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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / May 2008Infant Vaccines Produce Autism Symptoms in New Primate Study
Infant Vaccines Produce Autism Symptoms in New Primate Study by University of Pittsburgh Scientists ATLANTA, May 19 --Findings released Friday showed that infant monkeys given vaccines officially recommended by the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) exhibited autism-like symptoms. Lead investigator Laura Hewitson of the University of Pittsburgh and colleagues presented study results at the International Meeting for Autism Research (IMFAR) in London. Safety studies of medicines are typically conducted in monkeys prior to use in humans, yet such basic research on the current childhood vaccination regimen has never before been done. http://www.sunherald.com/447/story/569713.html I think parents should sue not only Pharma, But also the American Academy of Pediatrics for pushing these harmful UNTESTED vaccines. > Infant Vaccines Produce Autism Symptoms in New Primate Study by > University of Pittsburgh Scientists [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://www.sunherald.com/447/story/569713.html > I think parents should sue not only Pharma, But also the American > Academy of Pediatrics for pushing these harmful UNTESTED vaccines. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > - Show quoted text - American laws prohibit big pharma and the pediatricians from any liability law suits. You can only sue yourself, that is, your federal government. However, rather than being open to complaints, the feds have set up a court system run by special liars...err, special masters, and they use the dilbert...er dulbert rule to allow only pharma shills to testify. Secondly, if American parents were told the real truth, the license for the MD might force the out of work docs to use their license to drive a taxi. DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. However, rather than being open to complaints, the feds > have set up a court system run by special liars...err, special > masters, and they use the dilbert...er dulbert rule to allow only > pharma shills to testify. Sounds a bit communist, doesnt it! On May 21, 1:14 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > > I think parents should sue not only Pharma, But also the American > > Academy of Pediatrics for pushing these harmful UNTESTED vaccines. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > However, rather than being open to complaints, the feds >> have set up a court system run by special liars...err, special >> masters, and they use the dilbert...er dulbert rule to allow only >> pharma shills to testify. > > Sounds a bit communist, doesnt it! Ummm -- right. You never did look up the Daubert rule, did you? | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > Ummm -- right. > You never did look up the Daubert rule, did you? Oh I know what that is, Its when the government shill's for Pharma! > In message <e70d0bd7-cbb3-4463-94ed-75054c61c...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Kevysmom wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | > +-------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ >> Ummm -- right. >> You never did look up the Daubert rule, did you? > > Oh I know what that is, Its when the government shill's for Pharma! So how does the government shilling for Pharma enter into a lawsuit between two software companies? | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > However, rather than being open to complaints, the feds > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sounds a bit communist, doesnt it! Nope. There was no system like that in any communist country. The system is quite good, Chuckie moronic comments aside, since it provides for free legal representation and allows an awfully low standard of proof, way lower than a preponderance of the evidence, which is the standard in civil court cases. The Special Masters are highly trained, and are provided with access to experts, etc. to assist them in making decisions. The problem Chuckie, and you, have is that the plaintiffs/claimants need to actually offer some credible evidence to prove their case. Too bad. > On May 21, 1:14 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > American laws prohibit big pharma and the pediatricians from any > liability law suits. The last time I asked about that law, you went silent. Had any luck finding it since then? > You can only sue yourself, that is, your federal > government. However, rather than being open to complaints, the feds > have set up a court system run by special liars...err, special > masters, and they use the dilbert...er dulbert rule to allow only > pharma shills to testify. Daubert is the rule for all expert testimony in all cases. It's not a hard standard to meet; it only requires that the testimony be based on replicable work instead of the voices in the witness' head. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ : Daubert is the rule for all expert testimony in all cases. : It's not a hard standard to meet; it only requires that the : testimony be based on replicable work instead of the voices : in the witness' head. Has the use of fingerprinting been challenged in court lately, given that it probably can't meet that standard? ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "French bread makes very good skis" > : Daubert is the rule for all expert testimony in all cases. > : It's not a hard standard to meet; it only requires that the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Has the use of fingerprinting been challenged in court lately, given > that it probably can't meet that standard? I'm not aware of any such challenges. How do you conclude that fingerprint evidence wouldn't meet Daubert? | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ >>: Daubert is the rule for all expert testimony in all cases. >>: It's not a hard standard to meet; it only requires that the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > How do you conclude that fingerprint evidence wouldn't meet > Daubert? http://www.fprints.nwlean.net/s2.htm  SignatureProud member since 2007, WWWSC #1 Ann/Emma Anne #4 >>> : Daubert is the rule for all expert testimony in all cases. >>> : It's not a hard standard to meet; it only requires that the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://www.fprints.nwlean.net/s2.htm Sorry, I hit "send" before I should have. I wouldn't claim to know a whole lot about the legalities of the use of fingerprint evidence at trials, but AFAIK, there are several court cases in the U.S. in which courts have excluded the use of fingerprint evidence after its scientific reliability was challenged. Since most criminal cases are prosecuted in local or state--and not federal--courts, most of the rulings have only limited applicability, and as of yet, haven't been widely adopted. You particularly might want to look at State vs. Rose which is discussed on the page above as well as a number of sites including: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/baltimore_county/bal-md.co.fingerprints21 feb21,0,95736.story SignatureProud member since 2007, WWWSC #1 Ann/Emma Anne #4 Daubert is NOT the subject. It is a diversion from the subject by the *gang* who as usual cannot stand the truth. > In message <4aaf6494-1495-4826-ba32-f47cbc473...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Daubert is the rule for all expert testimony in all cases. In the federal courts. State courts can choose to follow Daubert, or they follow Frye, which is similar. > It's not a hard standard to meet; it only requires that the > testimony be based on replicable work instead of the voices > in the witness' head. Or the emptiness of the "experts" bank account. Remember, the "experts" for the claimant's are paid regardless of who wins. Coming up with unsupported blather, like Geier, et al does, is a cash crop. ATLANTA, May 19, 2008 Findings released Friday showed that infant monkeys given vaccines officially recommended by the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) exhibited autism-like symptoms. Lead investigator Laura Hewitson of the University of Pittsburgh and colleagues presented study results at the International Meeting for Autism Research (IMFAR) in London. Safety studies of medicines are typically conducted in monkeys prior to use in humans, yet such basic research on the current childhood vaccination regimen has never before been done. The abstracts presented at IMFAR, the world's top autism science conference, describe biological changes and altered behavior in vaccinated macaques that are similar to those observed in children with autism. Unvaccinated animals showed no such adverse outcomes. The vaccines given were those recommended for U.S. infants in the 1990s, including several with the mercury preservative thimerosal and the Measles-Mumps-Rubella vaccine. Rates of autism spectrum disorder among children born in the 1990s surged dramatically, from about 1 in 5,000 to 1 in 150 children. "This research underscores the critical need for more investigation into immunizations, mercury, and the alterations seen in autistic children," stated Lyn Redwood, director of SafeMinds. "SafeMinds calls for large scale, unbiased studies that look at medical conditions associated with autism and the effects of vaccines given as a regimen." The group's request for research echoes that of Dr. Bernadine Healy, Former NIH Director, in a CBS interview earlier this week. She asserted that public health officials have been too quick to dismiss an autism-vaccine connection when the research has been insufficient. The government recently conceded a federal vaccine court case which agreed that a child regressed into autism as a result of 9 vaccines given on one day. "The full implications of this primate study await publication of the research in a scientific journal," noted Theresa Wrangham, president of SafeMinds. "But we can say that it demonstrates how the CDC evaded their responsibility to investigate vaccine safety questions. Vaccine safety oversight should be removed from the CDC and given to an independent agency." More information about SafeMinds (including neurodevelopmental disorders, autism and mercury exposure) may be found at www.safeminds.org http://www.sunherald.com/447/story/569713.html Daubert is a diversion from the subject. > I think parents should sue not only Pharma, But also the American > Academy of Pediatrics for pushing these harmful UNTESTED vaccines. The vaccines are tested. No question. Read this: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=100 If the big words stump you, use a dictionary. > > Infant Vaccines Produce Autism Symptoms in New Primate Study by > > University of Pittsburgh Scientists [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > If the big words stump you, use a dictionary. Humor me... > > I think parents should sue not only Pharma, But also the American > > Academy of Pediatrics for pushing these harmful UNTESTED vaccines. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > > If the big words stump you, use a dictionary. > > Humor me... Start reading. > > > I think parents should sue not only Pharma, But also the American > > > Academy of Pediatrics for pushing these harmful UNTESTED vaccines. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > - Show quoted text - On May 21, 9:26 pm, Kevysmom <bluebun...@gmail.com> wrote: > > If the big words stump you, use a dictionary. > > Humor me... >>Start reading. Stop when you see anything from Orac. > > > If the big words stump you, use a dictionary. > > > Humor me... > > Start reading. Droll! > > > If the big words stump you, use a dictionary. > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > - Show quoted text - <snippo> See the name David Gorski . Read no further, that is Orac, who is a proven liar ,and Mark S Probert's buddy who lies for Mark S Probert, Merrick, NY. On May 21, 10:51 am, Kevysmom <bluebun...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think parents should sue not only Pharma, But also the American > Academy of Pediatrics for pushing these harmful UNTESTED vaccines. > > ATLANTA, May 19 --Findings released Friday showed that infant monkeys > > given vaccines officially recommended by the CDC and the American [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > research on the current childhood vaccination regimen has never before > > been done. http://www.sunherald.com/447/story/569713.html >Infant Vaccines Produce Autism Symptoms in New Primate Study by >University of Pittsburgh Scientists [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >http://www.sunherald.com/447/story/569713.html For a nice discussion of why Hewitson's work need not be considered the last word on the subject, see http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/05/some_monkey_business_in_autism_research.php (Not you, Donna. There's not a chance in hell you'd understand Orac's blog.) -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan "David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> posted more of Orac. Orac nose nuttin. > > Kevysmom <bluebunny8@gmail.com> wrote: >>Infant Vaccines Produce Autism Symptoms in New Primate Study by [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>research on the current childhood vaccination regimen has never before >>been done. http://www.sunherald.com/447/story/569713.html > -- David Wright > Infant Vaccines Produce Autism Symptoms in New Primate Study by > University of Pittsburgh Scientists [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://www.sunherald.com/447/story/569713.html Thirteen subjects, three controls, one control and five subjects removed for unspecified reasons, behavioral outcomes, no blinding, some very selective reporting on gene expression with much lower thresholds than usual for gene expression panels, a very rigorous program of testing on the animals. The most amazing thing to me is that the University approved the use of primates for it. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ |
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