they do to run the core range of body functions (heart, lungs, brain) is much greater under cabin conditions.''
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ironjustice - 28 May 2008 16:13 GMT thrombosis <<
People are still under the assumption it is the cramped seating conditions which causes thrombosis ..
It's not ..
Vol. 119, No. 3, 2008 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Review
Altitude and Coagulation Activation: Does Going High Provoke Thrombosis? J.J. van Veena, M. Makrisb
aLeicester Haemophilia Comprehensive Care Centre and Haemostasis and Thrombosis Unit, Leicester , and bSheffield Haemophilia and Thrombosis Centre, Sheffield, UK
Address of Corresponding Author
Acta Haematol 2008;119:156-157 (DOI: 10.1159/000128045)
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> They've decided to NOT raise the cabin pressure .. > Not enough evidence .. [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk ironjustice - 28 May 2008 16:32 GMT On May 28, 8:13 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:thrombosis <<
Predisposed to thrombosis through .. too many red blood cell / erythrocytosis .. polycythemia ..
"The patient with cerebral venous thrombosis described by Fujimaki et al3 was severely polycythemic."
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> thrombosis << > [quoted text clipped - 137 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ironjustice - 28 May 2008 16:56 GMT thrombosis <<
"Symptoms usually begin 6-24 hours after arrival"
http://www.rnceus.com/altitude/sickness.html
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> thrombosis << > [quoted text clipped - 137 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ironjustice - 28 May 2008 17:03 GMT "Symptoms usually begin 6-24 hours after arrival"
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"The coalition recommends these measures for all passengers on flights of six or more hours: "
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> thrombosis << > [quoted text clipped - 155 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ironjustice - 28 May 2008 18:44 GMT erythrocytosis <<
Sleep apnea and erythrocytosis coexist and erythrocytosis / sleep apnea is a sign of "don't fly if you have sleep apnea" because of thrombosis.
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Thrombosis is very common in lupus . Erythrocytosis / polycythemia causes thrombosis. Erythrocytosis "doesn't exist in lupus" even though all the drugs 'they' sell you and all the signs and symptoms say it DOES .. .
They say they have no idea what causes the thrombosis problems in lupus BUT you know they sell you drugs which are KNOWN to control **erythrocytosis** .and you KNOW erythrocytosis causes thrombosis . You KNOW treatments which treat erythrocytosis lead to CURE in disease which closely resembles lupus. IE: thalassemia and sickle / aplastic anemia.
You know lupus manifests at altitude and altitude causes erythrocytosis.
But .. erythrocytosis .. isn't .. involved IN .. lupus .. ?
Need a bridge .. ?
Another sign of .. erythrocytosis .. is .. increased blood viscosity .. since increased red blood cell production / erythrocytosis leads to increased blood viscosity .. thicker more 'syrup' like blood.
Sooo .. does increased viscosity APPEAR .. in .. lupus .. ?
Yep ..
http://serials.cib.unibo.it/cgi-ser/start/it/spogli/df-s.tcl?- prog_art=3D429= 3343&language=3DITALIANO&view=3Darticoli
Catalogo Articoli (Spogli Riviste) OPAC HELP
Titolo: Elevated blood viscosity in systemic lupus erythematosus
Autore: Rosenson, RS; Shott, S; Katz, R; Indirizzi: Northwestern Univ, Sch Med, Prevent Cardiol Ctr, Chicago, IL 60611 USA Northwestern Univ Chicago IL USA 60611 Cardiol Ctr, Chicago, IL 60611 USA Rush Presbyterian St Lukes Med Ctr, Biostat Unit, Dept Neurosurg, Chicago,IL 60612 USA Rush Presbyterian St Lukes Med Ctr Chicago IL USA 60612 cago,IL 60612 USA Rush Presbyterian St Lukes Med Ctr, Dept Med, Rheumatol Sect, Chicago, IL 60612 USA Rush Presbyterian St Lukes Med Ctr Chicago IL USA 60612 ago, IL 60612 USA
Titolo Testata: SEMINARS IN ARTHRITIS AND RHEUMATISM fascicolo: 1, volume: 31, anno: 2001, pagine: 52 - 57 SICI: 0049-0172(200108)31:1<52:EBVISL>2.0.ZU;2-L Fonte: ISI Lingua: ENG Soggetto: EMISSION COMPUTED-TOMOGRAPHY; DISEASE RISK-FACTORS; CARDIOVASCULAR MANIFESTATIONS; ARTERY; LIPOPROTEIN; ANTIBODIES; COHORT; INDEX; MEN; Keywords: systemic lupus erythematosus; blood viscosity; rheology; cardiovascular risk; Tipo documento: Review Natura: Periodico Settore Disciplinare: Clinical Medicine Citazioni: 34
Recensione: Indirizzi per estratti: Indirizzo: Rosenson, RS Northwestern Univ, Sch Med, Prevent Cardiol Ctr, 250 E Super St,Wesley 728, Chicago, IL 60611 USA Northwestern Univ 250 E Super St,Wesley 728 Chicago IL USA 60611
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Abstract Objectives: It has been proposed that elevated blood viscosity contributes to atherothrombotic and thromboembolic processes. We evaluated whether there is increased blood viscosity in systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) that might contribute to cardiovascular complications and reduced tissue perfusion. Methods: Blood viscosity profiles were evaluated inSLE patients to determine whether rheologic disturbancescontribute to the cardiovascular risk profile. Blood viscosity profiles were evaluated in 27 patients with SLE and 46 age- and gender-matched controls. Blood viscosity was measured at 37 degrees C and shear rates of 1 s(-1) and 100 s(-1), then corrected to the average hematocrit of the SLE patients. Results. Corrected blood viscosity values were higher in SLE patients than in controls at 100 s(-1) (P =3D .002). Positive correlations were found between the Systemic Lupus Damage Index for SLE, which quantifies damage to12 organ systems and fibrinogen (rho =3D .39; P =3D .042) and plasma viscosity (rho=3D .38, P =3D .049). Conclusions: Our data indicate that = blood viscosityvalues at a standard hematocrit are elevated in SLE patients. Further investigations are needed to evaluate whether the increased blood viscosity values in SLE patients contribute to cardiovascular complications and tissue ischemia. Clinical Relevance: Because blood viscosity values correlate with the clinical severity of SLE, blood viscosity may contribute to the cardiovascular complications and reduced tissue perfusion in SLE patients. Copyright (C) 2001 by W.B. Saunders Company. ----------------------------- CIB Centro Inter-Bibliotecario, Universit=E0 di Bologna, Catalogo delle riviste ed altri periodici Documento generato il 26/03/07 alle ore 15:23:15 International Collaborating Clinics/American College of Rheumatology ---------------------------------
This is mere .. coincidence of course .. phlebotomy / venesection / bloodletting .. leads to **resolution** of .. erythematous lesions on the center of the face.
Phlebotomy / venesection / bloodletting .. is the PREFERRED .. first treatment .. OF .. erythrocytosis ..
Coincidence .. of .. course ..
Rosacea associated with polycythemia vera: Skin lesions improved with phlebotomy ADSuhr,Ki-Beom; Yoon, Ji-Seong; Lee, Jeung-Hoon; Park, Jang-Kyu 1994 Annals of Dermatology 6(1): 98-101
We report a case of rosacea in a 65 year old female with a 14 year history of polycythemia vera. The patient suffered fromseveral constitutional symptoms and signs suggestive ofpolycythemia vera. Six years prior to our initial examination,erythematous lesions were first noted on the center of the face. These lesions exhibited periodic improvement and exacerbation without specific treatment. Histopathologicexamination of the facial lesions showed nodular infiltrationof lymphocytes and histiocytes and dilation of blood vessels. On the basis of laboratory examination, the patient was diagnosed as polycythemia vera. The patient has receivedmetronidazole, tetracycline, and topical steroids to controlrosacea- like facial lesions. The treatment results were notsignificant. However, phlebotomy markedly improved the skin lesion. To our knowledge, there are no reports describing the clinical course of rosacea lesions following the treatment with phlebotomy. --------------------
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Taka - 29 May 2008 01:56 GMT So should we be practicing bloodletting before long haul flights? The physicians are recommending taking aspirin before. You may say aspirin binds iron but its more important function is COX inhibition. It's all about arachidonic acid overload.
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ironjustice - 29 May 2008 15:56 GMT On May 28, 5:56 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:It's all about arachidonic acid overload <<
Sooo .. as opposed to the information I've provided as to the **proximate** cause OF the thrombosis .. you .. 'say' .. it's all about arachidonic acid .. ?
Need a cite or two for that I think.
Arachidonic acid causes hyperviscosity .. ??
Show JUST that one .. just one cite which shows arachidonic acid causes .. hyperviscosity ..
Warfarin against .. arachidonic acid / hyperviscosity ..
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> So should we be practicing bloodletting before long haul flights? The > physicians are recommending taking aspirin before. You may say > aspirin binds iron but its more important function is COX inhibition. > It's all about arachidonic acid overload. > > Taka Manky Badger - 29 May 2008 18:08 GMT On May 28, 5:56 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:It's all about arachidonic acid overload <<
Sooo .. as opposed to the information I've provided as to the **proximate** cause OF the thrombosis .. you .. 'say' .. it's all about arachidonic acid .. ?
Need a cite or two for that I think.
Arachidonic acid causes hyperviscosity .. ??
Show JUST that one .. just one cite which shows arachidonic acid causes .. hyperviscosity ..
Warfarin against .. arachidonic acid / hyperviscosity .. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Sorry, I *know* I shouldn't feed the troll)
Tommy - you demonstrate your ignorance yet again. I shall add arachidonic acid to the list which includes (among other gems):
"disease which closely resembles lupus. IE: thalassemia and sickle / aplastic anemia" sequestration of minerals the anti-gravity effects of iron reduction on red cells.
Why on earth do you post this stuff? Again your theories seem perfectly plausible to anyone who knows absolutely nothing about the subject. (This is your cue to swear without the vowels and call me childish names)
ironjustice - 29 May 2008 18:36 GMT On May 29, 10:08 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: the anti-gravity effects of iron reduction on red cells. <<
You are on this thread for a reason .. ?
You are AGAIN .. doctoring .. information ..
Eh ..
Is that the extent of your .. abilities .. ?
Doctoring medical studies .. doctoring posts .. and .. attempting to belittle .. ?
Is it .. "I am a scientist with credentials" ..
Ehhh ..
Dweeb ..
Always will be a dweeb ..
Now unless you have something to say about .. aplastic anemia and the risk of dying while flying .. maybe you should crawl back under whatever shtpiles guys like you crawl out .. from .. under ..
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> On May 28, 5:56 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:It's all aboutarachidonicacid overload << > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > nothing about the subject. > (This is your cue to swear without the vowels and call me childish names) paris@ferrous.com - 29 May 2008 19:50 GMT "Is it .. "I am a scientist with credentials" .."
Interesting, we did not know that came with a hack license in canada.
Manky Badger - 29 May 2008 20:15 GMT > "Is it .. "I am a scientist with credentials" .." > > Interesting, we did not know that came with a hack license in canada. He's great isn't he. You have to laugh.
ironjustice - 29 May 2008 23:47 GMT On May 29, 11:50 am, pa...@ferrous.com wrote: "Is it .. "I am a scientist with credentials" .." <<
What .. came with a hack license in canada .. ?
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> Interesting, we did not know that came with a hack license in canada. Manky Badger - 29 May 2008 20:19 GMT On May 29, 10:08 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: the anti-gravity effects of iron reduction on red cells. <<
You are on this thread for a reason .. ?
You are AGAIN .. doctoring .. information .. _______________________________________________
When have I *ever* doctored information?
(Double dweeb with knobs on - no returns!!!)
ironjustice - 30 May 2008 00:39 GMT hyperviscosity <<
My free bisphosphonate works well the iron chelator I wonder why.
http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?ProdID=art1170&zTYPE=2
"An overlooked anti-coagulant is Inositol Hexaphosphate (IP6). In one study, IP6 inhibited platelet aggregation by 45 percent in an in vivo animal model. In an in vitro study by the same researchers, stickiness was induced in human whole blood taken from healthy volunteers. IP6 reduced clotting by 50 percent, or eliminated it altogether."
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> On May 28, 5:56 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:It's all about > arachidonic acid overload << [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Taka - 30 May 2008 03:33 GMT > On May 28, 5:56 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:It's all about > arachidonic acid overload << [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Need a cite or two for that I think. http://www.prostaglandinresearch.com/showcitationlist.php?mth=Thromboembolism
> Arachidonic acid causes hyperviscosity .. ?? > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > Taka ironjustice - 30 May 2008 13:47 GMT On May 29, 7:33 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:it's all about arachidonic acid <<
Ok .. I gave a pretty good rendition of WHY a person with lupus .. seems .. to be erythrocytotic .. AND .. when they FLY .. they .. die ..
Now .. when one flys .. erythrocytosis KILLS you / thrombosis ..
NOW .. explain in a few words how YOU .. think .. lupus / arachidonic acid .. makes one APPEAR to be erythrocytotic .. too many red blood cells AND gives them the propensity to die WHEN they fly.
We were given three different symptoms which might make one die in flight .. and all of them seem to be lupus .. related.
You are saying .. it is NOT erythrocytosis which kills these thick blooded people .. it is the .. arachidonic acid ..
Now why would arachidonic acid .. and flying .. kill people with lupus .. ?
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> > On May 28, 5:56 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:It's all about > > arachidonic acid overload << [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ironjustice - 30 May 2008 15:22 GMT On May 30, 5:47 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:Arachidonic Acid <<
Arachidonic acid is part and parcel of our immune system. Much like iron it has its .. place. Moderation .. But .. when there is TOO much .. **iron** ..
"Increased Release of Arachidonic Acid"
ANY abnormal increase of arachidonic acid can be explained with the iron overload / aplastic anemia / erythrocytosis / .. hypothesis.
(Circulation. 2001;103:2395.) © 2001 American Heart Association, Inc.
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Basic Science Reports
Increased Release of Arachidonic Acid and Eicosanoids in Iron- Overloaded Cardiomyocytes Rafael Mattera, PhD; Gregory P. Stone, BA; Nael Bahhur, BA; Yuri A. Kuryshev, PhD From Rammelkamp Center for Education and Research, MetroHealth Medical Center (R.M., G.P.S., N.B., Y.A.K.) and Department of Medicine (R.M.), Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine, Cleveland, Ohio.
Correspondence to Rafael Mattera, PhD, Cell Biology and Metabolism Branch, NICHD, Building 18T, Room 101, Bethesda, MD 20892. E-mail matterar@helix.nih.gov
Background—Patients with transfusional iron overload may develop a life-limiting cardiomyopathy. The sensitivity of lipid-metabolizing enzymes to peroxidative injury, as well as the reported effects of arachidonic acid (AA) and metabolites on cardiac rhythm, led us to hypothesize that iron-overloaded cardiomyocytes display alterations in the release of AA and prostaglandins.
Methods and Results—Neonatal rat ventricular myocytes (NRVMs) cultured for 72 hours in the presence of 80 µg/mL ferric ammonium citrate displayed an increased rate of AA release, both under resting conditions and after stimulation with agonists such as [Sar1]Ang II. Although iron treatment did not affect overall incorporation of [3H]AA into NRVM phospholipids, it caused a 2-fold increase in the distribution of precursor in phosphatidylcholine species, with a proportional decrease in phosphatidylinositol, phosphatidylserine, and phosphatidylethanolamine. Increased release of AA in iron-overloaded NRVMs was reduced by the diacylglycerol lipase inhibitor RHC80267 but was largely insensitive to inhibitors of phospholipases A2 and C. Iron- overloaded cardiomyocytes also displayed increased production of eicosanoids and induction of cyclooxygenase-2 after stimulation with interleukin-1.
Conclusions—Iron overload enhances AA release and incorporation of AA into phosphatidylcholine, as well as cyclooxygenase-2 induction and eicosanoid production, in NRVMs. The effects of AA and metabolites on cardiomyocyte rhythmicity suggest a causal connection between these signals and electromechanical alterations in iron-overload–induced cardiomyopathy.
Key Words: cardiomyopathy • prostaglandins • signal transduction • myocytes • iron
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> On May 29, 7:33 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:it's all > about arachidonic acid << [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Taka - 30 May 2008 16:03 GMT > On May 30, 5:47 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> > wrote:Arachidonic Acid << [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Moderation .. > But .. when there is TOO much .. **iron** .. or TOO much **arachidonic acid** ... (has the iron intake changed as much as the consumption of the linoleic acid rich vegetable oils has since the beginning of last century? and is there a system which blocks the linoleic acid absorption in the human gut when there is enough of it inside the body? - as you may know linoleic acid is converted into the arachidonic acid by liver and any cell type generally)
> "Increased Release of Arachidonic Acid" Do you know Tom, there are people who don't have any appreciable amounts of arachidonic acid to speak of in their bodies, like Ray Peat, Monty ...? What harm could possibly iron do to them?
Taka
> ANY abnormal increase of arachidonic acid can be explained with the > iron overload / aplastic anemia / erythrocytosis / .. hypothesis. [quoted text clipped - 130 lines] > > > - Show quoted text - ironjustice@aol.com - 30 May 2008 16:59 GMT On May 30, 8:03 am, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote: is there a system which blocks the linoleic acid absorption in the human gut when there is enough of it inside the body? <<
Using .. logic .. ?
Yes .. taka .. there is ..
It is found in plants when you eat them isn't it .. ?
If I eat lots of plants high in linoleic acid will I die .. ?
If I eat healthy plants .. lots of plants .. plants which are generally KNOWN to be good for you but HIGH in linoleic acid will I deteriorate .. ?
I would say .. no ..
On May 30, 8:03 am, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote: Do you know Tom, there are people who don't have any appreciable amounts of arachidonic acid to speak of in their bodies,<<
These would be the healthy people then .. ?
On May 30, 8:03 am, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote: What harm could possibly iron do to them? <<
Sooo .. what you are saying is .. "iron causes an increase in arachidonic acid and this increase is seen in every disease state involving iron" .. ?
Iron simply out and out rusts in the body .. you open a person up and their insides are literally the color of rust and deep brownish ..
WHAT kind of .. damage .. do YOU 'figure' .. ?
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> > On May 30, 5:47 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> > > wrote:Arachidonic Acid << [quoted text clipped - 156 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Manky Badger - 30 May 2008 17:54 GMT Iron simply out and out rusts in the body .. you open a person up and their insides are literally the color of rust and deep brownish .. _________________________________________________________
So what colour are the insides of those people with lower iron levels?
Taka - 31 May 2008 01:09 GMT > <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote in message > > news:e21eee72-5a12-447d-a3ea-2ad340ab00f4@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > Iron simply out and out rusts in the body .. you open a person up and > their insides are literally the color of rust and deep brownish .. Iron with the valency +2 is green - all plants are green because chlorophyl contains Fe+2
Iron with the valency +3 is red/brownish/rust - all blood and muscle are red because hemoglobin and myoglobin contain Fe+3
The iron is in them for a reason, dead and ill people turn pale white not red rust ...
Linoleic and alpha-linolenic acids are MINOR components of plants except for some nuts but these also contain ample antioxidants to counteract their oxidation by iron. You cannot normally eat enough nuts to match the linoleic acid intake from the modern processed foods like the fried items. Think a bit quantitatively Tom.
Iron doesn't produce arachidonic acid, it rather oxidizes it what leads to dangerous signaling proinflammatory molecules like leukotrienes.
Taka
ironjustice@aol.com - 31 May 2008 04:38 GMT On May 30, 5:09 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote: Iron simply out and out rusts in the body .. you open a person up and their insides are literally the color of rust and deep brownish .. Iron with the valency +2 is green - all plants are green because chlorophyl contains Fe+2 Iron with the valency +3 is red/brownish/ rust - all blood and muscle are red because hemoglobin and myoglobin contain Fe+3 The iron is in them for a reason, dead and ill people turn pale white not red rust <<
It is a well known fact of iron overload ..
On May 30, 5:09 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote: Iron doesn't produce arachidonic acid, <<
"Iron overload enhances AA release"
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> > <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Taka RF - 02 Jun 2008 04:51 GMT > They've decided to NOT raise the cabin pressure .. > Not enough evidence .. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it was "cheaper" to pay off the explosions and screaming deaths than > to recall. ---- and the Ford Motor company when they discovered defects in a car and they decided it would be cheaper to compensate the victims than to recall the cars and fix the problem. What a surprise they had :-) We need a lot more of those.
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