Clinical Internship in Medical Acupuncture at Stanford University

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The One True Zhen Jue - 23 May 2008 17:20 GMT

It just keeps getting worse and worse for those with blind hatred of
acupuncture. The faux-skeptics, specifically Martin & Richard, have a
fanatical devotion to the ideas that acupuncture doesn't work and is
not accepted within mainstream medicine. Just today, Richard felt the
need to tell me that the citation of Harvard's acupuncture training
was invalid because it only demonstrated that a single university
trains MD's. Well, please excuse Harvard university for not including
an exhaustive list of all accreditted US medical schools that train
acupuncturists.

Further, he went on to suggest that Stanford doesn't train MD's to
actually practice acupuncture. He feels as if it is something that
they discuss with 4th year medical students. Of course, he has
welcomed me to correct him, if in error. I graciously accept.

http://med.stanford.edu/anesthesia/education/clinical_fellowship.html

Anesthesia Acupuncture

Acupuncture therapy in an ICU patientThe goal of the fellowship is to
receive clinical and research training in medical acupuncture. Fellows
may choose to specialize in either adult or pediatric acupuncture, or
may select a mixture. The duration of the fellowship is 1 year.

Specific Objectives:

Complete certification studies in medical acupuncture.

Take Medical Acupuncture board examination.

Gain facility in common clinical acupuncture protocols eg.
perioperative acupuncture, nausea and vomiting, oncology treatments,
acupuncture for withdrawal.

Assist in the development of educational programs for medical
students, residents and fellows.
Clinical Research training in medical acupuncture, to include
biostatistics course (HRP) design and conduct of clinical trials (HRP)
other post-graduate courses such as offered through SPCTRM. Design and
implement an acupuncture study, including conceptualization and
planning of study, writing IRB protocol, screening patients,
performing acupuncture, collecting and analyzing data, preparing and
submitting a manuscript for publication.

Assessment towards above stated goals will be performed on a monthly
basis, in the form of both formative and summative written evaluation.
The fellow will maintain a portfolio of complex cases, talks and
presentations.

Course Director: Emily Ratner, M.D. (adult), Brenda Golianu, M.D.
(pediatrics)

Principal Faculty: Emily Ratner, M.D., Brenda Golianu, M.D., Sam
LeBaron, M.D., Alice Edler, M.D.(education and statistics), Greg
Hammer, M.D. (research)

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Richard Schultz - 25 May 2008 08:35 GMT

: It just keeps getting worse and worse for those with blind hatred of
: acupuncture.

The word you're looking for is "projection." Not everyone who is skeptical
of a procedure is acting out of "blind hatred." But when someone (aka you)
refuses even to *acknowledge* evidence against his position and calls anyone
who disagrees with him a "liar," one has to wonder if said person (aka you)
is behaving rationally.

: The faux-skeptics, specifically Martin & Richard, have a
: fanatical devotion to the ideas that acupuncture doesn't work and is
: not accepted within mainstream medicine.

I do not have a "fanatical devotion to the ideas that acupuncture doesn't
work and is not accepted within mainstream medicine." What I do have is
an ability to read the literature, whether it reports positive or
negative results, an ability that you appear to lack.

: Just today, Richard felt the
: need to tell me that the citation of Harvard's acupuncture training
: was invalid because it only demonstrated that a single university
: trains MD's.

Would you care to provide the exact citation? I cannot find any instance
of my having called the citation "invalid." Or are you lying again?
<crickets chirping>

: Further, he went on to suggest that Stanford doesn't train MD's to
: actually practice acupuncture.

: He feels as if it is something that they discuss with 4th year
: medical students.

That is the course in acupuncture. I was not aware until you posted
the information about the fellowship that there was one. I note with
interest that they don't actually seem to use acupuncture as a method
of anesthesia, which leads one to wonder why precisely the fellowship
is one in anesthesia.

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Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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". . .but even if it was an error, it had nevertheless a sort of grandeur. . ."
--Franz Kafka, "Investigations of a Dog"

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news - 25 May 2008 11:19 GMT

Richards blind trash removed.

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Jan Drew - 26 May 2008 04:37 GMT

"Richard Schultz" <schultr@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote:>

Andrew Kingoff wrote:

It just keeps getting worse and worse for those with blind hatred of
acupuncture.

> The word you're looking for is "projection."

Um, no. He is not looking for your words, he has his own.

It just keeps getting worse and worse for those with blind hatred of
acupuncture.

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